NationStates Jolt Archive


It's The Final Countdown

Ifreann
13-05-2008, 23:31
In just over 24 hours (http://www.lhcountdown.com/) CERN scientists and technicians will be activating the large hadron collider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_hadron_collider).

To quote the wiki(for it knows all): "Concerns have been raised that performing collisions at previously unexplored energies might unleash new and disastrous phenomena. These include the production of micro black holes, and strangelets, potentially resulting in a doomsday scenario."

So it is more likely than usual that the world will end in roughly 24 hours.

You may all panic now :)
Neu Leonstein
13-05-2008, 23:45
I expect it to be a bit of an anti-climax. Only a few months in they'll have the machines working to the point that they start finding things of value to them.
Ifreann
13-05-2008, 23:46
I expect it to be a bit of an anti-climax. Only a few months in they'll have the machines working to the point that they start finding things of value to them.

This kind of talk isn't at all conducive to a rioting atmosphere.
Lunatic Goofballs
13-05-2008, 23:49
I for one welcome our new exotic particle overlords. *nod*
Newer Burmecia
13-05-2008, 23:49
*Plays music*
Conserative Morality
13-05-2008, 23:51
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! *Runs into a telephone pole*:)
Kamsaki-Myu
13-05-2008, 23:53
God, that'd be nice. It'd get me out of this dissertation deadline, for a start. :p
Sarkhaan
13-05-2008, 23:57
They need a different name than "hadron". I keep reading it as "hardon", which seems quite unpleasant
Pure Metal
13-05-2008, 23:59
get looting everybody!!

They need a different name than "hadron". I keep reading it as "hardon", which seems quite unpleasant

not the only one dude, and the thought of colliding them seems..... weird.... ;)
1010102
14-05-2008, 00:03
If it does destroy the Earth, atleast I won't be drafted when China freaks out and attacks Taiwon.
New Malachite Square
14-05-2008, 00:04
To quote the wiki(for it knows all): "Concerns have been raised that performing collisions at previously unexplored energies might unleash new and disastrous phenomena. These include the production of micro black holes, and strangelets, potentially resulting in a doomsday scenario."

I don't know what a strangelet is, and I don't what to bother finding out.
But I'm pretty sure micro black holes radiate off all their matter close to instantly, so no big worries there.

They need a different name than "hadron". I keep reading it as "hardon", which seems quite unpleasant

Physicists need to find their grants somewhere, and the gay porn industry is as good as anything else.
Potarius
14-05-2008, 00:04
not the only one dude, and the thought of colliding them seems..... weird.... ;)

Now that's the kind of stick fighting I don't want to be a part of.
Londim
14-05-2008, 00:05
It's my flatmates 20th birthday on this day. She will not be happy if it is ended by a black hole.
Gelgisith
14-05-2008, 00:13
So it is more likely than usual that the world will end in roughly 24 hours.

Yeah, about 1 in 1billion+1*, in stead of the usual 1 in 1billion*...forgive me for not panicking.

*Numbers plucked out of thin air, meant only to illustrate the principle.
Neo Art
14-05-2008, 00:16
Yeah, about 1 in 1billion+1*, in stead of the usual 1 in 1billion*...forgive me for not panicking.

*Numbers plucked out of thin air, meant only to illustrate the principle.

nitpick

actually, odds that are 1 in 1 billion and one is in fact less likely than 1 in 1 billion.

/nitpick
New Malachite Square
14-05-2008, 00:18
It's my flatmates 20th birthday on this day. She will not be happy if it is ended by a black hole.

They say the best gifts don't come in packages…
Ashmoria
14-05-2008, 00:22
hmmm one day left to live.

how will i spend it?

on nsg as usual.
New Malachite Square
14-05-2008, 00:24
nitpick
/nitpick

Tell me, do any of your clients ever get let off on technicalities? :p
Gelgisith
14-05-2008, 00:30
nitpick

actually, odds that are 1 in 1 billion and one is in fact less likely than 1 in 1 billion.

/nitpick

Meh, same difference.
The South Islands
14-05-2008, 00:34
Shall we loot now or loot later? I hear the GTPC just baked some fresh blueberry pue. We should invite LG.
Vetalia
14-05-2008, 00:34
I've got my Dr. Breen outfit on standby just in case things go wrong. Don't worry, Earth, I've got you covered when it comes to the Combine.
Grave_n_idle
14-05-2008, 00:35
In just over 24 hours (http://www.lhcountdown.com/) CERN scientists and technicians will be activating the large hadron collider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_hadron_collider).

To quote the wiki(for it knows all): "Concerns have been raised that performing collisions at previously unexplored energies might unleash new and disastrous phenomena. These include the production of micro black holes, and strangelets, potentially resulting in a doomsday scenario."

So it is more likely than usual that the world will end in roughly 24 hours.

You may all panic now :)

Just because: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4VMDxSyLAU
Knights of Liberty
14-05-2008, 00:35
*goes streaking*


*gets arrested*


Ok, well my court date is in a month, so now Im counting on the world ending in 24 hours:p
Grave_n_idle
14-05-2008, 00:35
Shall we loot now or loot later? I hear the GTPC just baked some fresh blueberry pue. We should invite LG.

Blueberry pue? That sounds... unpleasant.
The South Islands
14-05-2008, 00:38
Blueberry pue? That sounds... unpleasant.

Thy spelling, it hast abandoned me to the forest wolves of nonenglishissness.
New Malachite Square
14-05-2008, 00:39
Ok, well my court date is in a month, so now Im counting on the world ending in 24 hours:p

Taking your date to a fancy restaurant or an ice cream parlour is considered more traditional…
Grave_n_idle
14-05-2008, 00:43
Thy spelling, it hast abandoned me to the forest wolves of nonenglishissness.

Good. A badly spelled pie is (in my opinion, at least) vastly preferable to a dish of blueberry pue.

:)
Jello Biafra
14-05-2008, 00:48
Meh. Lemme know if they figure out how to alter time.
Call to power
14-05-2008, 01:09
is it just me or does mankind have a smashing fetish?

God, that'd be nice. It'd get me out of this dissertation deadline, for a start. :p

It's my flatmates 20th birthday on this day. She will not be happy if it is ended by a black hole.

well I have a big test coming Friday so I think we can all agree the world should end
Muravyets
14-05-2008, 01:33
Does this mean that one of the worst scifi series ever made -- "Lexx" -- has just become prophetic? In the last season of that show, the aliens came to Earth and were desperate to get off it again because they found it was a type 13 planet and all type 13 planets get destroyed when physicists try to prove the mass of the Higgs boson, causing black hole events which in turn cause the planet to collapse into an object about the size of a pea. I hate it when sucky shows predict the future. :(
Barringtonia
14-05-2008, 02:11
Nothing happening at CERN is any more powerful than happens every day with radiation from the sun hitting the earth. Since the world doesn't end every day, it's unlikely to at CERN.

Many scientists are actually hoping they don't find Higgs-Boson, they'd rather be faced with having to rewrite all their theories because that's what scientists are like - nutters.

Stephen Hawking has even laid GBP100 on not finding Higgs-Boson.

Yes, I watched BBC Hard Talk last night.
greed and death
14-05-2008, 02:41
I say we riot now, we riot hard and we riot long.

also i am going to try the hey baby the world might end tomorrow routine in hopes of it working and getting laid.
though maybe only with physics nerds.


though really wish they hadn't cut funding for the Superconducting Super Collider
Nobel Hobos
14-05-2008, 02:44
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! *Runs into a telephone pole*:headbang:

Fixed.
UpwardThrust
14-05-2008, 03:02
Just because: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4VMDxSyLAU

I am more a fan of the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZkllM8znx4
Bellania
14-05-2008, 03:10
I am more a fan of the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZkllM8znx4

I forgot how awful 80s hair was.
Nobel Hobos
14-05-2008, 03:20
Many scientists are actually hoping they don't find Higgs-Boson, they'd rather be faced with having to rewrite all their theories because that's what scientists are like - nutters.

Have a little respect there. Physicists aren't just ordinary nutters, they're top percentile nutters.

Something to do with "using their nut" perhaps. It's a walnut. *nod*
Kyronea
14-05-2008, 03:38
Nothing happening at CERN is any more powerful than happens every day with radiation from the sun hitting the earth. Since the world doesn't end every day, it's unlikely to at CERN.

Many scientists are actually hoping they don't find Higgs-Boson, they'd rather be faced with having to rewrite all their theories because that's what scientists are like - nutters.

Stephen Hawking has even laid GBP100 on not finding Higgs-Boson.

Yes, I watched BBC Hard Talk last night.

I'll take that bet. Stephen Hawking, you're gonna owe me one hundred pounds here pretty soon. :D
Greater Trostia
14-05-2008, 04:06
Nothing happening at CERN is any more powerful than happens every day with radiation from the sun hitting the earth.

Erm, yes. I'm pretty sure that solar radiation hitting the surface isn't the same as slamming together protons. The power involved isn't quite the issue. I mean a nuclear fusion bomb doesn't have more power than the sunlight hitting the earth either.
Barringtonia
14-05-2008, 04:14
Erm, yes. I'm pretty sure that solar radiation hitting the surface isn't the same as slamming together protons. The power involved isn't quite the issue. I mean a nuclear fusion bomb doesn't have more power than the sunlight hitting the earth either.

Can't say I'm sure either but that's what the scientist who's involved in the project at a high level said so I hope he's not wrong, perhaps you should email him?

The difference is that they can measure and observe it - protons are slammed together all the time.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-05-2008, 04:20
Shall we loot now or loot later? I hear the GTPC just baked some fresh blueberry pue. We should invite LG.

Blueberry pue? That sounds... unpleasant.

Mmm... blueberry pue...
Marrakech II
14-05-2008, 04:27
It's my flatmates 20th birthday on this day. She will not be happy if it is ended by a black hole.

Would be one hell of a birthday party though.
greed and death
14-05-2008, 04:56
So it is agreed riot/loot now apologizes later if we are still alive.


though already started looting. I stole something called a singularity suppressor from this particle accelerator in Switzerland. I don't they will miss it.
Barringtonia
14-05-2008, 04:58
So it is agreed riot/loot now apologizes later if we are still alive.


though already started looting. I stole something called a singularity suppressor from this particle accelerator in Switzerland. I don't they will miss it.

Don't worry, it's a fake, I stole the real one months ago and if they haven't noticed it by now it can't be that important.
greed and death
14-05-2008, 05:09
Don't worry, it's a fake, I stole the real one months ago and if they haven't noticed it by now it can't be that important.

though i read somewhere that if it did make a black hole it would only destroy France and Switzerland before fizzling out. so nothing of value lost.
South Lizasauria
14-05-2008, 05:20
Awwww.... I have unfinished business...goals to reach, potential and not to mention scores of unsettled scores. :( DAMN! These eggheads better not wipe out earth. :mad:


It's the end of the world as you know it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmBDgAcIt-0)
Tmutarakhan
14-05-2008, 05:30
I don't know what a strangelet is, and I don't what to bother finding out.
But I'm pretty sure micro black holes radiate off all their matter close to instantly, so no big worries there.
That's Stephen Hawkings' theory, but there is a hole in it. Every elementary particle, like a proton or a neutron, is among other things a "micro-black hole" but does not radiate off all its energy at once; a proton can't, because it has an electric charge it can't get rid of, but could in theory radiate everything away except a positron's mass, except that for whatever reason, the "baryon number" must be preserved, and therefore a "baryon" like a proton or a neutron is not allowed to decay. However, if the baryon number cannot be decreased even by one, how can the baryon number be decreased by some huge amount, as supposedly happens when several baryons are crunched into a black hole and then radiate everything away?

I have a non-standard particle theory (probably rubbish) under which a "strangelet" and a "micro black hole" are the same thing; the term I came up with when I worked on this stuff ages ago (before drifting off into other interests) was "gargantuon". A gargantuon is a single elementary particle with a large baryon number (about 10^38 in the case of an ordinary black hole from stellar collapse), which should acquire a large strangeness number as it decays toward its ground-state rest-mass, which is not zero as in the Hawkings model but at least 30% less than the total of the rest-masses of the protons and neutrons it consumed. Most matter in the universe is already converted into this state by high-energy cosmic ray collisions, ordinary black-hole formations, and super black holes ("quasars") from galactic-scale collapses. This dark matter, however, does not interact much at all with ordinary (single-baryonic) matter as there is a strong-force repulsion.

Therefore, if CERN does make one of these things, if anything remotely like my model is correct, it should not fall into the center of the Earth and eat the planet, but rather should bounce around, eating some nuclei if it smacks them with enough kinetic energy to overcome the repulsion, but in the end flying out from the Earth. The energy release before the planet expels the thing might conceivably exceed an H-bomb explosion, doing a lot of damage to Geneva, but would not threaten the planet.
Zilam
14-05-2008, 06:03
Well, i am still alive.
Zilam
14-05-2008, 06:04
Oops
never mind that last comment

It will happen tomorrow! D'oh
JuNii
14-05-2008, 06:09
They need a different name than "hadron". I keep reading it as "hardon", which seems quite unpleasant

glad I wasn't the only one. :p


and I'm just... well... I can't seem to find the energy to panic. I mean... considering the location... ok, I feel a twinge of concern for the NSG'ers in England, Germany and Spain... but... yeah... that's about it...
Tmutarakhan
14-05-2008, 06:25
really wish they hadn't cut funding for the Superconducting Super Collider
Yeah, if we're going to blow up a chunk of the planet, I would rather it be in Texas!
greed and death
14-05-2008, 06:28
Awwww.... I have unfinished business...goals to reach, potential and not to mention scores of unsettled scores. :( DAMN! These eggheads better not wipe out earth. :mad:


It's the end of the world as you know it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmBDgAcIt-0)

shut up you hippie you were never getting anywhere in the world now go through yourself in the black that used to be France.
JuNii
14-05-2008, 06:28
It's my flatmates 20th birthday on this day. She will not be happy if it is ended by a black hole.
yeah, that would REEEEEALLY suck. :(
Christmahanukwanzikah
14-05-2008, 07:25
When I first read the OP, I totally thought that Iffy was talking about a hardon collider. As a matter of fact, I was wrong.

Congrats, Ifreann... I've been had. :P
The Brevious
14-05-2008, 07:53
They need a different name than "hadron". I keep reading it as "hardon", which seems quite unpleasant

Pure Metal has a great quote about this ... but what again was so unpleasant about "hardon"?
The Brevious
14-05-2008, 07:54
When I first read the OP, I totally thought that Iffy was talking about a hardon collider. As a matter of fact, I was wrong.

Congrats, Ifreann... I've been had. :P

Ifreann had you, then, in a thread about hardons?
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
14-05-2008, 07:58
It'll be the end of the world, I say. Remember what happened when Man first broke the sound barrier? That's right: total annihilation. Same thing.
Nobel Hobos
14-05-2008, 08:23
*non-standard particle theory*

Therefore, if CERN does make one of these things, if anything remotely like my model is correct, it should not fall into the center of the Earth and eat the planet, but rather should bounce around, eating some nuclei if it smacks them with enough kinetic energy to overcome the repulsion, but in the end flying out from the Earth. The energy release before the planet expels the thing might conceivably exceed an H-bomb explosion, doing a lot of damage to Geneva, but would not threaten the planet.

It would bounce off nuclei? Maybe the first few times.

Why do you see it picking up speed? If it has escape velocity at the time it's produced, it will leave. Perhaps a bit more than that, if it has to go through the planet on the way.
Andaras
14-05-2008, 08:43
Oh yeah, I saw a documentary on this a week or so ago, called 'The six billion dollar experiment', it seems really interesting. They say it's supposed to recreate the conditions just after the Big Bang on a controlled scale or something, seems cool.

If it like creates a interstellar teleport and the whole facility becomes infested with aliens I think Valve Software could sue for copyright;)
New Drakonia
14-05-2008, 09:54
Prepare for unforeseen consequences.
Extreme Ironing
14-05-2008, 09:56
Prepare for unforeseen consequences.

Win.

*mindless hysteria*
Hamilay
14-05-2008, 10:11
Win.

*mindless hysteria*

I second this win.
Risottia
14-05-2008, 10:24
That's Stephen Hawkings' theory, but there is a hole in it. Every elementary particle, like a proton or a neutron, is among other things a "micro-black hole" but does not radiate off all its energy at once; a proton can't, because it has an electric charge it can't get rid of, but could in theory radiate everything away except a positron's mass, except that for whatever reason, the "baryon number" must be preserved, and therefore a "baryon" like a proton or a neutron is not allowed to decay. However, if the baryon number cannot be decreased even by one, how can the baryon number be decreased by some huge amount, as supposedly happens when several baryons are crunched into a black hole and then radiate everything away?

You are forgetting that at LHC energies, we are approaching the unification of the electroweak interaction with the strong interaction, so baryon number conservation can be violated.


Therefore, if CERN does make one of these things, if anything remotely like my model is correct, it should not fall into the center of the Earth and eat the planet, but rather should bounce around, eating some nuclei if it smacks them with enough kinetic energy to overcome the repulsion, but in the end flying out from the Earth. The energy release before the planet expels the thing might conceivably exceed an H-bomb explosion, doing a lot of damage to Geneva, but would not threaten the planet.

The kinetic energy involved in every collision is around 14 TeV (the rest masses of the particles involved are in the MeV order so they can be discounted). Since 1 eV = 0.16 aJ (attojoule), we have (14*10^12) * (0.16*10^-18) J = (1.4*10^13) * (1.6 * 10^-19) J = around 0.9 * 10^-6 J (one microjoule).

Since one ton of TNT equivalent is around 4 gigajoule (4*10^9 J), a totally energetic release would yield about 0.25 * 10^-15 tons of TNT equivalent. That is, the energy of the detonation of 0.25 nanograms of TNT.

I'd say that 0.25 nanograms of TNT would not even endanger a feather.
Londim
14-05-2008, 11:15
I would go looting now but I'd have to get the bus and paying to go looting just doesn't feel right.
Risottia
14-05-2008, 11:17
I would go looting now but I'd have to get the bus and paying to go looting just doesn't feel right.

Loot the bus.
Londim
14-05-2008, 11:21
Loot the bus.

Yes! I'd steal their first aid kit!
Cameroi
14-05-2008, 11:42
so, another big high energy particle accelerator is being brought on line. i'm cool with that. what's the big deal?

maybe this one will show us how to make fusion generators or ftl starships or something.

i very much doubt it will tear appart the fabric of space, or anything big deal doombsday as that. our first use of high energy physics have been to kill a lot of people was pretty dumb to have been our first actual use of it, but that doesn't make learning more about how the universe actually works some how automatically a bad thing.

it isn't automatically a good OR bad thing. that depends entirely upon our values that togather determine, like with everything else, what we actually do with it.

=^^=
.../\...
Nipeng
14-05-2008, 12:00
also i am going to try the hey baby the world might end tomorrow routine in hopes of it working and getting laid.
though maybe only with physics nerds.
Good luck, you're gonna need it. And lots, because the first collisions in LHC are planned for mid-September. First beam injection, mid-July. They just finished the assembly and are starting to cool the thing.
Naturality
14-05-2008, 12:06
It's sooooo unlikely that they will actually do anything.
The blessed Chris
14-05-2008, 12:11
I'd just like to congratulate the OP on getting that bloody song in my head. Thank you very much.

Personally, I prefer to stew in scientific ignorance and continue to read history books. It's easier that way.
Nipeng
14-05-2008, 12:29
I'd just like to congratulate the OP on getting that bloody song in my head. Thank you very much.
To scrub my ears I used this:
http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/mountain-dreadnought/
Nothing like new music to wash away the old. There's plenty of virtually unknown bands there.
Londim
14-05-2008, 13:15
The looting will all be to waste I feel:





The countdown timer was set to the 15th of May because there was no definite time given for the actual activation, recent events show that CERN wont be dividing by zero until much later on in the year, so now the countdown timer will be reset again and will be continually tweaked to go by the latest info that CERN are releasing.

So sorry to disappoint you all, but you wont be dying tomorrow.


http://www.lhcountdown.com/

No black holes today then.
Svalbardania
14-05-2008, 13:23
*sings* da da deeee dooooooooooooo, da da de de doooooo, da da deee dooooooo, da da de de do de dooo...


I love that song. Its so... 80's.
Deus Malum
14-05-2008, 13:24
So we've got, what, 10 more hours?

Anyone up for an Apocalypse Party? :D
Lunatic Goofballs
14-05-2008, 13:27
That's Stephen Hawkings' theory, but there is a hole in it. Every elementary particle, like a proton or a neutron, is among other things a "micro-black hole" but does not radiate off all its energy at once; a proton can't, because it has an electric charge it can't get rid of, but could in theory radiate everything away except a positron's mass, except that for whatever reason, the "baryon number" must be preserved, and therefore a "baryon" like a proton or a neutron is not allowed to decay. However, if the baryon number cannot be decreased even by one, how can the baryon number be decreased by some huge amount, as supposedly happens when several baryons are crunched into a black hole and then radiate everything away?

I have a non-standard particle theory (probably rubbish) under which a "strangelet" and a "micro black hole" are the same thing; the term I came up with when I worked on this stuff ages ago (before drifting off into other interests) was "gargantuon". A gargantuon is a single elementary particle with a large baryon number (about 10^38 in the case of an ordinary black hole from stellar collapse), which should acquire a large strangeness number as it decays toward its ground-state rest-mass, which is not zero as in the Hawkings model but at least 30% less than the total of the rest-masses of the protons and neutrons it consumed. Most matter in the universe is already converted into this state by high-energy cosmic ray collisions, ordinary black-hole formations, and super black holes ("quasars") from galactic-scale collapses. This dark matter, however, does not interact much at all with ordinary (single-baryonic) matter as there is a strong-force repulsion.

Therefore, if CERN does make one of these things, if anything remotely like my model is correct, it should not fall into the center of the Earth and eat the planet, but rather should bounce around, eating some nuclei if it smacks them with enough kinetic energy to overcome the repulsion, but in the end flying out from the Earth. The energy release before the planet expels the thing might conceivably exceed an H-bomb explosion, doing a lot of damage to Geneva, but would not threaten the planet.

Like a hyperactive child. :)
Lunatic Goofballs
14-05-2008, 13:29
Pure Metal has a great quote about this ... but what again was so unpleasant about "hardon"?

It's not so much 'hardon', as 'large hardon collider' that sounds quite violent.
Lunatic Goofballs
14-05-2008, 13:31
You are forgetting that at LHC energies, we are approaching the unification of the electroweak interaction with the strong interaction, so baryon number conservation can be violated.



The kinetic energy involved in every collision is around 14 TeV (the rest masses of the particles involved are in the MeV order so they can be discounted). Since 1 eV = 0.16 aJ (attojoule), we have (14*10^12) * (0.16*10^-18) J = (1.4*10^13) * (1.6 * 10^-19) J = around 0.9 * 10^-6 J (one microjoule).

Since one ton of TNT equivalent is around 4 gigajoule (4*10^9 J), a totally energetic release would yield about 0.25 * 10^-15 tons of TNT equivalent. That is, the energy of the detonation of 0.25 nanograms of TNT.

I'd say that 0.25 nanograms of TNT would not even endanger a feather.

Might make a good flea repellent. :p
greed and death
14-05-2008, 13:32
I would go looting now but I'd have to get the bus and paying to go looting just doesn't feel right.

1. get gun.
2. kick driver off the bus
3. steal the bus
4. drive bus to city
5. fill bus up with loot.
6. %#$%$%^%
7. don't drop the soap.
Risottia
14-05-2008, 13:33
I'd just like to congratulate the OP on getting that bloody song in my head. Thank you very much.


*whap!*

worship the Europe!
Risottia
14-05-2008, 13:34
It's not so much 'hardon', as 'large hardon collider' that sounds quite violent.

And also SOOO gay.
Tmutarakhan
14-05-2008, 14:34
It would bounce off nuclei? Maybe the first few times.

Why do you see it picking up speed? If it has escape velocity at the time it's produced, it will leave. Perhaps a bit more than that, if it has to go through the planet on the way.
Every time it smacks a nucleus it will bounce off in a different direction, with increased energy if it converts more of the nucleons into the strange-stuff (decreasing the rest-mass). However, I did some very sloppy back-of-the-envelope calculations, and a random-walking gargantuon really couldn't do more, worst-case (if the initial trajectory is straight down and its first bounce isn't until it's deep inside the Earth), than convert 10^7 nucleon-masses into energy before escaping the planet, which makes it about 10^-18 Hiroshima bombs. That is, on the "TNT" equivalence scale used for bombs, where a big H-bomb is in megatons, and Hiroshima was a dozen kilotons, and big WWII conventional bombs were 500 or 1000 pounds, this would be a microgram of TNT, not enough for a human even to feel.
Tmutarakhan
14-05-2008, 14:53
You are forgetting that at LHC energies, we are approaching the unification of the electroweak interaction with the strong interaction, so baryon number conservation can be violated.
I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. Electro and weak interactions do not violate baryon conservation, anymore than strong and weak interactions violate charge conservation (neither do electro or strong interactions violate the lepton count).
If your viewpoint were correct, however, that WOULD be the scenario in which France and Switzerland are destroyed, since 100% of the rest-mass would be in play.
The kinetic energy involved in every collision is around 14 TeV (the rest masses of the particles involved are in the MeV order so they can be discounted).
There are 6x10^23 of these particles in every gram, so no, you cannot discount that energy if you are going to put every bit in play: converting the first nucleon wholly into energy gives the flying pieces more than enough kinetic energy to smack into the next one and the next and the next.
Rambhutan
14-05-2008, 14:55
... that WOULD be the scenario in which France and Switzerland are destroyed...

Would anybody really miss Switzerland?
Tmutarakhan
14-05-2008, 14:59
I'd just like to congratulate the OP on getting that bloody song in my head. Thank you very much.
The song that thinking about the LHC always puts in my mind is Filter, "That's why I say, hey man NICE SHOT... good shot man..." I imagine the chain reaction going on during the screech-guitar.
Deus Malum
14-05-2008, 16:07
I'm partially hoping they don't find the Higgs, and this turns out to be a couple billion dollar paperweight.

I guess I just want an opportunity to stick it to String Theorists.
Gravlen
14-05-2008, 21:15
Aaaw man, no black hole tonight :(
New Drakonia
14-05-2008, 21:19
Would anybody really miss Switzerland?
Not anyone not present when it blows.
Mad hatters in jeans
14-05-2008, 21:21
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH, 2 hours left here.
why didn't you tell me before?
I swear if i die because of some stupid inquisitive physicist i'm gonna kill them! arrr. I don't care if that doesn't make sense, i transcend all reason and meaning why i'm angry!
and just in case you didn't quite hear my fear through your computer screen,
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhh.
Trollgaard
14-05-2008, 21:29
I really hope they find nothing, and that a black hole isn't formed.

It'd be hilarious if they spent all this time and money and found nothing.
Deus Malum
14-05-2008, 21:33
I really hope they find nothing, and that a black hole isn't formed.

It'd be hilarious if they spent all this time and money and found nothing.

I'd pay to see the look on Brian Green's face.
Mad hatters in jeans
14-05-2008, 21:45
oh and one more thing. i thought i'd add the music if you're interested.
linky. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZkllM8znx4)
Yootopia
14-05-2008, 21:49
oh and one more thing. i thought i'd add the music if you're interested.
linky. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZkllM8znx4)
Pfft.

I'd personally prefer this (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AbJkCj8-Io4&feature=related) instead. Although the video is terrible.
Anadyr Islands
14-05-2008, 21:57
"...Like a thief in the night." :)

3 minutes and counting. I'm playing the song by Europe. May as well go out in style :p
Nerotika
14-05-2008, 21:57
In just over 24 hours (http://www.lhcountdown.com/) CERN scientists and technicians will be activating the large hadron collider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_hadron_collider).

To quote the wiki(for it knows all): "Concerns have been raised that performing collisions at previously unexplored energies might unleash new and disastrous phenomena. These include the production of micro black holes, and strangelets, potentially resulting in a doomsday scenario."

So it is more likely than usual that the world will end in roughly 24 hours.

You may all panic now :)

ummm...I feel quite fine actually. No, nothing on this end...although I did see some crazy things ealier (Fat Black dude running in bright yellow short shorts...creepy, not that he's black but that does add a figure where as a white guy would just be wrong)
Anadyr Islands
14-05-2008, 21:59
10 seconds, guys... :(
Nerotika
14-05-2008, 22:00
So sorry to disappoint you all, but you wont be dying tomorrow.

Oh cause that gives me some confidence.
Anadyr Islands
14-05-2008, 22:01
Damn it, nothing's happened yet :mad:
New Limacon
14-05-2008, 22:03
The physicists have a pretty good racket going here. "We need six billion dollars to find these particles that no one can see without the machine we're going to build." Then, after they build it, "Where are the particles? Shoot, we just smashed them and now they're all gone. Sorry." Mighty suspicious, if you ask me.
Mad hatters in jeans
14-05-2008, 22:14
Damn it, nothing's happened yet :mad:

The countdown timer was set to the 15th of May because there was no definite time given for the actual activation, recent events show that CERN wont be dividing by zero until much later on in the year, so now the countdown timer will be reset again and will be continually tweaked to go by the latest info that CERN are releasing.

So sorry to disappoint you all, but you wont be dying tomorrow.
yeah, that and the timer also shows different times for different countries, which just adds to the confusion.
i guess the world ain't gonna end today sadly, i guess i'll have to sit my exams after all.
Nerotika
14-05-2008, 22:28
yeah, that and the timer also shows different times for different countries, which just adds to the confusion.
i guess the world ain't gonna end today sadly, i guess i'll have to sit my exams after all.

aw now that sucks...bomb threats work nicely to stop some exams :p
Ifreann
14-05-2008, 22:55
Clearly we have all been crushed in the black hole and transported to another universe somehow. Maybe a wizard did it.
Mad hatters in jeans
14-05-2008, 22:59
Clearly we have all been crushed in the black hole and transported to another universe somehow. Maybe a wizard did it.

the band wizard or an actual wizard?
I don't think i could stand that christmas song for long to be honest.
( the timer is still going for 1 hour here, don't know about you)
Ifreann
14-05-2008, 23:03
the band wizard or an actual wizard?
I don't think i could stand that christmas song for long to be honest.
( the timer is still going for 1 hour here, don't know about you)

Actual wizard. And I get a 404 :(
New Limacon
14-05-2008, 23:04
Actual wizard. And I get a 404 :(

As do I. I think the LHC black holed itself out of existence, and took its website with it.
Ifreann
14-05-2008, 23:06
As do I. I think the LHC black holed itself out of existence, and took its website with it.

This makes sense. Switzerland probably got pwned.
Skalvia
14-05-2008, 23:10
Finally...The Universe sucks anyway...

Its about damn time we found a way to destroy it...
Deus Malum
14-05-2008, 23:13
Do you have a source for that? Cuz I've been hearing different times for different time zones.

Also: interesting documentary on the LHC (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)
Mad hatters in jeans
14-05-2008, 23:16
Do you have a source for that? Cuz I've been hearing different times for different time zones.

Also: interesting documentary on the LHC (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)

for me it's set to midnight, and Godamn you for that. you.will.PAY!:D
so the end of the world is still a possibility for me, i guess you folks who don't have it are in the black hole already.
yeah that has to be it.
Xocotl Constellation
14-05-2008, 23:16
Finally...The Universe sucks anyway...

Its about damn time we found a way to destroy it...

I'm with you. Let it end.
Deus Malum
14-05-2008, 23:20
for me it's set to midnight, and Godamn you for that. you.will.PAY!:D
so the end of the world is still a possibility for me, i guess you folks who don't have it are in the black hole already.
yeah that has to be it.

This suddenly makes me wonder what the time dilations would be as a function of distance from a black hole about the size that "could" be produced at the LHC. HA HA! I totally win.
Ifreann
14-05-2008, 23:26
Do you have a source for that? Cuz I've been hearing different times for different time zones.

Also: interesting documentary on the LHC (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)

uuiU detected, oh snap.
Xocotl Constellation
14-05-2008, 23:26
Wasn't there a Stargate episode like that?
Mad hatters in jeans
14-05-2008, 23:29
Wasn't there a Stargate episode like that?

I think every Stargate episode involves some deadly thing which if only a few individuals work together can stop, the few other billion people on earth are apparently not allowed to know either.
so yeah there's bound to be an episode like that.
I like the multitude of ways they've found of human race being destroyed by some random element.
Xocotl Constellation
14-05-2008, 23:45
Yup, found it. http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s2/216.shtml
Ifreann
15-05-2008, 00:36
Yeah, not really the same. The black holes that smush us will only be baby ones.
Tmutarakhan
15-05-2008, 06:01
I really hope they find nothing, and that a black hole isn't formed.

It'd be hilarious if they spent all this time and money and found nothing.
Yeah, but I still think checking whether the gas tank is empty by leaning into it with a lighted match is not a great idea.
Dadaist States
16-05-2008, 04:14
well it says we have 52 days 23hrs. 51 min. 14 secs to go...
anyway you should be more concerned with wars raging in the world and global climate change and traffic accidents and them teletubbies, than a few theoretical quantum thingies which may not exist OR are commonly created in supernovae, thermonuclear reactions, cosmic-rays collisions and whatever

OMIGOD!!!11! one of them teletubbies entered my room, oh the pain, THE PAIN!