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I've always been partial to batman, but after seeing Ironman he's now on my list.

Batman. The real, comic book batman too.

None. I'm an X-Fan.

My favorites:

The Shadow, my first love, really, and the standard for me.

Spiderman, even though my friend was afraid of him due to his creepy portrayal on The Electric Company, he was always cool. The smack talk early on was a draw, but eventually it was the complexity of a someone who couldn't get his life together trying to lead two of them out of a sense of duty, and the fact that he always questioned it.

Ghost Rider-first, I was young and a badass flaming skeleton on a chopper was awesome. But what really sold me was Johnny Blaze always got what he wanted out of the devil. He saved Crash from cancer by killing him in a stunt, when Johnny felt betrayed he wanted vengeance and he was fused with the spirit of vengeance. The more Blaze gave into vengeance, the more it took him over until, by the end of the series, he wasn't able to control it, it consumed him. This is probably the best problematizing of the superhero as it questions the very motives of it and how much that clouds the actions. All from a cheesy premise, not bad.

Silver Surfer- the hero that questioned whether or not we deserved to be saved, but did it anyway.

Daredevil-mostly because of Frank Miller's Born Again.

Iron Man (I know this seems generic since there was just a movie, but it's been a long held thing). The ultimate lemonade from lemons, takes a handicap and makes armor out of it. I really like, though, that his villians try things that almost work a second time. That always frustrates me, if a fluke saved the hero, fix the fluke and try again. Of course, since it was Iron Man, he'd have fixed his suit so it won't work, but still...

New Batman is interesting, depending strongly on the author.

I dug Powerman and Iron Fist, but don't remember why.

Mostly it's authors I like, they can make characters I wouldn't be into normally interesting. There are a few other characters I like but can't think of them right now.

None of the above.

I've always been a sucker for Gambit.

Gambit, Cyclops, Wolverine, Batman, The Punisher, and Ironman.

All better in their comic book forms other than Wolverine (Hugh Jackman is just the man) and Ironman (because Robert Downey Junior IS Tony Stark)

Goku, he can kick any of those other guy's asses.

Never specified where the hero had to come from, you =P

I do like Spider-Man; I understand the geekiness of Peter Parker.

I voted other.

My favorite superhero is:
CÁLICO ELECTRÓNICO

Errrrrr súper héroe de tod@s!!!

http://www.calicoelectronico.com/

I prefer the superheros from the Stormwatch and the Authority comics, if you never read them you should.

None on the list, a fan of the X-comics and of W.I.L.D. Cats

Tick--The Tick.

"MIGHTY BLUE JUSTICE!"

Superman. He's a reminder of what we no longer want to believe: that great power doesn't have to accompany great corruption, and that it is our choices, not our position, that mark us as great or weak.

Edit: And as a side note, The Tick has nothing on Stupendous Man.

None of the above.

I've always been a sucker for Gambit.

And how.

What's with the lack of female superheroes? Rogue is arguably the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe, no mention? I mean, she's really effing annoying, too, but...

/feminist rant

I used to read X-books as a kid and always loved Blink for some reason. Recently started reading Ex Machina and became a big fan of Hundred.

If I could be a superhero
I would be awesome man
I’d fly around the world fighting crime
According to my awesome plan
And if I saw criminals trying to lie
Hurting other people and making them cry
I’d haul them off to jail in my awesome van
‘Cause I would be Awesome Man

Deadpool..

Maybe not a "Hero" but..what the hell, he´s still amazing.
The humor, the repertoire....did i mention the humor?

What's with the lack of female superheroes? Rogue is arguably the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe, no mention? I mean, she's really effing annoying, too, but...

/feminist rant

I used to read X-books as a kid and always loved Blink for some reason. Recently started reading Ex Machina and became a big fan of Hundred.

lack of Female Heroes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femforce)?

as for me. I really have no favorite... I just hate
Capt. America
Superman (and all superman type characters including Hyperion, Capt Marvel, etc...)

er... that's about it...

Deadpool..

Maybe not a "Hero" but..what the hell, he´s still amazing.
The humor, the repertoire....did i mention the humor?


Yay! Another deadpool fan. That makes about five of us in total.

the best superhero is clearly the juggernaut! BITCH!

This guy:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Batmanlee.png

Followed by this guy:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Surfermovie3.jpg

WOman.

My favorite Superheroes are Thor, Captain America, Green Arrow, Hawkman, and Nova. (in that order...probably).

My favorite comic book characters, including heroes, anti heroes, and villains are Thor, Captain America, Sabertooth, and Black Adam.

I also really like Genis-Vell, which is Marvel's Captain Marvel's son, who also bore the name Captain Marvel. :eek:

as for me. I really have no favorite... I just hate
Capt. America
Superman (and all superman type characters including Hyperion, Capt Marvel, etc...)

er... that's about it...

Why the fuck do you hate Captain America and Superman?

Why the fuck do you hate Captain America and Superman?

Because Capt America is a pompous, egotistical ass.
He holds himself to be what every other superhero should be.
Anyone falls short is a failure in his eyes.
His treatment of Thunderstrike (a new superhero who never wanted to be a superhero) proves it.

Magneto would never put himself in the mercy of humans, yet when he willingly turned himself over to Captain America, (as a token of trust in Capt's Ideals) to be taken to a World Tribunal, the Honest Captain stated under oath, that Magneto never changed in his personality nor in his methods. rather blind of him.

Superman is too Deus Ex Machina. too powerful for the villans he fights.
think about it.
(sorry, old rant)
When Superman first appeared. he was strong and hard to hurt. not invulerable, just hard to hurt.
Remember: Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to LEAP tall buildings in a single bound...
leap. not fly... leap.
he had telescopic vision and hearing but that was IT.
A large enough weapon would hurt him. Giant robots could hold their own against him. he was basically just strong.


Then he was updated in the 70's. He could fly, he had X-Ray vision, Heat Vision, Super COLD breath, a computer like mind and he became invulerable.
The ONLY things that could hurt him was Kryptonite and Magic. This presented a problem. he became too powerful. (and we are ignoring all the other superwhatevers that appeared... super baby, super boy, Super dog, Super Cat, Super Horse, Super whatever...)

so in the 80's they varied the kryptonite and the effects. Green weakened him, Red bypassed lead and had varied effects, Gold removes his powers permanently (I wonder how they found that out with supes) and made it more common. so now Metallo, a Kryptonite powered supervillan was born. this had the effect of making Superman weak since now every villan had a small chunk of Kryptonite with them. so they had to correct that. and how did they do it? they made Kryptonite poisonous to humans. and Lex Luthor, the one who created the Kryptonite Ring that Batman carries, dies from K-Poisioning.

so now it's back to square one. a super strong, super smart hero that only a magician or human with a death wish can take on.

Then they killed superman. with the Doomsday thing. :rolleyes: No, wait, they didn't kill him. They made him into a Walking Solar Battery! now he has to recharge by taking a sunbath. :rolleyes: oh and let's not forget he had to give up his super clothes (the invulerable ones he wore in the 60's - 80's) for something that always ends up torn in some way...

then in 2000 they restarted the superman hero. He's no longer has his 'super brain' he can still fly, is invulnerable, got all his vision and breath weapons, and still needs a recharge. but he's still only vulerable to Kryptonite and Magic.

so how did they correct that? they seeded the planet by breaking up a fucking HUGE Kryptonite meteor into little itty bitty pieces and scattered those pieces all over the globe. deja vu?

Superman and Captain America can be cancelled for all I fucking care.

Because Capt America is a pompous, egotistical ass.
He holds himself to be what every other superhero should be.
Anyone falls short is a failure in his eyes.
His treatment of Thunderstrike (a new superhero who never wanted to be a superhero) proves it.

Magneto would never put himself in the mercy of humans, yet when he willingly turned himself over to Captain America, (as a token of trust in Capt's Ideals) to be taken to a World Tribunal, the Honest Captain stated under oath, that Magneto never changed in his personality nor in his methods. rather blind of him.

Superman is too Deus Ex Machina. too powerful for the villans he fights.
think about it.
(sorry, old rant)
When Superman first appeared. he was strong and hard to hurt. not invulerable, just hard to hurt.
Remember: Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to LEAP tall buildings in a single bound...
leap. not fly... leap.
he had telescopic vision and hearing but that was IT.
A large enough weapon would hurt him. Giant robots could hold their own against him. he was basically just strong.


Then he was updated in the 70's. He could fly, he had X-Ray vision, Heat Vision, Super COLD breath, a computer like mind and he became invulerable.
The ONLY things that could hurt him was Kryptonite and Magic. This presented a problem. he became too powerful. (and we are ignoring all the other superwhatevers that appeared... super baby, super boy, Super dog, Super Cat, Super Horse, Super whatever...)

so in the 80's they varied the kryptonite and the effects. Green weakened him, Red bypassed lead and had varied effects, Gold removes his powers permanently (I wonder how they found that out with supes) and made it more common. so now Metallo, a Kryptonite powered supervillan was born. this had the effect of making Superman weak since now every villan had a small chunk of Kryptonite with them. so they had to correct that. and how did they do it? they made Kryptonite poisonous to humans. and Lex Luthor, the one who created the Kryptonite Ring that Batman carries, dies from K-Poisioning.

so now it's back to square one. a super strong, super smart hero that only a magician or human with a death wish can take on.

Then they killed superman. with the Doomsday thing. :rolleyes: No, wait, they didn't kill him. They made him into a Walking Solar Battery! now he has to recharge by taking a sunbath. :rolleyes: oh and let's not forget he had to give up his super clothes (the invulerable ones he wore in the 60's - 80's) for something that always ends up torn in some way...

then in 2000 they restarted the superman hero. He's no longer has his 'super brain' he can still fly, is invulnerable, got all his vision and breath weapons, and still needs a recharge. but he's still only vulerable to Kryptonite and Magic.

so how did they correct that? they seeded the planet by breaking up a fucking HUGE Kryptonite meteor into little itty bitty pieces and scattered those pieces all over the globe. deja vu?

Superman and Captain America can be cancelled for all I fucking care.


I can kinda agree with you about Superman.

But Captain America being an egotistical ass? Ha! Nonsense! Steve Rogers (Captain America) IS the hero of heroes. He is the hero that others want to emulate. He is a selfless hero, and you sir, ought to be ashamed of yourself for showing such disrespect!

Long live Captain America!

I need a Captain America t-shirt.

*searches online*

I can kinda agree with you about Superman.

But Captain America being an egotistical ass? Ha! Nonsense! Steve Rogers (Captain America) IS the hero of heroes. He is the hero that others want to emulate. He is a selfless hero, and you sir, ought to be ashamed of yourself for showing such disrespect!

Love live Captain America!

I need a Captain America t-shirt.

*searches online*

hope you find it. and btw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Son:_The_Death_of_Captain_America)...

whether or not the New Captain America will be different or the same remains to be seen.

hope you find it. and btw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Son:_The_Death_of_Captain_America)...

whether or not the New Captain America will be different or the same remains to be seen.

Oh, didn't you know Steve Rogers is back? Haven't you read the new Avengers vs Invaders comic?

The Invaders, Captain America's team in world war II, is transported the present in the Marvel Universe. In the first issue they completely trash the Thunderbolts.

So, nyah! Steve Rogers lives! In yo face!

:)

aw man, aquaman getting no love again?

Oh, didn't you know Steve Rogers is back? Haven't you read the new Avengers vs Invaders comic?

The Invaders, Captain America's team in world war II, is transported the present in the Marvel Universe. In the first issue they completely trash the Thunderbolts.

So, nyah! Steve Rogers lives! In yo face!

:)

Link please?

oh and so far, all sources say Steve Rogers is dead and will remain dead. so I doubt they would screw with continutiy by keeping an Invaders captain america in the present.

I like Iron Man, because he's a self-made hero. He wasn't born with powers, and he didn't get bit by a radioactive critter. He built his armor. Also, though he's a superhero, he's also a man with many flaws, both psychological and physical.

Link please?

oh and so far, all sources say Steve Rogers is dead and will remain dead. so I doubt they would screw with continutiy by keeping an Invaders captain america in the present.

Here's a link from marvel talking about it:
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1390.Avengers~slash~Invaders:_The_Return_Revealed

another link from marvel showing the cover, and a synopsis of the story:
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8652

woot woot!

Long live Cap!

aw man, aquaman getting no love again?

I prefer Namor to Aquaman. But I don't know too much about either, though.

Here's a link from marvel talking about it:
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1390.Avengers~slash~Invaders:_The_Return_Revealed

another link from marvel showing the cover, and a synopsis of the story:
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8652

woot woot!

Long live Cap!

nope, nothing to indicate that the Invader's Cap will stay in the present.

yet here (http://comics.ign.com/articles/826/826576p1.html)...
Fans might remember that Marvel teased Ross's return with the return of Captain America only to swerve that into debuting the Avengers/Invaders project. If only they knew how close that teaser really was! Ross will be responsible for designing the new Captain America costume, and will provide a variant cover for the debut issue. Captain America #34 is currently scheduled to arrive in stores on January 16, 2007.

With so many fans being somewhat jaded about characters dying and returning, we asked Brubaker if he was concerned that this new Captain America might in any way lessen the impact of the death of the original one. Is this too soon? "No. I am just telling a story. I'm not thinking of impact or fan reaction or anything outside the story at hand, really," said Brubaker. "I would think, though, that bringing in a new Cap might actually increase the impact that Steve Rogers death had, probably."

So the Hero called Captain America will return. but it won't be Steve Rogers. thus my post "whether or not the New Captain America will be different or the same remains to be seen. " is still valid.

As of right now There are two Captain Americas.

Steve Rogers of the invaders transported the present, and 'Bucky' Barnes, formerly known as Winter Soldier, and Steve Roger's old sidekick.

edit: Bucky has been the New Captain America for 3 issues now.

As of right now There are two Captain Americas.

Steve Rogers of the invaders transported the present, and 'Bucky' Barnes, formerly known as Winter Soldier, and Steve Roger's old sidekick.

edit: Bucky has been the New Captain America for 3 issues now.
which is why I said that the Invader's Cap is not staying. making that return more of a visit.

and Bucky is too new to the Mantle for me to make any judgement on him. hence the "he might be different or the same."

So perhaps I should clarify... I hate Captain (Steve Rogers) America and Superman (and his clones)

On the American side, Superman, Batman, Thunderstrike, and Death.

Superman for being the first of the superheros and the ideal one (Being a dick not withstanding ;) ). Yes, he IS too perfect and in terms of story telling, he fails miserably; but in terms of being a hero, the kind that you need and want as a boy, he IS the gold standard.

Batman for just being a bad ass. He's the goddamn Batman, what else do you need or want? :D

Thunderstrike for being the most human of heroes. Worried about his kid, wondering about how heroes deal with insurance issues, and there as an everyman hero because the world still needs them.

And Death: Well, I'm not sure if she counts as a superhero or not, but you've got to love her, her floppy hat collection, and any incarnation of the final mortality that likes to watch Marry Poppins and make fun of Dick Van Dike's horrible accent.

On the American side, Superman, Batman, Thunderstrike, and Death.

Superman for being the first of the superheros and the ideal one (Being a dick not withstanding ;) ). Yes, he IS too perfect and in terms of story telling, he fails miserably; but in terms of being a hero, the kind that you need and want as a boy, he IS the gold standard. as FOXTROT once said.

"It's easy to be a hero when one has bullet impervious skin" :p

Batman for just being a bad ass. He's the goddamn Batman, what else do you need or want? :D he's proof that Supes isn't as great as he makes himself out to be.

Thunderstrike for being the most human of heroes. Worried about his kid, wondering about how heroes deal with insurance issues, and there as an everyman hero because the world still needs them. and the fact that He NEVER wanted the mantle of superhero, but will do what needs to be done because the mantle fell on him.

And Death: Well, I'm not sure if she counts as a superhero or not, but you've got to love her, her floppy hat collection, and any incarnation of the final mortality that likes to watch Marry Poppins and make fun of Dick Van Dike's horrible accent. which version is this?

and any Japanese ones?

as FOXTROT once said.

"It's easy to be a hero when one has bullet impervious skin" :p
Like I said, story-wise, Superman is a nightmare, something that DC notes and has tried to correct from time to time with various degrees of success.

In terms of being a hero though, he really is everything that a young child could want. He's an ideal in other words. Ideals usually don't make good protagonists, but they are still useful and nice to have around.

he's proof that Supes isn't as great as he makes himself out to be.
Even Bats said though that Clark is the most human of all of them.

and the fact that He NEVER wanted the mantle of superhero, but will do what needs to be done because the mantle fell on him.
Indeed!

which version is this?
This one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_%28DC_Comics%29

and any Japanese ones?
There's not so many superheros as Americans would define them in Japan, but I'd probably go with Masaki Tenchi (Poor guy) as a Japanese version of Thunderstrike, Lum for showing hope does indeed spring eternal, though we might ask WHY?!!!!!, and, finally, Tsukino Usagi. As it has been noted, she has a heart big enough to hold the world, multiple worlds in fact.

I generally like my superheros to be dark anti-heros.

Old school Batman before DC's post-war light reimaging
Frank Miller and Alan Moore's Batman
Rorschach
Darkman
Green Arrow
Swamp Thing

This one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_%28DC_Comics%29 ahh.

There's not so many superheros as Americans would define them in Japan, but I'd probably go with Masaki Tenchi (Poor guy) as a Japanese version of Thunderstrike, Lum for showing hope does indeed spring eternal, though we might ask WHY?!!!!!, and, finally, Tsukino Usagi. As it has been noted, she has a heart big enough to hold the world, multiple worlds in fact.
hmmm... I kinda like Mr Clice (being a cyborg might qualify him... er... her... er.. it?) and Arare might fit the bill also...

then there's Belldandy, Urd and Skuld (hey if America can have Thor...)

and the Kamen Riders as well as the Ultramen series and the sentai series...

The God Robots, Raideen, Danguard Ace, Gunbuster, etc...

and finally let's not mention... Hentai Kamen!!! :p

What's with the lack of female superheroes? Rogue is arguably the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe, no mention? I mean, she's really effing annoying, too, but...

/feminist rant

I used to read X-books as a kid and always loved Blink for some reason. Recently started reading Ex Machina and became a big fan of Hundred.

Rogue is certainly a force to be recokned with. And the list fails for lack of some of the better female superheroes... though some name's escape me, Black Canary strikes to mind.


If I could be a superhero
I would be awesome man
I’d fly around the world fighting crime
According to my awesome plan
And if I saw criminals trying to lie
Hurting other people and making them cry
I’d haul them off to jail in my awesome van
‘Cause I would be Awesome Man

Steven Lynch owns the soul of all who live and die.

Snip

While I don't expressly like Superman, I have to say that radiation tends to be posinous to lots of people. So kryptonite having adverse reactions is natural. Superman has also been hurt by people with strength equal to his own such as Bizarro, other Kryptonians, Dooms-day, and Darkseid. He's also been affected by electricity, extreme heat, and psychic attacks. That said. He annoys me and is only generally worth reading when facing Lex Luthor, Darkseid, or Manchester Black. All of whom force Superman to reveal his darker more violent nature at times.

Captain America is awesome though. Always has been. If only because he's no real powers. His body has just been enhanced to it's peak levels and even in spite of that he's sparred the Hulk, Iron Man, and several super powered or otherwise superior beings toe to toe. And is one of my favorite heroes.

Along with Silver Surfer, Spider-man, Green Lantern(Kyle not Hal), and one of the most powerful heroes alive. Perhaps the greatest of all in the man known as Atom Bob. Rorschac and Dr. Manhattan. All of them are great.

Rogue is certainly a force to be recokned with. And the list fails for lack of some of the better female superheroes... though some name's escape me, Black Canary strikes to mind. Wonder Woman, Hawk Woman, Huntress, Batgirl, Super Girl, Storm, Electra, Invisible Girl, Ms Marvel, Psylock, Sage, Blink, Etc...

While I don't expressly like Superman, I have to say that radiation tends to be posinous to lots of people. So kryptonite having adverse reactions is natural. Superman has also been hurt by people with strength equal to his own such as Bizarro, other Kryptonians, Dooms-day, and Darkseid. He's also been affected by electricity, extreme heat, and psychic attacks. That said. He annoys me and is only generally worth reading when facing Lex Luthor, Darkseid, or Manchester Black. All of whom force Superman to reveal his darker more violent nature at times. while not arguing against you, the fact that other heroes have a plethora of villians that has a reasonable chance against them, Supes list is rather small. you can have a gang of crooks try to take out the Batman and you know he can get hurt or even killed by a stray shot, same with Wonder Woman, Cap America and most everyone including Iron Man (when his armor faceplate had open eye and mouth slots) but supes is always invulerable.

Captain America is awesome though. Always has been. If only because he's no real powers. His body has just been enhanced to it's peak levels and even in spite of that he's sparred the Hulk, Iron Man, and several super powered or otherwise superior beings toe to toe. And is one of my favorite heroes. er... augmented by the 'super soldier serum and later by the Super soldier virus.

Along with Silver Surfer, Spider-man, Green Lantern(Kyle not Hal), and one of the most powerful heroes alive. Perhaps the greatest of all in the man known as Atom Bob. Rorschac and Dr. Manhattan. All of them are great. yep and all of them (excluding the Silver Surfer, but he deals with Eternals and Cosmic Entities) has some form of weakness that can be exploited.

hmmm... I kinda like Mr Clice (being a cyborg might qualify him... er... her... er.. it?) and Arare might fit the bill also...

then there's Belldandy, Urd and Skuld (hey if America can have Thor...)

and the Kamen Riders as well as the Ultramen series and the sentai series...

The God Robots, Raideen, Danguard Ace, Gunbuster, etc...

and finally let's not mention... Hentai Kamen!!! :p

:eek: How'd you guys leave Astro boy off the list?

My fave as a kid was Spectreman. :)

:eek: How'd you guys leave Astro boy off the list?

My fave as a kid was Spectreman. :)

I left ALOT off of that list.

Condorman
Zaboga
Iczer 1
Kikaida
RainbowMan

and I remember Spectreman. :D

If I could be a superhero
I would be awesome man
I’d fly around the world fighting crime
According to my awesome plan
And if I saw criminals trying to lie
Hurting other people and making them cry
I’d haul them off to jail in my awesome van
‘Cause I would be Awesome Man

If I could be a superhero,
I would be Justice Guy,
Making sure people get what they deserve,
Especially women who lie.
Like if a wife leaves her husband
With three kids and no job
To run off to Hawaii
With some Doctor named Bob
I'd skin them and drain them of blood till they die
Especially Bob.
Then you would be Justice Guy.

A toss-up between Super-Stalin for defeating "Wizard Hitler" and Nick Fury for fighting both the Hate-Monger and the Peace-Monger.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/UltimateNickFury.jpg
YOU LACK DISCIPLINE MOTHERFUCKER!

Psh, Sub-Zero>all, lol


Though i was tempted to say Triple H cause im using him in a videogame, lol...

Oh, forgot-Moon Knight and Black Panther. And Deadman.

Aquaman, 'cause he's got a black belt in Shaq-Fu. Or so I've heard.

Squirrel Girl. She beat up Thanos.

"Ok, take this. Batman is a white dude, owns a corporation. And what does he do with the money? He cracks down on street crime. Any fraud or corporate crime? NO. Street crime!

Man, Batman is every WASP's wet dream. Fuck Batman!" Reg D Hunter.

I like Storm, Rogue and Spider-man.

Favorite superhero? This guy:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/Ascendant.png

Home-made creation, which explains why. But he's suffering from the Superman syndrome. I made him way too powerful and have to figure out plot devices to balance it out.

I can kinda agree with you about Superman.

But Captain America being an egotistical ass? Ha! Nonsense! Steve Rogers (Captain America) IS the hero of heroes. He is the hero that others want to emulate. He is a selfless hero, and you sir, ought to be ashamed of yourself for showing such disrespect!

Long live Captain America!

I need a Captain America t-shirt.

*searches online*Captain America is a sanctimonious asshole. Here's a little speech of his that exemplifies why I hate him:
This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world: "No, you move."Now, plenty of people will see this as a good stance to have. But unfortunately, it only works if you're right 100% of the time. It also counts for any George Wannabe Bush that goes to war despite being told it's a bad idea by virtually everyone else as well as any Kim Just do as Il say. That mentality is what's wrong with America today, why Americans are whiney bitches when they discover their mistakes have unpleasant consequences and make people dislike them.

It'd be a whole lot more tolerable if Cap didn't represent America and was just some generic superhero with a violent libertarian streak, like Rohrschach.
Batman for just being a bad ass. He's the goddamn Batman, what else do you need or want? :DThis:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/GoddamnGingerbreadMan.png
I generally like my superheros to be dark anti-heros.

Old school Batman before DC's post-war light reimaging
Frank Miller and Alan Moore's Batman
Rorschach
Darkman
Green Arrow
Swamp ThingI dislike Rohrschach for similar reasons why I dislike Cap. He's an asshole that sets himself above the law and treats other people that are just as bad or good as he is like shit.

Which isn't to say that he isn't an awesome character. I love Rohrschach the character. =P

Spidey, with Batman close second. Amongst supervillains, Dr.Doom rules.

papa schlemilhorn,
focault og
coyote (not the cartoon one, but the naughty one who'se always getting himself in trouble but who'se biggest mistake was making us, or something like that)
the monkey king, who'se kind of a lot like coyote
lots of other mysterious spirit people of all kinds from many beliefs and places
those i've met, those i've dreamed, those i've read about, and those i've yet to hear of.
generally those that are a little odd, but pretty much what i would consider well intended.
even a little bit 'naughty' in innocently erotic ways, but not that they have to be either, just that i don't see that as making them in any way negative.
most of the querky, off the wall, halfway godlike charicters from the writings of r.a.lafferty like the old bunch, the people of cameroi, the charicters from arive at easterwine, continued on next rock, and so many others.

i suppose just to make one concession to the genre the thread is actually talking about i ought to put in a good word for the phantom, i think that's what he was called.
and maybe the green lantern while i'm at it too.

oh and dynasauscers, and the beast transformers seasons, maybe a couple of others like that.
but still none of them come close to the littlest grandmother, among the more interesting super heroic, slightly off the wall charicters of real speculative litterature.

=^^=
.../\...

Thatcherwoman. Saving the world from the evil of the unions!:)

Thatcherwoman. Saving the world from the evil of the unions!:)

Booooo hisssss!

I almost threw a party a few weeksback, then she was alright, still can't be long now huh!

Ohh and in asnswer to the OP, umm errrr Booster Gold!

Heheh na na na joking, it's really Nova.

how about teh turtle from george martins wild cards (predated tmnt)

or for anti-heros, those nuklear punk hamsters (a kind of satire of tmnt)

=^^=
.../\...

I might be on my own with this, but I always thought the whole superhero thing was a bit silly.

Spiderman and Gambit :P They must be the coolest ones! Spidey is funnier than other superheroes and his more "human like" than the other superheroes 'cos he needs solve many other problems than kicking some villain ass. For Gambit I must say that he's just the coolest one of the X-men and his sort of funny too. And they are both agile ;) There is no superhero without agility!

Tick--The Tick.

"MIGHTY BLUE JUSTICE!"
QFT.

"SPOOOOOOOON!!"

Either him, Judge Dredd, Tom Strong or League of Extraordinary Gentlemen's Hyde. or Lobo.

Chuck Norris, of course. The Savior of the Universe!
All hail the Chuckster!

Thatcherwoman. Saving the world from the evil of the unions!:)Only Nazis hate unions. :D
(Godwin's law has NOT been invoked!)

I might be on my own with this, but I always thought the whole superhero thing was a bit silly.You might enjoy Watchmen then.

You might enjoy Watchmen then.
Does he like to watch?

Does he like to watch?You need to read Watchmen as well, if only to destroy your silly illusions.

Squirrel Girl also beat up MODOK. Her mutant ability is to always win.

I'd vote Dr. Strange.

Spidey, with Batman close second. Amongst supervillains, Dr.Doom rules.

Aye with Dr. Doom.

Daft Viagria of course. ..silly question....
RL has real ppl pretending to b other ppl.
NS has real ppl pretending to b other ppl.
No brainer to me!
Of course,...there are a few guys in our region I would like to try to b or wished I were more like..... ,but I don't know them overly well so I'll stick with me as the answer......
000000000.
that's 9 zeros guys, not 8 or 10 but 9.

.....I don't know them at all to be honest but it is a clean region. I like that!

Daft Viagria of course. ..silly question....
RL has real ppl pretending to b other ppl.
NS has real ppl pretending to b other ppl.
No brainer to me!
Of course,...there are a few guys in our region I would like to try to b or wished I were more like..... ,but I don't know them overly well so I'll stick with me as the answer......
000000000.
that's 9 zeros guys, not 8 or 10 but 9.

.....I don't know them at all to be honest but it is a clean region. I like that!Lay off on the toxins, bro.

Plastic Man.

Seriously, the guy can be anything he wants to be. He's been frozen, shattered, dismembered, and left as bits floating in the ocean for thousands of years, and he just keeps coming back. He's effectively unkillable.

Batman (The Dark Knight Strikes Back) said of him... "He could kill us all. For him, it'd be easy."

Immeasurably powerful. Absolutely nuts.

Iceman hasn't been mentioned yet? He's the coolest X-man. Batman is OK, but mostly cause he makes his own stuff.

As for female heroes, Jean Grey and Storm kick butt.

I agree on the suckiness of superman. Too much power is mucho annoying

Zarathustra.
"Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him?" Pure genius.

I think Lucifer from Paradise Lost is my Favorite Superhero....

Against all odds, he continues to struggle!

Bah. I expected that no one would really get Superman.

In order of 'superhero' to 'not really a superhero at all':

Wolverine (Weapon X)
Akira (Akira)
Soviet Batman (Superman: Red Son)
Smax (Top Ten)
Tom Strong (Tom Strong)
Rorschach (Watchmen)
Morpheus/Lord of Dream/Sandman (The Sandman)

Oh so many to choose from.

Though I have to say, the near limitless power of Dr. Manhattan and his truly clear understanding of things is damn cool. I was a big fan of Watchmen, and I can't wait for the movie. It's gonna ROCK (I hope).

Then again, there is Obama. With the incredible ability of "super human success," he seems unstoppable.

And to avoid getting into a political debate, back to Dr. Manhattan. That dude reminds me a little of Chuck Norris if the Great Chuck wrote himself into a comic...*sudden realization of Manhattan's inspiration.

I was a big fan of Watchmen, and I can't wait for the movie. It's gonna ROCK (I hope).
Hrmmmm...

I wouldn't hold your breath, not with the other bastardisations of Moore's work. The film versions of V for Vendetta (2000-era US politics squeezed into a story about Britain in the 1980's), League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Sean bleedin' Connery. Nuff said.) and From Hell (a stout, 50-ish Tory-voting policeman turned into a drug-taking Johnny Depp; East End prostitutes turned into dazzling beauties...) were fucking awful.

Deadpool.

Gotta love him.

My mother. She´s a wonderful bitch and I just love her!:D

In order of 'superhero' to 'not really a superhero at all':

Wolverine (Weapon X)
Akira (Akira)
Soviet Batman (Superman: Red Son)
Smax (Top Ten)
Tom Strong (Tom Strong)
Rorschach (Watchmen)
Morpheus/Lord of Dream/Sandman (The Sandman)

Akira should probably be a bit further down the list, what with existing on nothing more than a stimulus-response level.

I like Iron Man, because he's a self-made hero. He wasn't born with powers, and he didn't get bit by a radioactive critter. He built his armor. Also, though he's a superhero, he's also a man with many flaws, both psychological and physical.

He's a prick. :p

Definitely Batman but not the pleasant incarnations of Batman because that is stupid. No, Batman is a dark, gloomy, and very disturbing creation and that is what I love about it. If anyone actually really looks at Batman himself you'll find that he is, in many cases, more disturbed that the criminals he fights...

Spiderman gets an honorable mention, and there are several other superheroes I'd rather have the powers of but for my most human superhero, the one I think has the healthiest attitude toward heroism and the use of his abilities?

Multiple Man, Jamie Madrox. *nod*

I wanted to mention Batman...but it just HAD to be slashed with Robin....

I hate Robin, the single worst character created for a comic book, short of Aqualad, lol...

Basically all kid sidekicks need to die...

Spiderman gets an honorable mention, and there are several other superheroes I'd rather have the powers of but for my most human superhero, the one I think has the healthiest attitude toward heroism and the use of his abilities?

Multiple Man, Jamie Madrox. *nod*For a second there I thought you meant Multi-Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Impossibles_%28TV_series%29).

...erm...Captain Beefheart

I just thougbht of a beteter one.







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Optiumse Prime

There's no need to fear, UnderDog is here!

Hrmmmm...

I wouldn't hold your breath, not with the other bastardisations of Moore's work. The film versions of V for Vendetta (2000-era US politics squeezed into a story about Britain in the 1980's), League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Sean bleedin' Connery. Nuff said.) and From Hell (a stout, 50-ish Tory-voting policeman turned into a drug-taking Johnny Depp; East End prostitutes turned into dazzling beauties...) were fucking awful.
You failed to add Constantine (chain-smoking washed-up has-been who hates everything and everybody being played by pretty-boy can't-act-to-save-himself Keanu Reeves. ugh) to the list.
Otherwise, you're spot on with your summarisations.

Terry Gillian tried for years to get the rights and the funding to do Watchmen. Such a shame he failed. He's probably the only director who could do it justice.
Rumour I heard was that they've changed the ending, with the Nightowl killing Ozymandias to prevent the 'alien' invasion.
If that is true, why don't they just save themselves a lot of money and film themselves taking a dump onto a picture of Alan Moore and then wiping their arses with the Watchmen comics. It'd cost less, take less time to film yet the end result would be the same.
DC holds publisher rights to Watchmen series, so Alan Moore can't do much about the franchising and selling of the rights to it. He only regains control once it goes out of print - and that's never going to happen. DC would make sure of that.

Yay! Another deadpool fan. That makes about five of us in total.

I'm a fan of Deadpool as well...

...erm...Captain Beefheart
:p

You failed to add Constantine (chain-smoking washed-up has-been who hates everything and everybody being played by pretty-boy can't-act-to-save-himself Keanu Reeves. ugh) to the list.
Forgot that travesty...

Terry Gillian tried for years to get the rights and the funding to do Watchmen. Such a shame he failed. He's probably the only director who could do it justice.
And said "Watchmen cannot be filmed with any justice" (I'm paraphrasing). My thinking is, if Gilliam says it's impossible to film, you stay the fuck away from filming it!

Rumour I heard was that they've changed the ending, with the Nightowl killing Ozymandias to prevent the 'alien' invasion.
*sigh*

I wouldn't be surprised. I imagine the whole pirate story, and all the supplementary material will be abandoned, while they'll try and squeeze in some half-baked references to terrorism and Bush/Blair into a story about the Cold War and Nixon/Thatcher.

Bastards.

If that is true, why don't they just save themselves a lot of money and film themselves taking a dump onto a picture of Alan Moore and then wiping their arses with the Watchmen comics. It'd cost less, take less time to film yet the end result would be the same.
QFT.

DC holds publisher rights to Watchmen series, so Alan Moore can't do much about the franchising and selling of the rights to it. He only regains control once it goes out of print - and that's never going to happen. DC would make sure of that.
I'm calming myself down by thinking of the new LoEG release, along with Moore's move to Topshelf Comics.

Goku is awesome he's my fave manga hero but kyle rayner/Green lantern is best western comic hero for me.

:pI wouldn't be surprised. I imagine the whole pirate story, and all the supplementary material will be abandoned, while they'll try and squeeze in some half-baked references to terrorism and Bush/Blair into a story about the Cold War and Nixon/Thatcher.

Bastards.

I'm calming myself down by thinking of the new LoEG release, along with Moore's move to Topshelf Comics.
To be fair, I can't see how they could fit the whole pirate sub-story into a 2 hour movie. I'm not expecting that to be shown at all. I just hope they don't totally butcher it by changing the ending as I mentioned and turning Rorschach into a superhero (instead of the pyscho nasty little fuck he was). Bet ya anything that Dr Manhattan stays clothed throughout too. They wouldn't want to lose a PG rating there.

Didn't know Moore was moving to Topshelf. excellent. Ever since his ABC range stopped I've been hanging out for more Moore.

Only comic of his that could be successfully made into a movie would be Top Ten imo. It stayed pretty formulaic superhero comic-wise but the writing and artwork kept it above the rest.

Got to go with the Bat-for a normal human being without powers, give him enough time and he'll take down God

Got to go with the Bat-for a normal human being without powers, give him enough time and he'll take down God

Batman: "Quick Robin - pass me the Bat God Repellent"
Robin: "Holy Ghost Batman"

Hrmmmm...

I wouldn't hold your breath, not with the other bastardisations of Moore's work. The film versions of V for Vendetta (2000-era US politics squeezed into a story about Britain in the 1980's), League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Sean bleedin' Connery. Nuff said.) and From Hell (a stout, 50-ish Tory-voting policeman turned into a drug-taking Johnny Depp; East End prostitutes turned into dazzling beauties...) were fucking awful.It's a good thing there's no comic book adaptation done by the director (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_%28film%29) that could be used as reference instead of films done by other people. Aside from the fact that the only thing those films have in common is that they're based on Moore's works, V for Vendetta was a pretty good movie.

Spider Pig.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=714-Ioa4XQw

*sigh*

I wouldn't be surprised. I imagine the whole pirate story, and all the supplementary material will be abandoned, while they'll try and squeeze in some half-baked references to terrorism and Bush/Blair into a story about the Cold War and Nixon/Thatcher. The Black Freighter story will probably be released as Anime on the DVD. Quite frankly, it's probably better not to include it in a film version at all if it can't be done well.

This is my Hero:
http://www.hero.nl/files/images/fruitstroop_4vruchten_l.gif

This is my Hero:
http://www.hero.nl/files/images/fruitstroop_4vruchten_l.gif

But how super is it?

I voted other.

My favorite superhero is:
CÁLICO ELECTRÓNICO

Errrrrr súper héroe de tod@s!!!

http://www.calicoelectronico.com/

Yes, calico electronico is God!!:gundge:

It's a good thing there's no comic book adaptation done by the director (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_%28film%29) that could be used as reference instead of films done by other people.
It's not as if 300 fills me with confidence. Plus, there's a difference between an adaptation of a not-too-subtle 80-odd page comic and an adaptation of a 400-odd page, incredibly complex comic.

If the Watchmen movie is a good one, I'll happily accept it. But I don't see how any adaptation will do it justice. This is more than film-makers getting the shape of Superman's 'S' wrong; this is about film-makers gutting the storyline out of some masterful pieces of work.

Aside from the fact that the only thing those films have in common is that they're based on Moore's works, V for Vendetta was a pretty good movie.
It was the best of a bad lot. The Wachowski's had a good stab, but as I said above, the attempt to force current politics into the film was a bad move.

It's not as if 300 fills me with confidence. Plus, there's a difference between an adaptation of a not-too-subtle 80-odd page comic and an adaptation of a 400-odd page, incredibly complex comic. Indeed, but it still makes more sense to compare it to that than to compare the upcoming adaptation to other adaptations done by other people. LXG wasn't even an adaptation of the storylines, as far as I've gathered.
If the Watchmen movie is a good one, I'll happily accept it. But I don't see how any adaptation will do it justice. This is more than film-makers getting the shape of Superman's 'S' wrong; this is about film-makers gutting the storyline out of some masterful pieces of work.It always happens, but you must understand that it isn't going to be a comic in movie form, it's going to be a movie. Moore points that out all the time, and he's right (about it being a completely different medium. I think he's wrong that that means comics and graphic novels can't be successfully adapted to the silver screen).
All I'm saying is that you shouldn't condemn it out right, which is how you come across, especially not based on irrelevent arguments.
It was the best of a bad lot. The Wachowski's had a good stab, but as I said above, the attempt to force current politics into the film was a bad move.I disagree that the attempt was a bad move. It didn't succeed, but I think to keep up with the times, it certainly felt necessary to some degree. V for Vendetta was all about current politics when it was written, so there isn't much reason for the movie not to be either.

Rumour I heard was that they've changed the ending, with the Nightowl killing Ozymandias to prevent the 'alien' invasion.

That was in the first script. They've since changed it back to the regular ending.

Superman. Hands down. No question.


Superman. He's a reminder of what we no longer want to believe: that great power doesn't have to accompany great corruption, and that it is our choices, not our position, that mark us as great or weak.

Absolutely right, but there's more.

Bah. I expected that no one would really get Superman.

Me neither.

Hear me out on this. I know why a lot of people are turned off by the overgrown boyscout image and the perfect hair. I get that. I went through a phase of liking the heroes that had to balance their own good and evil like Spawn, The Punisher and the darker Batman. I understand.

And a lot of people are bored by the fact that Superman is orders of magnitude more powerful than any other hero. It's tough to keep coming up with new challenges without it getting old.

But ask yourself this: Does it REALLY matter if the bad guy stands a chance or not? Joker's never gonna achieve final victory over Batman. Dr.Doom will NEVER vanquish the Fantastic Four. Dr. Octopus will NEVER achieve ultimate victory over Spider-Man. I mean, when we read the comics or watch the movies and see our heroes down and out, with the bad guy apparently victorious, do any of us really believe there's a chance the bad guy will prevail in the end?

Of course not. So it doesn't matter what Superman's level of challenge is. He's gonna win regardless, and we know it, so put that aside for a second.


Don't like the boyscout image? Frankly, I think Superman's greatest challenge is MAINTAINING it. In the last movie, which do you think Superman found more difficult: Saving the Shuttle and the NASA plane, or restraining himself from ripping Richard's lungs out when he saw him kiss Lois?

Superman believes in an absolute good. He upholds his morals even though there is *NO* force on Earth that could stop him if he chose otherwise. He's the archetypal Paladin, fighting for a higher cause. Batman fights for revenge. Spider-Man fights to exorcise his inner guilt over Uncle Ben. Wonder Woman is on a mission. Superman does what he does because he believes it's right, and that's all the motive he needs.

So here we have an un-defeatable superhero with nothing to restrain him from going rogue, despite what must be immense temptation to do exactly that. That's where the good story is. Having a super villain to challenge him physically has to be there, yes... but it's the moral dilemmas that makes Superman unique.

Think about it: Remember the first movie when there were two nukes heading for each coast... he could stop only one of them. He agonizes over the choice. That's one of the elements I remember best about that movie. Who does he save? And then he keeps his word, even though it cost Lois her life. And the mo st recent movie: He still loves Lois but he has to force that aside to do what's right, even though it was difficult.

THAT is what makes a hero. Inner conflict that gets RESOLVED through strength of character.

Everybody likes those dark, conflicted characters who fight inner demons and go out there and tread the fine line between hero and vigilante, and that's fine for what it is but it doesn't make them superheroes, it just makes them thugs who are only differentiated from the villains they fight by the way they direct their angst.

"It is a remarkable dichotomy. In many ways, Clark is the most human of us all. Then...he shoots fire from the skies, and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him."
-Bruce Wayne (Batman)

Superman. Hands down. No question.

Absolutely right, but there's more.

Me neither.

Hear me out on this. I know why a lot of people are turned off by the overgrown boyscout image and the perfect hair. I get that. I went through a phase of liking the heroes that had to balance their own good and evil like Spawn, The Punisher and the darker Batman. I understand.

And a lot of people are bored by the fact that Superman is orders of magnitude more powerful than any other hero. It's tough to keep coming up with new challenges without it getting old.

But ask yourself this: Does it REALLY matter if the bad guy stands a chance or not? Joker's never gonna achieve final victory over Batman. Dr.Doom will NEVER vanquish the Fantastic Four. Dr. Octopus will NEVER achieve ultimate victory over Spider-Man. I mean, when we read the comics or watch the movies and see our heroes down and out, with the bad guy apparently victorious, do any of us really believe there's a chance the bad guy will prevail in the end?

Of course not. So it doesn't matter what Superman's level of challenge is. He's gonna win regardless, and we know it, so put that aside for a second.Yes, but what makes the other heroes more interesting is that the bad guys have the potential to beat them. Knowing that it's just a matter of time before Superman beats the bejeezus out of the Luthor kills some of the exitement. The "Oh, my God! There's no way he can get out of this!" that happens to Batman or Spiderman is what makes them so fun to read, and that's a lot harder to do with Superman.
Don't like the boyscout image? Frankly, I think Superman's greatest challenge is MAINTAINING it. In the last movie, which do you think Superman found more difficult: Saving the Shuttle and the NASA plane, or restraining himself from ripping Richard's lungs out when he saw him kiss Lois?Boy Scout image? Superman is a dick (http://superdickery.com/dick/3.html).

Superman believes in an absolute good. He upholds his morals even though there is *NO* force on Earth that could stop him if he chose otherwise. He's the archetypal Paladin, fighting for a higher cause. Batman fights for revenge. Spider-Man fights to exorcise his inner guilt over Uncle Ben. Wonder Woman is on a mission. Superman does what he does because he believes it's right, and that's all the motive he needs.Except that occasionally (http://www.superdickery.com/dick/5.html), he goes mad and proclaims himself King. (http://www.superdickery.com/dick/117.html) :D
(But he's not the only one. (http://www.superdickery.com/other/308.html))

So here we have an un-defeatable superhero with nothing to restrain him from going rogue, despite what must be immense temptation to do exactly that. That's where the good story is. Having a super villain to challenge him physically has to be there, yes... but it's the moral dilemmas that makes Superman unique.

Think about it: Remember the first movie when there were two nukes heading for each coast... he could stop only one of them. He agonizes over the choice. That's one of the elements I remember best about that movie. Who does he save? And then he keeps his word, even though it cost Lois her life. And the mo st recent movie: He still loves Lois but he has to force that aside to do what's right, even though it was difficult.You mean like the time Spiderman was forced to choose between MJ and a bunch of kids? Or when Batman had to choose between Robin and his romantic interest? The "which one do you save" thing is hardly unique to Superman.

THAT is what makes a hero. Inner conflict that gets RESOLVED through strength of character.

Everybody likes those dark, conflicted characters who fight inner demons and go out there and tread the fine line between hero and vigilante, and that's fine for what it is but it doesn't make them superheroes, it just makes them thugs who are only differentiated from the villains they fight by the way they direct their angst.How exactly is defeating your inner demons not an act of resolving an inner conflict? Actually, how is facing two nukes even an inner conflict in the first place?
"It is a remarkable dichotomy. In many ways, Clark is the most human of us all. Then...he shoots fire from the skies, and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him."
-Bruce Wayne (Batman)Haha, point refuted above! :p

Captain Communism?
http://www.shaftagents.com/communist.jpg

Captain Communism?Superman: Red Son has already been mentioned.

Captain Communism?
http://www.shaftagents.com/communist.jpg
Um... You DO know that's Superman right?

Electro Woman and Dyna Girl.

Ace and Gary...

Sam Jackson

Yes, but what makes the other heroes more interesting is that the bad guys have the potential to beat them. Knowing that it's just a matter of time before Superman beats the bejeezus out of the Luthor kills some of the exitement. The "Oh, my God! There's no way he can get out of this!" that happens to Batman or Spiderman is what makes them so fun to read, and that's a lot harder to do with Superman.

I disagree, but maybe we're looking for different things here. Yeah, when I was a kid I got bored with Superman because nobody could challenge him without some kind of ridiculous plot device. Now I don't look for that anymore. It's not whether the bad guy will be able to beat the hero... We already know he won't... It's what kind of damage he will do in the process of trying. THAT'S where the story is.



Except that occasionally (http://www.superdickery.com/dick/5.html), he goes mad and proclaims himself King. (http://www.superdickery.com/dick/117.html) :D
(But he's not the only one. (http://www.superdickery.com/other/308.html))

Bah individual comic books mean nothing. You could produce a list like that nonsense for anybody :p


You mean like the time Spiderman was forced to choose between MJ and a bunch of kids? Or when Batman had to choose between Robin and his romantic interest? The "which one do you save" thing is hardly unique to Superman.

Of course it isn't, but with Superman the temptations and the conflicts must be profound indeed. Spider-Man couldn't take over the world if he wanted to. He couldn't singlehandedly seize the destiny of mankind of he so chose. For Superman, it wouldn't be hard at all. In this case, Spider-Man's mantra:"With great power comes great responsibility" applies more to Superman than to anybody else.


How exactly is defeating your inner demons not an act of resolving an inner conflict? Actually, how is facing two nukes even an inner conflict in the first place?

Defeating those demons IS resolving inner conflict, but so many super hero characters are defined by that conflict such that it never gets resolved. Is Bruce Wayne over the murder of his parents? No. If he were, he'd probably retire. Is Peter Parker over the death of Uncle Ben? Nope. The list goes on and on. A lot of your darker more 'brooding' hero characters are defined by the rage/guilt/fear within them.

Superman is not.


Haha, point refuted above! :p

I disagree! :D

(But he's not the only one. (http://www.superdickery.com/other/308.html))
What the hell is Batman saying there? He gone all redneck on us. "Yeeeeeha!"

As for Superman, I liked Alan Moore's first take on him, Marvelman (called Miracleman in the US). Eventually Marvelman realises just how powerful he is and basically takes over the world and force it to submit to his ideals of what it should be.

His next take on the whole Superman story - Supreme: The story of the year - was an odd, funny satire with it's constant reinventions of Supreme.

Electro Woman and Dyna Girl.

Having....flashbacks.......Sid&Marty Kroft.... campy...story....

Damn you now the theme song is stuck in my head. Damn my eidetic memory for music...

Electro Woman and Dyna Girl.

ohhh... a stroll down memory lane...

Ahhh... Isis (http://members.tripod.com/makeitsomarketing/PICMIGHTYISISFORBLOG.jpg)...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/74/zealot8sf.png

I've always been partial to batman, but after seeing Ironman he's now on my list.

Batman, because he's not really a superhero. He's really a person with no superpowers who has made optimal use of technology and training.

Batman, because he's not really a superhero. He's really a person with no superpowers who has made optimal use of technology and training.

well, he's super rich and, apparently, unaffected by the fluctuation of the nation's economy... :D

well, he's super rich and, apparently, unaffected by the fluctuation of the nation's economy... :DA true American hero.

Spiderman, 'cause he was on the list but... if there had been an 'other' option, I would go with Cybersix, 'cause she's awesome and sexy.

Spiderman, 'cause he was on the list but... if there had been an 'other' option, I would go with Cybersix, 'cause she's awesome and sexy.

There was an other option (hint, hint, it was the last one).

DyaKovo obviously.
i don't know why that isn't an option on the poll.