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CoN: Prince Caspian | May 15th Release

The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian, sequel to The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe, is to be released in the USA on the 15th of May.

Only 2 days away!

LWW, scoring a box-office hit of $744 million, claimed more success than Transformers, I Am Legend, War of the Worlds, The Passion of the Christ, and Matrix Reloaded.

This time, Prince Caspian is bringing Narnia to the screen again, loaded with a bigger budget, and much anticipation. I recently noticed that its official trailer made it on the YouTube homepage for a few days, and its currently being advertised on the MSN (Windows Live Messenger) side-bar!

You can view the official trailer here:

http://www.narniaweb.com/news.asp?id=1355&dl=14478175

Prince Caspian is much darker than LWW, set 1000 years later – with Narnia existing under the oppression of a tyrant from a foreign Spanish-like land. It should appeal to the older folk alot more. The series was written by C.S. Lewis, lifelong friend of Tolkien - and the films are being produced by Lewis' stepson: Douglas Gresham.

So, what do you all think? Did you like LWW? Did you grow up with the books? Are you going to see it on the 15th? Or….are you in my unfortunate position, and have to wait until June 5th before its released in a different country?

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I wont see it. I didnt see LWW. I did read it when I was younger however.


Ive always viewed TCoN as the poor mans LotR.


That and C.S. Lewis pisses me the fuck off.

I'll probably see it.

I didn't read many of the Narnia books. I liked the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit, and the Silmarillion way more.

I might see it in theatres. LWW was pretty good, but I didn't read any of the books. I had actually only heard of the Narnia series after the movie came out, and I wasn't going to see it but my cousin got free tickets.

Yeah I will see it.

When it comes out on DVD.

It looks interesting and I want to see it but, my child atm has no interest (which is shocking as he absolutely loved LWW...),none of my friends are interested, and I won't go by myself.

Loved the books when I was younger and enjoyed seeing LWW, hopefully Disney continues remaining true to the book but from the trailer I have seen there has been a few things that isn't exactly what was written in the book, which sometimes annoys me.

I know Disney has signed up to do three, and my pick is that it will be The Voyage of the Dawn Treader next but I hope they decide to do the other four, but I think that at most they will only do three more dropping The Boy and his Horse.

That and C.S. Lewis pisses me the fuck off.

Do I dare ask why or would I be better off not knowing and let you live in some imagined dribble

Do I dare ask why or would I be better off not knowing and let you live in some imagined dribble

So, me disliking someone means its imagined dribble? I didnt know that I wasnt allowed to have an opinion.

I might see it in theatres. LWW was pretty good, but I didn't read any of the books. I had actually only heard of the Narnia series after the movie came out, and I wasn't going to see it but my cousin got free tickets.

What!! Never heard of it you must have had a deprived childhood.

I'll probably see it.

I didn't read many of the Narnia books. I liked the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit, and the Silmarillion way more.

Just a question. How can you like books better than ones you haven't read? The styles are different but both series are enjoyable with good story lines, and a strong history that doesn't contradict itself within both worlds.

So, me disliking someone means its imagined dribble? I didnt know that I wasnt allowed to have an opinion.

You said that he pisses you off, perhaps the reason why he pisses you off might be imagined dribble not that you didn't like him.

And no I forbid you to have an opinion haha

You said that he pisses you off, perhaps the reason why he pisses you off might be imagined dribble not that you didn't like him.

And no I forbid you to have an opinion haha

I dislike him for various reasons.

I saw LWW and it was pretty boring. It l;ooked like something I might have like as a kid though.

What!! Never heard of it you must have had a deprived childhood.

I was into Redwall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwall) when I was a kid.

I was into Redwall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwall) when I was a kid.
Blech! In my opinion....using Redwall in a sentence while talking about Narnia is a sin! I tend to more or less hate Redwall, which I read before I knew anything of Narnia....to each their own I guess though, huh?

I read the Narnia books just before LWW came out and have become a huge fan. I can't wait to see Prince Caspian....but I will have to wait a week to see it with my friend! That is going to be a looooooong week

For Narnia! :D
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I was into Redwall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwall) when I was a kid.

Oh well not entirely deprived then eh. Yeah Redwall was alright I enjoyed them, but I suggest you do read the Narnia books.

More gryphons! Yay!

That said, I hope this movie has much less overt symbolism than the last one. It was a little irritating having Christians kinda "claim" the movie.

"Look, the lion is Jesus!"

I don't recall Jesus eating anyone's face after he came back from the dead. Must've been a little further on in the New Testament.

Anyway, I'll say it again: Gryphons.

More gryphons! Yay!

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Anyway, I'll say it again: Gryphons.
Even though favorite animals are foxes....and therefore I was very excited to see the role one got to play in LWW...I am not expecting much in the way of foxes in PC....so I agree! YAY for the gryphons!!! :D :D
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I will probably not see it. I saw the last one and was not impressed, it felt like a waste of money, and more importantly, my time.

I hope this will be a flop.

I never quite understood Narnia.

I certainly was not into it as a child, and frankly hadn't heard of it until the last movie's premier, which I thought looked overly childish and foolish. After watching the movie, my opinion didn't change. I doubt I'll be watching the poor man's LoTR, as someone called it.

I dislike him for various reasons.

Although I strongly disagree with Knights of Liberty on this issue...but he certainly is entitled to this opinion haha!

That said, I hope this movie has much less overt symbolism than the last one. It was a little irritating having Christians kinda "claim" the movie.

Well, they obviously have the right to point the symbolism out - C.S. Lewis himself very deliberately included them.

Must've been a little further on in the New Testament.

Quite right. The books aren't written to reflect what Lewis believed was history - but also what he believed would happen. For example, the last in the CoN series, "The Last Battle" includes alot of what people call eschatology.

Although they attended the same pen-club, were great friends, and swapped opinions on each other’s stories, this is where Lewis and Tolkien had one of their biggest disagreements.

Tolkien believed that The Chronicles of Narnia shouldn’t contain the symbolism it does (hence the reason its very hard to tell LOTR was written by a Christian) – Lewis firmly believed that Narnia should.

But – this is more a matter of opinion, than of debate. Both authors attained massive success in and after their lifetimes, and the symbolism is just a style of writing that some readers prefer, and others don’t.

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Delegate of The Council of Narnia

$5 said that if there was ANTI-Christian symbolism in the movie, everyone on here would be in love with the movies.:rolleyes:

$5 said that if there was ANTI-Christian symbolism in the movie, everyone on here would be in love with the movies.:rolleyes:
Sad....but too true more likely than not.

I hope this will be a flop.
It's fine if you don't like it...but come on. Don't be such a Nikabrik! ;)
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$5 said that if there was ANTI-Christian symbolism in the movie, everyone on here would be in love with the movies.:rolleyes:

Depends on if its a good movie or not. The Matrix has religious symbolism and those are cool movies. The Golden Compass was anti-religious and it was medicore.


Need help getting down from that cross of yours?


Please, take your Christian Persecution Complex somewhere else.

The Matrix... those are cool movies.

The first one, yeah. The other two? No. The dialogue and... Stupid events... Ruined them.

Though they weren't anywhere near the level of atrociousness that the Star Wars prequels were. Christ, those were bad.

More gryphons! Yay!

That said, I hope this movie has much less overt symbolism than the last one. It was a little irritating having Christians kinda "claim" the movie.

"Look, the lion is Jesus!"

I don't recall Jesus eating anyone's face after he came back from the dead. Must've been a little further on in the New Testament.

Anyway, I'll say it again: Gryphons.

Well, it makes sense there is blatant Christian symbolism. C.S. Lewis is one of the most prominent, and irritating, Christian theologians and writers out there. He is the darling of Evangelicals.

More gryphons! Yay!

That said, I hope this movie has much less overt symbolism than the last one. It was a little irritating having Christians kinda "claim" the movie.

"Look, the lion is Jesus!"

I don't recall Jesus eating anyone's face after he came back from the dead. Must've been a little further on in the New Testament.

Anyway, I'll say it again: Gryphons.

I think C.S. Lewis was thinking of stuff like:

Revelation 2:18-26
These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first. Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan's so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): Only hold on to what you have until I come. To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—

That sounds like Aslan's role in LWW in a nutshell, including judging, damning and putting followers/children in authority over the nations...

I doubt I'll be watching the poor man's LoTR, as someone called it.

Hey hey hey, you owe me royalties everytime you use that phrase :p

That sounds like Aslan's role in LWW in a nutshell, including judging, damning and putting followers/children in authority over the nations...

Hmm...thats forgetting that Aslan had himself humiliated and killed for the sake of protecting some brat. Funny how we tend to overlook things that people do (things that are WAY beyond what we are capable of)...but yet we willingly put ourselves in the judging, condemning seat if it feels good...

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Well, it makes sense there is blatant Christian symbolism. C.S. Lewis is one of the most prominent, and irritating Christian theologians and writers out there. He is the darling of Evangelicals.

No big surprise that you don't like him, anyone that has read any of his works, even his children's stories, can instantly see through your oft-repeated anti-christ anti-theist rantings… no surprise that you would hate his works for it.

No big surprise that you don't like him, anyone that has read any of his works, even his children's stories, can instantly see through your oft-repeated anti-christ anti-theist rantings… no surprise that you would hate his works for it.

Huh? I think hes a bad writer and his fiction is sub-par. I havent read any of his theological works, because Im not a Christian.


I dont really understand what youre saying behind "You just dont like him because he's a Christian!!!" which is idiotic, as Im a big Tolkein fan.

Hmm...thats forgetting that Aslan had himself humiliated and killed for the sake of protecting some brat. Funny how we tend to overlook things that people do (things that are WAY beyond what we are capable of)...but yet we willingly put ourselves in the judging, condemning seat if it feels good...



Who overlooked it? Jesus dying on the cross and being resurrected and Aslan dying on the table and being resurrected, I didn't forget it, I'm sure Mirkai didn't forget it, I was taking it for a given. I was talking specifically about the 'biting face off' stuff that the implication was that it didn't sound Jesus like.

I was simply pointing out that it is New Testament Jesus like, Aslan is based on NT Jesus.

Huh? I think hes a bad writer and his fiction is sub-par. I havent read any of his theological works, because Im not a Christian.


I dont really understand what youre saying behind "You just dont like him because he's a Christian!!!" which is idiotic, as Im a big Tolkein fan.

Really? That's odd then isn't it, that you say a sub-par fiction writer somehow, and C.S. Lewis pisses me the fuck off, for no reason other than not writing well enough.

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That and C.S. Lewis pisses me the fuck off.

Yeah, I think you meant more than just not appreciating a sub-par writer, unless that is you have emotional issues and you let all sup-par writers piss you the fuck off... More likely that you are now simply trying to crawl back into the cracks and pretend you didn't say what you've said.

Really? That's odd then isn't it, that you say a sub-par fiction writer somehow, and C.S. Lewis pisses me the fuck off, for no reason other than not writing well enough.



Yeah, I think you meant more than just not appreciating a sub-par writer, unless that is you have emotional issues and you let all sup-par writers piss you the fuck off... More likely that you are now simply trying to crawl back into the cracks and pretend you didn't say what you've said.

No, Ill admit that C.S. Lewis pisses me off because of his:

A) Rather unsubtle and styless religious symbolism
B) Constant books on theology regardng the apperant emptiness of existance without Jebus and Gawd
C) His sub-par fiction that, because he is the darling of evangelicals, is hyped up to be far better than it is. It almost seems that just writing fantasy and incorperating thinly vieled symbolism from ANOTHER fantasy is enough to make you a "great and creative writer"


Im not backing down from what I said. Ill say it right now. I hate C.S. Lewis for all the above reasons, and more. I think the movies based off his books are poorer then his actual books, because since they are targeted towards pruder and/or younger auidences, all the cool parts in his books (as few as they are) tend to be dumbed down and less graphic.

Its cute that you think that you caught me in something, or that Im somehow afraid of you.

No, Ill admit that C.S. Lewis pisses me off because of his:

A) Rather unsubtle and styless religious symbolism
B) Constant books on theology regardng the apperant emptiness of existance without Jebus and Gawd
C) His sub-par fiction that, because he is the darling of evangelicals, is hyped up to be far better than it is. It almost seems that just writing fantasy and incorperating thinly vieled symbolism from ANOTHER fantasy is enough to make you a "great and creative writer"


Im not backing down from waht I said. Ill say it right now. I hate C.S. Lewis for all the above reasons, and more.

Pretty much what I said, you don't like him because he contradicts all of what you propogate... You hate him because he's anti-your theology... And C.S. Lewis' theology is substantially more advanced that what I've seen of your anti-theology.

Pretty much what I said, you don't like him because he contradicts all of what you propogate... You hate him because he's anti-your theology... And C.S. Lewis' theology is substantially more advanced that what I've seen of your anti-theology.


His religion isnt what I hate. His poor writin is what I hate. This hate is intensified by the fact that, being the darling of Christians, his fiction is hyped up because he writes about their fantasy world and incorperates it, poorly and thinly vieled, into his.


And to be honost, there is nothing about Christianity that is advanced. But ask me how much I care if you think my "anti-theology" is advanced or not. Go ahead. Ask.

More gryphons! Yay!

That said, I hope this movie has much less overt symbolism than the last one. It was a little irritating having Christians kinda "claim" the movie.

"Look, the lion is Jesus!"

I don't recall Jesus eating anyone's face after he came back from the dead. Must've been a little further on in the New Testament.

Anyway, I'll say it again: Gryphons.I might also add that substitutiary atonement is theologically retarded. poo on bad theology.

No, Ill admit that C.S. Lewis pisses me off because of his:

A) Rather unsubtle and styless religious symbolismconsidering he wrote the book for the <12 set, exactly how much nuance were you expecting? do you rant about nancy drew, too? some of his adult stuff is better, though I don't particularly care about him one way or another. it just strikes me as odd that you're even arguing about it. yes, these children's books are not advanced literature. *shock*he is the darling of evangelicalsheh, the funny thing is that he wasn't at all an evangelical himself. he wrote that apollo was christ to the greeks and that people praying to gods other than christ sincerely were ultimately praying to the same god...he's almost a universalist, not an evangelical at all. I've actually seen a few really conservative evangelicals (who actually bothered to read him critically) who hate him for undermining their worldview...

heh, the funny thing is that he wasn't at all an evangelical himself. he wrote that apollo was christ to the greeks and that people praying to god's other than christ sincerely were ultimately praying to the same god...he's almost a universalist, not an evangelical at all. I've actually seen a few really conservative evangelicals (who actually bothered to read him critically) who hate him for undermining their worldview...

More Christians should know this.

Just a question. How can you like books better than ones you haven't read? The styles are different but both series are enjoyable with good story lines, and a strong history that doesn't contradict itself within both worlds.


I ready a few of the Narnia books and didn't like them as much as Tolkien's books- so i never read the rest.

I ready a few of the Narnia books and didn't like them as much as Tolkien's books- so i never read the rest.

Besides, Aragorn pwns Aslan or however his name is spelled.

More Christians should know this.hehe, a brief bit of googling produced this gem of a quote:

What rank blasphemy from this pseudo-Christian, who was actually a witch and an illuminist, and a member of the coven known as the Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn! How can he get away with calling our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ignorant?

In his book Reflections on the Psalms on page 129, C.S. Lewis said, “…as I believe, Christ…fulfilled both paganism and Judaism.” In a biography of Lewis, he was quoted as saying, “I had some ado to prevent joy and myself from relapsing into paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer. But somehow one didn’t feel it would have been very wrong – would have only been addressing Christ sub-species Apollinis.”

if Lewis was actually in the Golden Dawn he'd go up about a million cool points. if you'd like to find more evangelical criticisms of Lewis they aren't hard to find, I got this one here (http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/2006/January2006.html). heh, I tend to find that the quotes I like most from people like Lewis and John Paul II are the ones rabid fundies like this use to criticise them with. I once found a whole list of pictures from a separatist "catholic" group that showed JP2 conducting mass with buddha statues on the altar and so on. I nearly wanted to become catholic at the end of their list of reasons he was a heretic...lol

More gryphons! Yay!

That said, I hope this movie has much less overt symbolism than the last one. It was a little irritating having Christians kinda "claim" the movie.

"Look, the lion is Jesus!"

I don't recall Jesus eating anyone's face after he came back from the dead. Must've been a little further on in the New Testament.

Anyway, I'll say it again: Gryphons.

They cut a lot (http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=640) of stuff from the New Testament.

I ready a few of the Narnia books and didn't like them as much as Tolkien's books- so i never read the rest.

Opps I read your post to quick.

hehe, a brief bit of googling produced this gem of a quote:



if Lewis was actually in the Golden Dawn he'd go up about a million cool points. if you'd like to find more evangelical criticisms of Lewis they aren't hard to find, I got this one here (http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/2006/January2006.html). heh, I tend to find that the quotes I like most from people like Lewis and John Paul II are the ones rabid fundies like this use to criticise them with. I once found a whole list of pictures from a separatist "catholic" group that showed JP2 conducting mass with buddha statues on the altar and so on. I nearly wanted to become catholic at the end of their list of reasons he was a heretic...lol

C.S Lewis was a believer in Christ. Whether all other Christians agree with him or not is a different matter... But to think he wasn't an evangelical can only be true if the definition of Evangelical is something other than what the dictionary says it means.

Lewis said things like “Though all salvation is through Jesus, we need not conclude that He cannot save those who have not explicitly accepted Him in this life.”

In The Last Battle, the last book of the Narnia series, Aslan accepts the service of a follower of the god Tash: “Son, thou art welcome,” Aslan says to the boy and the boy says, “I am no son of Thine but a servant of Tash.” But Aslan says, “All the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me.” And with stuff like that you think Lewis was a Universalist, but that's not the case.

In Mere Christianity, Lewis says:

There are people who do not accept the full Christian doctrine about Christ but who are so strongly attracted by Him that they are His in a much deeper sense than they themselves understand. There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it. For example, a Buddhist of good will may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background (though he might still say he believed) the Buddhist teaching on certain other points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth may have been in this position.

Lewis clearly thinks salvation is through Jesus, anyone saved is saved through Jesus whether they know his name or not. Clearly then, Lewis is a an inclusive Christian, not a Universalist.

In his book Reflections on the Psalms on page 129, C.S. Lewis said, “…as I believe, Christ…fulfilled both paganism and Judaism.”

Aye. And in saying that, he implies:

Christ fulfills Judaism's destiny by keeping his covenant with them.

Christ fulfills paganism's destiny by keeping his promise with them also. Namely his promised condemnation.

You should understand that "Fulfill" isn't always said in a positive light.

In a biography of Lewis, he was quoted as saying, “I had some ado to prevent joy and myself from relapsing into paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer.

So what? Lewis is simply saying "Gee, I was really tempted to actually worship that idol." He's not endorsing it at all.

But somehow one didn’t feel it would have been very wrong – would have only been addressing Christ sub-species Apollinis.”

And again...he's saying - that it was SO tempting to go along with it, to just simply dismiss Apollinis as a form of Christ. Again, he never says that he was right to feel that way at all.

It seems to me he's more ready to admit his own shortcomings than his accusers are. So C.S. Lewis a Universalist? I don't think so.

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CoN Lord Chancellor
Delegate of The Council of Narnia

No, Ill admit that C.S. Lewis pisses me off because of his:

A) Rather unsubtle and styless religious symbolism
B) Constant books on theology regardng the apperant emptiness of existance without Jebus and Gawd
C) His sub-par fiction that, because he is the darling of evangelicals, is hyped up to be far better than it is. It almost seems that just writing fantasy and incorperating thinly vieled symbolism from ANOTHER fantasy is enough to make you a "great and creative writer"


Im not backing down from what I said. Ill say it right now. I hate C.S. Lewis for all the above reasons, and more. I think the movies based off his books are poorer then his actual books, because since they are targeted towards pruder and/or younger auidences, all the cool parts in his books (as few as they are) tend to be dumbed down and less graphic.

Its cute that you think that you caught me in something, or that Im somehow afraid of you.

Ah see I knew it was imagined dribble, both by you and the extreme Christians who think that this book has strong symbolism and promotes Christianity and should either be banned or promoted because of it depending upon your point of view.

I is written for a younger audience do you really think they are being brainwashed into believing in an all christian god, the suggestion is laughable almost as bad as people who claim the book is racist really some people need to relax and get a life. (And that goes for people on both extremes)

I can see a few instances in the books where people might be able to claim it but to say it is throughout the series is plainly wrong.

I remember when I first read the books when I was about 7 I never saw any supposed symbolism but I did enjoy the books probably because I was in the age group it was directed at, now while I am Catholic I don't think I would ever use the Chronicles of Narnia as why I would believe in God or any of the basic teachings of Jesus, nor did it influence my way of thinking on way or the other, I saw it for what it is a work of fiction about imaginary worlds (as there is more than one or two for that matter depicted in the book) and I enjoyed it I thought that the story line from start to finish was good, now you may disagree on that and I don't really care if you do or not but at least that is a good reason not to like the books over some crap about how it promotes Christianity.


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I agree with you KoL they should be shown this so they can stop harping on about it. It's like the Harry Potter books, it's a work of fiction for fucks sake stop going on about how dangerous it is it is simply not true nor does it promote witchcraft, those people do piss me off.

Shouldn't you KoL be more pissed off at those people who promote at as Christian writing and why people should believe in God and hijack some ones book for their own gain rather than the writer?

C.S Lewis was a believer in Christ. Whether all other Christians agree with him or not is a different matter... But to think he wasn't an evangelical can only be true if the definition of Evangelical is something other than what the dictionary says it means.ok, by "Evangelical" I meant pharisaical jackass, particularly those of the book-worshiping, consumerist variety that have fallen into the regrettable heresies spawned by the likes of calvin and darby, lately enamored of lindsey, robertson, falwell, and such ilk.

as a non-christian I'm probably not allowed to call certain sects heretical. oh well.

Christ fulfills paganism's destiny by keeping his promise with them also. Namely his promised condemnation.that's not how he meant it and I'm not going to argue with you. it's never remotely fulfilling or profitable to try and debate with someone who can casually dismiss the majority of humanity and hijacks Jesus in the attempt. if I'm dismissing you as more close minded than you actually are, my apologies, and might I recommend this classic example (http://www.stherman.com/catalog/chapter_three/Tao_book.htm) of the Orthodox Christian position on Christ fulfilling paganism. the ethnocentric dismissal of all non-judeo-christian forms of divine revelation is, fortunately, a relatively recent addition to what now passes for christianity. the majority of Christ's harshest criticism was for those who belonged to his religion - actually I'm not sure there's an instance of him denouncing others at all, but I might be wrong on that.

I'm not going to argue with you. it's never remotely fulfilling or profitable to try and debate with someone who can casually dismiss the majority of humanity and hijacks Jesus in the attempt

Well if its truly not profitable to debate with me, like you say, and you really are a person who means what he says - you won't show up here anymore.

So - I'll wait for this to be confirmed - and if you do post again, you've shown me that you really don't mind doing things contrary to what you profess with your own mouth. And that we really can't trust you. 10 bucks that you'll show up again.

(As a side-note, I don't appreciate how this has been hijacked for religious debate).

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CoN Lord Chancellor
Delegate of The Council of Narnia

I did not grow up with the Narnia books, I wred one in adulthood and thought it was OK, though there were strong undercurrents of ideological hatred which I wouldn't hand to a child.

As to the film, fuck no. The film industry goes through money like a dose of salts through a goose. They could at least buy an original script and have a go at adding to human culture, instead of cannibalizing it.

Haven't seen a movie at the cinema since LoR I. Don't intend to either. To hell with movies.

(As a side-note, I don't appreciate how this has been hijacked for religious debate).

You're a huge fan of Narnia, and you never even considered that it might have a religious subtext?

You're a huge fan of Narnia, and you never even considered that it might have a religious subtext?

Haha I'm well aware of the religious implications. But the words 'subtext' and 'debate' are two very different terms.

This discussion is about whether or not you liked LWW, read the books, if you're going to see Prince Caspian in a few days - and all things CoN in general. As per the questions in the first post.

I've seen what happens when someone mentions the word 'religion' here - and it gets ugly. So no, lets not go down that path of Christian bashers vs. the bashed - there's plenty of other more legitimate threads for those simply foaming at the mouth to hook in.

Btw Nobel...we're in the same timezone...are we neighbors? :P

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Delegate of The Council of Narnia

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Btw Nobel...we're in the same timezone...are we neighbors? :P

I live in the greater Sydney region, in Australia. I'd rather not narrow it down below a coupla million people, tho :)

No, I lie. Vladivostok! <,<

Ah... the Chronicals of Narna, I grew up on these. I love the books and I did like the first film, although I was comparing it mentally to the BBC adaptation, so it's not surprising it came out well :D.

Do the CoN have religious symbolism? Well yes, but then so does pretty much every fantasy/science-fiction novel written in some degree or another. Narnia's is merely more explicitly stated. I have always felt though there are as many Pagan allegories in it as Christian.

Haha I'm well aware of the religious implications. But the words 'subtext' and 'debate' are two very different terms.

This discussion is about whether or not you liked LWW, read the books, if you're going to see Prince Caspian in a few days - and all things CoN in general. As per the questions in the first post.

I've seen what happens when someone mentions the word 'religion' here - and it gets ugly. So no, lets not go down that path of Christian bashers vs. the bashed - there's plenty of other more legitimate threads for those simply foaming at the mouth to hook in.

Btw Nobel...we're in the same timezone...are we neighbors? :P

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Well, if the subtext is part of it, potentially a pervasive part, and you want to discuss "all things CoN in general", seems like Vegan was within your stated parameters.

Those criticising Lewis should go and read The Screwtape Letters. Actually, everyone should, they're brilliant.

Well, if the subtext is part of it, potentially a pervasive part, and you want to discuss "all things CoN in general", seems like Vegan was within your stated parameters.

Exactly. Feel free to talk about the symbolism/religious implications of CoN. Like I said, simply don't start a Christian bashing fest.

Aye Forsakia - I've been told that the Screwtape Letters are worth having a look at...I've got a dusty old version of it in the bookshelf...should get it out one day...

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Aye Forsakia - I've been told that the Screwtape Letters are worth having a look at...I've got a dusty old version of it in the bookshelf...should get it out one day...

The Screwtape Letters are a fantastic read... There is a stage production of it that gets good reviews from what I understand, but the book is worth reading, or the audio version with John Cleese. Maybe one day we'll see a movie of it? But it doesn't lend itself to movie format I think.

Edit: Ah, found it... Link (http://www.fpatheatre.com/), it's in Washington D.C. right now...