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As Obama's all but wrapped up the nomination now, let us move on to the general.

If you still want to discuss the very remote possibility that HRC will get the Dem's nomination , the thread for that is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=556482).

I predict that McCain will win because

a) Nobody will ever let the Wright thing go,
b) Nobody will ever let the "bitter" thing go, and
c) Too many people in the US are evil.

You Americans and your elections. I was going to ask if they ever end, but I think a better question would be don't they ever start?

Although my own thread but 4-5 days ago was cruelly closed on account of the nominations carrying on, I'm not bitter.

Not at all.

:mad:

Yet I really do think it's time to open this debate.

I also think Barack Obama should henceforth be nicknamed B.O. Baracus and he should also adopt this as his official dance and song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzMzJGewhy8

Dance mofos, dance!

I guess I hope Obama wins because...well actually its a tad worrying how he makes all these good points and everyone is supporting him (in other words I don't trust he will create the utopia he promises)

McCain will win of course Iraq and Afghanistan will stabilize and the recession will cause an insignificant presidency

a better question would be don't they ever start?

only 7 frigging months to go!

I also think Barack Obama should henceforth be nicknamed B.O. Baracus and he should also adopt this as his official dance and song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzMzJGewhy8

pfft as McCain's unofficial campaign manager I counter with irrelevant banter! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw) (I was going to make some joke about young republicans but that sounds like an awesome band name)

pfft as McCain's unofficial campaign manager I counter with irrelevant banter! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw) (I was going to make some joke about young republicans but that sounds like an awesome band name)

McCain does need a nickname, it's true.

McBatshitInsane seems too long to trip off the tongue.

McCain does need a nickname, it's true.

McBatshitInsane seems too long to trip off the tongue.

McCain in the Membrane?

McCain in the Membrane?

I prefer insane in the McCain brain

We're getting there.

Do I take it we're all fine with B.O. Baracus?

McCain...McCain...

*ponders*

EDIT: Wow, we're late, there's an entire forum devoted to it here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4630988).

McBatshitInsane seems too long to trip off the tongue.

Madeline McCain, he went missing in Vietnam iirc :)

I predict that McCain will win because

a) Nobody will ever let the Wright thing go,
b) Nobody will ever let the "bitter" thing go, and
c) Too many people in the US are evil.

Looking at historical precident...

1) The Economy of the election year reflects on the party in power. The melt down this year is a knock against the GOP.

2) The approval ratings of the president in office are an indicator. GWB's historically low approvals indicate a weight in favor of the Dems.

3) The two term curse... It is very rare for any of the parties in US history to have held the presidency for more than two terms in a row...

On all those counts, which are far more significant thatn the mundania you listed, the Dems are set to win.

You Americans and your elections. I was going to ask if they ever end, but I think a better question would be don't they ever start?

Yeah, I know. But insert that old Spiderman bit about great power and great responsibility here.

1) The Economy of the election year reflects on the party in power. The melt down this year is a knock against the GOP.

If people consistently voted on economic issues, I'd have more faith in this country.


2) The approval ratings of the president in office are an indicator. GWB's historically low approvals indicate a weight in favor of the Dems.

Except that in this case everybody knows that George W. Bush is a fucktard, but everyone seems to understand it's just him.


3) The two term curse... It is very rare for any of the parties in US history to have held the presidency for more than two terms in a row...

Statistically, old white men win 100% of the presidential elections.


On all those counts, which are far more significant thatn the mundania you listed, the Dems are set to win.

I think you underestimate the sheer evil of some American voters.

McCain in the Membrane?

Great. Now that'll be stuck in my head.


Even though the Democratic primary is 'over', it's not really Over. And I believe Ardio...don't know how to spell it, has already decreed that these discussions go in issues until the nomination is official.

http://i29.tinypic.com/1zx6ttt.jpg


I think this sums up my feelings.

http://i29.tinypic.com/1zx6ttt.jpg


I think this sums up my feelings.
Ron Paul can be Magikarp.

Well according to rumours....

Its going to be an Obama/Clinton ticket for the nov election

In which case the democrats win the presidency and Obama will buy himself a complete set of body armor in case Vice President Clinton gets ideas............ :eek:

Even though the Democratic primary is 'over', it's not really Over. And I believe Ardio...don't know how to spell it, has already decreed that these discussions go in issues until the nomination is official.

Let's see... the "holy trinity of enforced non-discussion" are issues, polls, and Obama vs Clinton.

This is not about this issues, nor polls, and certainly about she who I will not name lest this thread return to the muck of that other horrid thread that is functionally dead. Thus, if Ardo et al really want to keep the threads on the line of limited discussion, there's no real reason to close this, as it's the next logical step.

Well according to rumours....

Its going to be an Obama/Clinton ticket for the nov election

In which case the democrats win the presidency and Obama will buy himself a complete set of body armor in case Vice President Clinton gets ideas............

I seriously doubt this. BHO's too smart to kill his candidacy w/ that VP slot.

Let's see... the "holy trinity of enforced non-discussion" are issues, polls, and Obama vs Clinton.

This is not about this issues, nor polls, and certainly about she who I will not name lest this thread return to the muck of that other horrid thread that is functionally dead. Thus, if Ardo et al really want to keep the threads on the line of limited discussion, there's no real reason to close this, as it's the next logical step.


Except that she already has as Barringtoni-something already made this exact thread and she merged it into issues.

its hard for me to imagine how the actual general election campaign will play out.

right now mccain is running on the "ill do things the same way bush has done them" platform. that is so insane that he must be planning to do it differently after the convention.

if he stays with this program the only thing that will get mccain elected is a terror attack on us soil.

Except that she already has as Barringtoni-something already made this exact thread and she merged it into issues.

Please take this up elsewhere.

This thread is intended to be a discussion of the US general election, nothing else. If you have a problem with mod actions, please refrain from posting it here. That's what the mod forums are for, and I'll be happy to take on the question there. But let us keep this to the question at hand - the race between McCain and Obama.

Except that she already has as Barringtoni-something already made this exact thread and she merged it into issues.

You couldn't close with the 'a'?

Indeed, I think a Mod needs to start these threads, not sure it's a Golden Rule though but Ardchoille did put her reasons across when she merged, she's also made it fairly clear that this is the policy for now.

I suspect it's something that would have to be raised in Moderation as a brief open debate on whether it's time, I would certainly welcome it but also understand why it hasn't been and why it may continue not to be the case until formal concession by Hillary Clinton.

its hard for me to imagine how the actual general election campaign will play out.

right now mccain is running on the "ill do things the same way bush has done them" platform. that is so insane that he must be planning to do it differently after the convention.

if he stays with this program the only thing that will get mccain elected is a terror attack on us soil.

4 observations: The 3 above re the economy, approval ratings, and the GOP's two terms; and Iraq.

The Surge is winding down and there's already nasty foreshadowing of what's going to happen over the summer. The explosion of violence there won't help McCain....

4 observations: The 3 above re the economy, approval ratings, and the GOP's two terms; and Iraq.

The Surge is winding down and there's already nasty foreshadowing of what's going to happen over the summer. The explosion of violence there won't help McCain....

and i dont think he CAN change his mind about iraq now. all he can do is say he would run it differently.

the american public hates the war. why would they vote for a man who thinks its a good idea?

Its going to be an Obama/Clinton ticket for the nov election

A Clinton/Obama ticket would be much more unstoppable, with the understanding the Obama takes over in four years...

the american public hates the war. why would they vote for a man who thinks its a good idea?



Because theyre retarded?

Because theyre retarded?

aye, theres the rub.

A Clinton/Obama ticket would be much more unstoppable, with the understanding the Obama takes over in four years...

yes but things dont work that way.

and i dont think he CAN change his mind about iraq now. all he can do is say he would run it differently.

the american public hates the war. why would they vote for a man who thinks its a good idea?

It's out of mind for the moment, because the surge has kept a temporary lid on the situation. unfortunately that temp. lid's set to blow over the summer.

A Clinton/Obama ticket would be much more unstoppable, with the understanding the Obama takes over in four years...

That's already been covered repeatedly in the Clinton vs Obama theads - where it belongs.

and i dont think he CAN change his mind about iraq now. all he can do is say he would run it differently.

the american public hates the war. why would they vote for a man who thinks its a good idea?

Because Obama will be the other choice. The whole lesser of two evils mentality....remember that siding with evil, even the lesser of two, is still siding with evil.

Because Obama will be the other choice. The whole lesser of two evils mentality....remember that siding with evil, even the lesser of two, is still siding with evil.

which is a factor for the hard core conservatives but not for the middle of the road independents. the 30% of the country who love george bush will surely vote for mccain; the 70% who hate him and all his policies will have a harder time justifying it.

which is a factor for the hard core conservatives but not for the middle of the road independents. the 30% of the country who love george bush will surely vote for mccain; the 70% who hate him and all his policies will have a harder time justifying it.

But...but...Obamas an evil Muslim!

But...but...Obamas an evil Muslim!

and there is a rumor going around that he is part black too.

and there is a rumor going around that he is part black too.


:eek:

which is a factor for the hard core conservatives but not for the middle of the road independents. the 30% of the country who love george bush will surely vote for mccain; the 70% who hate him and all his policies will have a harder time justifying it.

Keep in mind that of that 30%, is a patriotic core that will always 'approve' of the President regardless of what he does or whether they agree. They consider it unamerican not to. That doesn't mean they voted for him, or even like the prick. To them, he's still the President.

I think it's cute. Dangerous, but cute. Like exploding hamsters. :p

and there is a rumor going around that he is part black too.

And he hates America and won't say the pledge!

And he hates America and won't say the pledge!

And won't wear a flag pin! Oh, the humanity!

And won't wear a flag pin! Oh, the humanity!

And his middle name is HUSSEIN! I heard that's terrorist-speak for "Death to America!"

But...but...Obamas an evil Muslim!

and there is a rumor going around that he is part black too.

HOLY FAKING MOTHER OF COPROLITES!!! A NEGROID MOOZLIM you say? There goes my vote...

A nickname for McCain?

How about G.I. Senile?

Or Private Senile...

Or, more adequately, Lieutenant Senile. Shortened to Lt. Senile.

A nickname for McCain?

How about G.I. Senile?

Or Private Senile...

Or, more adequately, Lieutenant Senile. Shortened to Lt. Senile.

General Disarray?

General Disarray?

A nickname for McCain?

How about G.I. Senile?

Or Private Senile...

Or, more adequately, Lieutenant Senile. Shortened to Lt. Senile.

how about "the Old Fart".

how about "the Old Fart".

Major Malfunction?

Major Malfunction?

Captain 'Murka.

Ive always been partial to McRambo.

I think it's cute. Dangerous, but cute. Like exploding hamsters. :p

QFLOL. :D

McSame... and there are like eight words in this whole thread that aren't spam, so I really hope they don't merge it into issues.

Next topic - Who would win in fight?

McSame... and there are like eight words in this whole thread that aren't spam, so I really hope they don't merge it into issues.

Next topic - Who would win in fight?

Depends on if McCain still remembers all the tricks in hand to hand combat they taught him in the military, and if he can go the whole fight without throwing out his hip.

Ive always been partial to McRambo.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/2395883337_e09bc1f979_o.jpg :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/2395883337_e09bc1f979_o.jpg :D

And this is why I love you.

McSame.

Ooo! Spread this one around! Quickly! Man the Internets, boys! Dying is the day worth living for! :D

My biggest question is where the people will go who dislike the war, but at the same time are troubled by a pullout. My thoughts are they might go with McCain.

My biggest question is where the people will go who dislike the war, but at the same time are troubled by a pullout. My thoughts are they might go with McCain.

IF the war were the only issue, maybe. However, as it is, since McCain admitted to not knowing jack about the economy, thus even these will vote for him. And a pullout will finally happen.

Next topic - Who would win in fight?

I pity the fool who takes on B.O. Baracus.

and i dont think he CAN change his mind about iraq now. all he can do is say he would run it differently.

the american public hates the war. why would they vote for a man who thinks its a good idea?

That really is a difficult question. It's easy to blame the war on the current admin, but retreat is a different matter from aggression. There's water under the bridge since then.

Ideally, and no-one would admit this, the most popular course is to retreat without saying it's a retreat. If McCain can finesse that -- "peace with honour" -- he could well win. But circumstances can and will change before those critical last weeks of the campaign, and he's keeping the faith with the Iraq decision in case that becomes an asset.

McCain won't run with "hundred years of war" -- he can't be that stupid. He's leaving his options open for the real campaign, and for anything which comes up in that time. His best chance is a big terrorist strike against the US (by Iraqis or Iranians, preferably!) and if he gets that, revitalizing the "with us or against us" premise of foreign intervention requires that he not renounce the war in Iraq. Yet.

He's an old white man. They're always hard to beat.

My issue with Obama is generally on trade. The anti NAFTA anti free trade stuff is dangerous ground and in the end harmful the the economy.

Next topic - Who would win in fight?

In the only fight that matters, Obama. McCain might have played a few times, but those ten years really take it out of a player. Obama doesn't seem to have an official rating, but I wouldn't be trying anything arrogant in the first few moves ...

We are talking about chess, right?

My issue with Obama is generally on trade. The anti NAFTA anti free trade stuff is dangerous ground and in the end harmful the the economy.

Immigration, too. NAFTA is often put as a strategy to strengthen the Mexican economy, which would obviously reduce unauthorized immigration.

My issue with Obama is generally on trade. The anti NAFTA anti free trade stuff is dangerous ground and in the end harmful the the economy.
Wait, what? I was under the impression that NAFTA was about as "free trade" as People's Democracies were "democratic."

Wait, what? I was under the impression that NAFTA was about as "free trade" as People's Democracies were "democratic."

in practice is tends to be the US one way free trade with Mexico and Canada agreement. but the theory and wording of the agreement is supposed to be actual free trade.

in practice is tends to be the US one way free trade with Mexico and Canada agreement. but the theory and wording of the agreement is supposed to be actual free trade.
That's what I thought. Because all I saw were people in Mexico getting screwed. To be honest, I haven't seen "free trade" benefit too many people who aren't absurdly rich. Perhaps you could set me straight on that?

That's what I thought. Because all I saw were people in Mexico getting screwed. To be honest, I haven't seen "free trade" benefit too many people who aren't absurdly rich. Perhaps you could set me straight on that?

'Free trade' in general or NAFTA specifically?

It would be easier to try and find a closed, managed economic system that is successful, although it would take some time to find one, there'd be fewer results to debate.

*sigh* Step this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554116) way, folks.