NationStates Jolt Archive

Greetings,

Who here actually plays the game NationStates? Well, I guess there are different ways to play the game (region raiding, et cetera). So, more specifically - who here role-plays on the NationStates forums? And, this next question is not meant to mock or allude to anything, it's just an honest question. If you don't play the game, aren't there other forums that are meant for general discussion where you don't have to have the name of a make-believe nation?

Again, these questions aren't designed to mock or state an opinion. I'm genuinely interested,

-Jon Catalán

*snip*

Ultimately these are really communities of sorts, those people who enjoy the community of NSG may not necessarily enjoy the community of the RP forums. The games or the forum of NSG are actually tools that people use to communicate, interest themselves or simply engage with other people where they can fit in, play their role in that community.

There's people who switch between the two, the variety of personalities mirrors that of the real world.

Personally, RP'ing is not something I particularly enjoy, in some senses I wish I had the imagination to RP, the ability to live outside of myself, but it simply doesn't interest me.

I don't have a lot of experience of other forums, I used to lurk a little on Snopes but I find NSG is more open to any kind of opinion, and I like to read opinions that veer wildly from my own, to remind me that it takes all sorts to make this world, that while some opinions are simply wrong, many others have nuances between point of view that are entirely valid.

My 2c at least

I'm trying to gain a better foothold here-but I'm originally from RPing.

I'm trying to gain a better foothold here-but I'm originally from RPing.

You should role-play for the Di Bradini Cup. >_>

- Jon Catalán

I think it's too late though, I'll have to wait for the 6th.

I love cups and that type of thing-I'm currently in World Cup of Hockey 6 and Baptism of Fire 24 (is is the 24th?)

I used to...
With you long ago... :D

I used to...
With you long ago... :D

I recently went to check who was still around from World at War, and noticed that you were. It's unfortunate you no longer actively role-play. :(

- Jon Catalán

I do - just IRL only - too much stuff on at work and RW social to do much more than shove an oar in here and there :)

I roleplay all the time in the "NationStates" forum. General is where I come when I get bored, or while I'm waiting for others to write.

I did some RPing off site, but not much on Jolt. I took a stab at RPing in II a couple of times, but my work schedule made it almost impossible to keep up. My WA nation has posted in the World Assembly forum, but I got a little burned out on that. Basically, I like to RP when I can, but when my RL gets busy (which happens way too often), the RPing gets put on the back burner (relative to regional politics or shooting off my mouth in NSG).

I don't Role play, i guess i've not got the right sort of mind to be interested in that sort of thing. From what i gather it's pretty time consuming, i prefer irritating folks on here.:)

I roleplay all the time in the "NationStates" forum. General is where I come when I get bored, or while I'm waiting for others to write.

I was actually looking at that FT roleplay thread, but I have never developed FT characters for my nation nor a FT setting in general, so I didn't think it pertinent. Besides, other than sports RP and an RP with Guffingford I don't role-play much on the Nationstates forum, and prefer International Incidents.

Who here actually plays the game NationStates?
*raises hand*

So, more specifically - who here role-plays on the NationStates forums?
*raises hand some more*

I was actually looking at that FT roleplay thread, but I have never developed FT characters for my nation nor a FT setting in general, so I didn't think it pertinent. Besides, other than sports RP and an RP with Guffingford I don't role-play much on the Nationstates forum, and prefer International Incidents.

To each their own of course. The two forums do have two different types of writing that has developed over the years. I prefer the NS forum personally, being one of the ones who helped frame it and develope its style back in the day, but that's just me.

Actually, II is a lot closer to what NationStates was 5 years ago when I joined. It's more roleplay writing than novel writing, as opposed to NS, which is the opposite.

That being said, the changes are small. I can appreciate both, and as always, there is some crossover.

To each their own of course. The two forums do have two different types of writing that has developed over the years. I prefer the NS forum personally, being one of the ones who helped frame it and develope its style back in the day, but that's just me.

Actually, II is a lot closer to what NationStates was 5 years ago when I joined. It's more roleplay writing than novel writing, as opposed to NS, which is the opposite.

That being said, the changes are small. I can appreciate both, and as always, there is some crossover.
I have always wondered what was the difference between NS and II. I had put my threads in II because of what I perceive to be a wider viewership and more activity, but then most of them actually die off without ever finishing :(

I really have no idea about the difference between the two.

I role-play. But not on Nationstates... this place seems to have it different variant of RP then what I am accustomed so I wouldn't know how to. I talk here because it's more interesting then some other places I go or have been. Simple really.

I have always wondered what was the difference between NS and II. I had put my threads in II because of what I perceive to be a wider viewership and more activity, but then most of them actually die off without ever finishing :(

I really have no idea about the difference between the two.

Well...this is all just my personal opinion...but I've been around forever so it carrys a bit more weight.

II is the home of more modern-day RP's. In NS, nearly all nations are FT. In II, you have a lot of really short posts with single characters talking to each other. In NS, you generally have really long posts. (check my sig for examples) This is what I mean by RP writing vs. novel writing style. In II, most technology has to be justified to the II community because war is in abundance. In NS, most technology is wanked, but it doesn't matter, because if there are wars, they are carefully scripted and planned ahead of time or during, so godmodding just doesn't exist. Most storefronts are in II. Most sports RP's are in NS. II has Earth 1-17 or whatever. NS has had 40 some World Cups.

Mostly, it's just the crowd you hang out with. But, naturally, there are stereotypes. :)

NS'ers sometimes think of II'ers as immature, warmongerers, bad writers, tech nazi's, and n00bs. In contrast, II'ers think of NS'ers as elitists, tech wankers, too concerned with character RP's, and old heads.

As I said, you basically find a community and you stick with it. The II and NS forums aren't made to be different, they just developed that way over time. NS has FAR more character RP's. II has FAR more wars. NS has FAR more really old players. n00bs are FAR more likely to end up in II. Now that's not to say that there aren't future-tech old timers who write well (like AMF) that hang around II, or that there aren't modern-tech n00bs who can't spell their way out of a paper bag in NS, but these generalizations prove true for the most part.

Find a place you like, and have fun. That's the real point.

--snip--
Perhaps I would put my next thing at NS. I'm not too fond of RPing wars, most of my RPs are character RPs or geopolitical RPs. But Brutland and Norden is an MT nation and new (relatively, as compared to oldies), so I wonder whether I would fit. Perhaps I'd keep goin' on both.

Before some people get the wrong impression, not all of International Incidents is like that and it's a gross overgeneralization (although, IIers opinion of NationStates is the same thing). I want to link to some examples that don't follow the trend illustrated above:

Babel (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548268), there are no posts under 4,000 words and most are 5,000+ - admittedly, it's been moving 'slowly', but that's because the other role-players have testing at their respective universities. It's more war oriented, admittedly, so I will link to a character role-play.

When the foe of your foe is your enemy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554687), is entirely a character role-play.

A Passion Play (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439156), this thread was started in August of 2005 and lasted until the summer of last year (I had basic training then), and really shows the progression of role-playing (the opening post, for example, doesn't really equate to the quality of later posts). This has both non-character and character role-playing. This is one of the most well known wars on International Incidents, due to its length and the fact that it actually finished and there was never any out-of-character issues.

The Rise of the Order in Guffingford [OPEN] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442563), OTOH this is a character RP I did with Guffingford in the Nationstates forum.

Fires after Independence [Semi-open] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536496), a thread between Yafor 2 and Azazia.

Used to, but stopped when the pool of true modern- and near-modern-tech nations diminished to almost none. It got to where it seemed like almost everyone was in space or in some future-fantasy setting.

Who here actually role-plays?
In or out of the bedroom?

*reads OP*
Oh, this wasn't a sex thread...
:(
Greetings,

Who here actually plays the game NationStates? Well, I guess there are different ways to play the game (region raiding, et cetera). So, more specifically - who here role-plays on the NationStates forums? And, this next question is not meant to mock or allude to anything, it's just an honest question. If you don't play the game, aren't there other forums that are meant for general discussion where you don't have to have the name of a make-believe nation?

Again, these questions aren't designed to mock or state an opinion. I'm genuinely interested,

-Jon Catalán
Nope, I'm just here for NSG.

Before some people get the wrong impression, not all of International Incidents is like that and it's a gross overgeneralization (although, IIers opinion of NationStates is the same thing). I want to link to some examples that don't follow the trend illustrated above.

Please don't think I was hating or anything. It was meant to be a gross overgeneralization. There are always exceptions and such.

Personally I like being the student.. who wants to be the teacher.. lol..

wait what? lol:eek:

and if all you do is make a pretend nation and do "creative writing" about it why bother having an NS account? (because without the nation page all the RP's would looks like dribble maybe?)

Well, to play the game you kind of have to have an account on NationStates. :p Unlike general topic forums, there are not that many other forums dedicated to what NationStates is dedicated to.

I'm here for the general forum which I'd hazard at being the largest forum not only for NS but also jolt.

Yes, it is - it's about double the size of International Incidents (4 million posts vs. 2 million).

I think its legitimate to ask what your doing in our land of paradise mucking it up with eye bleeding paragraphs

I'm not, I reserve that for my RPs on II. :p

In or out of the bedroom?

*reads OP*
Oh, this wasn't a sex thread...
:(

Damn you beat me to the punch (again). Considering all the sex threads recently on NSG I thought this might have been another one.

I do.

theres a game now?!

Yep. That's the whole point.

No, if I wanted to spend my day pointlessly and anally typing up what can only be at best described as torture through reading I'd get a myspace

I'm sorry. I forgot that your "torture through reading" is so much more valid than mine. My mistake.

and if all you do is make a pretend nation

Which is the ENTIRE point of this game...

and do "creative writing" about it why bother having an NS account? (because without the nation page all the RP's would looks like dribble maybe?)

Or because the NS is the basis of what those who roleplay write about? And without the nations all the RP's would just look like RP's. The nations are what interconnects the various writers.

I'm here for the general forum which I'd hazard at being the largest forum not only for NS but also jolt.

You're right. There is more SPAM in general than in the actual SPAM forum.

I think its legitimate to ask what your doing in our land of paradise mucking it up with eye bleeding paragraphs

The Macabees is doing what is meant to be done in the forums that he posts in, i.e. roleplay, just as you are doing what is meant to be done in the forums that you post in, i.e. banter on about politics and the like. There is no difference. One is not superior to the other. Your way of posting on and enjoying this site is not better than anyone else's. Move on.

Before I go and defend NSG: I do roleplay occasionally, there is a limit to the amount of time I can devote to it though. It was a novel idea in 2003, in 2004 it was good occasionally, in 2008, it is old. How many times have we seen the same story in a roleplay now?



There is more SPAM in general than in the actual SPAM forum.

Slightly biased maybe? Think you need to relax a bit.


Your way of posting on and enjoying this site is not better than anyone else's.

Pity you can't realize that yourself and respect his opinion without going and crying to the mods. You seriously need to accept that there are otherways to have fun than to roleplay, and play wannabe-mod.

Before I go and defend NSG: I do roleplay occasionally, there is a limit to the amount of time I can devote to it though. It was a novel idea in 2003, in 2004 it was good occasionally, in 2008, it is old. How many times have we seen the same story in a roleplay now?

Slightly biased maybe? Think you need to relax a bit.

Pity you can't realize that yourself and respect his opinion without going and crying to the mods. You seriously need to accept that there are otherways to have fun than to roleplay, and play wannabe-mod.

No need to defend NSG. I'm not attacking it. I think it's fairly obvious that I post here as well.

Slighly biased about what, may I ask?

And as it's been upheld many, many, times in the past, I or anyone else can report things to the mods. It is in the game's best interest. I can respect that a number of people don't want to roleplay and just want to debate/discuss things in General. Hell, there's more of you than there are of me. What I can't respect is trolling, which is what Call to Arms did. And look, it worked too. Go figure. It got reported. I'm sure either way everyone will just deal with it.

Now, no more hijack, eh? :)

Please note:

Different players enjoy different forums. The diversity of NS is one of its attractions. No single forum is "better" than another forum.

This is the most recent defence of a poster's right to notify mods of anything that is interrupting the smooth operation of the forums. Read, learn and inwardly digest:


because people don't see the point in doing so beyond wasting mod time hence why God invented the ignore button

Reported problems are not "wasting mod time", they are making our time more efficient. I can scan the moderation forum twice a day in 3-4 minutes, or I could spend hours delving through the crap. I prefer the former. Don't pretend you know what helps us, as you clearly don't.

This is the current definition of trolling:Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). While Trolls often make these posts strictly in an attempt to provoke negative comment, it is still trolling even if you actually hold those beliefs. Intent is difficult to prove over the internet, so mods will work under their best assumptions.

Note that posts of opinions you disagree with does not automatically equate with trolling. Disagreements are expected, as long as they are done in a civil manner. Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held. Make your case without the invective, if you want to avoid banishment as a Troll.

Trolling is also is used to refer to making obviously silly topics that people nonetheless will reply to, despite all common sense. Don't feed the trolls.

So why am I filling up this innocent thread with all these "eye-bleeding paragraphs"?

BECAUSE THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY SLIPPED OUT OF MIND AGAIN, that's why.

Three points:


If you're unsure whether something is trolling or not, ask yourself whether the person is simply disagreeing, or is being actively disagreeable.

Self-policing is welcome, but an argument about how an offence should be defined and whether it is, indeed, an offence, is just as much a topic hijack as any other irrelevant argument. If a post is aggressive, it's often better to report than reply.

This forum is for discussion and debate. Most posters do not have to write looking over their shoulders for a mod to descend on them waving a rule-book in one hand and a ban-hammer in the other. Just keep it reasonably civil and all's well.

I stumbled back into this thread because I thought Ardchoille was sharing her experiences in RPing in the UN forum. :(

Of late, I spend too much time on this sort of spat. But you can't keep a good BarLord down. :p

I tried, but the information I needed to invent and research to make it realistic was simply too much.

If you're interested you can open an embassy at my place (see siggy). That's the limit I'm operating on at the moment.

Please note:

Different players enjoy different forums. The diversity of NS is one of its attractions. No single forum is "better" than another forum.



We all know that you're biased towards the great-glory of moderation role-playing that takes place in the moderation forum. :p

Greetings,

Who here actually plays the game NationStates? Well, I guess there are different ways to play the game (region raiding, et cetera). So, more specifically - who here role-plays on the NationStates forums? And, this next question is not meant to mock or allude to anything, it's just an honest question. If you don't play the game, aren't there other forums that are meant for general discussion where you don't have to have the name of a make-believe nation?

Again, these questions aren't designed to mock or state an opinion. I'm genuinely interested,

-Jon Catalán

I don't any more, only in bed.

We all know that you're biased towards the great-glory of moderation role-playing that takes place in the moderation forum. :p

*Roleplays exasperated mod.*

*Clobbers Macabees with leather-bound, metal-trimmed, lead-encased copy of The One-Stop Rules Shop.*

*Explains to Admins -- "Honest, guys, it was entirely IC!"*

A little over a year ago, there was an interesting crossover between NS roleplayers and NSG: some of the more active posters had their region invaded! So, the Generalites took it to 'em, as chronicled here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=526228). Probably the most RP'ing many of us from NSG have done here :p

I try...when I have time. :(