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Diageo says it will make an announcement tomorrow on the future of its brewing operations in Ireland including the historic Guinness brewery at St James's Gate.

It has been anticipated for some time that the company plans to consolidate its operations in Ireland into a new green-field site.

Diageo Chief Executive Paul Walsh is to fly to Dublin for a news conference at St James's Gate tomorrow morning.

He will give the results of a review of its brewing operations.

A company spokesman said there will be a significant announcement at the news conference.

It is widely anticipated that a new site in Clondalkin will be used for brewing operations, with a possible closure of plants in Dublin, Waterford, Kilkenny and Dundalk.

2,500 people are employed in total with 800 employed in Diageo's brewing operation, which also manufacturers Smithwicks, Kilkenny and Harp.

A SIPTU spokesman said they expected to be briefed tomorrow.

Pretty soon, every decent brew in the world will be purchased by Anheuser-Busch, and we'll see everything turned into the mediocrity that is Budweiser...

Dear lord no...I don't know what else to say, I could blow up the budweiser bottling plant thats only a few miles away if that'll help.

Thank God I don't drink much.

My condolences to those of you who do.

time to move to hard liquor :)

This is why I smoke Mary Jane. Beer tastes like swill. At least North American beer does. Some of the Ontario microbreweries haven't totally assassinated their beers... yet.

time to move to hard liquor :)

heh, i've been there...guiness is one of the beers however I like to enjoy every now and again.

This is why I smoke Mary Jane. Beer tastes like swill. At least North American beer does. Some of the Ontario microbreweries haven't totally assassinated their beers... yet.

Take powerful vodka, I.E. everclear, add a half of some good bud and let sit until a tea effect takes place (Theres some more things to do) but in the end you'll have Green Dragon which gets you high and drunk all in a single shot :D

This is why I smoke Mary Jane. Beer tastes like swill. At least North American beer does. Some of the Ontario microbreweries haven't totally assassinated their beers... yet.

All beer will be assimilated....

This is why I smoke Mary Jane. Beer tastes like swill. At least North American beer does. Some of the Ontario microbreweries haven't totally assassinated their beers... yet.

Corona isn't that bad...

heh, i've been there...guiness is one of the beers however I like to enjoy every now and again.

:eek: pub gardens will never be the same!

Boo! Hiss! Guinness is what keeps me going when there isn't proper beer on offer.

Corona isn't that bad...

You can freeze corona...and that is fun, especially when your drunk and you do it...and I mean instantly freeze as in out of a freezer and right in your hand and right before your very eyes.

Ok, nowhere in that article does it says that Guinness is for sale. They are talking about closing plants. It does not change the taste of beer much if it's done over there instead of over here.

That being said, american beer is like making love in a canoe: f***ing close to water.

Ok, nowhere in that article does it says that Guinness is for sale. They are talking about closing plants. It does not change the taste of beer much if it's done over there instead of over here.

That being said, american beer is like making love in a canoe: f***ing close to water.

Yes, we'll just close down the plants where it's made, build new kettles and beer plumbing in an entirely new spot, fire the people who work at the current location, maybe hire some of them at the new site (if they're willing to relocate), and oh, by the way, the whole place is under new management, who had nothing to do with the original beer, and we're doing this to save money, and you know where that's taking us...

Uu...hu.

They're just changing locations to something nicer. Not stopping the brand or anything.

Yes, we'll just close down the plants where it's made, build new kettles and beer plumbing in an entirely new spot, fire the people who work at the current location, maybe hire some of them at the new site (if they're willing to relocate), and oh, by the way, the whole place is under new management, who had nothing to do with the original beer, and we're doing this to save money, and you know where that's taking us...
Those parts have to be replaced every 6 to 10 years anyways.
as for the people all the important people will relocate brewers and master brewers, it will just be the apprentices and janitors left out in the cold.
part of the reason they are doing this is when brewing beer the taste of said beer is effected by the air quality. Guinness in the last 15 years has been getting a worse and worse taste as Dublin as grown larger and the air become more polluted. same with cheese, and chocolate. It is why the best beer is brewed in secluded monasteries.

Take powerful vodka, I.E. everclear, add a half of some good bud and let sit until a tea effect takes place (Theres some more things to do) but in the end you'll have Green Dragon which gets you high and drunk all in a single shot :D

fuck everclear


fucking rubbing alcohol

This is why I smoke Mary Jane. Beer tastes like swill. At least North American beer does. Some of the Ontario microbreweries haven't totally assassinated their beers... yet.

You have to know where to look. Chances are, that if it's advertised on TV, it's going to suck.

But I stand by my Anchor Steam

Corona isn't that bad...



Corona is pretty bad. If you're going to drink Mexican beer, drink Negra Modelo.

Corona is pretty bad. If you're going to drink Mexican beer, drink Negra Modelo.

I drink what the bars serve and thats what they serve...plus its traditionally served in its bottle which much like coke makes it taste better :)

No loss to me. It tastes like bloody marmite.

Cider's where it's at.

Cider's where it's at.

if you happen to live in somerset :p

edit: oddly your close enough

Yep.

The real heart of the West Country.

:p

I drink what the bars serve and thats what they serve...plus its traditionally served in its bottle which much like coke makes it taste better :)

Than on tap? You've gotta be shitting me.

Wait, you live in the UK. What the hell are you doing drinking shitty North American macro-beer? We have to pay extra to get good shit from your country, lol.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0508/guinness.html



Pretty soon, every decent brew in the world will be purchased by Anheuser-Busch, and we'll see everything turned into the mediocrity that is Budweiser...Um...they say nothing about selling the company. Moreover, Anheuser-Busch makes all of the following beers:
Grolsch
Harbin Lager
Tiger Beer
Kirin
Bass Ale
Boddingtons
Beck's
Hoegaarden
Leffe
Stella Artois
Lowenbrau
Tennet's Ale
Hurricane Malt Liquor
Hurricane Ice
King Cobra
Stone Mill Pale Ale
Wild Hop Lager
Sun Dog (New in 2008) (spring)
Beach Bum Blonde Ale (summer)
Jack's Pumpkin Spice Ale (fall)
Winter's Bourbon Cask Ale (winter)
Bud Extra (aka Budweiser E)
Bare Knuckle Stout
Anheuser World Lager (discontinued)
ZiegenBock (Texas only)
Ascent 54 (Colorado only)
Redbridge (gluten-free)
Rolling Rock
Landshark Lager
Shock Top (Formerly Spring Heat Spiced Wheat)
Skipjack Amber Lager (Mid Atlantic Only)
Natural Light
Natural Ice
Busch
Busch Light
Busch Ice
Michelob
Michelob Light (World Beer Cup Bronze Medal, 2006)
Michelob Ultra (World Beer Cup Bronze Medal, 2004)
Michelob Ultra Amber (World Beer Cup Silver Medal, 2006)
Michelob Honey Lager
Michelob AmberBock (World Beer Cup Bronze Medal, 1998)
Michelob Golden Draft
Michelob Golden Draft Light
Michelob Bavarian Wheat
Michelob Porter
Michelob Pale Ale
Budweiser (World Beer Cup Bronze Medal, 1996)
Bud Light
Budweiser Select
Bud Dry
Bud Ice
Bud Ice Light
Budweiser Brewmaster's Private Reserve
Bud Light Lime
Budweiser & Clamato Chelada
Bud Light & Clamato Chelada
B to the E budweiser energy beer

many of which, specifically Jack's Pumpkin Spice and Hoegaarden, are quite good.

This is why I smoke Mary Jane. Beer tastes like swill. At least North American beer does. Some of the Ontario microbreweries haven't totally assassinated their beers... yet.
Given how many North American breweries there are, that is quite a sweeping statement. Ever try Sam Adams, Harpoon, Otter Creek, Magic Hat, Boulder, Rogue, Flying Dog, Hooker, or Great Divide?

Ok, nowhere in that article does it says that Guinness is for sale. They are talking about closing plants. It does not change the taste of beer much if it's done over there instead of over here.

That being said, american beer is like making love in a canoe: f***ing close to water.
See above. American style lager (which is produced in some variant in most regions today) is a low bitter, high carbonation beer (Budweiser). However, that isn't the only style found brewed in the states.


Yes, moving the brewery will change the taste. But given the fact that Dublin is becoming a real city with pollution, and beer is almost entirely water, the taste will likely improve if it is made farther away from the city.

Wait, you live in the UK. What the hell are you doing drinking shitty North American macro-beer? We have to pay extra to get good shit from your country, lol.

good shit? what on Earth are you talking about :eek:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0508/guinness.html



Pretty soon, every decent brew in the world will be purchased by Anheuser-Busch, and we'll see everything turned into the mediocrity that is Budweiser...
Nonsense. You just have to look harder, look locally, or make it yourself. Making beer is a pretty good hobby -- harder than squeeze, but something a Yankee could catch on to.

good shit? what on Earth are you talking about :eek:
There's a lot of fine ales out there, especially if you take the time to have a good poke. Bath Ales do loads, as do Wychwood. Westons do loads of good drinks.

And cider. Don't for get cider.

The Sam Adams stuff is pretty good, but if you want my drink of choice, it's any form of decently made Rye Whisky, though my preferences lean towards Old Overholt. But, as for the Guinness move, I think that the St. James Gate Brewery should be maintained for historical and cultural purposes, while still moving the main brewing and bottling to the new site.

A-B has purchased some good brands without damaging the quality of the product. I expect Guinness will probably be fine.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0508/guinness.html



Pretty soon, every decent brew in the world will be purchased by Anheuser-Busch, and we'll see everything turned into the mediocrity that is Budweiser...

Oh gods, no! OH NOESS! Not piss tasting beer! No. American beer tastes like camel piss (not that I´ve ever tasted it). What with failures like Coors Light, Budweiser, Bud Light and all those in between. Gods! Tell me it isn´t so!

Leave teh Guinness alone!!!!!:mad:

good shit? what on Earth are you talking about :eek:

You know, good beer. From the UK.

Oh gods, no! OH NOESS! Not piss tasting beer! No. American beer tastes like camel piss (not that I´ve ever tasted it). What with failures like Coors Light, Budweiser, Bud Light and all those in between. Gods! Tell me it isn´t so!

Leave teh Guinness alone!!!!!:mad:

Don't drink Coors, Budweiser and such. Drink stuff from the Anchor Brewery or Stone Brewery. I hate that the only American beer anyone knows about is all the shitty mass marketed swill like Bud.

I've never been concerned with beer taste. I'm a vodka man. There's basically nothing they can do to mess up vodka.

And Smirnoff Ice doesn't count, because that's really just improving artificial flavored water by adding vodka. Not the vodka's fault, is it?

I've never been concerned with beer taste. I'm a vodka man. There's basically nothing they can do to mess up vodka.

And Smirnoff Ice doesn't count, because that's really just improving artificial flavored water by adding vodka. Not the vodka's fault, is it?

You say there's nothing they can do to mess up vodka?

http://218.207.112.2/98/jbtj/3.files/image017.jpg

I think the above says otherwise...

I'm all fine with my Cornish Cider Farm Scrumpy (best cider based drink in the west.. though as for the rest of our ciders... i've drunk better tasting mouthwash)

St Austell Ales Tribute is a nice pint as is a Skinners Betty Stoggs or Pirates Ale...

I really like Wetherspoons who keep switching between fine London and Northern Ales.. i really should start remembering names.

as for Guiness as long as it tastes the same or better, i dont rightly care.

You say there's nothing they can do to mess up vodka?

http://218.207.112.2/98/jbtj/3.files/image017.jpg

I think the above says otherwise...

I´m not much of a vodka fan. I had something called vodka Iganoff one time and it tasted awful so I guess anything can be done to mess vodka up.

http://artruch.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/vodka.jpg

You say there's nothing they can do to mess up vodka?

http://218.207.112.2/98/jbtj/3.files/image017.jpg

I think the above says otherwise...

I don't think so. Popov is a decent, cheap vodka with a plastic bottle. Useful for situations where people might be knocking the bottle over (i.e, drinking).

There are good vodkas and bad vodkas, but it's never that much of a difference between them. Not like with Guinness and say, Budweiser. Certainly not insofar as taste goes. I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever been surprised by the taste of a vodka. No one ever goes "Damn, now that vodka is going to taste bad" either. It can't taste any worse than vodka. Unlike beer, which can and often does taste like sweaty plumber's asshole.

I´m not much of a vodka fan. I had something called vodka Iganoff one time and it tasted awful so I guess anything can be done to mess vodka up.


I find that with booze, you usually get what you pay for.

This:
http://www.anchorbrewing.com/images/porter_bottle.jpg is a lot more expensive than this:

http://miamiadguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/coors.jpg

but the first tastes so much better.

I don't think so. Popov is a decent, cheap vodka with a plastic bottle. Useful for situations where people might be knocking the bottle over (i.e, drinking).

There are good vodkas and bad vodkas, but it's never that much of a difference between them. Not like with Guinness and say, Budweiser. Certainly not insofar as taste goes. I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever been surprised by the taste of a vodka. No one ever goes "Damn, now that vodka is going to taste bad" either. It can't taste any worse than vodka. Unlike beer, which can and often does taste like sweaty plumber's asshole.

I really don't think so. I've had Popov. It's terrible terrible stuff. It doesn't even taste okay mixed into things, even weakly.

budweiser mediocre? you give it too much credit. it's fucking pish.

Saint Arnold's is one of the best around Texas.
Also one of the few beers around Texas you can buy that isn't pasteurized, some of the more crazy(hippies i think) euros i have met have refused anything pasteurized(at least in the US).

I find that with booze, you usually get what you pay for.

This:
http://www.anchorbrewing.com/images/porter_bottle.jpg is a lot more expensive than this:

http://miamiadguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/coors.jpg

but the first tastes so much better.

I don´t tend to drink beer, but yes, what you say is correct. It´s not the same drinking a good Guinness than to drink Labatt Blue.:D

I really don't think so. I've had Popov. It's terrible terrible stuff.

That's because it has a reputation as such. Psychosomatic response justifying pre-conceived bias. Proves nothing!

There are some interesting studies with regards to this, blind taste testing. I bet you'd be surprised once the labels are forgotten.

It doesn't even taste okay mixed into things, even weakly.

Vodka isn't for everyone. :p

Don't drink Coors, Budweiser and such. Drink stuff from the Anchor Brewery or Stone Brewery. I hate that the only American beer anyone knows about is all the shitty mass marketed swill like Bud.

Welcome to my world. I used to mock people who would come in and order a Coors Light. The place I worked at has 112 taps, 450 bottled beers, and you're going to order a fucking Coors Light?

Mind you, most of the equivalents I could sell the Coors Light lovers on were from Europe (Specifically, Czechvar/Budvar)

BRILLIANT!!!




...as limberger hats, lol...



Ill take a Sam Adams anyway, lol

I really don't think so. I've had Popov. It's terrible terrible stuff. It doesn't even taste okay mixed into things, even weakly.

nobody's had bad vodka til they've tried Rachmaninov. the hangover that gives starts as soon as the vapour hits your nostrels. vodka is not supposed to give hangovers. that stuff is probably pure methanol or aldehydes or just bleached piss, i don't know. but it is evil. good vodka is clean and smooth and not chemical or cloying. the best vodkas i've tried are polish vodkas, also some good flavoured ones infused with herbs and whatnot. best flavoured commercial one i had is probably Zubrowka flavoured with bison grass. but the best by far have been home made. a friend of mine had a bottle he brought from home flavoured with like 10 different herbs. it was 85% but you wouldn't know it was that smooth and yummy. he put a bit on a table spoon and lit it and it burned for a good 15 minutes. a good measure of that makes you feel fantastic til you stand up then you realise how fucking potent it is.

This is why I drink wine.