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Hello,

I have a possible job opportunity in Ireland, to work for a major global company.
After browsing the Web for a while, I'm coming to the conclusion that living in Dublin is far from being cheap, especially when it comes to housing. Therefore, it's getting difficult for me to extrapolate salary requirements; for instance, if I index my current salary (which is quite adequate to market values) to the minimum wage, I'll come to the conclusion that the monthly equivalent would be three minimum wages.
My questions: how hard is it to live in Dublin with two minimum wages? Can you share your experience about living and working in Ireland? How hard is the housing on the budget, given that my girlfriend will be joining me and I have no intentions of sharing a flat?


Thanks :)

Hello,

I have a possible job opportunity in Ireland, to work for a major global company.
After browsing the Web for a while, I'm coming to the conclusion that living in Dublin is far from being cheap, especially when it comes to housing.

O yeah. Then theres everything fucking else...... Rent is still fairly high though house prices are on the way down. You'd want to narrow down where in Dublin you plan on working/living for a decent answer though. And how long you're prepared to commute.



Therefore, it's getting difficult for me to extrapolate salary requirements; for instance, if I index my current salary (which is quite adequate to market values) to the minimum wage, I'll come to the conclusion that the monthly equivalent would be three minimum wages.
My questions: how hard is it to live in Dublin with two minimum wages? Can you share your experience about living and working in Ireland? How hard is the housing on the budget, given that my girlfriend will be joining me and I have no intentions of sharing a flat?
Thanks :)

Because I'm on a day off work, my brain refuses to process that kind of thing, which is why I have to ask if you mean you'll be on two/three times the minimum wage.

Everything in Ireland is expensive. EVERYTHING. It's not called the Rip-Off Republic for nothing.

O yeah. Then theres everything fucking else...... Rent is still fairly high though house prices are on the way down. You'd want to narrow down where in Dublin you plan on working/living for a decent answer though. And how long you're prepared to commute.




Because I'm on a day off work, my brain refuses to process that kind of thing, which is why I have to ask if you mean you'll be on two/three times the minimum wage.

he is saying that while he is in Ireland he will make 2 or 3 times the minimum wage of Ireland. Is that reasonable to survive off of ?

to the OP what is your job and perhaps one of these Irish Gents could tell you how much you can expect to make doing that job in Ireland and if it is worth coming over at that pay rate.

Thanks for the clear up greed. Perhaps I should clear up the post: I was just interested in hearing opinions from people living and working in Dublin. We're not in a salary proposal stage yet, but I've been browsing salary listings and flat rental ads, and just wanted to get a feel.
If you need an example to contextualize your opinion, how streched are you if you pay 1K€ for housing and earn 35K€/year? (yes, it obviously depends on your lifestyle, but please generalize for the sake of simplicity)


Thanks for the input :)

In that case hes on the pigs back, so to speak.

Thanks for the clear up greed. Perhaps I should clear up the post: I was just interested in hearing opinions from people living and working in Dublin. We're not in a salary proposal stage yet, but I've been browsing salary listings and flat rental ads, and just wanted to get a feel.
If you need an example to contextualize your opinion, how streched are you if you pay 1K€ for housing and earn 35K€/year? (yes, it obviously depends on your lifestyle, but please generalize for the sake of simplicity)


Thanks for the input :)

1.2-1.4 k per month would be about right for rent, as theres the two of you (750 each). You'd be fine, as long as you don't go banannas.

Hello,

I have a possible job opportunity in Ireland, to work for a major global company.


Afaik, living in Ireland is a lot cheaper than living in Italy (both about income taxation and consumer prices). Have you considered living in the outskirts of Dublin instead of looking for housing in the city? I hear that the DART is quite good.

If living in Dublin is going to be too expensive then just kill everyone there. With no one left in town they won't be able to overcharge you for for anything or charge you for anything.

Thanks for the clear up greed. Perhaps I should clear up the post: I was just interested in hearing opinions from people living and working in Dublin. We're not in a salary proposal stage yet, but I've been browsing salary listings and flat rental ads, and just wanted to get a feel.
If you need an example to contextualize your opinion, how streched are you if you pay 1K€ for housing and earn 35K€/year? (yes, it obviously depends on your lifestyle, but please generalize for the sake of simplicity)


Thanks for the input :)

Works.
I started out in Dublin 5 years ago on a salary of 22k Euros (before tax), and I got along quite fine. Mind you, on that salary you won't be able to afford a house by yourself, but a small apartment is just possible if you don't want to share.
While housing is very expensive, public transport in Dublin is extremely cheap compared to other major cities, which I found really helpful.

35kEuros a year would usually allow you a small house, and enough for a car if you want to.

If living in Dublin is going to be too expensive then just kill everyone there. With no one left in town they won't be able to overcharge you for for anything or charge you for anything.

then you create a new problem.
Where do you put all the bodies, and who helps you?
I suppose you could wear gas masks some of the time, but there'd come a moment when you'd need normal air, with all those dead, that's alot of disease that could spread.

Afaik, living in Ireland is a lot cheaper than living in Italy (both about income taxation and consumer prices). Have you considered living in the outskirts of Dublin instead of looking for housing in the city? I hear that the DART is quite good.

It is, but it does get very, very crowded during rush hours. A friend of mine got back to using the bus, even though the DART was faster. She said it felt like sardines in a tin, and she didn't really feel all that safe...

then you create a new problem.
Where do you put all the bodies, and who helps you?
I suppose you could wear gas masks some of the time, but there'd come a moment when you'd need normal air, with all those dead, that's alot of disease that could spread.

That, and ... who'll pay your wages?

....then theres the whole living off canned food and fighting off the mutants thing...Its a known cause of stress and the related illnesses....

That, and ... who'll pay your wages?
Don't need wages. Just freeze the bodies and use them as a food supply. There're a lot of people in Dublin.

Don't need wages. Just freeze the bodies and use them as a food supply. There're a lot of people in Dublin.

Yes, but have you seen them? They would make for a very unhealthy diet...

Yes, but have you seen them? They would make for a very unhealthy diet...

yes but it would be good for those cold winters.
I suppose you could sell off the bodies for medical research, the rest would have to be burned, in a massive fire.

Works.
I started out in Dublin 5 years ago on a salary of 22k Euros (before tax), and I got along quite fine. Mind you, on that salary you won't be able to afford a house by yourself, but a small apartment is just possible if you don't want to share.
While housing is very expensive, public transport in Dublin is extremely cheap compared to other major cities, which I found really helpful.

35kEuros a year would usually allow you a small house, and enough for a car if you want to.

The last time I've been on public transport, I've ended up getting a free ride. The bus driver wouldnt take euro coins, only notes and we didnt have any. In the end he was just went "Awk, just get on will'ye, but if the bus inspector gets on, you'll have to hop off." I was sitting up near the front and I swear he did that to at least 4 other passengers. Ever get the feeling that while the republic has moved on to captilism, not all it's citizens have caught up with the idea. :p

Don't need wages. Just freeze the bodies and use them as a food supply. There're a lot of people in Dublin.

To be honest, an awful lot of them would be inedible.

I suppose you could sell off the bodies for medical research,.

No, theres a chipper in limerick that would take them off your hands quicker....

The last time I've been on public transport, I've ended up getting a free ride. The bus driver wouldnt take euro coins, only notes and we didnt have any. In the end he was just went "Awk, just get on will'ye, but if the bus inspector gets on, you'll have to hop off." I was sitting up near the front and I swear he did that to at least 4 other passengers. Ever get the feeling that while the republic has moved on to captilism, not all it's citizens have caught up with the idea. :p

A Dublin Bus driver? Not taking coins? That doesn't make any sense, they can't take notes in their system, only coins... :confused:

And I've often seen them take people for free, they're not too fussed about the money :)

Works.
I started out in Dublin 5 years ago on a salary of 22k Euros (before tax), and I got along quite fine. Mind you, on that salary you won't be able to afford a house by yourself, but a small apartment is just possible if you don't want to share.
While housing is very expensive, public transport in Dublin is extremely cheap compared to other major cities, which I found really helpful.

35kEuros a year would usually allow you a small house, and enough for a car if you want to.

Thanks :) I'm actually aiming at renting an apartment, so that insight is quite valuable

Afaik, living in Ireland is a lot cheaper than living in Italy (both about income taxation and consumer prices). Have you considered living in the outskirts of Dublin instead of looking for housing in the city? I hear that the DART is quite good.

Erm, income tax here is certainly lower than Italy, and wages are much higher, but consumer goods and rent are astronomically more expensive.

Also, the DART is far from good. It's just about tolerable, but certainly not good.

Erm, income tax here is certainly lower than Italy, and wages are much higher, but consumer goods and rent are astronomically more expensive.

Also, the DART is far from good. It's just about tolerable, but certainly not good.

I think your Dart would be better if you drove on the correct side of the road.

A Dublin Bus driver? Not taking coins? That doesn't make any sense, they can't take notes in their system, only coins... :confused:

And I've often seen them take people for free, they're not too fussed about the money :)

Ahh right, I must have got them confused.
Compared to up North, things seem a lot more relaxed, both money-wise and regulation-wise. I know ministers who have been pulled over for speeding while wearing their dog collars. On a couple of occasions, the garda have then put the siriens on and escorted the minister to his meeting.

Erm, income tax here is certainly lower than Italy, and wages are much higher, but consumer goods and rent are astronomically more expensive.

More than Milan? That's my paragon...
Apartament for sale in a lower-class peripheric zone: 300k€ for less than 70 square metres, third floor and no lift, no garage either.
Apartament for sale in a mid-class peripheric zone: 6 k€/square metre.
Loft for sale in a formerly lower-class semi-central zone, now near one of the fashion districts: 40 square metres, 7th floor, no lift, no garage, refurbishment needed, 170k€ last year.
And I'm not even considering anything in the centre, mind you.
Rents start from about 600€/month for 30 square metres in peripheral zones (no garage of course).

Living in a rich fashion capital sucks sometimes.

Also, the DART is far from good. It's just about tolerable, but certainly not good.
My almost-sister-in-law got to compare the DART with Milan Metro two years ago and the result was in favour of the DART, both about speed, crowding and smell.

Have you considered living in the outskirts of Dublin instead of looking for housing in the city? I hear that the DART is quite good.

This.

Thanks :) I'm actually aiming at renting an apartment, so that insight is quite valuable

Dublin is a good place to live and work by and large.

Rent is expensive and public transport is hit and miss. If you are living near the LUAS light rail system or near a QBC (quality bus corridor) you are laughing.

Where is work?

Bear in mind it is a city of 1.5m people, so is a nice size in terms of cultural activity, there is some great food to be had and the pub scene is the best in the world. There are a number of different paces you can go at.

More than Milan? That's my paragon...
Apartament for sale in a lower-class peripheric zone: 300k€ for less than 70 square metres, third floor and no lift, no garage either.
Apartament for sale in a mid-class peripheric zone: 6 k€/square metre.
Loft for sale in a formerly lower-class semi-central zone, now near one of the fashion districts: 40 square metres, 7th floor, no lift, no garage, refurbishment needed, 170k€ last year.
And I'm not even considering anything in the centre, mind you.
Rents start from about 600€/month for 30 square metres in peripheral zones (no garage of course).

Living in a rich fashion capital sucks sometimes.


But at least you know what you're getting screwed for. With Dublin you do wonder.

That being said, the house price thing is dropping so presumably rents will reach a sane level eventually.

But at least you know what you're getting screwed for. With Dublin you do wonder.

That being said, the house price thing is dropping so presumably rents will reach a sane level eventually.

I'm renting in an apartment right now. Because no one is yet buying houses (still waiting for the prices to drop a leetle bit more), everyone is renting..... which is pushing the prices up/holding them steady.

As for the OP - living on the North side of the city will be cheaper, either renting or buying. Or living South of the City, but more in the south of the county itself.

Living on the coast will have you in close proximity to the DART. Despite people grumbling, the bus service is quite comparable to other major European cities and in my own travelling experience - it isn't that bad
:)

On some main routes like the 15/48 its quite good allright. You'd have a major pain in the bollox with some of the 'off peak'times on some other routes....The 65 in particular gets on me wick....As for how it compares with our European counterparts I can't comment.

But at least you know what you're getting screwed for. With Dublin you do wonder.
Oh. Too bad. Another myth has been busted.

...hey, wait. Redheads and Guinness!

That being said, the house price thing is dropping so presumably rents will reach a sane level eventually.
Sanity is a thing. House market is another.

Thanks for all the input so far :)
The opportunity is still at an early stage, but it's quite a good one. Despite not having any salary proposal yet, I became concerned when I indexed my current salary to my country's minimum wage, and realised that I'd have to earn reasonably more than what was tipically offered in several job postings for a similar role, for the ratio to match.
But this is quite a rough estimate, because the minimum wage where I live won't get you far (at all!) and it may be otherwise in Ireland. That's what I've been trying to get a feel here :) By the way, I calculated Ireland's minimum annual salary like this 8.65€ x 8 hours x 22 days x 14 months, which amounts to 21313€, is this correct at all?

Thanks for all the input so far :)
The opportunity is still at an early stage, but it's quite a good one. Despite not having any salary proposal yet, I became concerned when I indexed my current salary to my country's minimum wage, and realised that I'd have to earn reasonably more than what was tipically offered in several job postings for a similar role, for the ratio to match.
But this is quite a rough estimate, because the minimum wage where I live won't get you far (at all!) and it may be otherwise in Ireland. That's what I've been trying to get a feel here :) By the way, I calculated Ireland's minimum annual salary like this 8.65€ x 8 hours x 22 days x 14 months, which amounts to 21313€, is this correct at all?

((8.65x8)x7)x55 might give you a better example. Anual salary = 12 months but its safer to go with 55 weeks. So the above is ((wagexhours)xdays)x weeks which gives you anual pre tax salary

in this case 26,642 Euro before tax

OOPS ignore that figure above.. no one works 7 days a week normally so it skewed the wage figure i came out with.

The correct calculation is ((8.65x8)x5)x55=19,030 Euro. Thats the wages for 40 hours worked (per week), before tax and not allowing for any overtime worked or bonuses.

Thanks for all the input so far :)
The opportunity is still at an early stage, but it's quite a good one. Despite not having any salary proposal yet, I became concerned when I indexed my current salary to my country's minimum wage, and realised that I'd have to earn reasonably more than what was tipically offered in several job postings for a similar role, for the ratio to match.
But this is quite a rough estimate, because the minimum wage where I live won't get you far (at all!) and it may be otherwise in Ireland. That's what I've been trying to get a feel here :) By the way, I calculated Ireland's minimum annual salary like this 8.65€ x 8 hours x 22 days x 14 months, which amounts to 21313€, is this correct at all?

Ok, first post you said you were working for major global company - and now you're saying you may be getting min. wage with this?

In Ireland min wage is normal for bar, hotel, coffee shop, shop counter staff - work of that ilk. (People still can and do live on that - I've been there)
I'm doubting this major global company is going to screw you over, unless it's some sort of internship. A salary of anything over 22k net, would be comfortable enough if you're that worried.

I'm not getting the minimum wage, I was just using it as an indexing value to roughly compare life cost between countries.

((8.65x8)x7)x55 might give you a better example. Anual salary = 12 months but its safer to go with 55 weeks. So the above is ((wagexhours)xdays)x weeks which gives you anual pre tax salary

in this case 26,642 Euro before tax

OOPS ignore that figure above.. no one works 7 days a week normally so it skewed the wage figure i came out with.

The correct calculation is ((8.65x8)x5)x55=19,030 Euro. Thats the wages for 40 hours worked (per week), before tax and not allowing for any overtime worked or bonuses.

Is minimum wage taxed?

Don't think so....

Train service is adequate, though imo some stations are totally over served e.g. Howth. The bus service is a complete and utter joke, often they turn up late if at all, the timetables are inaccurate and bus drivers can, in general, be extremely ignorant.

Ireland is headed for a recession if thats of any interest to you. But meh, suburbs are good for more affordable accommodation. For example, places around Maynooth have fairly good rates. You could check out Smithfield too, thats in Dublin too, don't know the rates but it could be reasonable there.

Dublin itself has a great mixture of different cultures, there are plenty of restaurants, many of which are quite expensive, pubs are ok too.

How hard is the housing on the budget, given that my girlfriend will be joining me and I have no intentions of sharing a flat?


Thanks :)

will your girlfriend be working as well? cos obviously that'd help...

Yes, obviously, it would, she'll be working there too