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Hello,

I am a horse lover, but even if your not, you must care about this.

Just today a filly named Eight Belles, broke her 2 ankles and was put down. She is not the only if you remember Barbaro, who broke his leg and died after a few months. Horse racing is cruel, making a horse run so hard and long, that they may and do break something. This is cruel, would you like to run till you break something, NO. So I think racing should be illegal because it is cruel. Many of you who don't like torture, racing is torture also. So, do you think it should be illegal or legal. But think hard. But I have been thinking, some of your comments have helped. We don't have to make it illegal but, we could make sure the horses are not ran as hard or as much and can retire at earlier ages. And now to talk to you about horses running in the wild. Horses running in the wild, are CHOOSING, to run, and they do not run until they break something. They run for fun, but not like we make them do in racing. And those that say they are bred for it, they are, but they are still horses, the same shape as all other horses. And yes, the horses in racing do get put down, just because they can not run a few months.

Shouldn't this go in NSG? Either way, I think Horse Racing should be legal.

Shouldn't this go in NSG? Either way, I think Horse Racing should be legal.

Ok so you want to run ok.*puts bridle, saddle and sits on, whips and makes run a mile as fast as can go, no stopping, on 4 legs*so how you feel now, oops you broke something!!

yeah I suppose it is a tad cruel and I can't really see any argument why it should be kept around

I would rather the public just stop taking part in horse racing myself rather than have an outright ban

Hello,

I am a horse lover, but even if your not, you must care about this.

Just today a filly named Eight Belles, broke her 2 ankles and was put down. She is not the only if you remember Barbaro, who broke his leg and died after a few months. Horse racing is cruel, making a horse run so hard and long, that they may and do break something. This is cruel, would you like to run till you break something, NO. So I think racing should be illegal because it is cruel. Many of you who don't like torture, racing is torture also. So, do you think it should be illegal or legal. But think hard.

hmmm... I recall several documentaries where they show Wild Horses running for the thrill of it.

so I don't think running a race is harder on the horse than running on uneven, rocky terrain.

even asphalt is softer than most rocks that horses run on.

and why concentrate on racing. what of the steeple chase? the course that requires the horse to run and jump over obsticals? why are you not complaining about that?

and why concentrate on racing. what of the steeple chase? the course that requires the horse to run and jump over obsticals? why are you not complaining about that?

Because that's not what the cool kids who wouldn't let me sit at their lunch table are doing!

Horse racing should be legal. Putting them down because they can't race for a few months should be illegal. Not to mention a waste of money. *Grumbles*

horses in nature will run until they break their ankles. horses like to run more so the races horses bred for running.

Hello,

I am a horse lover, but even if your not, you must care about this.

Just today a filly named Eight Belles, broke her 2 ankles and was put down. She is not the only if you remember Barbaro, who broke his leg and died after a few months. Horse racing is cruel, making a horse run so hard and long, that they may and do break something. This is cruel, would you like to run till you break something, NO. So I think racing should be illegal because it is cruel. Many of you who don't like torture, racing is torture also. So, do you think it should be illegal or legal. But think hard.

This reminds me of those people here in Spain that want to outlaw bull fighting.

Whereas as horse racing is cruel as is bull fighting, I don´t think it´s a matter of making it illegal. I think it´s more of devising more humane ways of treating the animals.

Like, don´t race the horses to the breaking point. Retire them after a certain amount of races. And if a horse breaks a leg, don´t put it down. Again, retire it or give it up to farms where people can take care of them.

The horse wasn't put down because it couldn't race for a few months, it was in pain, and there wasn't really much they could do, so they decided to put it down.

As to the subject, I think it should be kept legal. I was watching today and the same thoughts ran through my head, but there are many other cruel things that are legal, such as fur, factory farming and the like. In the grand scheme, most racing horses are trained, race for a while, and then stud for the rest of their lives. It's really not a bad gig.

Humans use animals for many things, and I'd bet that million dollar horses are actually treated much better than most domesticated animals.

I don't think horse racing should be illegal, but i do think the horses should be treated well, and if injured should go to a vets or hospice rather than being killed for no reason.

The horse wasn't put down because it couldn't race for a few months, it was in pain, and there wasn't really much they could do, so they decided to put it down.

As to the subject, I think it should be kept legal. I was watching today and the same thoughts ran through my head, but there are many other cruel things that are legal, such as fur, factory farming and the like. In the grand scheme, most racing horses are trained, race for a while, and then stud for the rest of their lives. It's really not a bad gig.

Humans use animals for many things, and I'd bet that million dollar horses are actually treated much better than most domesticated animals.

yeah these people are trying to outlaw racing I am trying to find out where to sign up to be a race horse next life.

Racing in itself isn't cruel, horses run in the wild just cause they feel like it. I do feel they should get taken care of well, though, and when they get old, they should be able to retire to a farm or something with plenty of space for them.

However, this really isn't that important of an issue, in the grand scheme of things.

I don't think horse racing should be illegal, but i do think the horses should be treated well, and if injured should go to a vets or hospice rather than being killed for no reason.

Again, I'd like to point out that these horses are not euthanized for no reason. They are generally cared for as well as possible, and in the case of Barbaro, he was only euthanized after several surgeries, when the owners realized that it was unlikely he could live a life without pain.

Horse breeding is a HUGE business, and winners, especially of races like the Kentucky Derby, are sold for big bucks to basically spend the rest of their lives fucking (Barbaro, had he lived, was worth around 30 million dollars). I assure you, they don't just euthanize these horses because they can't race.

the horse is put down because it is very unlikely to survive.

horse racing should remain legal but there needs to be more oversight in the smaller race venues to prevent various forms of doping and shocking the horses.

Hello,

I am a horse lover, but even if your not, you must care about this.

Just today a filly named Eight Belles, broke her 2 ankles and was put down. She is not the only if you remember Barbaro, who broke his leg and died after a few months. Horse racing is cruel, making a horse run so hard and long, that they may and do break something. This is cruel, would you like to run till you break something, NO. So I think racing should be illegal because it is cruel. Many of you who don't like torture, racing is torture also. So, do you think it should be illegal or legal. But think hard.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. funny joke, oh wait......WTF?

first off, horses love to run, it's a major part of a horse being happy is it getting to run.
Second, what happened today was tragic, and an accident, but nothing more, the horse was not 'run until it broke something', any sensible owner wants a good horse like eight bells to survive so he/she can be used for stud. (for those of you who don't know, that's where most of the money is in horse racing). Also, a horse breaking a leg and having to be put down is a very rare event. Think of all the horse races run by derby class horses each day, yet alone each year. Only two of these have ended in life ending injuries for a horse.

on a completly unrealted note, do you eat meat? Wear fur? leather? Those animals have much worse lives and a much smaller survival percentage compared to race horses.

hmmm... I recall several documentaries where they show Wild Horses running for the thrill of it.

so I don't think running a race is harder on the horse than running on uneven, rocky terrain.

even asphalt is softer than most rocks that horses run on.

and why concentrate on racing. what of the steeple chase? the course that requires the horse to run and jump over obsticals? why are you not complaining about that?

Good point about the Steeply chase. But when horses run for the fun of it, they don't hurt themselves and die, do they. We FORCE the horse to run, and horses run are a loping gallop in the wild, not a fast run, get your facts straight.

hmmm... I recall several documentaries where they show Wild Horses running for the thrill of it.

so I don't think running a race is harder on the horse than running on uneven, rocky terrain.

even asphalt is softer than most rocks that horses run on.

and why concentrate on racing. what of the steeple chase? the course that requires the horse to run and jump over obsticals? why are you not complaining about that?

Rolling squid;13666075']HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. funny joke, oh wait......WTF?

first off, horses love to run, it's a major part of a horse being happy is it getting to run.
Second, what happened today was tragic, and an accident, but nothing more, the horse was not 'run until it broke something', any sensible owner wants a good horse like eight bells to survive so he/she can be used for stud. (for those of you who don't know, that's where most of the money is in horse racing). Also, a horse breaking a leg and having to be put down is a very rare event. Think of all the horse races run by derby class horses each day, yet alone each year. Only two of these have ended in life ending injuries for a horse.


The horse is ran more, and harder then, the horse normally would in the wild, DUH, Do you even ride horse, train them, cause I do!!

The horse is ran more, and harder then, the horse normally would in the wild, DUH, Do you even ride horse, train them, cause I do!!

So you participate in this torture that you dislike? I'm a bit confused.

So you participate in this torture that you dislike? I'm a bit confused.

No riding is not torture. Horses are not ran hard, and are well trained, they also like to be ridden for a WHILE. And training and riding is good mental work, like grazing is. But running is ok, but racing is to MUCH on a horse!!

Horse racing should be legal. Putting them down because they can't race for a few months should be illegal. Not to mention a waste of money. *Grumbles*

i do think the horses should be treated well, and if injured should go to a vets or hospice rather than being killed for no reason.

They're put down because once they've broken a leg badly enough, it will never heal and will keep breaking, leaving the animal in agony. It's considered kinder to put it out of its misery -- at a huge loss to its owners.

No riding is not torture. Horses are not ran hard, and are well trained, they also like to be ridden for a WHILE. And training and riding is good mental work, like grazing is. But running is ok, but racing is to MUCH on a horse!!

So basically, it's ok to force a horse to carry people around on its back, train it (that is, override its natural instincts to make it do what you want it to do), tie it up to keep it from running free, put it into a fenced in area to keep it from running free, make it completely dependent on you for survival, maybe teach it to do tricks... but riding it fast, something it likes to do, is evil?

Maybe you should think this through again.

No riding is not torture. Horses are not ran hard, and are well trained, they also like to be ridden for a WHILE. And training and riding is good mental work, like grazing is. But running is ok, but racing is to MUCH on a horse!!

Ok, that's fair, but the number is quite low compared to the number of races there are every year. Maybe some regulations should be put into place, but people will always want a faster horse. I still think it's rather minor compared to other animal related abuse.

broken ankle? Sounds like horses need to stop being such pussys that they have to die after something like that. Walk it off, horses, walk it off.

They're put down because once they've broken a leg badly enough, it will never heal and will keep breaking, leaving the animal in agony. It's considered kinder to put it out of its misery -- at a huge loss to its owners.

The loss occurs when the horse breaks a leg. After that, it will never be as good a racing horse as it was, probably will never race again.

Keeping the horse alive when it can't earn the owner money by racing or breeding (an option if the break isn't too bad and the horse hasn't been gelded) would cost a lot more than putting it down.

Bringing us to the crux of what's wrong with horse-racing: it's all about the money.

Like, don´t race the horses to the breaking point. Retire them after a certain amount of races. And if a horse breaks a leg, don´t put it down. Again, retire it or give it up to farms where people can take care of them.

they do retire them after a number of races and after they are retired all they do is stud... basically eat have fornicate.

horse don't just get shot for a broken leg anymore that was so 100 years ago. now even a half decent race horse makes good money for the owner studding.
the reason they put down a horse is when the break is so severe that the horse will be in constant agony for the rest of its life. and the owner loses a very large amount of money by doing the right thing instead of trying to stud a lame horse.

The loss occurs when the horse breaks a leg. After that, it will never be as good a racing horse as it was, probably will never race again.

Keeping the horse alive when it can't earn the owner money by racing or breeding (an option if the break isn't too bad and the horse hasn't been gelded) would cost a lot more than putting it down.

Bringing us to the crux of what's wrong with horse-racing: it's all about the money.

Even with a broken leg that's mended, can't a horse be sent to stud? that's where most of the money is made, actually.

Keeping the horse alive when it can't earn the owner money by racing or breeding (an option if the break isn't too bad and the horse hasn't been gelded) would cost a lot more than putting it down.

Bringing us to the crux of what's wrong with horse-racing: it's all about the money.

I disagree a owner could keep a horse alive for studding and make large amount of money off it, if he didn't care about the pain the animal would suffer.

Even with a broken leg that's mended, can't a horse be sent to stud? that's where most of the money is made, actually.

Depends on the break some breaks happen in a way that the horses bone will re break for the rest of its life. That is currently the only accepted reason to put a animal down for a break in the racing community. thats why there are few races horses put down.

Bringing us to the crux of what's wrong with horse-racing: it's all about the money.

Even though I disagree, could you not make this claim about any sport?

Even though I disagree, could you not make this claim about any sport?

I believe the difference would be other sports are played by willing participants and not animals lacking the ability to consent.

I don't really care about horse racing. I know a lot of money changes hands through gambling, race winnings, horse trading, and stud fees due to the sport.

Horse racing has been a part of human history ever since the second horse was tamed. This event has no meaning in the grand scheme of things. Aren't there bigger concerns? Anyway, horse racing is slowly fading from the scene. Many racecourses have shut down across the US due to low attendance (according to NPR).

Now, I'd be interested in a retired greyhound more than a retired race horse.

I believe the difference would be other sports are played by willing participants and not animals lacking the ability to consent.

I guess, but I think you could make a case that sports like baseball or wrestling have ruined as many people as horse racing has horses. Also, horse racing has rules and regulations like any other sport. Growing up around horse racing people, I know that there are many people who care deeply for these horses and their health.

EDIT:Also we don't seem to care about consent for the millions of other things we use animals for, why is this an exception?

Rolling squid;13666075']HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. funny joke, oh wait......WTF?

first off, horses love to run, it's a major part of a horse being happy is it getting to run.
Second, what happened today was tragic, and an accident, but nothing more, the horse was not 'run until it broke something', any sensible owner wants a good horse like eight bells to survive so he/she can be used for stud. (for those of you who don't know, that's where most of the money is in horse racing). Also, a horse breaking a leg and having to be put down is a very rare event. Think of all the horse races run by derby class horses each day, yet alone each year. Only two of these have ended in life ending injuries for a horse.

on a completly unrealted note, do you eat meat? Wear fur? leather? Those animals have much worse lives and a much smaller survival percentage compared to race horses.

^ This.

And Wundertat, I've seen actual wild horses on the remaining wild prairies here in North Dakota. They run fast. Very fast. So you need to relax and get off your own high horse and realize that most racers are treated very well.

I believe the difference would be other sports are played by willing participants and not animals lacking the ability to consent.

you have not been around horses. they race each other all the time. Also if you've been to the races ever now and again you will see the line up change that is normally because a horse has made it know it does not want to race today.

Hello,

I am a horse lover, but even if your not, you must care about this.

I'm just going to reply to this sentence as it is far more interesting than the actual topic. I've never been attracted to horses myself, but I happy for consenting adults to do what they wish. I'm glad you feel comfortable with yourself and are able to talk about it with others, perhaps one day human/animal relationships will become more accepted.

I'm just going to reply to this sentence as it is far more interesting than the actual topic. I've never been attracted to horses myself, but I happy for consenting adults to do what they wish. I'm glad you feel comfortable with yourself and are able to talk about it with others, perhaps one day human/animal relationships will become more accepted.

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Well, it's better than molesting poor little bunny-rabbits I guess. Firstly, if the horse isn't consenting they could kick your gonads into orbit. Secondly ... they might not even notice!

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Well, it's better than molesting poor little bunny-rabbits I guess. Firstly, if the horse isn't consenting they could kick your gonads into orbit. Secondly ... they might not even notice!

I jest, really. I just read that sentence and laughed, then the rest of the OP disappointed.

The horse is ran more, and harder then, the horse normally would in the wild, DUH, Do you even ride horse, train them, cause I do!!

yes, my family trains and races horses. Now, you've obviously never seen a horse race, or been near a horse that just raced. The horse (especially if it wins) is pumped, and usually wants to keep running. Again, I reiterate my point that owners do everything in their power to keep their horses healthy and alive so they can be used for stud.

In conclusion, the basic life style of a race horse is a bit like this: live in nice stable, get trained to race, race, have lots of sex.

Also, are you a vegetarian?

yeah these people are trying to outlaw racing I am trying to find out where to sign up to be a race horse next life.

Yeah. It would be nice to be put out to pasture with lots of members of the opposite sex, plenty to eat, a nice warm, clean stall at night and only the occasional requirement of producing new horses. Although, that's only for winners.

Guess where the losers go.

So basically, it's ok to force a horse to carry people around on its back, train it (that is, override its natural instincts to make it do what you want it to do), tie it up to keep it from running free, put it into a fenced in area to keep it from running free, make it completely dependent on you for survival, maybe teach it to do tricks... but riding it fast, something it likes to do, is evil?

Maybe you should think this through again.

Yeah, do you know anything about horses, I think not. Riding helps a horse mentally. And most horse people put their horses in a large field, very close to a perfect valley, you might see in the wild. And the reason horses depend on us is we have bred them so much, they have no instincts for survival. And racing is very cruel, rarely do you ever see a horse break its leg being ridden correctly, RARELY. And horses like the companionship of a human, like one of the horses I trained, she had no horse friends so she always ran to me. She WANTED to be ridden, and she rubbed her head and softly nibbled of my fingers which is how a horse shows love. Now she has horse friends and is ridden less often. She is a happy horse, since she came from a place were they didn't feed her, she understands if she does the work, everything will be good. When you ride horses and they lift their tail, guess what that means, they like it, dee dee dee, Now if you every have been trained how to ride and train a horse then you would know these things, but it seems you have not, so sad, it is a wonderful experience to be a partner with a horse.

Guess where the losers go.

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why does it matter? A horse is no better than a cow or pig, who lead much worse lives and have similar fates.

This reminds me of those people here in Spain that want to outlaw bull fighting.

Whereas as horse racing is cruel as is bull fighting, I don´t think it´s a matter of making it illegal. I think it´s more of devising more humane ways of treating the animals.

Like, don´t race the horses to the breaking point. Retire them after a certain amount of races. And if a horse breaks a leg, don´t put it down. Again, retire it or give it up to farms where people can take care of them.
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I'm just going to reply to this sentence as it is far more interesting than the actual topic. I've never been attracted to horses myself, but I happy for consenting adults to do what they wish. I'm glad you feel comfortable with yourself and are able to talk about it with others, perhaps one day human/animal relationships will become more accepted.

LMAO

Yeah, do you know anything about horses, I think not. Riding helps a horse mentally. And most horse people put their horses in a large field, very close to a perfect valley, you might see in the wild. And the reason horses depend on us is we have bred them so much, they have no instincts for survival. And racing is very cruel, rarely do you ever see a horse break its leg being ridden correctly, RARELY. And horses like the companionship of a human, like one of the horses I trained, she had no horse friends so she always ran to me. She WANTED to be ridden, and she rubbed her head and softly nibbled of my fingers which is how a horse shows love. Now she has horse friends and is ridden less often. She is a happy horse, since she came from a place were they didn't feed her, she understands if she does the work, everything will be good. When you ride horses and they lift their tail, guess what that means, they like it, dee dee dee, Now if you every have been trained how to ride and train a horse then you would know these things, but it seems you have not, so sad, it is a wonderful experience to be a partner with a horse.

One wonders if you have ever seen race horses. How do you know they don't want to race or be ridden?

There's also so much sexual innuendo hidden here, somebody just Has to make fun of it.

There will always be a segment of any society which will wish to change the views of their fellow persons to more closely resemble their own, typically through methods of coercion, reason, or legislation. While such behavior seems to be a normal aspect of the human beast, higher reasoning would tend to place such an embrace of the practice as being truly barbaric. Isn't it ironic though, that those which profess such faculties as higher reasoning are most often (and most visibly) the ones which seem to wish an alteration in the views of their fellow persons?

I guess hypocrisy is a normal aspect of the human beast as well.

Regarding the OP: When advocates of why an action or idea needs to be forced, one way or the other, can demonstrate their own status of being a paragon of virtue...then and only then, should they be acknowledged and considered. Anything less should be suspect despite of how proper the cause might seem.

Yeah. It would be nice to be put out to pasture with lots of members of the opposite sex, plenty to eat, a nice warm, clean stall at night and only the occasional requirement of producing new horses. Although, that's only for winners.

Guess where the losers go.

even the losers get to retire and breed. the winners can only bang so many mares and they need to keep some genetic variance.