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Italy posts income details on web

Sirmomo1
03-05-2008, 02:46
Italy posts income details on web

Italians were curious to see how much their neighbours earned

There has been outrage in Italy after the outgoing government published every Italian's declared earnings and tax contributions on the internet.

The tax authority's website was inundated by people curious to know how much their neighbours, celebrities or sports stars were making.

The Italian treasury suspended the website after a formal complaint from the country's privacy watchdog.

The information was put on the site with no warning for nearly 24 hours.

Sour grapes?

The release of the information was one of the last acts of the outgoing centre-left government and has shocked many tax-shy Italians, says the BBC's Mark Duff in Milan.

But it was also hugely popular, and within hours the site was overwhelmed and impossible to access.

The finance ministry described the move as a bid to improve transparency.

Deputy Economic Minister Vincenzo Visco said he could not understand what all the fuss was about.

"I can't understand what the problem is," he is quoted as telling Italy's Corriere della Sera newspaper.

"This already exists all around the world, you just have to watch any American soap to see that. We had the system ready by January but we delayed publication to avoid arguments during the election campaign."

But critics condemned it as an outrageous breach of privacy.

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The timing of the move, just days before the current administration hands over to incoming Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, was intriguing too, says our correspondent.

The outgoing government came to power promising to tackle Italians' notoriously lax approach to paying tax.

According to an Italian government report from 2007, the amount of unpaid tax in the country is equivalent to 7% of gross domestic product.

Some sceptics have seen the move as just end of term sour grapes, our correspondent adds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7376608.stm

I left the rather unwieldy "have your say" bit in because although this thread is obviously about how the state deals with our privacy I'd also like to ask, on a personal level, how you feel about other people knowing your salary. It's often treated as quite a private thing. How open are you/would you be about how much you earn? Does the idea of the people you know having knowledge of your magic number concern you? Why?

I think people here are more open about how much they earn - I've seen numerous references during recent economic discussions - but that may well be influenced by the relative anonymity we enjoy.
Dyakovo
03-05-2008, 02:51
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7376608.stm

I left the rather unwieldy "have your say" bit in because although this thread is obviously about how the state deals with our privacy I'd also like to ask, on a personal level, how you feel about other people knowing your salary. It's often treated as quite a private thing. How open are you/would you be about how much you earn? Does the idea of the people you know having knowledge of your magic number concern you? Why?

I think people here are more open about how much they earn - I've seen numerous references during recent economic discussions - but that may well be influenced by the relative anonymity we enjoy.

I don't really care if other people know how much I make, I would, however, have a problem with the information being made public without my knowledge.
Ecosoc
03-05-2008, 02:55
I'd have no problem with anyone knowing how much I make.

In the case above though, I'd be pissed at the government for making it public. I'll answer if asked, I don't want to government to answer for me.
Celtlund II
03-05-2008, 03:10
Interesting, very interesting. So, it was the "far left government" that did it. Aren't they the ones who usually holler about the right to privacy? Oh wait, they are the same ones who want to redistribute the wealth by taking away from the rich and giving to the poor. Well, I guess redistribution of wealth overcomes right to privacy in their book. Not much different than the American "Democratic Party." :mad:
Marrakech II
03-05-2008, 06:23
Interesting, very interesting. So, it was the "far left government" that did it. Aren't they the ones who usually holler about the right to privacy? Oh wait, they are the same ones who want to redistribute the wealth by taking away from the rich and giving to the poor. Well, I guess redistribution of wealth overcomes right to privacy in their book. Not much different than the American "Democratic Party." :mad:

QFT


Also reminds me of the time when I worked for Pepsico Int and they posted everyones salaries from top down in our market unit. Was interesting to see. It also wasn't repeated.
Philosopy
03-05-2008, 10:13
I would be pissed off on a monumental scale if the government posted details such as this about me.
Neu Leonstein
03-05-2008, 11:50
I have no problem with people knowing how much I make. However, it is still my decision to tell people. Not the government's, and it should be made very clear in law that this is the case. Data collection by the tax department should be designated confidential, and breach of this confidentiality should be grounds for a lawsuit.
Soheran
03-05-2008, 12:30
"far left government"

the outgoing centre-left government

Hmm... that explains a lot.
Neu Leonstein
03-05-2008, 12:35
Hmm... that explains a lot.
To be fair, it did contain a party that calls itself "communist"...:p
Andaras
03-05-2008, 12:39
To be fair, it did contain a party that calls itself "communist"...:p
Eurocommunism=/=Communism.
Call to power
03-05-2008, 12:45
I usually bitch/gloat to everyone about how much I earn if the government went about doing it I'd call it a waste of taxpayer money:p

and naturally people might start to wonder what I'm doing living with 4 disabled Great war veterans
Dyakovo
03-05-2008, 17:55
Eurocommunism=/=Communism.

Stalinism≠Communism
Fassitude
03-05-2008, 18:16
I don't see the need for hoopla. Tax returns here are public (well, the parts that give away the summation of income are at least), like almost all documents submitted to the government. If I want to find out what someone makes, I can request the information at any time. There are websites all over where I can request a credit check on someone (they are notified of it, though, if it is a credit check). Big whoop.
Fairy Tinkerbelly
03-05-2008, 19:13
I don't think i'd care about people knowing how much money i earn, they might feel sorry for me and give me more
Soyut
03-05-2008, 20:32
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7376608.stm

I left the rather unwieldy "have your say" bit in because although this thread is obviously about how the state deals with our privacy I'd also like to ask, on a personal level, how you feel about other people knowing your salary. It's often treated as quite a private thing. How open are you/would you be about how much you earn? Does the idea of the people you know having knowledge of your magic number concern you? Why?

I think people here are more open about how much they earn - I've seen numerous references during recent economic discussions - but that may well be influenced by the relative anonymity we enjoy.

That didn't really happen, did it? Nobody is that insane.
Gravlen
03-05-2008, 21:03
That didn't really happen, did it? Nobody is that insane.

Why do you think that's insane?
Fassitude
03-05-2008, 21:46
Why do you think that's insane?

Yeah, it's funny (not "haha") how people in countries with poor government transparencies and no proper equivalents to an "offentlighetprincip" think it's "insane" with open government. :\