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When do the issues get to point where they're not issues, but just annoying? I have to say, some of the issues are getting to the point of annoying. I understand the concept of "everything is bad in some way". But everything is equally bad, nevermind which option you pick? And especially when you only get two options.
I had yet another one of these today, the Watershed down. (btw, this is not an even marginally commonly known idiom) There really is no difference in choosing either, UNLESS you are american. I have to say, sex and graphic violence is NOT the same, and if I'm bursting your bubble, I'm not very sorry. Mainly the difference deals with naturality!

The Puritans came to America, YES, but they shouldn't run it, especially considering the ramifications it's had since then.

Am I really the only one that gets pissed off by this?

When do the issues get to point where they're not issues, but just annoying? I have to say, some of the issues are getting to the point of annoying. I understand the concept of "everything is bad in some way". But everything is equally bad, nevermind which option you pick? And especially when you only get two options.
I had yet another one of these today, the Watershed down. (btw, this is not an even marginally commonly known idiom) There really is no difference in choosing either, UNLESS you are american. I have to say, sex and graphic violence is NOT the same, and if I'm bursting your bubble, I'm not very sorry. Mainly the difference deals with naturality!

The Puritans came to America, YES, but they shouldn't run it, especially considering the ramifications it's had since then.

Am I really the only one that gets pissed off by this?

Well, the point of many of the NS issues is that they're particularly difficult and there is no 'right' option - ie there are advantages and disadvantages to both or all three options. I can understand you being annoyed at the idea of two options being 'equally bad', but, when are they equally bad? Surely that's a matter of a opinion and not necesarily the outcomes having the same net negative effect. And the extent to which they have an effect is surely due to how you want to play the game and what your aims are.

In any case if you're annoyed with the issues, submit some of your own!

I simpoly dismiss issues that i feel woild have a negative effect no matter what the outcome... unless the pro of one outweighs the con.. (say a decrease in taxes but a drop in economy level)

I simpoly dismiss issues that i feel woild have a negative effect no matter what the outcome... unless the pro of one outweighs the con.. (say a decrease in taxes but a drop in economy level)

Yeah, I feel like a bit of a chicken when I dismiss issues but there are some where I genuinely don't like any of the options, even by half.

Such as the Fluoride in the Water System issue.

I dismiss that one like a...umm...

Anway, yeah I try and dismiss as few as possible but some would just screw up my ratings too much with no proper positive.

I don't really pay much attention to them, i just toss a coin or click one randomly

One of the issues I just answered had "George W. Broadside" as one of the advocates.

I've given up reading them. Since I'm only really here for the forums (well, General).

I just make sure I log in every so often to stop if disappearing.

(I tend to just select "dismiss all")

Not even a marginally known idiom? I thought it was entirely made up for the issue in hand, as a mix up of the book 'Watership Down' and the TV concept of the watershed. ie. Trying to get to utopia via proscription.

To be honest I don't remember the issue in its entirety, but I do remember the phrase 'Watershed Down'.

Besides all that, NS was envisaged as being satirical, so the whole idea is more at having a laugh at the descriptions than actually creating the perfect nation. But that was 5 years ago. Thing could have changed since then.

When do the issues get to point where they're not issues, but just annoying? I have to say, some of the issues are getting to the point of annoying. I understand the concept of "everything is bad in some way". But everything is equally bad, nevermind which option you pick? And especially when you only get two options.
I had yet another one of these today, the Watershed down. (btw, this is not an even marginally commonly known idiom) There really is no difference in choosing either, UNLESS you are american. I have to say, sex and graphic violence is NOT the same, and if I'm bursting your bubble, I'm not very sorry. Mainly the difference deals with naturality!

The Puritans came to America, YES, but they shouldn't run it, especially considering the ramifications it's had since then.

Am I really the only one that gets pissed off by this?

Just dismiss the ones that you feel have no upside.

When do the issues get to point where they're not issues, but just annoying? I have to say, some of the issues are getting to the point of annoying. I understand the concept of "everything is bad in some way". But everything is equally bad, nevermind which option you pick? And especially when you only get two options.
I had yet another one of these today, the Watershed down. (btw, this is not an even marginally commonly known idiom) There really is no difference in choosing either, UNLESS you are american. I have to say, sex and graphic violence is NOT the same, and if I'm bursting your bubble, I'm not very sorry. Mainly the difference deals with naturality!

The Puritans came to America, YES, but they shouldn't run it, especially considering the ramifications it's had since then.

Am I really the only one that gets pissed off by this?

1) The issues were written by Max Barry as well as other players, some of whom are American. Deal.

2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watershed_(television). So, not solely an American issue, either.

3) If you don't care for the issues or believe there are not enough of them, why not write one of your own? We could always use more.

:eek: Its really weird because the names of people giving there opinion are japanise 4 some reason

:confused: And i thought this was an American Site...

:eek: Its really weird because the names of people giving there opinion are japanise 4 some reason

:confused: And i thought this was an American Site...

you know, technology these days is incredible, you may be surprised to learn that people from all over the world can use the internet to talk to each other:eek: in fact, I think Max Barry is Australian, not American anyway

you know, technology these days is incredible, you may be surprised to learn that people from all over the world can use the internet to talk to each other:eek: in fact, I think Max Barry is Australian, not American anyway

^ ^
True. And the forum physically is located in the UK, so, there are at least three continents involved with this thus far.

and also, just because someone's name sounds Japanese doesn't mean they are Japanese

and also, just because someone's name sounds Japanese doesn't mean they are Japanese

Do not be silly. Part of my name is Latin, therefor I must be a Roman.

Do not be silly. Part of my name is Latin, therefor I must be a Roman.

Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.

Do not be silly. Part of my name is Latin, therefor I must be a Roman.

And the entirety of mine is Russian, obviously I'm from Russia.

My surname is both Slovak and French. Clearly I'm a self-hating chain-smoker.

When do the issues get to point where they're not issues, but just annoying? I have to say, some of the issues are getting to the point of annoying. I understand the concept of "everything is bad in some way". But everything is equally bad, nevermind which option you pick? And especially when you only get two options.
I had yet another one of these today, the Watershed down. (btw, this is not an even marginally commonly known idiom) There really is no difference in choosing either, UNLESS you are american. I have to say, sex and graphic violence is NOT the same, and if I'm bursting your bubble, I'm not very sorry. Mainly the difference deals with naturality!

The Puritans came to America, YES, but they shouldn't run it, especially considering the ramifications it's had since then.

Am I really the only one that gets pissed off by this?

You confuse me. The issues discussed in NSG are always subjective. That means there´s not right/wrong option. Only opinions backed by some sort of information or proof. But this proof might be equally erroneous as the opinion. You can´t let it get to you. Otherwise, you should abstain from posting.

You confuse me. The issues discussed in NSG are always subjective. That means there´s not right/wrong option. Only opinions backed by some sort of information or proof. But this proof might be equally erroneous as the opinion. You can´t let it get to you. Otherwise, you should abstain from posting.

I think the OP is referring to NS the game and the issues therein.

You confuse me. The issues discussed in NSG are always subjective. That means there´s not right/wrong option. Only opinions backed by some sort of information or proof. But this proof might be equally erroneous as the opinion. You can´t let it get to you. Otherwise, you should abstain from posting.

In NSG nobody thinks their opinion is subjective, they're always right:rolleyes:

You confuse me. The issues discussed in NSG are always subjective. That means there´s not right/wrong option.

Clearly he is reading threads after I have already gotten to them. All too many people take my word for absolute truth.

In NSG nobody thinks their opinion is subjective, they're always right:rolleyes:

Yeah, I´m always right.:p

Clearly he is reading threads after I have already gotten to them. All too many people take my word for absolute truth.

Bann-ed, you´re like the plague.

Yeah, I´m always right.:p

True, except on those occaisions where you disagree with me...
:D

True, except on those occaisions where you disagree with me...
:D

I always disagree with you for the heck of it.:D And I´m still right.;)

J/K.

This is a good example, Stellae. Dyakovo and I are just being annoying.

Bann-ed, you´re like the plague.

Except people don't avoid me.

Alack! I may have just shattered a 668 year old cliche with your assistance.

Only issue that pissed me off was the option between banning guns and banning violent video games and movies. There was no pro-civil rights option.

everyone is always right in their own little way, that's why debate is pointless, there's never one side to a story and anyone who picks a side in a debate doesn't know all the facts otherwise they'd realise that nobody can win because both sides generally have equally good arguments so the whole thing is pointless

everyone is always right in their own little way, that's why debate is pointless, there's never one side to a story and anyone who picks a side in a debate doesn't know all the facts otherwise they'd realise that nobody can win because both sides generally have equally good arguments so the whole thing is pointless

Point in case, the Incest thread. There were excellent arguments from both sides. Therefore, no one won.

Only issue that pissed me off was the option between banning guns and banning violent video games and movies. There was no pro-civil rights option.
You can always dismiss them, so it's not really a big deal.
Point in case, the Incest thread. There were excellent arguments from both sides. Therefore, no one won.
Plus, I think that thread ended in a huge orgy.

Plus, I think that thread ended in a huge orgy.

Did it? My last post there went along the lines of me not knowing anymore what was right or wrong.

Hey, excellent for the OP.

Point in case, the Incest thread. There were excellent arguments from both sides. Therefore, no one won.

i don't know if you're being sarcastic because I never read the debate threads but if you are I'm sure there are arguments for incest (as creepy as it is)

Did it? My last post there went along the lines of me not knowing anymore what was right or wrong.
See what I mean? That wavering is an orgy waiting to happen. You probably set one off.
Hey, excellent for the OP.
I think that is the tactic used when approaching any controversial sex topic.

i don't know if you're being sarcastic because I never read the debate threads but if you are I'm sure there are arguments for incest (as creepy as it is)

Feast your eyes.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=553716

Let me know what you think about that one.

i don't know if you're being sarcastic because I never read the debate threads but if you are I'm sure there are arguments for incest (as creepy as it is)

The thread was about two adults (father and daughter, both well over 30) who had decided that they loved eachother after being reunited. The father never raised the daughter. That divided NSG in "consenting adults" and "icky, icky, think of the children" camps.

Feast your eyes.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=553716

Let me know what you think about that one.

there's 34 pages! do you honestly expect me to read it all?!

there's 34 pages! do you honestly expect me to read it all?!

Read a few of the posts. Hilarity in your life will shortly ensue.

The thread was about two adults (father and daughter, both well over 30) who had decided that they loved eachother after being reunited. The father never raised the daughter. That divided NSG in "consenting adults" and "icky, icky, think of the children" camps.

well then, there's the 2 sides to that argument and really they are both right, I couldn't think of anything I would want to do less, however it's not my place to say whether or not other people should be allowed

there's 34 pages! do you honestly expect me to read it all?!

Of course not. We may be a lot of things here in NSG, but we aren't hypocrites.

Though a select few of us are compulsive liars.

This same select few may be joking about the above.

well then, there's the 2 sides to that argument and really they are both right, I couldn't think of anything I would want to do less, however it's not my place to say whether or not other people should be allowed

Exactly, but that argument about the pros and cons went on for 34 pages.:p

Read a few of the posts. Hilarity in your life will shortly ensue.

And shortly thereafter you will also meet a nice older man who claims he isn't your uncle. Do not trust him.

Exactly, but that argument about the pros and cons went on for 34 pages.:p

which just goes to show how completely pointless it is to debate, I bet nobody managed to persuade anyone to change their opinion, it was probably 34 pages of people telling each other that their opinion is right and completely ignoring the other side of the arument

And shortly thereafter you will also meet a nice older man who claims he isn't your uncle. Do not trust him.

You sir... have problems. Have we met before? o.O

which just goes to show how completely pointless it is to debate, I bet nobody managed to persuade anyone to change their opinion, it was probably 34 pages of people telling each other that their opinion is right and completely ignoring the other side of the arument

Pretty much. It did teach me not to piss off Bottle. She´s scary when pissed. LOL!

Pretty much. It did teach me not to piss off Bottle. She´s scary when pissed. LOL!

:eek:yeah, that was a bad move, is she still around?

it was probably 34 pages of people telling each other that their opinion is right and completely ignoring the other side of the arument
Actually, there is a good deal of considering and weighing other's opinions and points around here. It's just that, in the end, our own opinions end up squatting on top of a mound of alternate viewpoints.
You sir... have problems.
Yes.
Have we met before? o.O
Unlikely, I have never been out of my country. Physically...

:eek:yeah, that was a bad move, is she still around?

She is. And she´s armed and dangerous.:eek:

Yes.

Unlikely, I have never been out of my country. Physically...

I see.

But you´ve been out spiritually?:eek:

which just goes to show how completely pointless it is to debate, I bet nobody managed to persuade anyone to change their opinion, it was probably 34 pages of people telling each other that their opinion is right and completely ignoring the other side of the arument

Actually I started as "consenting adults can do whatever they want, but they should avoid having children". People then pointed out that we
a. do not forbid people with genetic defects to have children either, despite the fact thatt those defects could be passed on.
b. do not forbid people with different skincolour, different social status, a figure formed by too many visits to Burgerking and so on to have children, despite the fact that they have a high risk of being teased.

That changed my mind.

She is. And she´s armed and dangerous.:eek:

oh noes! *runs and hides*

Actually I started as "consenting adults can do whatever they want, but they should avoid having children". People then pointed out that we
a. do not forbid people with genetic defects to have children either, despite the fact thatt those defects could be passed on.
b. do not forbid people with different skincolour, different social status, a figure formed by too many visits to Burgerking and so on to have children, despite the fact that they have a high risk of being teased.

That changed my mind.

Not mine. I still think incest of any kind is wrong, but to each his/her own. I don´t think I would ever look at it any other way.

I see.

But you´ve been out spiritually?:eek:

Let's just put it this way.

There is a little piece of me inside all of you.

Almost like a meme.

Actually I started as "consenting adults can do whatever they want, but they should avoid having children". People then pointed out that we
a. do not forbid people with genetic defects to have children either, despite the fact thatt those defects could be passed on.
b. do not forbid people with different skincolour, different social status, a figure formed by too many visits to Burgerking and so on to have children, despite the fact that they have a high risk of being teased.

That changed my mind.

well you're a rarity on NS

Let's just put it this way.

There is a little piece of me inside all of you.

Almost like a meme.

Are you the incarnation of Linda Blair?!:eek:

oh noes! *runs and hides*

*hides with Tink*

Are you the incarnation of Linda Blair?!:eek:

Nope. Chiefly because she is still alive.

Us Spiritwalkers frown upon incarnations or even carnations of still living people.

well you're a rarity on NS

Nah. Usually I am just as stubborn and dismissive of opponents opinions as the average poster.

So.. there is hope.

Nah. Usually I am just as stubborn and dismissive of opponents opinions as the average poster.

So.. there is hope.

Are you like me? I like dismissing them when I get annoyed by their posts.

I agree with the general sentiment of the OP, but I recognize that Max has her own sense of humour which goes into her books which the game is based off of. I don't know, but somewhere I heard that NationStates 2 would have a more serious tone to its' issues, so there may yet be hope.

I agree with the general sentiment of the OP, but I recognize that Max has her own sense of humour which goes into her books which the game is based off of. I don't know, but somewhere I heard that NationStates 2 would have a more serious tone to its' issues, so there may yet be hope.

I was(and still am) under the impression that Max is male.

I was(and still am) under the impression that Max is male.


Many have referred to him/her as one or the other, so I get confused.

Many have referred to him/her as one or the other, so I get confused.

This should clear things up. (http://www.maxbarry.com/max/)

By the way i didn't mean to offend anyone about my post

It was just an example

Really really sorry if i did

(im too thick for this thread:()

By the way i didn't mean to offend anyone about my post

It was just an example

Really really sorry if i did

(im too thick for this thread:()

don't be silly, i very much doubt you offended anyone and even if you did I wouldn't bother apologising, nobody here would do to you

(and also, i'm probably the thickest person on NS so if i'm intelligent enough to post in a thread then you probably are too)

don't be silly, i very much doubt you offended anyone and even if you did I wouldn't bother apologising, nobody here would do to you

(and also, i'm probably the thickest person on NS so if i'm intelligent enough to post in a thread then you probably are too)

and adorable.....Tink didnt mention that she is ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE...

and adorable.....Tink didnt mention that she is ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE...

great, thick but adorable:rolleyes:

thanks:fluffle:

When do the issues get to point where they're not issues, but just annoying? I have to say, some of the issues are getting to the point of annoying. I understand the concept of "everything is bad in some way". But everything is equally bad, nevermind which option you pick? And especially when you only get two options.
I had yet another one of these today, the Watershed down. (btw, this is not an even marginally commonly known idiom) There really is no difference in choosing either, UNLESS you are american. I have to say, sex and graphic violence is NOT the same, and if I'm bursting your bubble, I'm not very sorry. Mainly the difference deals with naturality!

The Puritans came to America, YES, but they shouldn't run it, especially considering the ramifications it's had since then.

Am I really the only one that gets pissed off by this?

Well, I figure that, since this is a game and not reality, I can screw up my nation as much as I want. The issues do keep popping up, so I choose a different option each time, just to see what happens - it's fun, and that is the point of games - to have fun, isn't it?

There really is no difference in choosing either, UNLESS you are american. I have to say, sex and graphic violence is NOT the same

Well, you see, thanx to our great Two party fucktard system...

In America you get all or nothing...which is great for this issue, because the first amendment says we should get all...bad for this issue because Bible Fucks like to push shitty legislation...

Unfortunately, Middle ground hasnt existed in the USofA since the Civil War...The need for the two factions to gain a majority means nobody gets to have their own opinions...

don't be silly, i very much doubt you offended anyone and even if you did I wouldn't bother apologising, nobody here would do to you

(and also, i'm probably the thickest person on NS so if i'm intelligent enough to post in a thread then you probably are too)

Thanks you made me feel a whole lot better :D

I'm very impressed that this thread got this many posts! And so diverse :0)

My main point was when you end up with an issue where all time violence and sex is one option, and the other option is no violence or sex. To me, there is no logical link between violence and sex, and looking at the world, there should probably be less of a link for the nutters!

Well, you see, thanx to our great Two party fucktard system...

In America you get all or nothing...which is great for this issue, because the first amendment says we should get all...bad for this issue because Bible Fucks like to push shitty legislation...

Unfortunately, Middle ground hasnt existed in the USofA since the Civil War...The need for the two factions to gain a majority means nobody gets to have their own opinions...



I could not possibly agree more (and I tried) ;0)