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new poll suggests that President Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush is handling his job as president.

"No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup Poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.

. . . .

CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider adds, "He is more unpopular than Richard Nixon was just before he resigned from the presidency in August 1974

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?

Took fucking long enough, eh.

Won't stop the I *Heart* Bush! crowd. Sadly I'm sure we'll be hearing about how history will judge Bush to be the best president ever in 5... 4... 3... 2...

Took fucking long enough, eh.

Mega seconded.

Well. Cheers to that...

Unfortunately, the experience of the Nuremberg Trials tells us why the US does not accept the jurisdiction of either the International Criminal Court or the World Court.

Bush will never be held accountable for what he did.

I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, that anyone would dare speak of Our Beloved Leader in such a way! Why, 70 percent of the American public has clearly been mislead by the Islamofascist brigade and must be thrown in Gitmo. For their own good, of course! :rolleyes:

I could've sworn Truman was hitting the low 20's before he left office. Of course, his ratings were tracked by another polling firm so Bush has claimed the dubious honor for this particular poll. Looks like his "legacy" is in good shape.

I could've sworn Truman was hitting the low 20's before he left office.
Sworn on what? Aren't you in your early twenties, if that? :p

I could've sworn Truman was hitting the low 20's before he left office. Of course, his ratings were tracked by another polling firm so Bush has claimed the dubious honor for this particular poll. Looks like his "legacy" is in good shape.

The only way he can do better is if he turns Missile Command, WarGames, and DefCon into reality TV.

I could've sworn Truman was hitting the low 20's before he left office. Of course, his ratings were tracked by another polling firm so Bush has claimed the dubious honor for this particular poll. Looks like his "legacy" is in good shape.

If I'm remembering the article right, Bush still hasn't reached Nixon and Truman in terms of low approval ratings. He's #3 in "lowest approval" but record-maker in "highest disapproval".

The only way he can do better is if he turns Missile Command, WarGames, and DefCon into reality TV.

Nah, it looks like he still has trouble mastering Risk, so I think we might be in the clear.

Nah, it looks like he still has trouble mastering Risk, so I think we might be in the clear.
Fuck, he has trouble NOVICING Risk. :mad:

If I'm remembering the article right, Bush still hasn't reached Nixon and Truman in terms of low approval ratings. He's #3 in "lowest approval" but record-maker in "highest disapproval".

Damn...well, there's still a good nine months to go, so he needs to get to work.

Fuck, he has trouble NOVICING Risk. :mad:

He plays Civilization on Chieftain with no barbarians.

Fuck, he has trouble NOVICING Risk. :mad:

Someone at the Pentagon should have told him that invading Iraq was a lot more complicated than scooting the plastic pieces over and rolling the dice.

work
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703_pf.html
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/08/19/bush_breaks_vacation_record.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703_pf.html
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/08/19/bush_breaks_vacation_record.html

Working hard or hardly working, amirite?

Someone at the Pentagon should have told him that invading Iraq was a lot more complicated than scooting the plastic pieces over and rolling the dice.

His daddy did, and funnily enough, he knew he was going to have to use the exact same example, as he always had.
So did Powell.

Working hard or hardly working, amirite?
"Work smarter, not harder"




....... :headbang:

I wonder if Bush isn't a crook as well?

The notable thing about this is that 29% of people don't disapprove of Bush. How do these people manage to dress themselves?

Actually comparatively the 'Imperial Presidency' of Nixon was nothing like the power of Bush's 'executive privilege' and 'unitary executive', just as the Presidential power of Clinton was much greater than his predecessors. The growth of US Presidential power has been happening for some decades now, pushed along by both parties. Nixon was just a petty corrupt low-level criminal compared to the power of Bush.

I personally think that when you start along the road of putting political power into the personal discretion of an individual personality - that power will always become twisted by the personal defects of that individual. Abandoning collective leadership is a dangerous thing indeed.

Took fucking long enough, eh.

Pretty much this.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?

My thoughts, I fucking tried to tell people he was a fuckwit four years ago. Too damn late. Time to gloat!

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?

I think he needs to wake up. The communication from the White House is the worst I've ever seen. I think that's a bigger part of the problem than most people realize. It makes the President appear to be cut off from the country and unaware.

But, having said that, at least the President can take consolation in the knowledge that his approval rating is still dramatically higher than that of Congress.

I get all my facts from Gallup polls.

Like when to brush my teeth and where to go to the bathroom.
I kid you not.

I think he needs to wake up.

Pffft, why? He's out in a few months, as long as he can keep from getting impeached and convicted he'll be fine. He has no reason to care about the public opinion.

Come on, isn't there anyone who has something positive to say about Bush? After all, we're talking about a man who, uh... I mean, who... um, he... Damn, I didn't vote for him!
Not that I could have had, not being American.

I wonder if Bush isn't a crook as well?
I don't. He most certainly is, but he's no smarter at that than anything else.

The notable thing about this is that 29% of people don't disapprove of Bush. How do these people manage to dress themselves?
Not well, imo. Have seen many of them? Geez, damn. *shudder*


TO THE OP: My thoughts are this: How nice that we've all managed at last to get on the same page re this blood-soaked moron. Now, what are we going to do about it?

TO THE OP: My thoughts are this: How nice that we've all managed at last to get on the same page re this blood-soaked moron. Now, what are we going to do about it?

Complain some more probably.

I have about nine months left on my fuse. If I have to deal with that prick as President longer than that, I'm really going ot lose control. :p

If I'm remembering the article right, Bush still hasn't reached Nixon and Truman in terms of low approval ratings.
He still has eight and a half months to go for the total "win".

I have about nine months left on my fuse. If I have to deal with that prick as President longer than that, I'm really going ot lose control. :p

Since when have you bothered with control???

My thoughts, I fucking tried to tell people he was a fuckwit four years ago. Too damn late. Time to gloat!
I fucking tried to tell people that EIGHT years ago!

His daddy did, and funnily enough, he knew he was going to have to use the exact same example, as he always had.
So did Powell.

so did dick cheney. maybe he should have told this president what his father knew back in '91.


and as for nixon....at least nixon wanted to be liked.

Since when have you bothered with control???

Control is a relative term. I'm not being hunted down by the Pentagon, am I? Well, that's because I've had enough self control to not be caugh.... er.... to not do anything that might leave a trail back to m.... er.... I see nothing, I know nothing!

*starts shredding documents*

Control is a relative term. I'm not being hunted down by the Pentagon, am I? Well, that's because I've had enough self control to not be caugh.... er.... to not do anything that might leave a trail back to m.... er.... I see nothing, I know nothing!

*starts shredding documents*

shredding documents? :eek: not the pie recipes! well....I guess evidence is evidence.

I suggest burning, they can put shreds back together...

Control is a relative term. I'm not being hunted down by the Pentagon, am I? Well, that's because I've had enough self control to not be caugh.... er.... to not do anything that might leave a trail back to m.... er.... I see nothing, I know nothing!

*starts shredding documents*

:covers eyes, ears and mouth:

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?

Yea, at least Nixon had the decency to resign from office.

shredding documents? :eek: not the pie recipes! well....I guess evidence is evidence.

I suggest burning, they can put shreds back together...

I shred into fractals. :D

:headbang:

It's funny because BuSSh is a re-ellected president.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?

I am stunned.;)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?
My thoughts?
That I can't believe that 29% of Americans (give or take a couple of percent) still think well of this turkey.
What the hell does he have to do to finally convince these people how incompetent he actually is? Appear on TV with his underpants on his head and tell them he's sold the entire country's social security to a guy he met for a handful of magic beans?
even then, they'd probably still go outside with climbing gear to tackle the giant magical beanstalk he promises them. And then blame the evil liberal media when it doesn't appear. as usual.

silly man, i think i can safely say there will be no more Bushes as President of the USA.
not that surprising really.

My thoughts?
That I can't believe that 29% of Americans (give or take a couple of percent) still think well of this turkey.
What the hell does he have to do to finally convince these people how incompetent he actually is? Appear on TV with his underpants on his head and tell them he's sold the entire country's social security to a guy he met for a handful of magic beans?
even then, they'd probably still go outside with climbing gear to tackle the giant magical beanstalk he promises them. And then blame the evil liberal media when it doesn't appear. as usual.

You gotta figure that 10% of Americans are at least that fucking stupid/batshit crazy. The other 19% that still likes him are just ignorant/weak minded enough to be led along on a string by that 10%.


Or so I keep telling myself.

Control is a relative term. I'm not being hunted down by the Pentagon, am I? Well, that's because I've had enough self control to not be caugh.... er.... to not do anything that might leave a trail back to m.... er.... I see nothing, I know nothing!

*starts shredding documents*

Schuuuuuuuultz!

He plays Civilization on Chieftain with no barbarians.

And he uses the World Builder to plop an extra city, some defenders, and a shitload of goody huts.

You gotta figure that 10% of Americans are at least that fucking stupid/batshit crazy. The other 19% that still likes him are just ignorant/weak minded enough to be led along on a string by that 10%.


Or so I keep telling myself.

19% arent paying attention and still live in the dream world where republicans advance reasonable policies.

19% arent paying attention
Quite an awesome achievement on Dubya's part, to get the percentage of Americans who aren't paying attention down to such a low level.

And he uses the World Builder to plop an extra city, some defenders, and a shitload of goody huts.

And still loses to an invasion by Gandhi.

Quite an awesome achievement on Dubya's part, to get the percentage of Americans who aren't paying attention down to such a low level.

astounding really.

i guess there is just some point where things are so bad that even the apathetic have to notice.

So 30% of Americans are idiots? Sounds about right.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?
Let's be precise. He's the most UNPOPULAR president since monthly numbers were collected. He's the third lowest on the POPULARITY scale, with Nixon and Truman beating him.

I'm not sure how to reconcile those numbers because if you're not popular, you're unpopular and vice versa -- one of those necessary and sufficient things.

But...
We got exactly what we wanted when we elected Bush. He has always done just what he has promised to do, for better or for worse. Re-electing him was a choice we made with our eyes wide open.

Let's be precise. He's the most UNPOPULAR president since monthly numbers were collected. He's the third lowest on the POPULARITY scale, with Nixon and Truman beating him.

I'm not sure how to reconcile those numbers because if you're not popular, you're unpopular and vice versa -- one of those necessary and sufficient things.

Easy. "no opinion".

Example, President A:

25% approve of him
70% disapprove of him
5% have no opinion

President B:

27% approve of him
71% disapprove of him
2% have no opinion

President B in this example, is both actively liked and actively disliked by a greater proportion of the population. More approve, and more disapprove.

So President A is the "least popular" as a smaller portion of the population likes him. President B on the other hand is the most unpopular, as a larger portion of the population dislikes him. It's those damned wishy washy independants that fuck everything up.

Again.

President B:

27% approve of him
71% disapprove of him
4% have no opinion

102% of the population weighing in?

102% of the population weighing in?

shaddup. It's friday, I just ate lunch, I'm sleepy, sue me :p

shaddup. It's friday, I just ate lunch, I'm sleepy, sue me :p

Any time I can help. :D

Easy. "no opinion".

Example, President A:

25% approve of him
70% disapprove of him
5% have no opinion

President B:

27% approve of him
71% disapprove of him
2% have no opinion

President B in this example, is both actively liked and actively disliked by a greater proportion of the population. More approve, and more disapprove.

So President A is the "least popular" as a smaller portion of the population likes him. President B on the other hand is the most unpopular, as a larger portion of the population dislikes him. It's those damned wishy washy independants that fuck everything up.

Again.
People that have no opinion on presidents should be rounded up and made to do something unpleasant. And their non-opinions shouldn't count, either.

102% of the population weighing in?
The Chicago vote was counted twice.

The Chicago vote was counted twice.

As votes often are in Chicago.

shaddup. It's friday, I just ate lunch, I'm sleepy, sue me :p

Hey, your the lawyer, its your job to sue people.

Great idea! Let's sue NeoArt, and hire him as our attorney!

Great idea! Let's sue NeoArt, and hire him as our attorney!

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Credit to www.ubersoft.net

I'm not surprised at the low (high) numbers - I'm surprised that it hasn't happened sooner, and that some people still like him...

Before anyone claims it, no, I'm not a neocon, and no, I don't think President Bush is a "great president." However, since 9/11 he was put in the worst situation ever and that made him look bad. The Iraq War was obviously a mistake. However, President Bush isn't the only one to blame, remember most Americans backed him in the begginning, including Congress!

The Nuremburg comment is just plain stupid. If you want President Bush to go to Nuremburg trials, so should Congress for authorizing the wars. There have been many wars throughout history involving the United States, but Americans are only against the ones that drag out. If the Iraq war was "none of our buisness" than neither was WWII. Obviously, I'm not going to deny that going to Iraq was an offensive war (Afghanistan was defensive), because it was. However, toppling Saddam was fully justified. He was a crazed dictator.

The only people to blame for the chaos in Iraq are the Iraqis who are making the violence. Like I said, Iraq was a mistake and strategic miscalculation, however, leaving now would be a disatrous decision, leaving Iraq in chaos, and leaving Islamic extremists in control of the region, making Iran's Sharia law run the region, and leaving Iran to monopolize the regions resources giving Islamic extremism more power.

I already know that you will call me a neo-con, because "Bush is the worst president" has been implanted in your thick skulls ever since he was blamed for 9/11.

If you want to blame anyone for 9/11 (in reality it's no one person's fault), I would blame Clinton for his lack of action during earlier attacks on America. Sending a few missiles into a few tents in Afghanistan really didn't hinder Al Qaeda too much, in case you didn't notice.

He's still more popular than Ron Paul.

Incidentally, Ron Paul has c.85,000 fans on facebook.

Anyone could be more popular than Bush. Anyone.:p

Anyone could be more popular than Bush. Anyone.:p

*Approves of Nanatsu*


See? You're well on your way ;)

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?

I'm not completely surprised that Bush is less popular than Nixon. I was not alive when Nixon was president, but my understanding was that he was fairly popular, because he seemed to offer the most reasonable foreign policy and was a moderate domestically. Unfortunately, he was also a paranoid who just didn't have that much respect for democracy. Oops.

As far as Bush II being the least popular, good riddance. It's not just the human rights violations, the lying, the disregard for the Constitution, but to top it all off, the guy's incompetent. Were he a CEO, his company would have fired him long ago.

Schuuuuuuuultz!

Wow. Someone caught the reference. Geezer. :p

I say we elect Nixon's Head for President a little Early....I think itd do us some serious good, lol...

However, toppling Saddam was fully justified. He was a crazed dictator.



This throws the whole argument out the window...Yes, Saddam was a crazed dictator, but that wasnt why we're there...

Its only the latest in a Long list of excuses from Bush so he doesnt have to admit we're there for oil...

Least McCain had the Balls to admit it...but that still doesnt make it right...or even Strategic...

I say we elect Nixon's Head for President a little Early....I think itd do us some serious good, lol...

I'm still convinced that Richard Nixon could run again. Sure, he's dead, but he was killed politically many times before. Until I see a crucifix in his chest, I'm not going to be surprised by anything.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?

Carter is still worse. Seriously though, Bush may have terrible ratings but Congress has even lower ones...What does that say for them?

I don't like Bush really now, (I was too young to vote in the last two elections anyway) but I am getting tired of EVERY one blaming him for EVERYTHING. Many of these problems especially the economic problems have been brewing up for a long time and now they've burst at the worst possible times.

Frankly people should just stop bitching about Bush already he has 7 months left in office he's almost gone. Soon we'll have a new president, there that's the end.

I don't like Bush really now, (I was too young to vote in the last two elections anyway) but I am getting tired of EVERY one blaming him for EVERYTHING. Many of these problems especially the economic problems have been brewing up for a long time and now they've burst at the worst possible times.

Frankly people should just stop bitching about Bush already he has 7 months left in office he's almost gone. Soon we'll have a new president, there that's the end.

I'm more or less with this guy. I'm more tired of the constant whining and complaining about Bush than I am of Bush, himself. And I'm not a fan of the guy. The constant, whining, bitchy droning about George W. Bush and what he did, didn't do, won't do or can't do is old and tiring. Worse still is the fact that a lot of people only do it because it's trendy, hip and in style.

I agree that Bush is and has been a bad president. I don't think he was worse than Nixon or, for that matter, Truman (in some respects), but hate begets hate, especially in the media-saturated world we live in.

I'm still convinced that Richard Nixon could run again. Sure, he's dead, but he was killed politically many times before. Until I see a crucifix in his chest, I'm not going to be surprised by anything.
There is a write-in line on the ballot, so you can vote for anyone you like, even the dead. Hell, the dead vote for the living often enough, don't they? (They do in NYC politics, at any rate.) And didn't John Ashcroft lose a state election to a dead man once? :)

Carter is still worse. Seriously though, Bush may have terrible ratings but Congress has even lower ones...What does that say for them?

That the Republicans has generally fucked everything up, and the democrats haven't been able to repair what Bush and his Republican cronies have done?

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html)

With this poll, it shows that President Bush is now the LEAST POPULAR president in US history. So people of NSG, what are your thoughts on this?

The OP title, and post is not backed up by the article that you cite. Note how the cited article says that the poll suggests that Bush is less popular than Nixon. Even so, is that necessarily a bad thing? "What is popular is not always right, and what is right is not always popular."

Also, IMO, so much of Bush's unpopularity is bandwagon appeal, if many people dislike Bush, then I can be instantly cool by also posing to dislike him.

Won't stop the I *Heart* Bush! crowd. Sadly I'm sure we'll be hearing about how history will judge Bush to be the best president ever in 5... 4... 3... 2...

It won't stop it, but that group is getting smaller. Which means either the the horror of the Bush administration is steadily becoming more and more apparent so that the dumbest 30%, but not the dumbest 29%, now sees how bad he is.

Either that, or the dumbest 5% who could never be persuaded against Bush are disproportionately killing themselves with moonshine-induced alcohol poisoning, snake-handling, traffic accidents caused by driving 80 mph in trucks largely made of duct tape, or simply checking to see why their gun didn't fire.

Either way, fewer people like Bush.

The OP title, and post is not backed up by the article that you cite. Note how the cited article says that the poll suggests that Bush is less popular than Nixon. Even so, is that necessarily a bad thing? "What is popular is not always right, and what is right is not always popular."

Also, IMO, so much of Bush's unpopularity is bandwagon appeal, if many people dislike Bush, then I can be instantly cool by also posing to dislike him.

Refusing to drink bleach is also really popular. That's a fairly good indication of how good it is.

Anyone could be more popular than Bush. Anyone.:p

Except congress. Why do people gloat when the President is not very popular but keep their mouth shut when congress is just as or more unpopular than the President?

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

I think we need to clean the whole bunch out and start over. :(

I think we need to clean the whole bunch out and start over. :(

Sounds like a plan to me...

Except congress. Why do people gloat when the President is not very popular but keep their mouth shut when congress is just as or more unpopular than the President?

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

I think we need to clean the whole bunch out and start over. :(

Well, then start the cleaning process.;)

Well, then start the cleaning process.;)

I'm working on it, I'm working on it.

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Except congress. Why do people gloat when the President is not very popular but keep their mouth shut when congress is just as or more unpopular than the President?

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

I think we need to clean the whole bunch out and start over. :(

Because the popularity of congress is in part a mirror of the popularity or the President, the leader of the executive branch.

In short, having an inefficient congress does not exuse the ineptness and douchebaggery of the fuckwad that is currently president.

I'm working on it, I'm working on it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Celtlund/defeat.gif

:D

[QUOTE=Everywhar;13661133]Well. Cheers to that...

Unfortunately, the experience of the Nuremberg Trials tells us why the US does not accept the jurisdiction of either the International Criminal Court or the World Court.

Bush will never be held accountable for what he did

There is a good chance that he will be murderd as soon as he leaves office(lets hope).

Of corce there is the chance that america could become a democratic state and implement either the genever convention or the human rights acts.
If it does this then it might act a littel less like a taleban state

There is a good chance that he will be murderd as soon as he leaves office(lets hope).

Why do you want him dead after he leaves office?

Think about it. Thats coming from CNN. enough said. I don't care for Bush but the generation now is too wimpy. They are scared of war and have no sense of anything going on and I'm a young person.Suck it up wimps and get over it. War has always been apart of life and always will be. I can't stand the people who complain about how bad war is and will never see battle b/c they would go to Canada if a war broke out here.

Why do you want him dead after he leaves office?

It's what every peace-loving liberal wants.

That does not surprise me. I would say Nixon was the greatest Republican President of the past sixty years (if you do not consider his Watergate blunder).

Nixon allowed sales of large amounts of wheat to Soviet Russia when the USSR was in a state of famine (too bad Jimmy Carter later cut-off the sales in protest to the Afghanistan war).

Nixon recognized China as nation, and began the road to normalized relations with it.

Nixon also signed a treaty that mostly ended the nuclear pissing contest (until Regan appeared on the scene).

It's what every peace-loving liberal wants.

Peace loving liberal? You mean, people who would give up The U.S. if Al-Qaeda landed here and asked for it. Wow, you guys would turn the U.S. into WWII France. Good job guys

Peace loving liberal? You mean, people who would give up The U.S. if Al-Qaeda landed here and asked for it. Wow, you guys would turn the U.S. into WWII France. Good job guys

Duuuuude.

What are you babbling about?

It's what every peace-loving liberal wants.

I seriously hope you're joking

Duuuuude.

What are you babbling about?

Liberals, for the most part, are willing to give up the U.S. too anybody to escape war. Its ridiculous. This country needs HUGE CHANGE. Bigger change than any of the running presidential candidates can make. And congress just needs to keep passing laws that give them more days off. Bush did mishandle the War in Iraq bad but any president would have. War is meant for the military to handle not a president that is given the name "Commander in Chief".

I seriously hope you're joking

I'm not, because I have a reputation as an extremely serious poster who has never made even a poor attempt at humour through the use of sarcasm or small woodland creatures.

Its ridiculous. This country needs HUGE TACOS. Bigger tacos than any of the running presidential candidates can make.

Fixed.

Now I agree with you.

Fixed.

Now I agree with you.

Wow nice way of dodging this post. Dodging seems to be a famous liberal concept.

Wow nice way of dodging this post. Dodging seems to be a famous liberal concept.

What is there to dodge?

I'm not really a liberal and you aren't throwing any fastballs...

I don't see what there is to confront here.

Wow nice way of dodging this post. Dodging seems to be a famous liberal concept.

A liberal is not someone who should take the blame for anything that is wrong with the nation. A liberal is someone holding a political philosophy, which happens to run contrary to your own.

Wow nice way of dodging this post. Dodging seems to be a famous liberal concept.

Oy vey, another mindless "I don't agree with you so you must be a liberal" type.

God damn it! Just after we got rid of the last batch!

Now go grow up and get a bible, then come back and try again.

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Liberals, for the most part, are willing to give up the U.S. too anybody to escape war. Its ridiculous. This country needs HUGE CHANGE. Bigger change than any of the running presidential candidates can make. And congress just needs to keep passing laws that give them more days off. Bush did mishandle the War in Iraq bad but any president would have. War is meant for the military to handle not a president that is given the name "Commander in Chief".

there is a huge difference between defending the country and invading another country that has done nothing to us.

every american (give or take the insane 10%) would defend this country if it were invaded. liberal or conservative.

He plays Civilization on Chieftain with no barbarians.

I'm going to have to use that insult some time. First, though, I'm going to have to find a place where it won't get me beat up.

Except congress. Why do people gloat when the President is not very popular but keep their mouth shut when congress is just as or more unpopular than the President?

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

I think we need to clean the whole bunch out and start over. :(

Congress is roughly 50% Republican. That percentage continues to fellate Bush, and prevent anything from getting accomplished.

Naturally, it means that the Democrats are the unpopular ones, since the other way around would be logical.

every american (give or take the insane 10%) would defend this country if it were invaded. liberal or conservative.

So why aren't they interested in preventing it from being invaded?

So why aren't they interested in preventing it from being invaded?

In what way is the US being invaded now?

If you´re talking about the immigrants, I don´t consider that an invasion. But I may be wrong.

My thoughts, I fucking tried to tell people he was a fuckwit four years ago. Too damn late. Time to gloat!Four years ago? I...
I fucking tried to tell people that EIGHT years ago!...'ve been beaten to it. =(
He plays Civilization on Chieftain with no barbarians.He probably plays without city switching due to Cultural Influence as well, or else he would have realized that the Persian Influence was going to have a bigger effect on the Babylonian cities than the American ones.
Also, didn't they feature him in a CIV IV commercial (tastefully anonimized)?
Well. Cheers to that...

Unfortunately, the experience of the Nuremberg Trials tells us why the US does not accept the jurisdiction of either the International Criminal Court or the World Court.

Bush will never be held accountable for what he did.How exactly did the Nuremberg Trials teach us that?
Come on, isn't there anyone who has something positive to say about Bush? After all, we're talking about a man who, uh... I mean, who... um, he... Damn, I didn't vote for him!
Not that I could have had, not being American.Well, one positive thing is that instead of being a typical American whiner and bitching about how everyone hates us, he actually stocked up aid to the countries stricken by the Tsunami when the Western nations were criticized for being stingy.
I have about nine months left on my fuse. If I have to deal with that prick as President longer than that, I'm really going ot lose control. :pWho exactly bet that he won't leave office and why did they accept your control as a wager? :confused:
Yea, at least Nixon had the decency to resign from office.Well, Congress did have the decency to impeach him.
So 30% of Americans are idiots? Sounds about right.Realizing what an idiot Bush is doesn't mean you're not an idiot yourself. For one, he's managed to alienate the neo nazis that voted for him the first time around for not being tough enough on illegal immigration.
Before anyone claims it, no, I'm not a neocon, and no, I don't think President Bush is a "great president." However, since 9/11 he was put in the worst situation ever and that made him look bad. The Iraq War was obviously a mistake. However, President Bush isn't the only one to blame, remember most Americans backed him in the begginning, including Congress!Ah, yes. Good times.

The Nuremburg comment is just plain stupid. If you want President Bush to go to Nuremburg trials, so should Congress for authorizing the wars. There have been many wars throughout history involving the United States, but Americans are only against the ones that drag out. If the Iraq war was "none of our buisness" than neither was WWII. Obviously, I'm not going to deny that going to Iraq was an offensive war (Afghanistan was defensive), because it was. However, toppling Saddam was fully justified. He was a crazed dictator.Well, that analogy is inherently false. Saddam was neither on a World Domination Tour, nor had he attacked or declared war on the United States.

The only people to blame for the chaos in Iraq are the Iraqis who are making the violence. Like I said, Iraq was a mistake and strategic miscalculation, however, leaving now would be a disatrous decision, leaving Iraq in chaos, and leaving Islamic extremists in control of the region, making Iran's Sharia law run the region, and leaving Iran to monopolize the regions resources giving Islamic extremism more power. That first bit is bullshit. The current levels of chaos were forseeable, if not obvious. Failure to realize that or to heed the advice of people who, coincidentally, have turned out to be correct is not something responsible leaders do. The situation isn't what's making Bush look bad, it's how he's handling it. You're saying we should cut him some slack for not being able to handle a difficult situation. That's his job. If he can't handle it, he shouldn't have been elected in the first place.

The rest of that paragraph I agree with though.
I already know that you will call me a neo-con, because "Bush is the worst president" has been implanted in your thick skulls ever since he was blamed for 9/11.It's more the Iraq War, No Child Left Behind, Clear Skies, and CHEERS that convinced me that he was a bad president.
Frankly people should just stop bitching about Bush already he has 7 months left in office he's almost gone. Soon we'll have a new president, there that's the end.I'm pretty sure the wedge of division he's driven into this country is going to stay for a lot longer than those 7 months.
There is a write-in line on the ballot, so you can vote for anyone you like, even the dead. Hell, the dead vote for the living often enough, don't they? (They do in NYC politics, at any rate.) And didn't John Ashcroft lose a state election to a dead man once? :)Yes indeed! My granddad voted Republican all his life and Democrat all his death!
Think about it. Thats coming from CNN. enough said. I don't care for Bush but the generation now is too wimpy. They are scared of war and have no sense of anything going on and I'm a young person.Suck it up wimps and get over it. War has always been apart of life and always will be. I can't stand the people who complain about how bad war is and will never see battle b/c they would go to Canada if a war broke out here.No, by all means, explain that statement.

Peace loving liberal? You mean, people who would give up The U.S. if Al-Qaeda landed here and asked for it. Wow, you guys would turn the U.S. into WWII France. Good job guysAre you related to HSH Prince Eric, by any chance?

So why aren't they interested in preventing it from being invaded?You mean the Democrats actually plan to sink the US Navy? Those bastards! :mad:

You mean the Democrats actually plan to sink the US Navy? Those bastards! :mad:

I thought those homosexual-loving bastards were the US Navy!?

Except congress. Why do people gloat when the President is not very popular but keep their mouth shut when congress is just as or more unpopular than the President?

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

I think we need to clean the whole bunch out and start over. :(

Because congress is never popular.

So why aren't they interested in preventing it from being invaded?

Because we aren't interested in fighting imaginary bogeymen.

He probably plays without city switching due to Cultural Influence as well, or else he would have realized that the Persian Influence was going to have a bigger effect on the Babylonian cities than the American ones.

He simply didn't garrison enough troops in the major cities or rebuild cultural improvements fast enough. Not to mention he's drained our gold reserves by simultaneously cutting taxes, building more units, and upping the entertainment percentage to try to offset war weariness.

Because we aren't interested in fighting imaginary bogeymen.

And everytime they talk about America being invaded, you'll inevitably see a clip or two from Invasion USA.

He simply didn't garrison enough troops in the major cities or rebuild cultural improvements fast enough. Not to mention he's drained our gold reserves by simultaneously cutting taxes, building more units, and upping the entertainment percentage to try to offset war weariness.

If I played the game, a thread on "The War on Terror through Civ4" would be hilarious.

Because congress is never popular.
If you look at the detailed trends, Congress does have periods of popularity. No wonder they're not popular now, they don't do anything...

If you look at the detailed trends, Congress does have periods of popularity. No wonder they're not popular now, they don't do anything...

That's not true. In the last four months or so congress has been quite the busy beaver. All of it bad/terrible.

I would prefer it if they did nothing.

That's not true. In the last four months or so congress has been quite the busy beaver. All of it bad/terrible.

I would prefer it if they did nothing.
Election years always seem to produce terrible legislation. No matter which party you favor, none of it ever seems well thought out -- or even necessary most of the time.

Well, one positive thing is that instead of being a typical American whiner and bitching about how everyone hates us, he actually stocked up aid to the countries stricken by the Tsunami when the Western nations were criticized for being stingy.
Good! :) I'm sure he's more popular there than in a certain American city hit by a natural disaster.

Good! :) I'm sure he's more popular there than in a certain American city hit by a natural disaster.

Zing!

He probably plays without city switching due to Cultural Influence as well, or else he would have realized that the Persian Influence was going to have a bigger effect on the Babylonian cities than the American ones.
Also, didn't they feature him in a CIV IV commercial (tastefully anonimized)?


I believe he was on an ad for Civilization Anonymous (http://civanon.org/home.shtml).

So why aren't they interested in preventing it from being invaded?

when there is a credible threat of invasion we'll all be interested in preventing it

Just a question.

Does it really matter what Bush's approval rating is in his second term? It is not as if he is running for a second term, I wonder if he really cares, he can't become President again after January 4th 2009.

Apart from making a few Bush bashers life a bit less unpleasant why does it matter?

Yea, at least Nixon had the decency to resign from office.
Only because it was that or be impeached. And even then, he only left the office because he was allowed to pick his successor, who immediately pardoned Nixon.
To call that a sign of 'decency' is seriously maligning that good word.

Think about it. Thats coming from CNN.

You're absolutely right. The massively pro big buisness (and therefore Republican) bias common to all American media channels imply that things are much worse than they actually are.

Or did you mean something else?

enough said. I don't care for Bush but the generation now is too wimpy. They are scared of war and have no sense of anything going on and I'm a young person.Suck it up wimps and get over it. War has always been a part of life and always will be. I can't stand the people who complain about how bad war is and will never see battle b/c they would go to Canada if a war broke out here.

I seriously doubt that the majority of anti-war protestors are actually always anti-war. They merely don't like bloody, pointless wars of aggression. In fact, standing up to the massive convincing power of all major media outlets, State, local and Federal governments, the police and military should not really be classed as wimpy. Nor should the greatest crime (agression- greater even than terrorism or genocide) go unpunished or unnoticed simply for being common to US foreign policy.

Liberals, for the most part, are willing to give up the U.S. too anybody to escape war. Its ridiculous. This country needs HUGE CHANGE. Bigger change than any of the running presidential candidates can make. And congress just needs to keep passing laws that give them more days off. Bush did mishandle the War in Iraq bad but any president would have. War is meant for the military to handle not a president that is given the name "Commander in Chief".

Conservatives (Regen, both Bush's) are willing to fund America's enemies (Al Qaeda, Contras, Iran, Sunni millitia in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, others) in order to personally profit. True Liberals (not the pretend ones you get in America) do not fund the enemies of the State, nor do they use the monsters they have created to win political points.

Obviously the United States needs a change. It needs to start accepting the obligations it has under the International laws it has signed- just for a start. The country needs to accept something approaching democracy. The media needs to be reformed so that it is not as biased towards Republican, and wider pro-buisness, anti-American positions. Unfortunatley, all of the candidates have a vesyted interest in making sure none of these things happen.

He simply didn't garrison enough troops in the major cities or rebuild cultural improvements fast enough. Not to mention he's drained our gold reserves by simultaneously cutting taxes, building more units, and upping the entertainment percentage to try to offset war weariness.Luckily, he's a spiritual leader, meaning there will be no unrest when he switches to the police state civic :D