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This is a story about the Cold War getting hot, and it becomes World War III. It begins in late 1973, shortly after the election of Bob Dole to United States President. The USSR decides to attack neutral Countries, in order to spread communism, and/or expand the Warsaw Pact. It invades Yugoslavia, due to Tito's constant refusal to join the WP. Meanwhile, East German Guards cross the wall and attack West Berlin, although retreated due to lack of help (it was an independent operation.) NATO commands the Soviet Union to stop, or else. The USSR does not listen, and then invades Afghanistan as well. Bob Dole declared war on The Soviet Union. The other NATO countries side with the United States. The USSR, with all of its allies, and the puppet of Yugoslavia, are combating it. Austria, Cyprus, Israel, Japan, and Mexico all join NATO. Afghanistan (taken), Yugoslavia (taken), Pakistan, North Korea, and Mongolia join the USSR one the war started.

August 21 - 23, 1972

Senator Bob Dole wins Republican Nomination for President. Dole picks Governor Ronald Reagan as his running mate.

November 7, 1972

Republican Nominee Bob Dole beats Incumbent George McGovern in the General Election. Bob Dole won the election by a landslide, 57% to 41%. He becomes the first Republican Candidate to ever win an election without winning Ohio for a few decades.

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Bob Dole, 37th President of The United States of America.

January 20, 1973

Bob Dole is inaugurated as 37th President of The United States of America. Meanwhile in The Soviet Union, Nikolai Podgorny dies in a car wreck, Leonid Brezhnev becomes dictator of The Soviet Union.

July 29, 1973

The USSR invades the city of Belgrade. Yugoslavia was cornered around Warsaw Pact Nations' therefore it was hard to defend itself, after weeks of fighting, Yugoslavia surrendered to the USSR after President Tito was assassinated. The USSR renames Yugoslavia " The People's Socialist Federation of Yugoslavia" and puts Konstantin Chernenko of The Soviet Union as President of Yugoslavia. The international community, especially NATO, disagrees with the Soviet Union's actions. Bob Dole commands The Soviet forces to leave Yugoslavia, but the USSR refuses.

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October 8, 1973

Austria and Cyprus, to more protection from The USSR, requests to join NATO. The NATO officials look over their applications and consider them.

October 16, 1973

Austria and Cyprus are admitted to NATO. Austria and Cyprus both hold celebrations and declare October 16 as "Admitting Day". This holiday is to celebrate their acceptance into NATO. The Soviet Union strongly disapproves of this "Cowardly request." The Soviet Union also plans to invade Afghanistan, an oil trading parter to NATO.

November 6, 1973

Resolution Stop Soviet Aggression is sent to the UNSC, however, The Soviet Union vetoes it. This makes the International Community hate the USSR even more.

November 22, 1973

The Soviets invade Afghanistan, and didn't take as long to conquer than Yugoslavia, due to no nearby nation willing to help defend themselves. The USSR declares Afghanistan Communist and forces it to stop selling oil to the US. The United States declares war on The Soviet Union for " needlessly conquering neutral territory" and "breaking international law." NATO approves of this action, and sides with the US. Mexico, Israel, and Japan also side with the United States. The Warsaw Pact sides with the Soviet Union. Oddly Pakistan, and not surprisingly Mongolia and North Korea side with The USSR. China declares neutrality due to economic ties with the US.

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U.S. President Bob Dole at declaration of war speech.

More to Come.

Interesting, but I've a few issues/questions.

How does Bob Dole gain the nomination?
How does Russia defeat Afghanistan so easily when in RL it turned into a Soviet Vietnam?
Why does America go to war so quickly in a time of MAD?
Does Bob Dole mention Bob Dole when Bob Dole declares war against the enemies of Bob Dole?

1. He decides to run for senator a few years earlier, and becomes popular when he runs for president in 1972, due to an endorsement from Ronald Reagan. (remember Reagan was a famous actor before politics?)
2. I am compiling all that up
3. what the hell is MAD?
4. Yes, and that was sure as hell confusing to read your question. XD. "Bob Dole's head hurts!"

Interesting, but I've a few issues/questions.
How does Russia defeat Afghanistan so easily when in RL it turned into a Soviet Vietnam?

That's what I was wondering.

Maybe I should butterfly any hopes of The Taliban or instead making the Soviets being more prepared.

The GDR didn't do independent operations. Particularly with regards to West Germany. Particularly around that time, when Ulbricht was sick and moved out of the way and Honecker was just taking charge.

You'd be more likely to see it the other way around, and even that only about 20 years before 1973.

3. what the hell is MAD?


You're doing an alternate history of the Cold War and don't even know what MAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction) is?

Hey, if Russia defeats Yugoslavia with ease, why can't they defeat Afghansitan with ease? Both Yugoslavia and Afhanistan had nice guerilla armies; in order to "defeat" the Serbian forces, NATO bombed Serbian civillians in Belgrade.

Also, Cyprus asking for protection from Russia? Ok if you want a WWII you have to be more realistic.

The USSR in this case should be led by Beria, who somehow survives...
The US is led by Curtis LeMay...

LeMay decides to invade Poland, Beria is ready to invade France. There's your WWIII, not with Brezhnev and Cyprus. This is just too unrealistic. Wayy too unrealistic.

Lyndon Johnson couldn't have run as an incumbent in 1972. If he had been re-elected in 1968, that would have been his second and last term.

Okay thank you all, fixing it.

Since you don't know what MAD is...I'll tell you.

It stands for Mutually Assured Destruction.
It was the belief(fact really) that if the USA and USSR ever went to all out war,then both nations and likely the whole planet would be utterly destroyed.

Yeah, I'd say that the world would be a smoking wasteland, but assuming for some reason that when the Soviets invade their neighbors to the west they don't make Europe feel like they're next (which wouldn't happen) I'd say that the US would continue the draft from the Vietnam war, and well, go to war in Europe again.

EDIT: Oh, and Russia would win Europe because basically the only thing holding back the Red Army was the knowledge that if they moved their entire country would get nuked. It was called deterrence, and it worked (reasonably well).

You're doing an alternate history of the Cold War and don't even know what MAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction) is?

Seriously. Even I know what it is, and I'm just a Junior in High School.

Well, about the MAD (Thanks for the info), I could make the MAD not wanted, because I'm not wanting to end the story quickly, and here is a hint

(WARNING: SPOILER)

The US will cripple the supply of Soviet resources, there will be more than combat that decides the war. Economy will also be a major factor.

The USSR decides to attack neutral Countries, in order to spread communism, and/or expand the Warsaw Pact. It invades Yugoslavia, due to Tito's constant refusal to join the WP. Meanwhile, East German Guards cross the wall and attack West Berlin, although retreated due to lack of help (it was an independent operation.) NATO commands the Soviet Union to stop, or else. The USSR does not listen, and then invades Afghanistan as well.

What's the specific casus belli here? I don't get the reasons for any of those acts.

November 7, 1972

Republican Nominee Bob Dole beats Incumbent George McGovern in the General Election.

What happened to Nixon?

The Soviet Union also plans to invade Afghanistan, an oil trading parter to NATO.
The USSR declares Afghanistan Communist and forces it to stop selling oil to the US.

What Afghani oil?

The United States declares war on The Soviet Union for " needlessly conquering neutral territory" and "breaking international law."

That's just silly.

NATO approves of this action, and sides with the US. Mexico, Israel, and Japan also side with the United States.

Japan? Yeah, but why mention Mexico and Israel?

Oddly Pakistan, and not surprisingly Mongolia and North Korea side with The USSR.

Hmmm... Why do you have Pakistan in the Soviet camp?

China declares neutrality due to economic ties with the US.

Err... 1) China didn't really have any economic ties with the US at the time you're talking about. That didn't really start to happen until after Deng Xiaoping met with Carter in 1979.

2) In the late sixties and early seventies time frame, the USSR and the PRC were primed more for war against each other than against the US.

More to Come.

Might I suggest a re-think, after doing a bit of research into current-events.

November 25, 1973
The ducks eventually take over. Daffy is elected slave driver. Humans are set to work cleaning out duck crap 24/7. Humanity devolves to become creatures similar to packmules.

*exits with significant flare*

November 25, 1973
The ducks eventually take over. Daffy is elected slave driver. Humans are set to work cleaning out duck crap 24/7. Humanity devolves to become creatures similar to packmules.

*exits with significant flare*

Sec. of Duckfense Donald begins planning of a worldwide Mallard takeover, however, a lone figure stood up against the tyranny of the hairless apes. with his intrepid band of freedom fighters, he begins a war to bring down the Ducktatorship of Daffy and his feathered fiends.

later, his likeness is immortalized in history books, but his true identity is never known.

*Salutes*
http://www.c4vct.com/kym/kimsart/dwpose.jpg

Sec. of Duckfense Donald begins planning of a worldwide Mallard takeover, however, a lone figure stood up against the tyranny of the hairless apes. with his intrepid band of freedom fighters, he begins a war to bring down the Ducktatorship of Daffy and his feathered fiends.

later, his likeness is immortalized in history books, but his true identity is never known.

*Salutes*
http://www.c4vct.com/kym/kimsart/dwpose.jpg

*throws underwear*
*faints from adoration*

Although I normally like alternate history threads WWIII starting between the US and USSR was impossible.

To make a long story short it would have been pointless and impracticle.

A USSR invasion of the US is impraticle and hard to pull off. The reverse is the same situation.

A more likely situation is the USSR invading Western Europe which is stupid because it would have drawn retaliation from the US.

We didn't let Patton invade China for a reason. I doubt it would have drawn in the USSR but it would have been to costly. We probably would have taken them out rather quickly but the occupation would be like that of Iraq in that people wouldn't want to see the casulties mounting up and the money falling away. The USSR would have seriously bolstered in the east, threatning Japan.

The only way we'd get enough troops is by a draft which would have been too unpopular with the American people.

Vietnam would have stopped becuase of the overwhelmong US precense in East Asia, but still we would have needed proably a million + troops to sustain this thing.

I think things worked out the most practicle methods in history.

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Besides WWIII was sort of fought. Through a ton or proxy-wars.

Although I normally like alternate history threads WWIII starting between the US and USSR was impossible.

They can be.

To make a long story short it would have been pointless and impracticle.

This one was.

A USSR invasion of the US is impraticle and hard to pull off. The reverse is the same situation.

Err... Are we talking about the same thing? The OP posited a Soviet invasion of Yugoslavia, the FRG, and Afghanistan...

A more likely situation is the USSR invading Western Europe which is stupid because it would have drawn retaliation from the US.

Which was the OP's point, however poorly designed.

We didn't let Patton invade China for a reason.

Err.. Did you mean MacArthur? Patton was never in a position to invade China, and by the time the US might have done so, he'd be dead for several years.

I doubt it would have drawn in the USSR but it would have been to costly. We probably would have taken them out rather quickly but the occupation would be like that of Iraq in that people wouldn't want to see the casulties mounting up and the money falling away. The USSR would have seriously bolstered in the east, threatning Japan.

The only way we'd get enough troops is by a draft which would have been too unpopular with the American people.

Vietnam would have stopped becuase of the overwhelmong US precense in East Asia, but still we would have needed proably a million + troops to sustain this thing.

I think things worked out the most practicle methods in history.

I'm now confused by what you were attempting to address. Were you suggesting the US attempt to occupy and stabilise China prior to 1949, invade China afterwards, or take on the PRC in the 1972/3 time frame? The first would have been dubious, the second stupid, and the third incredibly stupid

Besides WWIII was sort of fought. Through a ton or proxy-wars.

Indeed.

We didn't let Patton invade China for a reason.
Mostly because he was in Bavaria.

I'm new to Alternate History, so I'll need help, and I was rushed. ( I barely have any free time.)