NationStates Jolt Archive


How to treat a witness to a crime: Houston Style

UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
28-04-2008, 20:11
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352938,00.html


What a nice way to prosecute the people who raped your daughter: try to kill the witnesses.
Heikoku
28-04-2008, 20:20
I wonder if the guy feels like testifying now.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
28-04-2008, 20:34
they'll probably keep the dad away from the court room.
Heikoku
28-04-2008, 20:39
they'll probably keep the dad away from the court room.

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and I'm not afraid to use it! :D
Kryozerkia
28-04-2008, 20:49
Watch it, I have an

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As for keeping the parent from the court, unless there is an injunction barring the father from the trial, there is no reason why he wouldn't be allowed unless he was held on charges without bail.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
28-04-2008, 20:50
I'm just speculating. But it would make sense that if the dad is out to kill the witnesses, they would want to make sure the dad is not able to go near the witnesses. Whether this means they'll keep him from the court house while the witnesses are testifying is speculative.
Heikoku
28-04-2008, 20:50
I see your O RLY and raise you ping pong O RLY catz!

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Well, that leaves me one option...

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Okay, I'll stop now. ;)
Heikoku
28-04-2008, 20:51
I'm just speculating. But it would make sense that if the dad is out to kill the witnesses, they would want to make sure the dad is not able to go near the witnesses. Whether this means they'll keep him from the court house while the witnesses are testifying is speculative.

That's your roundabout way of saying YA RLY. :p
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
28-04-2008, 20:51
I see your O RLY and raise you ping pong O RLY catz!

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As for keeping the parent from the court, unless there is an injunction barring the father from the trial, there is no reason why he wouldn't be allowed unless he was held on charges without bail.

Surely they have enough to charge him with attempted murder.
Kryozerkia
28-04-2008, 20:52
I'm just speculating. But it would make sense that if the dad is out to kill the witnesses, they would want to make sure the dad is not able to go near the witnesses. Whether this means they'll keep him from the court house while the witnesses are testifying is speculative.

Then by that logic, almost every case that has a suspect on trial for murder wouldn't see the witness in court because then they would want to reduce the chance of the witness being murdered.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
28-04-2008, 20:55
But the murderer in those cases is locked up during the trial. In this case, the dad will probably get released, despite his attempted murder of a witness.
Heikoku
28-04-2008, 20:59
But the murderer in those cases is locked up during the trial. In this case, the dad will probably get released, despite his attempted murder of a witness.

Why would he?
Kryozerkia
28-04-2008, 20:59
Surely they have enough to charge him with attempted murder.

Even if they do, there is still a chance the man could apply for bail and get that bail granted.

But the murderer in those cases is locked up during the trial. In this case, the dad will probably get released, despite his attempted murder of a witness.

According to the article, the father never tried to assault the witness. The father vented his anger against the boy who alleged assaulted his daughter.
Heikoku
28-04-2008, 21:06
Even if they do, there is still a chance the man could apply for bail and get that bail granted.



According to the article, the father never tried to assault the witness. The father vented his anger against the boy who alleged assaulted his daughter.

If the boy had turned out to be innocent and died in his hands, I wonder if he'd sacrifice himself to bring the boy back.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
28-04-2008, 21:25
Even if they do, there is still a chance the man could apply for bail and get that bail granted.



According to the article, the father never tried to assault the witness. The father vented his anger against the boy who alleged assaulted his daughter.

"The father of a Houston-area teenager was arrested Monday for stabbing a male student who allegedly witnessed a sexual assault involving the man's daughter"

"After the parents saw a male student who was allegedly present during the assault, the father stabbed the boy three times, a school spokesperson said."

Where in the article does it say the boy he attacked was the one who raped his daughter????
Mead Chuggin Granny
28-04-2008, 21:57
If the father of the girl who was assaulted attacked a material witness to the crime, that could have 1 of 2 implications.

1: The father was enraged that the individual that he stabbed didn't do anything to help his daughter.

2: The Father did it
Tmutarakhan
28-04-2008, 22:09
1: The father was enraged that the individual that he stabbed didn't do anything to help his daughter.

This appears to be the story.
Domici
28-04-2008, 22:47
But the murderer in those cases is locked up during the trial. In this case, the dad will probably get released, despite his attempted murder of a witness.

No way. This is Texas. He tried to kill a High-school student. Yes, he's still on good footing there, but he didn't use a gun!

He's toast.
JuNii
28-04-2008, 22:49
wow... talk about jumping to conclusions...

HOUSTON — The father of a Houston-area teenager was arrested Monday for stabbing a male student who allegedly witnessed a sexual assault involving the man's daughter.

The man and his wife had gone to Wunsche High School in the Spring school district north of Houston to tell administrators about the assault, which they said took place off campus over the weekend. Their daughter is a student at the school.

After the parents saw a male student who was allegedly present during the assault, the father stabbed the boy three times, a school spokesperson said.

The stabbing victim was taken to a hospital in The Woodlands, where he was listed in good condition.

The father was arrested by Spring ISD police.

The girl's parents had reported the sexual assault to Harris County Constable Precinct 4 over the weekend, according to the school spokesperson.

by this article alone (and lacking in ALOT of information)
is the student a witness or an Alledged witness or participant?
was the student really there, or allegedly there?

The man went to the campus to tell them of the assault... wouldn't the police be the first people to call?

too many things missing.
Kryozerkia
28-04-2008, 22:58
wow... talk about jumping to conclusions...


by this article alone (and lacking in ALOT of information)
is the student a witness or an Alledged witness or participant?
was the student really there, or allegedly there?

The man went to the campus to tell them of the assault... wouldn't the police be the first people to call?

too many things missing.

That's why I don't suspect the boy was a witness. After all, why would the father attack someone who could potentially testify in his daughter's favour? At least that's how I see it. I could be wrong. But that doesn't change that you make good points.

Plus this is also FAUX news, there is more than a few things missing.
New Genoa
28-04-2008, 23:06
That's why I don't suspect the boy was a witness. After all, why would the father attack someone who could potentially testify in his daughter's favour? At least that's how I see it. I could be wrong. But that doesn't change that you make good points.

Plus this is also FAUX news, there is more than a few things missing.

People are idiots?
Kryozerkia
28-04-2008, 23:16
People are idiots?

So, you're including yourself in that grim assessment, right? :D
JuNii
28-04-2008, 23:22
That's why I don't suspect the boy was a witness. After all, why would the father attack someone who could potentially testify in his daughter's favour? At least that's how I see it. I could be wrong. But that doesn't change that you make good points.

Plus this is also FAUX news, there is more than a few things missing.

to tell the truth, I don't mind the missing bits.

after all, the name of the victim(s) shouldn't be released, and neither should specifics (such as was the boy a witness or participant, was it rape or just sexual assault.)

now after the trial(s)... no holds barred.
Kryozerkia
28-04-2008, 23:31
to tell the truth, I don't mind the missing bits.

after all, the name of the victim(s) shouldn't be released, and neither should specifics (such as was the boy a witness or participant, was it rape or just sexual assault.)

now after the trial(s)... no holds barred.

Yes, some should be withheld to ensure an impartial jury. To some extent it's a good idea. Though it leads some people like the OP to assume that the person who was attacked was an innocent victim.
JuNii
28-04-2008, 23:35
Yes, some should be withheld to ensure an impartial jury. To some extent it's a good idea. Though it leads some people like the OP to assume that the person who was attacked was an innocent victim.

rather it be withheld for a fair Jury Trial.
Kryozerkia
28-04-2008, 23:37
rather it be withheld for a fair Jury Trial.

Oh of course. Just pointing out that this person is a potential member of that jury pool. ;)
Regenius
28-04-2008, 23:56
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352938,00.html


What a nice way to prosecute the people who raped your daughter: try to kill the witnesses.

To be fair, *enter speculation mode* if I were to encounter a young man who had witnessed the sexual assault of my daughter, and done nothing I'd probably stab the kid for his inaction as well...
Gun Manufacturers
29-04-2008, 00:13
Watch it, I have an

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and I'm not afraid to use it! :D

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Skyland Mt
29-04-2008, 00:27
This man could have blamed the witness for having stood by while the attack took place, or he could have just been distraught and acting with out reason.

I can think of some more sinister posibillities, however. Its possible I supose that the father could have been the perpetrator, but there seems no reason to believe that. Considering the region (Texas), this guy is probably a right-wing sexually puritanical fudementallist Christian. Granted the average religeous right winger is not completely nuts, but if the Taliban can kill a woman because she was raped, could their be at least a possibillity that he wanted the student dead simply because he witnessed his daughter's rape?

Please understand that I'm not asuming anything here, I'm merely speculating with my cynical and morbid imagination.
greed and death
29-04-2008, 03:30
or the paper is being neutral and the person present also participated in some way. wow maybe his daughter was gang banged.

though point of order Spring is not Houston its a suburb.