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Simple, do you approve of the US-Britain Alliance?

Absolutely. We should develop further special relationships with other pleasant countries as well.

why wouldn't we?

I'm in mai harbor tozzin' out ur T.

I would say it is extremely important. It is also important that the UK have good ties with Europe. However I don't believe a relationship like the US/UK could manifest itself with Europe.

Its not imperative, but it certainly works out well for the both of us.

why wouldn't we?

Well, I personally approve of it, and i hear the majority of Americans do, but i hear that there are allot of Britons who think theyre getting the "Short end of the Stick" so to speak...

Granted, that information did come from Wikipedia, so it could be wrong, lol...

I think the crew of our largest aircraft carrier should mutiny.

The closer the ties between the US and the UK the better. Sister nations.

Sure I approve. But the US should develop very close relationships with other nations as well.


As an aside, it should not be suprisng thatthe UK and US are close. Our people, culture, and governments are very similar.


Wonder why that is....;)

I think Britain should become the 51st state. Maybe make it into a couple of states. Either way, American citizenship for all!

It was fine three years ago, but now? Now, Britain better come foward with a ring or we're breaking it off. Canada has already asked us out twice, and Ireland has cast a few glances. There are plenty of other fish in the sea.

God save the Queen...as she waves her star-spangled banner...

Sure. UKians are our homeboys. Our brothers from another mother. Our fuckbuddies. Why should we not keep our fruitful relationship?

If I were British I wouldn't...I'm american, though. frankly, since american citizens seem to suck at keeping their runaway government in line, I wouldn't at all protest the EU being less than amicable and pressuring the US to shape up. as I'm considering emigrating to the EU, I hope that wouldn't ruin my personal chances too badly...

Yes, I do.

I would approve, but who's the male and who's the female?

I would approve, but who's the male and who's the female?

Depends what national figure we use. I think that Lady Liberty and Britannia might sell some Pay Per View if they ever got together...


Uncle Sam and John Bull, not so much.

Depends what national figure we use. I think that Lady Liberty and Britannia might sell some Pay Per View if they ever got together...


Uncle Sam and John Bull, not so much.
That may sell more, actually. I'd love to see two old men getting it on.

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Simple, do you approve of the US-Britain Alliance?

As long as it's between consenting adults, why not?

That may sell more, actually. I'd love to see two old men getting it on.

I don't think there's that much of a market for old gay porn. But that's just me.

Depends what national figure we use. I think that Lady Liberty and Britannia might sell some Pay Per View if they ever got together...


Uncle Sam and John Bull, not so much.

what about all four.

Sure! I always had a fondness for a lion with the wings of an eagle.

The EU is nice but to be honest it seems the US and the UK will always be closer.

As long as our bitch keeps putting out.

I wouldn't say I'm against it as such, but I disliked the pandering our government did to yours over things like Iraq. I don't think the relationship should be cut off, and it is good we can maintain good ties with both the US and Europe.

I think the poll would be better if it took into account whether the respondent was from the UK or the US or elsewhere.

Personally I would prefer if we in the UK tied our flag to the EU mast rather than the US one. Although I would want friendly relations to continue with the US.

Cerean;13649469']As long as our bitch keeps putting out.

Speaking as a Brit, I would say that that is the best analysis of the 'Special Relationship' that I have ever seen.

let me put it this way: i live in the u.s and i wouldn't trust it any further then i could throw it, not with the forign policy of demonizing everything that refuses to put little green pieces of paper ahead of the real effects of real policies on real people, places and things, it has had for just about as long as i've been alive if not longer. and looking at what that policy, what effect it has had on the rest of the world. if anything, gb needs to be setting the example that empire doesn't pay. it certainly learned that lesson the hard way. why it should be kissing up to anyone who hasn't, just because it happens to be the most destructive force on the planet for the moment. whatever might makes, it isn't lovability nor trustworthyness.

and its not as if something couldn't be done about that if everybody else got togather to do so.

=^^=
.../\...

It's about time the US was given a guiding hand so now the Queen is planning to revoke US independence.

We thought you could handle it, then you elected Bush, twice. We see your still the immature lot that threw our tea into the harbour.

Well now you lose everything, you're grounded for the next year and you are not allowed to see Canada again.

As a citizen of the United Kingdom, I find it humiliating and degrading that our government seems to act like an abused, terrified partner every time the US wants something from us, especially since we never get anything from the relationship except dead troops, consistently bad decisions and the hatred of other nations.

The interests of the United Kingdom, I think, would be better served by a closer relationship with the European Union and encouraging positive relations between the EU and the Middle East. In other areas beyond the EU and MidEast, the Commonwealth should be the primary focus, building strong friendships with India (with whom we have MUCH more in common than the states), Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand, and using our relationship with Hong Kong as a springboard to better relations with China.

I wouldn't say I'm against it as such, but I disliked the pandering our government did to yours over things like Iraq. I don't think the relationship should be cut off, and it is good we can maintain good ties with both the US and Europe.

My understanding is there are two sides pulling most of our allies.

1. fear that the US will unilaterally get them involved in some mess like Iraq.

2. fear that the US will not provide assistance if it doesn't really benefit/directly involve the US like world War I/II.

#1 often gets ignored for fear it will lead to #2 latter on down the road.

I like how the English guy is a fat mess, but the American isn't. Teeheehee.

Depends on how you define 'special relationship'. Sure, I support an alliance with the USA, as do many countries, but that's what NATO is for. After all, we both go back a long way and have several common interests. What I don't support is the notion that the UK is some sort of bridge between the EU and USA, as if the President of the European Commission can't be contacted by the White House. Or the idea that the UK has some kind of influence or sway over the USA, as Tony Blair thought and discovered, to his cost, that it can seem to the electorate that the relationship is one way, and not in the direction he intended. Or that the 'Special Relationship' should come before any of our other alliances in NATO and the EU.

Now that us Brits are getting out of bed, It'll be interesting to see more responses from our side of the Atlantic.

It fits, superpowers need sidekicks just like superheros. US & UK are like Batman & Robin, Sonic & Tails or Mario & Luigi.

As a citizen of the United Kingdom, I find it humiliating and degrading that our government seems to act like an abused, terrified partner every time the US wants something from us, especially since we never get anything from the relationship except dead troops, consistently bad decisions and the hatred of other nations.
I don't see something like Iraq as being the direct result of the special relationship. I don't think the USA demanded that we go with them into Iraq at all. The fault for British involvement lies entirely with Blair as he voluntarily committed this country to the Americans long before the British people or even parliament had a say, and even then it was based on lies.

The interests of the United Kingdom, I think, would be better served by a closer relationship with the European Union and encouraging positive relations between the EU and the Middle East. In other areas beyond the EU and MidEast, the Commonwealth should be the primary focus, building strong friendships with India (with whom we have MUCH more in common than the states), Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand, and using our relationship with Hong Kong as a springboard to better relations with China.
Yes, but is the Commonwealth interested? I mean, we should have good relationships with the Commonwealth, but I doubt any Commonwealth member states will really want to be committed to a more concrete alliance now thay have been independent for a number of years and feel thay can stand on their own two feet pursuing their own foreign policy. I just don't see the Commonwealth forming a bloc powerful enough to channel the UK's national interests.

Dr. Evil and Mini-Me?

I think Britain should become the 51st state. Maybe make it into a couple of states. Either way, American citizenship for all!

God save the Queen...as she waves her star-spangled banner...

Sure. UKians are our homeboys. Our brothers from another mother. Our fuckbuddies. Why should we not keep our fruitful relationship?

I would approve, but who's the male and who's the female?

*shoots these posters*
I see nothing wrong with a good relationship between the US and UK.
The War in Iraq and Afghanistan were mostly about oil as far as i'm concerned, throwing out a dictator was merely a bonus.
Both countries broke the rules to have their war on very little evidence, Blair acted on his own, and Bush is a puppet to his advisors.

What i would like to see change is the economic issues in each of these countries, and a decision about whether the UK is just an extension of the US or will it follow it's own lead and grow some balls for once. and just move out of Iraq.

I would say it is extremely important. It is also important that the UK have good ties with Europe. However I don't believe a relationship like the US/UK could manifest itself with Europe.

Both France and Germany seem to have indicated a willingness to develop better relations with the US than they had at the time of the invasion of Iraq.

A good relationship, yeah. But not what we have at the moment where our government bends over and takes any request the American government asks of it with getting anything in return.

I'd prefer it if the British Government looked towards Europe a lot more than it currently does.

I'll conceed that the UK probably does get a lot of benefit from the "special relationship", but in my opinion we don't get as much benefit as the Americans do, especially concerning the Iraq War, whereby British troops were sent into a conflict that a large proportion of the British public didn't want, for little to no gain for the UK. The government also lied through its teeth to get us into the war, what with the whole claim about Saddam being able to deploy weapons of mass destruction in 45 minutes.

I also doubt there'd be much support for any of this 51st State bollocks amongst the ordinary people of the UK any time soon, unless something comes along that massively changes the world.

I think Britain should become the 51st state. Maybe make it into a couple of states. Either way, American citizenship for all!

Or how about not! Seriously, we don't want US citizenship thank you very much.

I wouldn't say I'm against it as such, but I disliked the pandering our government did to yours over things like Iraq. I don't think the relationship should be cut off, and it is good we can maintain good ties with both the US and Europe.


Personally I would prefer if we in the UK tied our flag to the EU mast rather than the US one. Although I would want friendly relations to continue with the US.

Agreed. I think that culturally, geographically and economically we have a lot more in common with the EU than the US and we should seek to build these ties and take a central role in Europe rather than all this pussy-footing around we tend to do.

A good relationship, yeah. But not what we have at the moment where our government bends over and takes any request the American government asks of it with getting anything in return.

That is probably what I resent most about the relationship is that the US seems to believe that we should do whatever we ask of them merely for the 'honour' of being called their friend. Yes, we get quite a lot of economic benefits but these go two ways. When you have issues such as immigration policies (how much information is required on travellers), extradition treaties and so on, it is grossly unbalanced and usually the US has failed to ratifiy it's end whilst still expecting us to keep our end of the bargain, even in cases where it would violate our own constitution (i.e. extraditing to a state where they still have the death penalty)

Yeah, 'cause the U.S. would totally be the top.

if anything, gb needs to be setting the example that empire doesn't pay. it certainly learned that lesson the hard way.

Taking the morality of what happened aside for a second, empire paid handsomely for Britain.

Or how about not! Seriously, we don't want US citizenship thank you very much.


I know I do.

I know I do.
Because its the shining beacon of civilisation in the world.

51st state stuff isn't fair at all guys.

We got to call it the return of British monarchy to the US.

Move the capitol to London.

change congress's name to parliament and change the senate's name to house of lords. add Wales,England,and Scotland as states.

Because its the shining beacon of civilisation in the world.

Right. God save Uncle Sam.

USA USA USA

51st state stuff isn't fair at all guys.

We got to call it the return of British monarchy to the US.

Move the capitol to London.

change congress's name to parliament and change the senate's name to house of lords. add Wales,England,and Scotland as states.

Why the hell does Northern Ireland always get left out?

Although in this scenario I suppose that wouldn't be a bad thing :p

Why the hell does Northern Ireland always get left out?

Although in this scenario I suppose that wouldn't be a bad thing :p
Exactly. Let another country pick up the pieces of British colonialism. Again.;)

While I do support the idea of free exchange between the United States and the UK, powerful Anglophiles were the ones who drew us into two world wars and made the United States into an empire through its interventions. Now, the US and UK are the muscle of 'collective security,' which is simply imperialism with better packaging. As such, I disapprove of the 'special relationship.'

I think a more apt question might be "do you really think it matters whether or not you approve."

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that nobody here is instrumental(or in any real way even involved)with setting governmental policy, and if there is one certainty in an uncertain world, it's that government will do whatever the hell it feels like.

I like how the English guy is a fat mess, but the American isn’t. Teeheehee.
John Barleycorn simply throws away all the Atkins Diet leaflets Uncle Sam keeps handing him.

I think Britain's too much America's bitch right now. Friendly relations are all well and good, but we shouldn't keep getting dragged into American conflicts when it's not at all in our interests. We should just stick to following our own national interests.

If I were British I wouldn't...I'm american, though. frankly, since american citizens seem to suck at keeping their runaway government in line, I wouldn't at all protest the EU being less than amicable and pressuring the US to shape up. as I'm considering emigrating to the EU, I hope that wouldn't ruin my personal chances too badly...

I am sure we can grant you political asylum...

Britain should leave the european union and rule itself for a change. Who knows what madcap, tinpot, half-baked laws these eastern europeans are coming up with?

Well I do.

Do you know, from the 15th of may it will now be consider an offense to walk into a bar and say to the bar-waitress, 'A pint please, love', because 'love','doll' and 'hen' and a variety of other so called sexist terms because of all these feminists going around? They can vote, what more do they want?!

No. It's like the relationship between Mussolini and Hitler. They do what we do, but better in certain aspects (monetarily, basically). This will eventually lead to our markets getting taken over, although this will take quite a white.

Do I approve? Hmm...
Computer says no. *cough*

Do you know, from the 15th of may it will now be consider an offense to walk into a bar and say to the bar-waitress, 'A pint please, love', because 'love','doll' and 'hen' and a variety of other so called sexist terms because of all these feminists going around? They can vote, what more do they want?!

Source?

I dissaprove. Probably because I'm an isolationist who wants to get us out of the UN and any allainces we might have.

Yes this friendship is beneficial and useful

However, both nations ARE more than capable of standing on their own, politically, militarily, and economically.

The UK has more friends than she can shake a stick at, she does lead the commonwealth of 52 nations. That's 52 friends to call on in times of need, the majority of the old colonial countries such as India are still on good terms, and Canada and the Aussies share the same queen.

Personally I conclude that the UK and the US should remain friends, but should not get to the stage where they are forced to rely on each other. The EU is financially a better option for the UK, and the EU already outnumbers, out guns and I think richer than the US. NATO is another decisive factor. if the US can accept the UK as its own country, and the fact she has ties with what's left of an empire, a commonwealth, the EU and NATO, where she plays key parts in all, there shouldn't be a problem.

I dissaprove. Probably because I'm an isolationist who wants to get us out of the UN and any allainces we might have.



Isolationism is impossible in this century. Its not the 18th century anymore. Being surrounded by oceans means jack.

Isolationism is impossible in this century. Its not the 18th century anymore. Being surrounded by oceans means jack.
*kicks dirt* We were still fairly isolationist before WW1...

*kicks dirt* We were still fairly isolationist before WW1...




Yeah. Lot of good that did us.


That was also before aircraft (and the internet).


Isolationists IMO need to grow up, join the rest of us in the 21s century, and realize the world is a lot smaller than it used to be.

Personnally I think us Brits are getting the bad end of the stick here, the US has for too long been an overbearing partner.

I mean until 1923 there was a very good alliance going between us Brits and the Japs, hell they supported us through WWI and probably would have done during WWII as well. But the yanks weren't having none of that, though its something I bet they regretted 20 years later.

Sides US milirtary gets to use our bases (and a few in Germany...still) to do what they please with...hell I've begun to think the US set themselves up as a world power.

France and Germany on the other hand were hoping that we would join in on this so-called 'United States of Europe', a) the frogs want our military so that an Euro army would be decent and b) the hun want our nukes since they're banned from having them.

It was good during the Cold War.

Now this "special relationship" has dragged Britain into two wars no British person wants and is causing unnecessary rift between Britain and Europe, which is definitely becoming the more important relationship.

And for some reason nobody suggests that Britain can ever stand on its own again. Sigh...what happened to the spirit of Churchill?

It's about time the US was given a guiding hand so now the Queen is planning to revoke US independence.

We thought you could handle it, then you elected Bush, twice. We see your still the immature lot that threw our tea into the harbour.

Well now you lose everything, you're grounded for the next year and you are not allowed to see Canada again.

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Yeah. Lot of good that did us.


That was also before aircraft (and the internet).


Isolationists IMO need to grow up, join the rest of us in the 21s century, and realize the world is a lot smaller than it used to be.

Actually it did. If we would've kept isolationist, we wouldn't have intervened in WW1. If we hadn't have done that Hitler wouldn't have rose to power. Without Hitler=No holocaust, and would have prevented the power vaccum that allowed the USSR to move in post-WW2.

It's about time the US was given a guiding hand so now the Queen is planning to revoke US independence.

We thought you could handle it, then you elected Bush, twice. We see your still the immature lot that threw our tea into the harbour.

Well now you lose everything, you're grounded for the next year and you are not allowed to see Canada again.

Lmfao, even as an American, thats Funny as Shit...

I cant believe this thread's done so well, none of my threads get this much attention, lol...

And, about the poll, I was mainly asking Britons, i failed to take into account how many Americans would respond, i figured we'd all approve of it...

Well, I personally approve of it, and i hear the majority of Americans do, but i hear that there are allot of Britons who think theyre getting the "Short end of the Stick" so to speak...

Granted, that information did come from Wikipedia, so it could be wrong, lol...

eyah, we're sorry about the ww1-ww2 thing. won't give you the short end of the stick like that any more. :p

It was good during the Cold War.

Now this "special relationship" has dragged Britain into two wars no British person wants and is causing unnecessary rift between Britain and Europe, which is definitely becoming the more important relationship.

And for some reason nobody suggests that Britain can ever stand on its own again. Sigh...what happened to the spirit of Churchill?

Well, Churchill got in Roosevelt's Pants a little too much for his Spirit to not submit, lol...

But, in all seriousness, Most of America hates the War in Iraq as well, but we ended up getting Screwed in 2000...and well, even I would take Bush over John Kerry...so we were screwed there too...

I expect it to get alot better soon, John McCain wants to stay in Iraq till Hell Freezes over, so i dont see him getting elected, without another Florida or Ohio Screwjob anyway...

*shoots these posters*
I see nothing wrong with a good relationship between the US and UK.
The War in Iraq and Afghanistan were mostly about oil as far as i'm concerned, throwing out a dictator was merely a bonus.
Both countries broke the rules to have their war on very little evidence, Blair acted on his own, and Bush is a puppet to his advisors.

What i would like to see change is the economic issues in each of these countries, and a decision about whether the UK is just an extension of the US or will it follow it's own lead and grow some balls for once. and just move out of Iraq.

You misunderstood what I meant. I was simply trying to be vaguely creative by showing the ties between the two countries through the names of their national anthems.

In other words, I support the relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom.

"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." ~Thomas Jefferson~

'Nuff said I'd say ...

The relationship has served both countries very well in the past, there's really no reason why they shouldn't continue to be close allies.

Sides US milirtary gets to use our bases (and a few in Germany...still) to do what they please with...hell I've begun to think the US set themselves up as a world power.


OHHHH NOOOOOOESSS!!! Because we all know that the British would never do something like this!!

Well, Churchill got in Roosevelt's Pants a little too much for his Spirit to not submit, lol...

But, in all seriousness, Most of America hates the War in Iraq as well, but we ended up getting Screwed in 2000...and well, even I would take Bush over John Kerry...so we were screwed there too...

I expect it to get alot better soon, John McCain wants to stay in Iraq till Hell Freezes over, so i dont see him getting elected, without another Florida or Ohio Screwjob anyway...

Sometimes voting is not about who you want to keep in power, but who you want out of it. Even if people hate McCain they might dislike the eventual Democrat candidate even more. But we'll see.

Right now in Britain I'm sure I want Labour out of power and let the Conservatives rule for a little while and see what they can come up to. At least they're against the war in Iraq.

In any case, now that Sarkozy is cosying up to America perhaps the relative importance of Britain will decrease? After all, if America wants to talk to Europe it talks to France, not Britain.