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I am wiccan and I was wondering if there was other wiccans on here and how many there were. I just thought it would be neat to know....... sooooooo yeah.......... just reply if ur a wiccan and tell me what u like the best about wicca. Please dont hate on wiccan anybody. ^_^

Wiccan's are baad people. They eat frogs for starters, i saw it yesterday, some crazy woman came up from the riverside with half a frog sticking out of her mouth, she said "join us, join us and be freeee!yaayahahahahahaha".
I ran away.

I dated a Wiccan once.

Odd bunch.

Wiccan's are baad people. They eat frogs for starters, i saw it yesterday, some crazy woman came up from the riverside with half a frog sticking out of her mouth, she said "join us, join us and be freeee!yaayahahahahahaha".
I ran away.

What?!? Do you have something against frogs?

Allakazam, allakazat,
Let MHiJ see where it's at!

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/ardchoille/littletoadpic.png

See what happens to baaad posters who try to frighten newcomers? Play nice, folks.

You guys are OK, I guess, but much like all of these things which are essentially cults, your insistence that you're better than the established religions is a bit tiresome.

Allakazam, allakazat,
Let MHiJ see where it's at!

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/ardchoille/littletoadpic.png

See what happens to baaad posters who try to frighten newcomers? Play nice, folks.

I doubt an actual Wiccan was frightened by MHiJ's sillyness.

AFAIK they're rather harmless (for an example, not centralised enough to be as much a nuisance as, say, Scientologists, and not as expansive).

As long as you admit your a new religion, then it all cool with me, nothing piss's me off more then a wiccan who claims it "the old way" or some such rubbish.

I doubt an actual Wiccan was frightened by MHiJ's sillyness.

I doubt MHiJ was frightened by mine, either. I was just feeling all maternal and protective.

I'm a Wii-can, I defy anyone to beat me at table tennis, I rule in many ways.

I doubt MHiJ was frightened by mine, either. I was just feeling all maternal and protective.

I don't know, being turned into a frog by you is a little scary, and I should know...
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff315/Sarothai/Smileys/winkingsmiley.gif

I used to be wiccan...but I went a little more eclectic beyond that and just became pagan.

I don't know, being turned into a frog by you is a little scary, and I should know...
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff315/Sarothai/Smileys/winkingsmiley.gif

You think you had it bad. She turned me into a newt.




Well I got better.

I don't have anything against Wicca. From the little I know about it, there's nothing wrong.

Also, not really on the subject, but about Wicca, this comic http://xkcd.com/111/

I tackled a wiccan into mud once. Very earthy folk. :)

The Wiccans I've met have been nice.

Gaians are cooler, though.

I've known a few Wiccans, seem like nice normal folks.

What I like about Wiccans is:

They don't wake me up at the weekend.

They don't tell me I'm going to hell.

They don't ask me for money.

They wear cool jewellery.

They rely on themselves.

EDIT: Oh, and another thing: cakes and ale. They're very into cakes and ale.

What I don't like about Wiccans is:

They hold their rituals at odd hours.

They have been the cause of some truly awful internet poetry.

EDIT: Their cakes and ale are both tempting and calorie-loaded.

What I like about Wiccans is:

They don't wake me up at the weekend.

They don't tell me I'm going to hell.

They don't ask me for money.

They wear cool jewellery.

They rely on themselves.

What I don't like about Wiccans is:

They hold their rituals at odd hours.

They have been the cause of some truly awful internet poetry.
LOL

The ignorance of this forum is making my head explode! I've been Wiccan for years and I can assure you I'm quite normal and have never turned anyone into a frog... Wicca isn't a new religion, it's a modern version of a collection of ancient religions, and Wiccans aren't in cults and definitely don't think they're better than any other religion.

The ignorance of this forum is making my head explode! I've been Wiccan for years and I can assure you I'm quite normal and have never turned anyone into a frog...

Who said that wiccans turn people into frogs?

Wicca isn't a new religion, it's a modern version of a collection of ancient religions,

You realize you just contradicted yourself within that one sentence, yes?

The ignorance of this forum is making my head explode! I've been Wiccan for years and I can assure you I'm quite normal and have never turned anyone into a frog... Wicca isn't a new religion, it's a modern version of a collection of ancient religions, and Wiccans aren't in cults and definitely don't think they're better than any other religion.

*tackles you into mud*

Mostly harmless.

The ignorance of this forum is making my head explode! I've been Wiccan for years and I can assure you I'm quite normal and have never turned anyone into a frog...
Learn to recognise humour, it'll save your head a lot of exploding. :)
Wicca isn't a new religion, it's a modern version of a collection of ancient religions,
Which would make it new, yes? It dates from the 50s or so, IMS. That's pretty new as far as religions go
and Wiccans aren't in cults and definitely don't think they're better than any other religion.

Are you psychically to all other wiccans? No? Then I wouldn't talk about what they all think.

I practiced Wicca for several years, then I saw the light and am now a practicing agnostic.

Wicca's ok. They don't pretend to be the one true religion and they aren't allowed to do magic (Christians read that as pray) for you without your permission.

What I like about Wiccans is:

They don't wake me up at the weekend.

They don't tell me I'm going to hell.

They don't ask me for money.

They wear cool jewellery.

They rely on themselves.

EDIT: Oh, and another thing: cakes and ale. They're very into cakes and ale.

What I don't like about Wiccans is:

They hold their rituals at odd hours.

They have been the cause of some truly awful internet poetry.

EDIT: Their cakes and ale are both tempting and calorie-loaded.

LMAO!! I've been Wiccan for coming up on five years now. That was just about the funniest thing I've read!! This thread made me lol... *is a Wiccan who actually HAS a sense of humor*

The frog thing is a running joke, Taise. I turn people into (virtual) frogs when I'm mildly miffed.

The Wiccans I know don't say it's better than other religions, just better for them. Some are into magic, some are into quantum physics, some are into both. Mental flexibility seems a criterion.

The lack of a single holy book is something I find attractive. No excuses for heresies, persecutions and other such fun activities.

So "likes" = eclecticism.

As for "cult" ... in the historian's definition, yes, it is. In the negative connotation, popular-culture definition, no, it's not. Thing is, on NSG you never know whether someone's a professor of theology or a 12-year-old fluffy bunny who calls herself Celestia WhiteRaven. (EDIT: And who might turn into a professor of theology.)

That's why "stupid" is one of those terms it's easy to misapply here.

I practiced Wicca for several years, then I saw the light and am now a practicing agnostic.

You're not a Wiccan, you're a Wiccan't!

The frog thing is a running joke, Taise. I turn people into (virtual) frogs when I'm mildly miffed.

The Wiccans I know don't say it's better than other religions, just better for them. Some are into magic, some are into quantum physics, some are into both. Mental flexibility seems a criterion.

The lack of a single holy book is something I find attractive. No excuses for heresies, persecutions and other such fun activities.

So "likes" = eclecticism.

As for "cult" ... in the historian's definition, yes, it is. In the negative connotation, popular-culture definition, no, it's not. Thing is, on NSG you never know whether someone's a professor of theology or a 12-year-old fluffy bunny who calls herself Celestia WhiteRaven.

That's why "stupid" is one of those terms it's easy to misapply here.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Fluffy_white_bunny_rabbit.jpg/102px-Fluffy_white_bunny_rabbit.jpg
Celestia WhiteRaven?

As long as you admit your a new religion, then it all cool with me, nothing piss's me off more then a wiccan who claims it "the old way" or some such rubbish.

Seconded. Welcome to NSG, Utopiazz

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No, that's not her, that's her Very Best Friend.:D

Sorry, I did a story about Wicca when it was the fastest-growing religion in Australia in the 2004 census, and I picked up some of the terms.

A fluffy bunny is someone who's seen The Craft or Charmed or some such and thinks all those special Magickal things are cool and it's time for a new wardrobe, anyway.

(Wiccans are usually nice to fluffy bunnies, knowing that they grow up and may find their way to the religion. But the main serious Wiccan group I interviewed doesn't let anyone under 18 join without the permission of a parent, and usually only if the parent attends and sees what the group does.)

The ignorance of this forum is making my head explode! I've been Wiccan for years and I can assure you I'm quite normal and have never turned anyone into a frog... Wicca isn't a new religion, it's a modern version of a collection of ancient religions, and Wiccans aren't in cults and definitely don't think they're better than any other religion.

*burns at the stake*

I've studied various pagan paths since I was 13 (so 12 years now). I have in the past called myself a Wiccan, but I don't anymore. Labels are too small and I get squirmy in them. These days I consider myself to be an agnostic atheist and a kitchen witch, with Tibetan Buddhist leanings.

I dabbled in Wicca a little bit, but returned to atheism. Wicca is a very nice religion, earth-based, and admits it's a new religion based on ancient traditions. It's not out for power, not out for influence, and takes conversion very seriously (sucks that they're not too fond of teens joining their covens though, but I can understand that they don't want to be sued or arrested for no reason other than that they "brainwashed" mommy and daddy's little baby). There's no central body in Wicca or any Pagan sect.

However Wicca does have its share of nuts, like any other religion. There are a few people who join Wicca just because they wear all black and like anything magick... idiots, Wicca isn't all about the magick nor is magick always important to a Wiccan. I've been on dozens of Wiccan/Pagan websites and NONE of them are very fluffy bunny-friendly. On the other hand, there are some that are nothing but fluffy bunnies who do little but write terrible poetry and spout "blessed be!" at every turn... :headbang:

I am wiccan and I was wondering if there was other wiccans on here and how many there were. I just thought it would be neat to know....... sooooooo yeah.......... just reply if ur a wiccan and tell me what u like the best about wicca. Please dont hate on wiccan anybody. ^_^

I´ve read about it a couple of years ago. I even thought about becoming one. Then I realized there´s a lot of commitment there and just let it pass. I do think the principles of Wicca are very good, specially in its treatment of nature and love. Of course, I also know there a several denominations, but I guess these all adhere to a common cause.

I don't want to start a separate thread, so I'll post here (it's still about neo-Paganic movements).

Are followers of Asatru noticeably more than the general public eager to go to war, or something (death in battle the way to Valhalla etc.)?

My opinion on Wicca is divided. When I have attempted dialogue with various groups, I've had more support from Wiccans than from any other group, but also more death threats.

The Christians, on the other hand, are polite at first, and then quietly ban me so they can pretend I don't exist.

For honest debates with a minimum of drama, however, I've got to go with the atheists and agnostics.

Oh, and I think modern Wiccans are a lot like early Christians: small groups gathering in defiance of the authorities and/or convention, no hierarchy, no canonical scripture, with a concentration on loving one another. Hopefully the Wiccans won't let happen to them what Christians did.

"Nowadays every girl with a henna tattoo and a spice rack thinks she's a sister to the dark ones."

I am Wiccan too...the best thing about Wiccans is how tolerant they are of everyone else...they have no desire to impose their will or ideology on anyone not even other Wiccans.

The ignorance of this forum is making my head explode! I've been Wiccan for years and I can assure you I'm quite normal and have never turned anyone into a frog... Wicca isn't a new religion, it's a modern version of a collection of ancient religions, and Wiccans aren't in cults and definitely don't think they're better than any other religion.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/Strawman.jpg
Seriously, have you read this thread? Who said it was a cult? Who said Wiccans think they're better than anyone else? Better yet, who said they're nice, normal folks?

Now if you want to start an argument over the newt bit, you'll need to take it up with Monty Python's Flying Circus...

I am waiting for the typical anti-religious group to jump in and comment about Wicca. Seems they are absent.

I don't think I've ever met a 'Wiccan' who wasn't a poseur. I sometimes wonder if any real ones actually exist.

I don't want to start a separate thread, so I'll post here (it's still about neo-Paganic movements).

Are followers of Asatru noticeably more than the general public eager to go to war, or something (death in battle the way to Valhalla etc.)?

Not the ones I know. Wonderful, wonderful people, very loving and welcoming, and none too fond of the skinhead extremist idiots. Still, I wouldn't go out of my way to piss them off either.

I don't want to start a separate thread, so I'll post here (it's still about neo-Paganic movements).

Are followers of Asatru noticeably more than the general public eager to go to war, or something (death in battle the way to Valhalla etc.)?

Although I'm new to Asatru, I think you can sleep in peace about that. In all the books about Asatru writen by Asatruari that I've read there has been nothing glorifying battle or calling for war. In fact: there seems to be more warnings about the dangers of being one of Odin's favorites as that can lead to an early death, should Odin decide he needs you in Valhalla!

None of the Asatruari I know (including myself) are calling for a return to Viking era activities. Rather we look to that time through the knowledge we still have and draw inspiration from that to live in a modern world, based upon the values, ethics, lessons, and knowledge about the Gods we can gain - and in what we learn from our personal relationships with the Gods.

Edit: as the previous poster alluded too - there are the heathen Asatruari and those that hold to Asatru from a political/social/racial perspective. I hold to the former and my answer is based upon that. I'm sure someone from the latter persuasion would think differently....

All the confusion would be cleared up if people would just consult . . .


wait for it . . .


Wiccapedia :rolleyes:

All the confusion would be cleared up if people would just consult . . .


wait for it . . .


Wiccapedia :rolleyes:

*groans*

All the confusion would be cleared up if people would just consult . . .


wait for it . . .


Wiccapedia :rolleyes:

*groans*

*throws popcorn*

*throws popcorn*

*catches it in his mouth*
OM NOM NOM NOM!

Not a wiccan but I think wiccans have the right to practice their faith however they want.

You guys are OK, I guess, but much like all of these things which are essentially cults, your insistence that you're better than the established religions is a bit tiresome.

What is exactly is the difference between a minor religion claiming to better than all other religions and the claims of Islam and Christianity to be supposedly better than all religions??

All religions make the claim that their is only path. This characteristic is not just limited to so called cults.

All religions make the claim that their is only path. This characteristic is not just limited to so called cults.
I beg to differ. Not all religions. Polytheistic religions are a lot more liberal in this. Take Hinduism as an example. Every Hindu I spok to sayd something like: "Yes, christianity ia a way to reach your fulfillment, but it is not the only one."
Back to wicca. I never met a wiccan, or if I did, I did not recognice him as wiccan, so I can't talk abot that.

I beg to differ. Not all religions. Polytheistic religions are a lot more liberal in this. Take Hinduism as an example. Every Hindu I spok to sayd something like: "Yes, christianity ia a way to reach your fulfillment, but it is not the only one."
Back to wicca. I never met a wiccan, or if I did, I did not recognice him as wiccan, so I can't talk abot that.

I am aware of that. I was addressing the view that only "cults" think they are the only true religion. I was pointing that other religions such Christianity and Islam, both major religions, preach they are the only true religion. Your religion does not have to be a cult to teach this philosophy of uniqueness.

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Many thanks, I was quite curious.
However I have to admit I find it a bit sad when people turn to be less badass than I presumed

What is exactly is the difference between a minor religion claiming to better than all other religions and the claims of Islam and Christianity to be supposedly better than all religions??

All religions make the claim that their is only path. This characteristic is not just limited to so called cults.

Actually not all religions. It's mostly (though not entirely) an abrahamic thing.

Actually not all religions. It's mostly (though not entirely) an abrahamic thing.

Yeah, that Yah-who dude can get a lil touchy about relationships. I mean, who gets all exclusive after a first date? Sounds kinda controlling and dysfunctional to me . . .

I consider myself a closet Wiccan. I don't believe in the practicing of Magick as i tend to side more to a scientific path nor do i belong to any Covens... (in the uk, seems a cool thing for teen 'wiccans' to do thinking they can cast spells and such *lolz*)

I like the ideaology of treating everything with respect although, on iunternet forums i do have a tendancy to lose my rag (I guess thats the computer screen makes me hardermentality or some such)

Mostly though it, Ive begun reading up on some of the more ancient religions that wicca borrows from and it does make quite an interesting read.

My girlfriends Wiccan, if that counts. If shes any indication, Wiccans are cool.

Wiccan was cool in high school. the chicks were hot and into freaky things.
After high school Wiccan chicks seem to have gotten fat.
the rare times i found a skinny Wiccan chick she turned out to be jail bait.

since then I have moved onto Hippies they are often skinny form undernourishment and will trade a night of fun for a nicely cooked vegetarian dinner(I put some meat juice in because they need the protein).

Yeah, that Yah-who dude can get a lil touchy about relationships. I mean, who gets all exclusive after a first date? Sounds kinda controlling and dysfunctional to me . . .

A tad of the megalomania and egomania too, but most leaders of large numbers of people seems to have that quality, so it figures really. :D

I respect Wicca. In fact, I respect all religions but Scientology and those that worship/provide orgies to supposed 'Messiahs' that turn out to be good con artists. Moonies and Branch Davidians, I'm watching you!

All the confusion would be cleared up if people would just consult . . .


wait for it . . .


Wiccapedia :rolleyes:

What an enchanting suggestion.

I'm an Omnitheistic Discordian myself.

I've found that quite a few people who call themselves Wiccans do not know the tenets of Wicca, instead using it as a catch-all term for various neopagan religions.

All the confusion would be cleared up if people would just consult . . .


wait for it . . .


Wiccapedia :rolleyes:

http://www.lafferty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fail-24.jpg

http://www.lafferty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fail-24.jpg

/wail! Shot down by Nuevo Pancake! :(

One of my best friends is a wiccan. CL probably wouldn';t consider him a true wiccan, but the other people here would.

To be honest, Wicca is one of the few religions I've seen that don't contain something that outright declares it unfit for my attention (the others being Buddhism and Shinto). None of them are appropriate for me, though. Maybe I'll get really bored sometime and hammer together a religion that satisfies me, but for now "create happiness while avoiding unhappiness" is good enough for me.

As for hostility to other religions, I'd say it's more of a monotheistic thing than an abrahamic thing. Polytheism already has multiple deities (so why not add another one or two?), while monotheism by definition has only one slot at the top.

One of my best friends is a wiccan. CL probably wouldn';t consider him a true wiccan, but the other people here would.

To be honest, Wicca is one of the few religions I've seen that don't contain something that outright declares it unfit for my attention (the others being Buddhism and Shinto). None of them are appropriate for me, though. Maybe I'll get really bored sometime and hammer together a religion that satisfies me, but for now "create happiness while avoiding unhappiness" is good enough for me.

As for hostility to other religions, I'd say it's more of a monotheistic thing than an abrahamic thing. Polytheism already has multiple deities (so why not add another one or two?), while monotheism by definition has only one slot at the top.

Have you looked into Taoism?

Allakazam, allakazat,
Let MHiJ see where it's at!

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/ardchoille/littletoadpic.png

See what happens to baaad posters who try to frighten newcomers? Play nice, folks.

That's the funniest thing I've seen on the forums all day!


On a side note, I'm strangely fascinated by frogs all of a sudden..

I have, and al;though it's not autodisqualifying, some parts just feel... wrong.

I've known one 'real' Wiccan. Decent person. A bit odd, but mostly quiet about his religion. I played Pokemon with him back in Middle School, but he wasnt Wiccan at that point.

On the other hand, I've known about ten of what I like to think of as 'Teenage Girl Wiccans', IE: In your face, frog-eating, types who will happily lecture you about how 'MALE WICCANS ARENT WIZARDS' should you mention the word 'wizard' or 'sorcerer' within ninety miles of their presence. They also seemed to enjoy threatening people who annoyed them with spiritual wrath. I think I caught a cold because of one of them once.
On the plus side, they were a great source of IRL trolling. I convienced a female friend to leave slip a crucifix into one of their lockers after PE once. The two locker rooms were connected by the gym teachers offices (Dont ask. Really.), so the screaming was quite audible.

The ignorance of this forum is making my head explode! I've been Wiccan for years and I can assure you I'm quite normal and have never turned anyone into a frog... Wicca isn't a new religion, it's a modern version of a collection of ancient religions, and Wiccans aren't in cults and definitely don't think they're better than any other religion.

And the stupid shall inherit the earth, what are you going to do with? It a new religion, there nothing wrong with that, so deal with it!

Wiccan was cool in high school. the chicks were hot and into freaky things.
After high school Wiccan chicks seem to have gotten fat.
the rare times i found a skinny Wiccan chick she turned out to be jail bait.

since then I have moved onto Hippies they are often skinny form undernourishment and will trade a night of fun for a nicely cooked vegetarian dinner(I put some meat juice in because they need the protein).

Fucker stop meating the hippies. We have nuts and beans for protein, and meat juice to someone who's been a vegetarian for a while will make them sick.

The Wiccans I know don't say it's better than other religions, just better for them. Some are into magic, some are into quantum physics, some are into both. Mental flexibility seems a criterion.

Mh, is that physics as in actual science, or the "morphogenetic field" horse-waste that some people label as quantum physics?

I'm not a physicist, myself, but I care enough about science to be allergic to that kind of thing. ;)

I am wiccan and I was wondering if there was other wiccans on here and how many there were. I just thought it would be neat to know....... sooooooo yeah.......... just reply if ur a wiccan and tell me what u like the best about wicca. Please dont hate on wiccan anybody. ^_^

I used to be, I aint now.

Fucker stop meating the hippies. We have nuts and beans for protein, and meat juice to someone who's been a vegetarian for a while will make them sick.

Huh? Really?

What?!? Do you have something against frogs?
yeah, they don't look nice when they're squished by cars as i have occaisionally seen on roads.
Allakazam, allakazat,
Let MHiJ see where it's at!

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/ardchoille/littletoadpic.png

See what happens to baaad posters who try to frighten newcomers? Play nice, folks.
er...rebbit, rebbit. (can i please be turned into a person again? i find something unwholesome about seeing slugs as a beautiful meal)
ohhh snail...
I doubt MHiJ was frightened by mine, either. I was just feeling all maternal and protective.
Sure scared the hell outta me, i had no idea Mods looked into threads like this.
I just wanted to add a crazy tinge to the thread and scare off the serious people.
serious things scare me. like frogs, they're far too serious for their own good.
I had some frogs in my garden once, it was odd.

I am Wiccan too...the best thing about Wiccans is how tolerant they are of everyone else...they have no desire to impose their will or ideology on anyone not even other Wiccans.
oh yeah? you tell that to the crazy woman eating a frog, then again she could have been a guy. It's often hard to tell with folks who eat frogs.
(no offence meant to French folks here)
by the way i'm joking, i've never actually met a Wiccan, but if i did i'd question them on everything they do. then i'd hand her over to the Spanish inquisition, Nanatsu no Tsuki

Mh, is that physics as in actual science, or the "morphogenetic field" horse-waste that some people label as quantum physics?

I'm not a physicist, myself, but I care enough about science to be allergic to that kind of thing. ;)

Well, I've never heard any of them say "morphogenetic field". It's hard to find a rhyme for.:p

Well, I've never heard any of them say "morphogenetic field". It's hard to find a rhyme for.:p

*is still waiting to be turned back into a human*
rebbit, rebbit rebbit rebbit and rebbit until there's a rebbit rebbit i need to rebbit.

*is still waiting to be turned back into a human*
rebbit, rebbit rebbit rebbit and rebbit until there's a rebbit rebbit i need to rebbit.

C'mon, haven't you tried out the shiny new NS self-restoration feature yet?

C'mon, haven't you tried out the shiny new NS self-restoration feature yet?

I thought that rebbit rebbit rebbit only works if rebbit rebbit rebbit you're dead?
rebbit

C'mon, haven't you tried out the shiny new NS self-restoration feature yet?

She turned me into a newt!

A newt?

I got better... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpMjakNhZTc&feature=related)

She turned me into a newt!

A newt?

I got better... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpMjakNhZTc&feature=related)

lolz, i remember that. Monty Python was the better part of UK TV.
Ah see that's what happens when you apply logic to real life, you get rid of all those nasty witches, but i ask you, if you only catch the evil witches then there's still all those ducks waddling about, clearly a bad distraction for road users, therefore they should burn ducks too.

I am wiccan and I was wondering if there was other wiccans on here and how many there were. I just thought it would be neat to know....... sooooooo yeah.......... just reply if ur a wiccan and tell me what u like the best about wicca. Please dont hate on wiccan anybody. ^_^

I knew a wiccan. She was mad that I wouldn't date her. She put a spell on me and I still can't seem to get a girlfriend. :(

I'm a Wii-can, I defy anyone to beat me at table tennis, I rule in many ways.

You just annihilated my face into oblivion with your own awesome-osity.

:fluffle:

Hee hee, Wii-can! :D

[/childish mirth]

AFAIK they're rather harmless.

Yeah, I don't hate them or anything, but I've noticed a lot of Wiccans seem IMO to for some reason desperately hate Christians, like it's a part of their religion or something. Now this certainly doesn't hold true for all Wiccans (and I'm not even saying 'most'), my fiancee was a Wiccan, and we were good friends. She happens to be a Christian now, but that is quite beside the point of the thread. One of my best friends in college was a Wiccan (I think?) she joined a Facebook Wiccan club, and freshmen year she attended the "Pagan Alliance" 'club' thing at our university, she never went again because according to her it was almost all bashing Christianity for no reason other than something to hate I guess. Point of all that is that she was a great person, and I like her a lot, though I do not necessarily agree with her religious views... whatev.

Wiccans who don't hate Christians automatically get a point for coolness, merely because from my experience, Christian-hating almost seems to be a part of it.

Wiccan's are baad people. They eat frogs for starters, i saw it yesterday, some crazy woman came up from the riverside with half a frog sticking out of her mouth, she said "join us, join us and be freeee!yaayahahahahahaha".
I ran away.


the french will sue you

I knew a wiccan. She was mad that I wouldn't date her. She put a spell on me and I still can't seem to get a girlfriend. :(

Trust me, the spell wasn't necessary.

:p

Just kidding (because for all I know you could be some mega-hunk with three Ph.D's, lol).

As long as you admit your a new religion, then it all cool with me, nothing piss's me off more then a wiccan who claims it "the old way" or some such rubbish.

unless their celtish and follow the druids.
this was a established religion in western europe about 2000 years ago. the new ones are just copying them

All the confusion would be cleared up if people would just consult . . .

wait for it . . .

Wiccapedia :rolleyes:

Damn, you beat me to it. I don't know, it's been my experience that whenever some girl says 'I'm a Wiccan' what she means is 'I'm mad at my parents for making me go to church when I was younger. Hah, take that Mom and Dad!'

unless their celtish and follow the druids.
this was a established religion in western europe about 2000 years ago. the new ones are just copying them

Older than that.. The druidic/celtic ways are thought to predate Judaism

Yeah, I don't hate them or anything, but I've noticed a lot of Wiccans seem IMO to for some reason desperately hate Christians, like it's a part of their religion or something. Now this certainly doesn't hold true for all Wiccans (and I'm not even saying 'most'), my fiancee was a Wiccan, and we were good friends. She happens to be a Christian now, but that is quite beside the point of the thread. One of my best friends in college was a Wiccan (I think?) she joined a Facebook Wiccan club, and freshmen year she attended the "Pagan Alliance" 'club' thing at our university, she never went again because according to her it was almost all bashing Christianity for no reason other than something to hate I guess. Point of all that is that she was a great person, and I like her a lot, though I do not necessarily agree with her religious views... whatev.

Wiccans who don't hate Christians automatically get a point for coolness, merely because from my experience, Christian-hating almost seems to be a part of it.



Perhaps it is a reaction to hostility they recieve from Christians?


I dont know which came first, I suspect it is a chicken or the egg scenario, and now they just feed each other.


As an aside, Wiccan girls rule. They arent against premarital sex. In fact, one girl told me in Wicca its encouraged.

:D

Perhaps it is a reaction to hostility they recieve from Christians?

Oh, don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to claim that all 'Christians' are open-minded and reasonable (though they all are, of course!), and I won't defend a 'Christian' that would be a jerk based on someone elses religion alone, but it seems like there is concerted, and organized hatred of Christianity by Wiccans, and it seems like doing exactly what you hate others for doing isn't exactly an enlightened state. (Again, citing that not all Wiccans are like this, I've noticed a very small minority that actually seem to practice their own faith).

Huh? Really?

I imagine so... if I have red meat after a long time of fish and chicken, it tends to upset my digestion a lot.

It'd be like giving me a dish with a buttload of cheese or dairy without warning me. I could get very sick from that.

I imagine so... if I have red meat after a long time of fish and chicken, it tends to upset my digestion a lot.

It'd be like giving me a dish with a buttload of cheese or dairy without warning me. I could get very sick from that.

Lactose intolerant?

unless their celtish and follow the druids.
this was a established religion in western europe about 2000 years ago. the new ones are just copying them

Well first thing first, Wiccan and druidism are different things. While many wiccan
worship celtic symbolism it outside of a celtic framework so can not be thought of as a druidic faith, just as christens stole name's, ceremony's etc from older religion, so have wiccans done here. Therefore i stick with my statement that wiccan IS AN NEW RELIGION

Now I do have problem with people who claim to be modern Druids, largely due to the fact that origins of druidism lie in the misconceptions and speculation about the historical druids in proto-Romanticist 17th century Britain. A large number od the neo druid beliefs have no historical bases in old druidism. So again new (relatively) religion.

I imagine so... if I have red meat after a long time of fish and chicken, it tends to upset my digestion a lot.


Maybe it is a linguistic problem, but I don't really associate indigestion with being "sick."


Though I asked out of complete innocence. I know a few long term vegatarians, a few have slipped back, but I haven't known any of them to get after

Yeah I'm one. I like the general freedom and how it actually fits my beliefs and being wiccan isn't denying science yet it is very spiritual. only problem is super-religious idiots in both Christianity(or any monotheistic religion) and other pagans that make us look bad.

Well first thing first, Wiccan and druidism are different things. While many wiccan
worship celtic symbolism it outside of a celtic framework so can not be thought of as a druidic faith, just as christens stole name's, ceremony's etc from older religion, so have wiccans done here. Therefore i stick with my statement that wiccan IS AN NEW RELIGION

Now I do have problem with people who claim to be modern Druids, largely due to the fact that origins of druidism lie in the misconceptions and speculation about the historical druids in proto-Romanticist 17th century Britain. A large number od the neo druid beliefs have no historical bases in old druidism. So again new (relatively) religion.

Wicca new religion? ma bey its more modern form but wicca has been around before Christianity much like any real religion

My Mom is Wiccan...

Im mostly areligious though...:rolleyes:...Religions are Crazy...

My Mom is Wiccan...

Im mostly areligious though...:rolleyes:...Religions are Crazy...

So you're saying religions are crazy... and your mom is in one?

Perhaps it is a reaction to hostility they recieve from Christians?


I dont know which came first, I suspect it is a chicken or the egg scenario, and now they just feed each other.


As an aside, Wiccan girls rule. They arent against premarital sex. In fact, one girl told me in Wicca its encouraged.

:D

Maybe it is just the goth Wiccans but they all seem to get fat after age 18.

So you're saying religions are crazy... and your mom is in one?

Yeah, she can be a little crazy sometimes, lol...

Maybe i should rephrase it as, 'Organized Religions are Crazy' but, my mostly sarcastic point still stands...

I knew a wiccan. She was mad that I wouldn't date her. She put a spell on me and I still can't seem to get a girlfriend. :(

Uhm, okay. Where do I start?

Look, there are two ways by which she could pull this off. One is downright IMPOSSIBLE, which is altering the reactions of every one of your possible girlfriends, and the other would involve affecting YOU, something easily reversible through some focusing of will on rejecting the ritual.

Edit: That assumes she didn't simply SAY she'd make the ritual, thereby leaving you to sabotage yourself due to suggestion. Which I wouldn't put past a faux-wiccan like her. In which case the same focusing of will (concentrating by whatever means you feel most comfortable with in rejecting her will towards you) would work just as well.

So there.

I don't think I've ever met a 'Wiccan' who wasn't a poseur. I sometimes wonder if any real ones actually exist.

That's probably because they either grow out of it, stop when they realize it isn't all about ritual sacrifice of the family cat, or take it seriously and keep it to themselves.

I've found that quite a few people who call themselves Wiccans do not know the tenets of Wicca, instead using it as a catch-all term for various neopagan religions.

Exactly why I stopped calling myself Wiccan long ago. I studied it for years and took a lot from it, but I do not follow all the tenets and I have a strong aversion to labels anyway.

Mh, is that physics as in actual science, or the "morphogenetic field" horse-waste that some people label as quantum physics?

I'm not a physicist, myself, but I care enough about science to be allergic to that kind of thing. ;)

Heh, you mean the "What the Bleep Do We Know?" type of "physics"? That was huge in Santa Cruz when it came out... drove me shracking crazy.

Wicca new religion? ma bey its more modern form but wicca has been around before Christianity much like any real religion

No, it hasn't. Polytheistic earth-revering religions were around before Christianity, but by and large we have no idea what they were like. The "old ways" Wicca claims to be based on are almost entirely the fabrication of a single man in the 20th century.

Yeah, she can be a little crazy sometimes, lol...

Maybe i should rephrase it as, 'Organized Religions are Crazy' but, my mostly sarcastic point still stands...

Lol! Cool.

Uhm, okay. Where do I start?

Look, there are two ways by which she could pull this off. One is downright IMPOSSIBLE, which is altering the reactions of every one of your possible girlfriends, and the other would involve affecting YOU, something easily reversible through some focusing of will on rejecting the ritual.

Edit: That assumes she didn't simply SAY she'd make the ritual, thereby leaving you to sabotage yourself due to suggestion. Which I wouldn't put past a faux-wiccan like her.

I have only in my life tried two major spells that affected other people. One was to get a guy to go out with me (oh, shut up, I was 16) which worked, but for a limited amount of time. I have a great internal debate between my belief in science and reality and my... let's not say belief in, but curiosity about directing will. I don't think we can change reality with our minds, but I do believe that there may be a way to interact with the... the vital energy of emotion and thought that radiate from us. The way you can walk into a room and feel the tension or anger without even looking at anyone... it's hard to explain, but it's not at all mystical (if it actually exists).

I have only in my life tried two major spells that affected other people. One was to get a guy to go out with me (oh, shut up, I was 16) which worked, but for a limited amount of time. I have a great internal debate between my belief in science and reality and my... let's not say belief in, but curiosity about directing will. I don't think we can change reality with our minds, but I do believe that there may be a way to interact with the... the vital energy of emotion and thought that radiate from us. The way you can walk into a room and feel the tension or anger without even looking at anyone... it's hard to explain, but it's not at all mystical (if it actually exists).

*Starts saying something, but refrains from doing so because you were 16 (and, hopefully, learned your lesson)*

;)

Anyways. I'm not a wiccan per se. Just skilled in occultism. It is, for me, a science just like any other. Wicca is a method. Other pagan groups are another. And so on.

Hi, guys, I'm a relatively new NationStates player, 1st time poster here.
I'm a solitary male Wiccan, mid-thirties.
I've practiced with Lycian, Sibylline, and Shamanic traditions, and I've celebrated with a sort of non-denominational pagan group at a local Unitarian church.

As a teen, I never could quite believe in the Christian concept of God, but I couldn't deny my instinctive belief there was something bigger than human life. I also felt the universe itself was extraordinary and deserving of our appreciation. Then I found out there was a religion that coincides with my beliefs. It felt like coming home.

As to the cult thing, I've always considered a cult to be an organized group focused on a specific thing. Wicca is very unorganized and non-focused. Just remember:
Eight words the Wiccan rede fulfill,
an' it harm none, do what ye will.-saspic

Hi, guys, I'm a relatively new NationStates player, 1st time poster here.
I'm a solitary male Wiccan, mid-thirties.
I've practiced with Lycian, Sibylline, and Shamanic traditions, and I've celebrated with a sort of non-denominational pagan group at a local Unitarian church.

As a teen, I never could quite believe in the Christian concept of God, but I couldn't deny my instinctive belief there was something bigger than human life. I also felt the universe itself was extraordinary and deserving of our appreciation. Then I found out there was a religion that coincides with my beliefs. It felt like coming home.

As to the cult thing, I've always considered a cult to be an organized group focused on a specific thing. Wicca is very unorganized and non-focused. Just remember:
-saspic

1) Are you happy?
2) Can you do magic?

2) Can you do magic?

You cant?

You cant?

Don't get me started.

1) Are you happy?
2) Can you do magic?

Not answering for him, here, but... Ah well, I will.

1- It's hard for someone to tell if they are happy.

2- Define "magic" here before we go any further.

Not answering for him, here, but... Ah well, I will.

1- It's hard for someone to tell if they are happy.

2- Define "magic" here before we go any further.

1) It's true, I should've said, happier than before he became a Wiccan and happier than he would be in other religions.

2) That's what I was curious about, I know some Wiccan claim to practice magic, I'm curious about his definition of it and his actual practices.

Edit: Going to bed, hoping for a response.

2- Define "magic" here before we go any further.

Can you saw someone in half and then put them back together again without them being dead? (And I mean actually saw them in half, not that two people in the special box BS)

1) It's true, I should've said, happier than before he became a Wiccan and happier than he would be in other religions.

2) That's what I was curious about, I know some Wiccan claim to practice magic, I'm curious about his definition of it and his actual practices.

Edit: Going to bed, hoping for a response.

Personally, I feel that whatever form of magic I practice is essentially the same as Christian prayer or Buddhist meditation.

Not answering for him, here, but... Ah well, I will.

1- It's hard for someone to tell if they are happy.

2- Define "magic" here before we go any further.

a friend of mine gave me and erection for 12 hours via a spell. Though she was using Lavey satanic magic. i tried everything to get the dam thing to go away polishing the pole engaging my girlfriend in fun finally when my bladder was about to explode I apologized for what i said and it went away in 10 minutes.

a friend of mine gave me and erection for 12 hours via a spell. Though she was using Lavey satanic magic. i tried everything to get the dam thing to go away polishing the pole engaging my girlfriend in fun finally when my bladder was about to explode I apologized for what i said and it went away in 10 minutes.
This post is a pile of lol... Delectable. I really love NS now.

Sex is quite magickal, eh? :cool:

1) It's true, I should've said, happier than before he became a Wiccan and happier than he would be in other religions.

2) That's what I was curious about, I know some Wiccan claim to practice magic, I'm curious about his definition of it and his actual practices.

Edit: Going to bed, hoping for a response.
1. Yes, I'm much happier. I mean, I consider that I was essentially always Wiccan, only now I can put a name to it.
2. Everyone can do magick. I define it as "energy work." Mostly I have just done healing spells (at someone's request) and meditation.
I, too, would classify Christian prayer as a form of magick. Pagan magick is just more direct. E.g., instead of asking a deity to improve someone's health, I directly send them healing energy.

1. Yes, I'm much happier. I mean, I consider that I was essentially always Wiccan, only know I can put I name to it.
2. Everyone can do magick. I define it as "energy work." Mostly I have just done healing spells (at someone's request) and meditation.
I, too, would classify Christian prayer as a form of magick. Pagan magick is just more direct. E.g., instead of asking a deity to improve someone's health, I directly send them healing energy.
Do you think love is a form of magick?

I am wiccan and I was wondering if there was other wiccans on here and how many there were. I just thought it would be neat to know....... sooooooo yeah.......... just reply if ur a wiccan and tell me what u like the best about wicca. Please dont hate on wiccan anybody. ^_^

I like Wiccans, but you should go for broke and be a Celtic Reconstructionist instead. Just my personal opinion.

Of course, that's partly because Wicca is too pacifist for me. I prefer something in which a figure like The Morrigan has importance.

1. Yes, I'm much happier. I mean, I consider that I was essentially always Wiccan, only know I can put a name to it.
2. Everyone can do magick. I define it as "energy work." Mostly I have just done healing spells (at someone's request) and meditation.
I, too, would classify Christian prayer as a form of magick. Pagan magick is just more direct. E.g., instead of asking a deity to improve someone's health, I directly send them healing energy.

Can you define energy?

My standard definition doesn't appear to work in this context :confused:

This post is a pile of lol... Delectable. I really love NS now.

Sex is quite magickal, eh? :cool:

the first few hours was cool after that it hurt. I almost went to the hospital, but i was worried they might permanently disable my ability to come to full salute like i read about the guy who took too much Viagra.

I am waiting for the typical anti-religious group to jump in and comment about Wicca. Seems they are absent.

That's because Wiccan isn't a Christian Religion so they won't bash it.

Oh look here they are

What is exactly is the difference between a minor religion claiming to better than all other religions and the claims of Islam and Christianity to be supposedly better than all religions??

All religions make the claim that their is only path. This characteristic is not just limited to so called cults.

Actually not all religions. It's mostly (though not entirely) an abrahamic thing.

That's because Wiccan isn't a Christian Religion so they won't bash it.

Or because it is hard for many to take Wicca seriously enough to bash it...


(Incidentaly, I wonder if New Granada still has that cup on his desk)

Wicca new religion? ma bey its more modern form but wicca has been around before Christianity much like any real religion

No it has'nt. Unless you say christanity is as old as the cermonay it has stolen off other religions, As that all wiccan has done. It a new religion

Can you define energy?

My standard definition doesn't appear to work in this context :confused:
That is an excellent question. My definition is that it is the most elemental building block of the universe. It is matter, action, potential, time, or anything it wants to be. As I understand it, magick is the belief that humans can harness and direct energy through willpower alone. Of course it is very popular to use tools like chants, candles, oils, herbs, charms, etc., but they are not necessary.

Of course as a Wiccan, I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.
Hey, didn't Einstein say that matter is energy? Does that mean that the universe is made of energy?

Re: the origins of Wicca. I read it has its roots in the late 19th century, but wasn't popularized 'til the mid twentieth century. It is a modern rediscovery of old ways. I simplify things by saying New Age is a conscious attempt to speed up evolution in human spirituality (skipping ahead) while Neo-Paganism is an attempt to reclaim old wisdom before it disappears (going back).
-saspic

Sigh. I can't believe I'm doing this.

*monotone voice* I'm Wiccan, Wiccans don't hate Christians, we're not a cult, the religion's no more than 70 or so years old (Drawing Down the Moon was written earlier than Gardner started doing his thing, but then it's probably more Pagan in general than Wiccan), whiny teenagers make my Acid Reflux flare, and if you go around screaming 'IMMA HEX YOU' you're a douchebag. Now I must be off.

*bows out*

That is an excellent question. My definition is that it is the most elemental building block of the universe. It is matter, action, potential, time, or anything it wants to be.

So it is Phlebotinum basically?

Everything and nothing?

Incredibly vague and totally useless. I'm not being mean. It just seems to be a useless answer.

Of course as a Wiccan, I reserve the right to change my mind at any time.

Always sensible ;)

Hey, didn't Einstein say that matter is energy? Does that mean that the universe is made of energy?

Not in the way I think you are thinking.

Always sensible ;)

Discordians have a much better idea. Not only do they reserve the right to change their mind, they reserve the right to change your mind, quite possibly against your will.

Sigh. I can't believe I'm doing this.

*monotone voice* I'm Wiccan, Wiccans don't hate Christians, we're not a cult, the religion's no more than 70 or so years old (Drawing Down the Moon was written earlier than Gardner started doing his thing, but then it's probably more Pagan in general than Wiccan), whiny teenagers make my Acid Reflux flare, and if you go around screaming 'IMMA HEX YOU' you're a douchebag. Now I must be off.

*bows out*

And she wins the thread. :D

I love Wiccan ethics, so there you go: "An it harm none, do what you will."

Sigh. I can't believe I'm doing this.

*monotone voice* I'm Wiccan, Wiccans don't hate Christians, we're not a cult, the religion's no more than 70 or so years old (Drawing Down the Moon was written earlier than Gardner started doing his thing, but then it's probably more Pagan in general than Wiccan), whiny teenagers make my Acid Reflux flare, and if you go around screaming 'IMMA HEX YOU' you're a douchebag. Now I must be off.

*bows out*
Thank you, A intelligent wiccan, Thank gods there one on this board

Wiccans are pigs...that arrest people for no reason.

Being drunk and running over pedestrians isn't a crime people! This is a free world!

Seriously, have you read this thread?

Interesting question, have you? ;)


Who said it was a cult? Who said Wiccans think they're better than anyone else?

You guys are OK, I guess, but much like all of these things which are essentially cults, your insistence that you're better than the established religions is a bit tiresome.

Sigh. I can't believe I'm doing this.

*monotone voice* I'm Wiccan, Wiccans don't hate Christians, we're not a cult, the religion's no more than 70 or so years old (Drawing Down the Moon was written earlier than Gardner started doing his thing, but then it's probably more Pagan in general than Wiccan), whiny teenagers make my Acid Reflux flare, and if you go around screaming 'IMMA HEX YOU' you're a douchebag. Now I must be off.

*bows out*

Well said, and nice screen name.

No, it hasn't. Polytheistic earth-revering religions were around before Christianity, but by and large we have no idea what they were like. The "old ways" Wicca claims to be based on are almost entirely the fabrication of a single man in the 20th century.

I was speaking more or less widely such the ideas of wicca, the basic structure, and the overall purpose and how that purpose is obtained. I admit wicca is more or less a collection of ideas from old pagan and possibly druid religion along with new ideas.

I was speaking more or less widely such the ideas of wicca, the basic structure, and the overall purpose and how that purpose is obtained. I admit wicca is more or less a collection of ideas from old pagan and possibly druid religion along with new ideas.

I daresay that those old pagans and druids, if you would dare tell them that wicca is like their own religion, would sever your head from your body.

Just accept that Wicca is quite new. When viewed like that it is even a quite nice religion. A bit silly and misguided in places, but overall it could be much worse. Like certain other religions.

I'd have to call myself quasi -Wiccan.

Mh, is that physics as in actual science, or the "morphogenetic field" horse-waste that some people label as quantum physics?

I'm not a physicist, myself, but I care enough about science to be allergic to that kind of thing. ;)

When I studied physics we had to learn some quantum physics, very little... not much at all. It got its connections, but takes great leaps which makes you doubt it and I think its something you just gotta "believe in" in order to work with. Its purely theory.

Thanks for raising that again. I "mis-spoke", Ermarian: I hunted up some notes one of the wiccan quantum-physics-talkers had given me, and she was talking about the morphogenetic field idea, she just didn't call it that.

Not that it would have made much difference if she had. Science is not my field. Explaining magic as physics is just as clear to me as explaining physics as magic; ie, not.

Staggering back to the topic again, why does it matter whether wicca is a new religion or not? If it lasts 1000 years, it'll be an old religion. Every religion begins somewhere. So some guy had a revelation/made it up/wrote it down? So what else is new?

Why, wicca's even got doctrinal splits already -- "Aargh! Eclectic solitaries are watering it down!" vs "Aargh! Gardnerian bureaucrats are stifling it!"

Seems to me it's the theological pendulum falling back after centuries on the side of the arc where monotheist religions dominated.

I rather liked this question from the British Parliament

Prison: Paganism
Mr. Andrew Turner: To ask the Secretary of State for Justice with reference to Prison Service Instruction 2005/33, on the practice of paganism in prison, how many wands are available in prisons in (a) England, (b) Wales and (c) Northern Ireland. [203230]

Maria Eagle: This information is not available and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

Prison Service policy is to enable prisoners of different faith traditions, including Paganism, to practise their religion. Guidance on the practice of religion in prisons
1 May 2008 : Column 644W
is set out in Prison Service Order (PSO) 4550 (Religion), a copy of which is in the Library of the House.

The PSO contains details of religious artefacts which are allowed in possession for relevant faiths so that prisoners can practise their religion within the constraints of good order and discipline. The information on Paganism was developed in consultation with the Pagan Federation and enables prisons to facilitate its practice properly and responsibly. The religious artefacts for Pagan prisoners include a flexible twig for a wand.

Information on prisons in Northern Ireland is the responsibility of the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

I rather liked this question from the British Parliament

At least they're trying. Bush has claimed Atheists shouldn't be considered Americans, claimed Wiccans shouldn't have a choice of graves, and so on.

At least they're trying. Bush has claimed Atheists shouldn't be considered Americans, claimed Wiccans shouldn't have a choice of graves, and so on.

Jr. or Sr?

Jr. or Sr?

Jr.

Jr.

I get the latter. But I thought Sr. said the former.

I get the latter. But I thought Sr. said the former.

In the Athiest Bible both are attributed to Jr.

In the Athiest Bible both are attributed to Jr.

Forgive my skepticism. But is there a better source?

The (disputed) quotation from Sr is

"No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God."

I haven't heard GWB say anything similar

Forgive my skepticism. But is there a better source?

Ill look around online. Ive only seen them in ths book. 1 sec.

I take it back. Sr. was the one who made the athiest comment.

I take it back. Sr. was the one who made the athiest comment.

No worries.

Perhaps we are both barking up the wrong tree. Hopefully Heikoku will come back online soon and straighten things up :)

No worries.

Perhaps we are both barking up the wrong tree. Hopefully Heikoku will come back online soon and straighten things up :)

Oh, I am here. Well, I said Bush. :p

Anyways, does show a pattern, no?

Oh, I am here. Well, I said Bush. :p

Anyways, does show a pattern, no?

Plutocrats say the craziest things?

*Starts saying something, but refrains from doing so because you were 16 (and, hopefully, learned your lesson)*

;)

Anyways. I'm not a wiccan per se. Just skilled in occultism. It is, for me, a science just like any other. Wicca is a method. Other pagan groups are another. And so on.

http://xkcd.com/54/

I hope you learned your lesson :gundge:

On another note, is that the BioRifle from UT?

Plutocrats say the craziest things?

And The Bushes are the craziest people.

At least they're trying. Bush has claimed Atheists shouldn't be considered Americans, claimed Wiccans shouldn't have a choice of graves, and so on.


Urban myths.

The second refers to graveSTONES. Until recently, the Pentagon would not provide Wiccan grave markers. They claimed that there were too few, so the costs would be too high. Numbskulls. Gravestones are not mass produced, they are ALL cut as individual units, and the mills can produce different shapes and cuts very easily, just ask them.

Urban myths.

The second refers to graveSTONES. Until recently, the Pentagon would not provide Wiccan grave markers. They claimed that there were too few, so the costs would be too high. Numbskulls. Gravestones are not mass produced, they are ALL cut as individual units, and the mills can produce different shapes and cuts very easily, just ask them.

Good excuse though, but i think it be more cost effective to stop all Juggalos having bullet proof vest