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Okay, so I think the massage parlor I just went to is full of hookers.

Here is my evidence:
It was a terrible massage.
She took away my towel and left my on the table naked.
She kept commenting on my body.
She used that comment to bring up that I look like a cop.
The above happened several times even after I told her I wasn't.
She climbed on the table several times while she was massaging me, partly straddling me.
She said I have a beatiful penis (not in those words).
She offered to suck my cock for $120.

So what would you do? The big thing is that I paid for the massage with a credit card. If they ever get raided they will have my information.

This is in the US, correct? I would've figured it would be obvious just from the start that the "massage parlor" wasn't exactly a legitimate operation. That being said, calling the police might not be the best option. I'd recommend just paying off your credit card balance and just letting it go. I imagine they're not the sort of operation that keeps particularly open or detailed books or pays its fair share in taxes.

she offered you a BJ for money, and you're still not sure if she is a hooker?

It wasn't obvious. It said they did physical therapy and mentioned a lot of types of issues they work on. I usually go to the kinds of places that look like that for that reason, but they tricked me.

The only "massage parlors" near me are located directly across the street from a strip club - I always took that to mean that they're not legit businesses. :p

Anyway, the police already know what they're up to. If they were going to raid them, they'd probably have done it already. Also, I'd guess that the police, even if they did raid a place like that, would have bigger fish to fry - customers at places like those aren't exactly dangerous criminals.

Indeed, ofcourse she's a hooker, but who cares? I wouldn't call the cops (because I really don't care what someone does with his own body, it's none of my damn business), but it still sucks (o ha ha ha) it was a shitty massage.

It wasn't obvious. It said they did physical therapy and mentioned a lot of types of issues they work on. I usually go to the kinds of places that look like that for that reason, but they tricked me.

It might be a good idea to call the police, then. It sounds like they are the kind of place that also gets involved in blackmailing and various other scams; quite frankly, it sounds like a legitimate front that can lure people in and then basically extort what they want once they've been suckered in to partaking in the services.

Paying with a credit card was probably an exceptionally unwise idea.

The only "massage parlors" near me are located directly across the street from a strip club - I always took that to mean that they're not legit businesses. :p

Anyway, the police already know what they're up to. If they were going to raid them, they'd probably have done it already. Also, I'd guess that the police, even if they did raid a place like that, would have bigger fish to fry - customers at places like those aren't exactly dangerous criminals.

Yeah, good point. It sucks because credit records are kept by credit card companies, not the place. So if some day, I was, say, running for office, it would show up. Bastards.

Next time I should just tell people I'm a cop when I show up and hope they punch me in the mouth and toss me out.

Call the police.

Call the police.

Why? Who cares what those women do with their bodies?

It might be a good idea to call the police, then. It sounds like they are the kind of place that also gets involved in blackmailing and various other scams; quite frankly, it sounds like a legitimate front that can lure people in and then basically extort what they want once they've been suckered in to partaking in the services.

Paying with a credit card was probably an exceptionally unwise idea.

Yes, it was, but how the hell should I know she was a hooker. In retrospect, it's sort of obvious, but it's not like I was there to catch them. I just wanted a massage.

What annoys me is I'm totally willing to go somewhere else and pay for a good massage, but everyplace looks as fishy as that place did.

Why? Who cares what those women do with their bodies?

It just seems like they've got aims that are a little less on the up-and-up than just run of the mill prostitution, which in and of itself is just fine, at least in my opinion. It really sounds like one of those places that likes to scam people out of more money than what they paid for services and not just a place that offers what it offers.

Find out what the blowjobs are like before you condemn them completely.

Yes, it was, but how the hell should I know she was a hooker. In retrospect, it's sort of obvious, but it's not like I was there to catch them. I just wanted a massage.

That's the entire point...it's a lot easier to get people that might not otherwise partake in their services if you don't suggest it from the onset.

What annoys me is I'm totally willing to go somewhere else and pay for a good massage, but everyplace looks as fishy as that place did.

There are no health clubs nearby? All the places I've been to offer massage and physical therapy services, albeit for a pretty high price.

It wasn't obvious. It said they did physical therapy and mentioned a lot of types of issues they work on. I usually go to the kinds of places that look like that for that reason, but they tricked me.Legit places don't offer BJ's or any other forms of 'happy endings'.

One thing I could recommend is not being naked under the towel. wear shorts or underpants. If they insist on removing them, then I would be wary.

Frequent asking if you're a cop is also another giveaway that they may not be what they seem.

if you do have a therapist that you go to, often times they could recommend legit places (mine did.)

Some legit places do except Credit Cards, but then some scammers could use that to get your account number.

and one thing my therapist did tell me is becareful of places that use the word "Relaxation" in their ads. they try to look like Massage places, but they are actually cat houses.

Oh and one thing I did notice. Legit Massage places keep normal working hours. usually closing no later than 10:00 p.m. here in Hawaii. if you drive around midnight or later and they're still open... stay away.

Come to beautiful Nye County Nevada, just an hour or two north of scenic Vegas, where you can get your pipes cleaned legally! And a better massage!

Find out what the blowjobs are like before you condemn them completely.

Thanks, I knew I could count on you.

Thanks, I knew I could count on you.

Jocabia, you're vicious, righteous condemnation of his pragamatic suggestion reveals you for the astounding fucking hypocrite that you are.

Remember when you and I were in Adelita's bar in Tijuana and you made that dulcid brown eyed whore suck the plating off that ten dollar watch you bought in the alley before you would book a party with her?

Asshole.

Legit places don't offer BJ's or any other forms of 'happy endings'.

Ya think?


One thing I could recommend is not being naked under the towel. wear shorts or underpants. If they insist on removing them, then I would be wary.

Massage is better when you're not wearing underwear. Unrestricted blood flow can make a big difference, particularly if your massage has elements of Swedish in it.


Frequent asking if you're a cop is also another giveaway that they may not be what they seem.

Ya think?


if you do have a therapist that you go to, often times they could recommend legit places (mine did.)

I travel. That's the problem.


Some legit places do except Credit Cards, but then some scammers could use that to get your account number.

and one thing my therapist did tell me is becareful of places that use the word "Relaxation" in their ads. they try to look like Massage places, but they are actually cat houses.

Oh and one thing I did notice. Legit Massage places keep normal working hours. usually closing no later than 10:00 p.m. here in Hawaii. if you drive around midnight or later and they're still open... stay away.

Yeah, that would be a good indicator, but it's 4PM here (or it was).

Thanks, I knew I could count on you.

:fluffle:

Jocabia, you're vicious, righteous condemnation of his pragamatic suggestion reveals you for the astounding fucking hypocrite that you are.

Remember when you and I were in Adelita's bar in Tijuana and you made that dulcid brown eyed whore suck the plating off that ten dollar watch you bought in the alley before you would book a party with her?

Asshole.

Yeah, but she was under 18 so she doesn't have any rights. This was exploitation.

Jocabia, you're vicious, righteous condemnation of his pragamatic suggestion reveals you for the astounding fucking hypocrite that you are.

Remember when you and I were in Adelita's bar in Tijuana and you made that dulcid brown eyed whore suck the plating off that ten dollar watch you bought in the alley before you would book a party with her?

Asshole.

yes, but at that time she was selling exactly what she was advertising.

here Jocabia wanted a massage and got sex instead. Talk about rip-off!

Massage is better when you're not wearing underwear. Unrestricted blood flow can make a big difference, particularly if your massage has elements of Swedish in it.


You ripped that off from Lunatic Goofball's wedding vows.

yes, but at that time she was selling exactly what she was advertising.

here Jocabia wanted a massage and got sex instead. Talk about rip-off!

No, I didn't get either one. My back is still killing me.

Yeah, but she was under 18 so she doesn't have any rights. This was exploitation.

You and Neo Art, with your legal evasion...avoidance...avoison!

You ripped that off from Lunatic Goofball's wedding vows.

Mud flow. Mud flow.

Why? Who cares what those women do with their bodies?
I have no personal problem with it. I'd worry more about getting arrested.

No, I didn't get either one. My back is still killing me.

I guess they weren't offering the kind of "physical therapy" you had in mind. They certainly wanted to increase blood flow, however.

yes, but at that time she was selling exactly what she was advertising.

here Jocabia wanted a massage and got sex instead. Talk about rip-off!

I would love to be the Better Business Bureau ombudsman who answers that call...

"So, you went in for a back rub and she boned you...we have a form for that."

Okay, so I think the massage parlor I just went to is full of hookers.

Here is my evidence:
It was a terrible massage.
She took away my towel and left my on the table naked.
She kept commenting on my body.
She used that comment to bring up that I look like a cop.
The above happened several times even after I told her I wasn't.
She climbed on the table several times while she was massaging me, partly straddling me.
She said I have a beatiful penis (not in those words).
She offered to suck my cock for $120.

So what would you do? The big thing is that I paid for the massage with a credit card. If they ever get raided they will have my information.
I'd go with what Vetalia said: let the police know. It's not a good place, that.

Also, on a side note, I found this absolutely hilarious. This is why you should find a good place and stick with them, massage wise.

EDIT: Except, of course, you can't do that since you travel a lot. Sorry...that momentarily slipped my mind.

I would love to be the Better Business Bureau ombudsman who answers that call...

"So, you went in for a back rub and she boned you...we have a form for that."

I'd be more amused if they were in fact members of the BBB.

Massage is better when you're not wearing underwear. Unrestricted blood flow can make a big difference, particularly if your massage has elements of Swedish in it. didn't know that. I usually wear loose fitting shorts under the towel. and none of my massagers commented on it. except to as if it was my first time here (and that was usually my first time with that massager.)


Yeah, that would be a good indicator, but it's 4PM here (or it was). ;) well, I was indicating to check em out after hours or even call them and ask them for their hours. sometime some research is needed on a place before diving right in.

Yeah, good point. It sucks because credit records are kept by credit card companies, not the place. So if some day, I was, say, running for office, it would show up. Bastards.

The credit card companies are probably bound by confidentiality at several levels. Eliot Spitzer, for example, never would've been caught if the feds weren't investigating his particular pimp, as I recall. Unless you claim fraud on the charge, the credit companies don't investigate.

Next time I should just tell people I'm a cop when I show up and hope they punch me in the mouth and toss me out.

...or they'd think you were asking for a freebie. :p

I'd go with what Vetalia said: let the police know. It's not a good place, that.

Also, on a side note, I found this absolutely hilarious. This is why you should find a good place and stick with them, massage wise.

What was funny to me, at the time, was that I have a marine tattoo on my shoulder and she goes, "you have a nice build. Are you a cop?" In my head, I'm like, you're rubbing a Marine Corps tattoo, wouldn't THAT be your first guess?

I have no personal problem with it. I'd worry more about getting arrested.

That's why when I enter a brothel, I politely inquire as to whether they are paid up with the locals.

Unless I'm in Nye County!

Trade gas money for safety!

What was funny to me, at the time, was that I have a marine tattoo on my shoulder and she goes, "you have a nice build. Are you a cop?" In my head, I'm like, you're rubbing a Marine Corps tattoo, wouldn't THAT be your first guess?

It would certainly be mine.

I wish I had spending money...I want another massage myself.

I'd be more amused if they were in fact members of the BBB.

Why not? as a "relaxation center" as they're called here, I can only imagine the complaints.

What was funny to me, at the time, was that I have a marine tattoo on my shoulder and she goes, "you have a nice build. Are you a cop?" In my head, I'm like, you're rubbing a Marine Corps tattoo, wouldn't THAT be your first guess?

you know how many former military end up on the police force?

Me neither. :p

Why not? as a "relaxation center" as they're called here, I can only imagine the complaints.

I'd personally prefer that they be a part of the BBB...honestly, legalizing prostitution is the easiest way to contain all of the problems associated with it.

That way, there's no worries about them existing solely to extort money from customers and it's a lot less likely you'll have unpleasant things like human trafficking going on.

I would love to be the Better Business Bureau ombudsman who answers that call...

"So, you went in for a back rub and she boned you...we have a form for that."

you sure that won't be a "ok sir, I understand. I need complete details as to what happened and what was done to you... oh and this will be recorded for my records... of your complaint.

I'd personally prefer that they be a part of the BBB...honestly, legalizing prostitution is the easiest way to contain all of the problems associated with it.

That way, there's no worries about them existing solely to extort money from customers and it's a lot less likely you'll have unpleasant things like human trafficking going on.

part of my argument too. by registering them (and licening the workers) you can easily find those being trafficked and can include a reward system for those reporting in unlicenced... er... seamstresses (to borrow a phrase from Terry Pratchett).

Oh sure, you'll call the police and then the next time I go there, there'll be a raid.

Okay, so I think the massage parlor I just went to is full of hookers.

Here is my evidence:
It was a terrible massage.
She took away my towel and left my on the table naked.
She kept commenting on my body.
She used that comment to bring up that I look like a cop.
The above happened several times even after I told her I wasn't.
She climbed on the table several times while she was massaging me, partly straddling me.
She said I have a beatiful penis (not in those words).
She offered to suck my cock for $120.

So what would you do? The big thing is that I paid for the massage with a credit card. If they ever get raided they will have my information.

I'd suggest not going back unless you want to hire a prostitute. I see no reason to actually aid in the enforcement of laws that shouldn't exist in the first place.

i would never rat. except maybe for violent crimes that i thought weren't deserved.

i would never rat. except maybe for violent crimes that i thought weren't deserved.

I'd only do it if there were reason to believe that they're using it for extortion (which is pretty likely) rather than just prostitution.

why do you think you should call the cops?

Call the police.

Do you have any rubber walrus protectors, though?


...Ren and Stimpy reference.

Okay, so I think the massage parlor I just went to is full of hookers.

Here is my evidence:
It was a terrible massage.
She took away my towel and left my on the table naked.
She kept commenting on my body.
She used that comment to bring up that I look like a cop.
The above happened several times even after I told her I wasn't.
She climbed on the table several times while she was massaging me, partly straddling me.
She said I have a beatiful penis (not in those words).
She offered to suck my cock for $120.

So what would you do? The big thing is that I paid for the massage with a credit card. If they ever get raided they will have my information.

Nah, just let 'em be.

yes, but at that time she was selling exactly what she was advertising.

here Jocabia wanted a massage and got sex instead. Talk about rip-off!

Not necessarily a rip-off. He coulda bargained! :)

why do you think you should call the cops?

I said why. Because of the credit card history. I could care less what people do with their money or for a living, I just don't like that I'm now on the 'customer" list of a whorehouse.

I said why. Because of the credit card history. I could care less what people do with their money or for a living, I just don't like that I'm now on the 'customer" list of a whorehouse.

i wouldn't draw attention to yourself if i were you.

I said why. Because of the credit card history. I could care less what people do with their money or for a living, I just don't like that I'm now on the 'customer" list of a whorehouse.

If you call the cops you'll still be on the customer list of a whorehouse, so nothing will have changed.

Do nothing.

Offering sex for money should not be a crime, so you would be facilitating the enforcement of unjust laws (you are a collaborator of tyranny!!1!one!).
Besides, I would be absolutely shocked, I mean totally blown away, if the cops did not already know about it. Police usually do not enforce prostitution statutes unless some puritanical moralist politician is pushing them on it (or they are not a cop friendly establishment).

Don't you think there are better things to spend law enforcement resources on? I would certainly prefer they pursue violent criminals and try to actually protect people from real harm - loss of life and property is far more important than making sure people don't get any sexual gratification.

You should actually keep this pretty quiet - I doubt anyone would really believe your story that you are just so unaware and lacking in basic streetsmarts as to not have known it was a brothel. A cop is just going to look at you and see a guy who probably is upset looking to cause trouble because the woman refused to do whatever sick acts you wanted. You twisted sicko... you are so appalling that even a prostitute is sickened by it.

Actually, I think the more pertinent question is why the hell did you pay for it with a credit card? Even for a legitimate massage you should have walked in with enough cash to give a decent tip, which you probably could have given her with a shocked explanation that you didnt realize it was that kind of place. She would probably patted you on the head and sent you on your way no prob, with only your pride in tatters.

Edit: come to think of it, you probably could have said you were a cop and gotten whatever you wanted for free.

I paid with a credit card, because I didn't know they were hookers. Forgive me if I don't automatically assume everyone masseuse is a hooker. I only got a massage and you're asked to pay in advance.

Okay, so I think the massage parlor I just went to is full of hookers.

Here is my evidence:
It was a terrible massage.
She took away my towel and left my on the table naked.
She kept commenting on my body.
She used that comment to bring up that I look like a cop.
The above happened several times even after I told her I wasn't.
She climbed on the table several times while she was massaging me, partly straddling me.
She said I have a beatiful penis (not in those words).
She offered to suck my cock for $120.

So what would you do? The big thing is that I paid for the massage with a credit card. If they ever get raided they will have my information.

Whoa, that's tricky.

Lose the credit card won't work. They'll trace back the bill to try to find who used your card. Small chance you'd get lucky, I guess, the girl and everyone who saw you might be off at the time and they just drop it.

See any surveillance cameras there? Not that you'd necessarily see them.

Hmm, she asked you several times? Hidden cameras a real possibility.

Prostitution should be legal, but that doesn't help ya.

Still, the presumption of innocence should apply. If you could visit a brothel thinking it was a proper massage parlour, anybody could. Doesn't prove you had the "special service" so it's just guilt by association I guess.

No charges, no criminal record but still on your file.

Ever planning on going into politics ?

I paid with a credit card, because I didn't know they were hookers. Forgive me if I don't automatically assume everyone masseuse is a hooker. I only got a massage and you're asked to pay in advance.

I avoid hookers by getting massages at the massage college. It's cheaper too.

I never know which ones are hookers and which ones are legit around here, so I stick to the state funded college. I have a low probability of icky there.

I would call the cops, but I'm a bitch.

Still, the presumption of innocence should apply. If you could visit a brothel thinking it was a proper massage parlour, anybody could. Doesn't prove you had the "special service" so it's just guilt by association I guess.

No charges, no criminal record but still on your file.

Ever planning on going into politics ?

Possibly. Eh, whatever. If I ever went into politics I certainly wouldn't hide the fact that I don't have an issue with prostitution.

I would say that you shouldn't be in too much trouble unless you go back there again. It would take a very aggressive DA to go after every customer of a legitimate business after it was found that they weren't.

I retract the suggestion about "losing" your credit card. That's fraud.

Committing an actual crime to avoid a chance of being prosecuted for something you didn't do would be pretty silly. I spoke too soon.

Jocabia, what the hell were you thinking, to not leave when she asked if you were a cop? The second or third time I'd have been talking to the manager, undo the credit card transaction (still on record). "I don't want to have to go to the cops, I just want my money back." Maybe even some cash to sweeten the deal.

I'm gonna stop now, since it seems my way of thinking slips very easily into the criminal.

No, I would not call the police. That would be evil.

So what would you do? The big thing is that I paid for the massage with a credit card. If they ever get raided they will have my information.


Yes. Yes they do.

Why are you going to dodgy massage parlors in the first place? If you want a good massage, always go to a man. Male masseuse are far better than women for the most part.

Yes. Yes they do.

Why are you going to dodgy massage parlors in the first place? If you want a good massage, always go to a man. Male masseuse are far better than women for the most part.

I couldn't tell it was dodgy. It looked legit.

Possibly. Eh, whatever. If I ever went into politics I certainly wouldn't hide the fact that I don't have an issue with prostitution.

It's the implication that you broke the law which is a worry. Without a conviction it should stay confidential. But there's the rub: should.

Police files aren't anywhere near as confidential as they should be, in my experience. I had a guy steal my bag on the train, didn't bother reporting it. A few weeks later, the guy's girlfriend kicked him out and to keep from having to let him in the house took all his stuff to the cop-shop. Including my bag, still with identifying info in it. Not a smart thief that one.

Anyway, point of that story. The sergeant turned the monitor around so I could see the guys name on his file, even though we'd agreed not to charge the guy for my sad old bag. I red his name, started reading on down (date of birth, etc) then suddenly realized what I was reading.

Fucken insane. Sad bastard steals bag. Victim comes in to get property. Cop breaks law. :rolleyes:

I retract the suggestion about "losing" your credit card. That's fraud.

Committing an actual crime to avoid a chance of being prosecuted for something you didn't do would be pretty silly. I spoke too soon.

Jocabia, what the hell were you thinking, to not leave when she asked if you were a cop? The second or third time I'd have been talking to the manager, undo the credit card transaction (still on record). "I don't want to have to go to the cops, I just want my money back." Maybe even some cash to sweeten the deal.

I'm gonna stop now, since it seems my way of thinking slips very easily into the criminal.

What manager? The only person I saw was her and when I'd figured it out, the only think I cared about was leaving, which I did.

What manager? The only person I saw was her and when I'd figured it out, the only think I cared about was leaving, which I did.

I need to get out of this chair and take a break, that was another dumb thing to say. The "manager" would probably be a Samoan guy with an iron bar. Asking to see him, bad idea.

I couldn't tell it was dodgy. It looked legit.

Pretty much all massage parlors are dodgy though. I mean, if that's your thing - not the therapeutic side - by all means. Just pay cash I suppose.

Really though, if you want a good massage, pick a man. Much better at it.

Okay,
1. Calm down, the cops have better things to do after busting a brothel than call up every single person who ever visited it and ask if they were propositioned.
2. You payed for a massage. You got a massage. No crime. You did not pay any more, so you can't be accused of soliciting
3. You suggested in one of your posts that she beat around the bush when she was asking if you wanted a BJ: Unless she specifically said, "Do you want me to suck your dick" you can probably claim that you misunderstood the proposition. Of course, it depends on how she phrased it.
4. If she asked in a way that is not subtle, then I'd say write a letter to the management advising them that you believe one of their masseuses propositioned you. Keep a record of this, such that if the cops do decide to bust it, you have proof that you followed it up.
5. Only an idiot would pay by credit card if they were getting something from an illegal brothel. The police would know that.

I think the main thing here is that: You did not actually pay for anything sexual in nature nor did you receive anything.. I think the police are very unlikely to actually follow every visitor to the massage place up (think, 30 minute massages - 14 customers per day per masseuse. Times that by however many masseuses and how ever many days they have been operating)

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4. If she asked in a way that is not subtle, then I'd say write a letter to the management advising them that you believe one of their masseuses propositioned you. Keep a record of this, such that if the cops do decide to bust it, you have proof that you followed it up.

That's only proof if you lodged the letter through a solicitor.

5. Only an idiot would pay by credit card if they were getting something from an illegal brothel. The police would know that.

Good point. Two payments: one for massage, then the girl asked for cash payment. Quite different things.

Jocabia, my friend, you went to a brothel.

But don't let that worry you. places like that get raided around here all the time but never do they bother with going after people 'on file.'

Here's why:

You paid for, and received, a massage. Period. That's a perfectly legal activity. Had you gotten any sort of happy ending you'd have been expected to pay cash for it and frankly, I'm amazed she came right out and asked you for money. Typically they're very careful not to say anything that could be taken as solicitation. Generally you'd leave a few bills on the table and she'd understand what you wanted and do it, then at some point she'd discreetly pocket the money and everybody goes about their business.

In short: You have absolutely nothing to worry about.

As for calling the cops... Rest assured, they know about it. They won't go after it though unless some politician is up for re-election and wants to make an example of it. Generally they leave places like that alone because it's not like street prostitution which is typically associated with drugs and other unsavory activity. Massage parlors are generally discreet and keep to themselves.