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The current interethinic dating thread and my personal experiences has me askin a question: which has affected you more?

Religion. I dated a religious guy once, and I will not do so again. It was just weird beyond words, having someone with full sincerity lecture me about crying icons and confession and going to prayer group. I had the hardest time keeping from laughing out loud, to be perfectly honest. We dated for about 2 weeks, and then I told him sorry, but he'd better find himself someone else.

Ethnicity I don't have the least problem with.

Religion - basicly the same as Cabra (but with girls instead of boys) ;)
I have no preference for a specific skincolour.

Religion. Catholic schoolgirls are good in bed, but when their dad is a priest and you get sermons over the dinner table about why you should become a Catholic yourself, enough is enough.

Religion. Catholic schoolgirls are good in bed, but when their dad is a priest and you get sermons over the dinner table about why you should become a Catholic yourself, enough is enough.

Errr... While I'm sure there are Catholic priests out there with daughters, I'm not sure many of them would acknowledge their paternity...

The current interethinic dating thread and my personal experiences has me askin a question: which has affected you more?

Everyone I've ever dated has been either outside my ethnicity or my religious beliefs--usually both. I've never dated another atheist before, though I have dated one Caucasian person before.

To be honest, I don't see ethnicity or religion affecting me much in my relationships. Obviously I would expect respect of my atheism--just as I would respect her beliefs--but other than that, there's no requirements. (Though to be honest certain facial features of certain African ethnicities aren't as attractive...it's the wider noses. The skin colour's not an issue though, especially not when one of the most beautiful women I've ever met in my life was also one of the darkest in skin colour. I just don't find the really wide noses all that attractive.)

Definitely religion because it's one of those differences where the person you're with wants you to change to become like them - they can see it as a flaw if you don't believe the same things as they do.

And then there are the obvious problems with family etc.

Religion. Catholic schoolgirls are good in bed, but when their dad is a priest and you get sermons over the dinner table about why you should become a Catholic yourself, enough is enough.

The father of the girl is a Roman Catholic priest? Something is wrong here.

The father of the girl is a Roman Catholic priest? Something is wrong here.

Yep. Your interpretation. I suspect old Intange was using that as analogy for his meaning, specifically for anyone of any religious affiliation that is overly evangelical.

Yep. Your interpretation. I suspect old Intange was using that as analogy for his meaning, specifically for anyone of any religious affiliation that is overly evangelical.

Then that is definitely a clumsy analogy.

I really don't care about either. As far as religion goes, I expect a mutual respect for each other's beliefs. I would never pressure my significant other into believing in my brand of religion, and I'd expect the same courtesy in return.

Errr... While I'm sure there are Catholic priests out there with daughters, I'm not sure many of them would acknowledge their paternity...

The father of the girl is a Roman Catholic priest? Something is wrong here.

not all catholics are roman catholics.

Yep. Your interpretation. I suspect old Intange was using that as analogy for his meaning, specifically for anyone of any religious affiliation that is overly evangelical.

Err..
1) It was Yootopia, not some poster named Intange, who claimed he was sleeping with the daughters of Catholic Priests.

2) His wording was quite clear - not evangelicals, but Catholic Priests.

If he wants to correct himself, fine. But until then, let's not read into what he didn't write, m'kay?

Then that is definitely a clumsy analogy.

Indeed so. Again, I'll say let's go by what the poster wote, and not by someonbe else's version.

I'd have to say religion affects who I date more than ethnicity. I've never dated outside my religion before but those three months with the Southern Baptist girl and her crazy father who thinks I'm the Spawn of Satan hear to take his daughter away sure made it seem like that way. I am very happy not to know her anymore. Just no...

The current interethinic dating thread and my personal experiences has me askin a question: which has affected you more?

What affects me more than anything is whether or not the person I am with is intelligent, doesn't take themselves TOO seriously, has self-respect, respects others, and doesn't think Ren Faires or the Internet are the devil. ;)

not all catholics are roman catholics.

However in the common vernacular, Catholic referes to "Roman Catholics". Orthodox, Protestant, or other terms would be used to distinguish the others.

However in the common vernacular, Catholic referes to "Roman Catholics". Orthodox, Protestant, or other terms would be used to distinguish the others.

Oooh, you used vernacular! May you have better luck than when I used parlance!

I really don't care about either. As far as religion goes, I expect a mutual respect for each other's beliefs. I would never pressure my significant other into believing in my brand of religion, and I'd expect the same courtesy in return.

That's what I first thought, too. Otherwise I wouldn't have dated that Christian guy in the first place... but I think if you put yourself in their place, they have to "save" you, if only to be sure to be able to spend eternity in the same room with you. I think it's relatively likely that conversion will be attempted sooner or later.

Err..
1) It was Yootopia, not some poster named Intange, who claimed he was sleeping with the daughters of Catholic Priests.

2) His wording was quite clear - not evangelicals, but Catholic Priests.

If he wants to correct himself, fine. But until then, let's not read into what he didn't write, m'kay?



Indeed so. Again, I'll say let's go by what the poster wote, and not by someonbe else's version.

I accept that the poster was using "priest" in a metaphorical sense, but this metaphor just undos itself by inviting much rampant and amusing speculation.

What affects me more than anything is whether or not the person I am with is intelligent, doesn't take themselves TOO seriously, has self-respect, respects others, and doesn't think Ren Faires or the Internet are the devil. ;)

I'm looking more towards extrasocial mores - as with the mothet of a former GF who partially sank our relationship by stating she'd not accept a non-Xian S-in-L.

I have close friends in many guys of many different religions, but am yet to date any of them XD But they respect my Catholicism, and I respect their religion - or lack thereof. I can see myself getting into a relationship with any one of them, but as for marriage and children, I can see conflicting beliefs resulting in an issue with the unity ritual and the teaching of children. I really don't see an atheist/religious couple rearing children, since the question of whether or not to teach the offspring religion would rise.

Oooh, you used vernacular! May you have better luck than when I used parlance!

Me use big word. More one sound. Ugh.

:p LOL

If we don't want to sit around in a morrass of anti-intellectuallism, we'd best attempt to make use of our vocabulary, lest we totally surrender NSG to the Swiftian Yahoos...

However in the common vernacular, Catholic referes to "Roman Catholics". Orthodox, Protestant, or other terms would be used to distinguish the others.

perhaps yoo isnt up on the common vernacular.

perhaps yoo isnt up on the common vernacular.

Doubtful. I believe Roman Catholics make up over 90% of all Catholics while most people do not even know there are other forms.

Doubtful. I believe Roman Catholics make up over 90% of all Catholics while most people do not even know there are other forms.

Exactly so.

Ethnicity is not an important thing for me. Religion is though. I might date outside of the fiath but I doubt that I would ever marry anyone outside of the faith. This decision is helped by knowing many smart attractive girls who belive what I believe

Ethnicity is absolutely no problem to me (though I DEFINITELY find Asians most attractive. Just personal preference. ^.~) Anywho. My religion is me, basically, and I can't date outside it. It's easy to compromise your religion when you have strong feelings for someone who disagrees with it. Or worse: you get so caught up in your worry for this other person, you make the mistake of trying to convince them to convert, which only God can do (we're just here to inform)...(by Christian beliefs, of course, which I understand most people don't share)...^^; Heh...

Err..
1) It was Yootopia, not some poster named Intange, who claimed he was sleeping with the daughters of Catholic Priests.

2) His wording was quite clear - not evangelicals, but Catholic Priests.

If he wants to correct himself, fine. But until then, let's not read into what he didn't write, m'kay?
Err...

1. Whoops. Somehow I mixed up Yootopia and Intangelon. Don't ask me how I did that.

2. Well...okay okay...

That's what I first thought, too. Otherwise I wouldn't have dated that Christian guy in the first place... but I think if you put yourself in their place, they have to "save" you, if only to be sure to be able to spend eternity in the same room with you. I think it's relatively likely that conversion will be attempted sooner or later.
I would be the Christian in the relationship. :p I just don't believe that it's possible for people to convert other people, that has to come from elsewhere. I know people have tried to scare, badger, debate or out-logic me into converting to Christianity, and I know none of that worked. I also know that Christianity is right for me, I'm not arrogant enough to assume it's right for everyone. I've had many religions and they've all treated me very well.

Ethnicity is absolutely no problem to me (though I DEFINITELY find Asians most attractive. Just personal preference. ^.~) Anywho. My religion is me, basically, and I can't date outside it. It's easy to compromise your religion when you have strong feelings for someone who disagrees with it. Or worse: you get so caught up in your worry for this other person, you make the mistake of trying to convince them to convert, which only God can do (we're just here to inform)...(by Christian beliefs, of course, which I understand most people don't share)...^^; Heh...

I don't think it is so much the different religions that is the problem, but the level of seriousness to that religion (or lack thereof). I have seen Catholic couples that fight about religion all the time because one is the gung-ho, say the rosary everyday, go to confession every week, type of Catholic, while the other is the, only go to church on holidays, never even owned a rosary, haven't been to confession since grade school, type of Catholic.

On the other hand, I've seen couples of mixed beliefs that hardly ever have problems with their religions because they are more tolerant and respectful to each other's beliefs and less mired in their religion's dogma. My wife and I fall into this category. She is Mormon and I am an apathetic agnostic (I don't know if there is a God or not, and I don't care), but we get a long because she doesn't subscribe to much of their beliefs (she drinks coffee, tea and alcohol) and I just don't put a lot of emphasis on religion in general as long as no one tries to convert me.

I don't fraternise with the religious. It's not something I can respect.

How about neither has affected me?

I don't fraternise with the religious. It's not something I can respect.

Hmm. I wouldn't go that far, but must say that most Christians and Muslems I met tend to have the morals and - in some areas pertaining to their religion - reasoning capacity of a child, regardless of how intelligent they are in other areas.

And I am not a pedophile. Not even if the child is an adult physically.

I have more run ins because of religious differences then ethnic differences.
Mostly because said person i am dating has a religious friend that doesn't like me because I am openly not Christian.

Never had a problem with the buddhist or Hindus i have dated.

The current interethinic dating thread and my personal experiences has me askin a question: which has affected you more?

I'd date a girl of any religion, I'd just ask they respect my religion and I would respect theirs.

Well, religion has certainly caused me more problems than ethnicity - sorta. It's hard to define whether it's an issue with religion or ethnicity when you have cheerfully agreed to convert and raise any potential kids within your significant other's faith, and their friends and family (many of whom don't actually believe in God anyway) still won't accept you because you weren't born into that faith.

Religion, by far.

I had major problems staying with a girl who was devoutly religious, compared with a happy (if brief) relationship with a girl who had a different amount of pigmentation in her skin to me.

That said, I wouldn’t put off a relationship solely because someone was religious. We’d just have to be good at arguing with out falling out. Indeed, to be fair, I’d say my relationship with the religious girl broke down more because she was unable to discuss her religion (and politics, and other views) rather than the very fact of her being religious.

Race and religion don't inform my dating choices, but they do impact my experience. I have dated: a Jewish boy; a white Catholic girl; a Korean atheist boy; a Korean agnostic girl; and a black Christian boy. The one that was probably most affected by race or religion was the Catholic girl, because she was uber religious and in denial about her gayness (yet somehow we still went out for a month... don't ask me, I'm not the crazy one).

I think generally in dating religion impacts more than race.

Religion is a set of beliefs that you follow, which is likely to reflect the way you think about the world generally and your views on everything else, and in a relationship it's important either to be dating someone who has a similar (not necessarily identical - I don't believe in soulmates or the perfect partner by any stretch of the imagination) outlook and collection of views on life as you, or someone who thinks completely different things to you but a person with which you are able to talk openly about what you think and why you think it without feeling vilified or accused.

Having said that, religion and views on life can be affected by race, due to cultural differences and the like. But it still doesn't mean two people are incompatible. In any case, for me certainly religion affects my dating to some extent (though it's most definitely untrue to say I wouldn't date someone who believed different things to me) and race affects my dating to no extent.

Relationships are very complicated things, and being a bond between two people different to each other and different to everyone else in the world, they vary enormously. They can be so difficult and so time-consuming, they can be a source of frustation and yet a source of elation. You can spend all your time thinking about them or forget and let them be buried in the elapsed years of your life. They can be the things we remember the most from experiences and they can be looked forward to, regretted, pined for, and adored. They can be fleeting and they can be lifelong. They can cause us the most unthinkable pain and the most unimaginable joy. I think they're one of the best things ever to happen to us.

...or someone who thinks completely different things to you but a person with which you are able to talk openly about what you think and why you think it without feeling vilified or accused.
Exactly!

I would have no problem going out with someone with a completely different theological or political bent (discounting nutters, such as BNP supporters), as long as we could talk about these things without hurting one another. Beyond the land of partners, I find it very hard to befriend people who can’t discuss religion or politics without descending into name-calling and other such nonsense.

Both have affected me. I have dated only outside my religion, and only once not dated outside my ethnicity. Mostly I've been with Asian partners.

Dating those from another religion is generally the easier of the two, depending on the religion of course. Provided everyone is grown up and sensible about it, it's not a problem. Abrahamic religions tends to give the most grief, since there is a tendency by many more devout people of those religions to want to either convert you, or go on an iconoclastic "purge" of your flat. :headbang:

With other ethnicities, i.e. cultures, the real problem comes not with the person themselves, but from the involvement of in laws on both sides. Generally anyone open minded enough to go with those form different cultures will know there are misunderstanding an just let them slip, or openly debate them and try to reach an understanding, but because an individual is this way is no guarantee that the in laws will be. Almost always this is where I have found problems, on both sides.

Religion could be a problem, I suppose. I don't care if someone is religious as long as they aren't overly religious and they respect me for being atheist.

The current interethinic dating thread and my personal experiences has me askin a question: which has affected you more?

It seems the girls attract to me more because of my race (and stereotypes associated with it). After that, though, I can still blow it. If you've ever watched at least the beginning of that movie "Hitch", then I don't need to go into any more detail.

Ive dated latin girls. Hot hot hot hot.

Religion didnt use to effect me, but it would now. I dont think I could date someone devoutly religious. For various reasons.

Err...

1. Whoops. Somehow I mixed up Yootopia and Intangelon. Don't ask me how I did that.

2. Well...okay okay...

Mistakes happen, no worries. ;)

The current interethinic dating thread and my personal experiences has me askin a question: which has affected you more?

Neither has affected me.

I wouldn't date religious girls, but I'd probably date women outside my ethnicity.

Depends on what you mean by ethnicity. As I said in the "Your kind of Human" thread, I'm only attracte to Europeans/Half-Europeans/Whatever the hell Magyars are. But that's if we intend 'ethnicity' to mean 'race'.

If by ethnicity we mean an actual ethnic group, then I'll say that it hasn't affected me much. I've dated Irish-, Scottish-, German-, Italian-, and Hungarian-Americans, all of whom retained cultural connectiosn to their place of ancestral origin.

Now, religion is another matter. I don't really think that I could ever keep on a long-term relationship with a non-Christian. To tell the truth though, I wouldn't mind a Jew, Unitarian, Jain, or Sikh. However, it certainly wouldn't work between myself and a person no faith. They wouldn't put up with my devout religiousity, and I'd probably be turned off by their lack of such.

Irreligious contacts, yes. Irreligious friends, yes. But I couldn't enjoy having a soulmate who doesn't believe in a soul.

I would date outside of my religion, but would be less likely too if they were of a non-Christian denomination. However, I would never date anyone outside of my ethnicity, under any circumstances.

I would date outside of my religion, but would be less likely too if they were of a non-Christian denomination. However, I would never date anyone outside of my ethnicity, under any circumstances.

Why not?

Why not?

because he's an illegal alien from the sky, it's not possible for him to...ahem, go with other people. ahem.

I really think that a disagreement on religious values, as opposed to a difference in ethnicity, might be a legitimate concern. This said, if you really love her (or him) you'll work it out.

Oh, and by the way, I find people outside of my ethnicity exotic, so if anything I'd consider it a plus.

[QUOTE=Plotadonia;13645862]I really think that a disagreement on religious values, as opposed to a difference in ethnicity, might be a legitimate concern. This said, if you really love her (or him) you'll work it out.

I'd like to think so, but sadly, sometimes you really can't, especially when in-laws become involved :(

Father-in-law:DO YOU KNOW THE LORD'S PRAYER?!
Me: Uh..... um... YES!

Father-in-law:DO YOU KNOW THE LORD'S PRAYER?!

Yes.The Lord prays to me daily.

Yes.The Lord prays to me daily.


LOL. If i had known how it was going to wind up anyway, I wish I had said that back then. :D

Someone else's inter-religious dating has affected me - without that of my parents, I would never have been born.

I personally will not date non-Jews. For one, I want to marry a Jewess, so my kids will be Jews. And while dating doesn't HAVE to lead to marriage, I'd rather not run the risk of falling in love. Besides, I like Jewish girls.

Someone else's inter-religious dating has affected me - without that of my parents, I would never have been born.

I personally will not date non-Jews. For one, I want to marry a Jewess, so my kids will be Jews. And while dating doesn't HAVE to lead to marriage, I'd rather not run the risk of falling in love. Besides, I like Jewish girls.

There's no possibility of your kids being jews if the mother isn't a jew?
:confused:

There's no possibility of your kids being jews if the mother isn't a jew?
:confused:

Well.. strictly speaking Judaism is inherited from the mother. Their faith, their rules.

Theoretically, religion wouldn't be an issue for me. I'm pretty religious myself, but I have no urge to convert others, and unless they're very fundamentalist in their beliefs, I can tolerate everyone. In reality, of course, I'd prefer a girl of my own faith for practical reasons and to minimize the risk that she might not tolerate my religion.

Race is a different thing; I wouldn't date outside my race. This is because others than whites are usually, shall we say, aesthetically unpleasant. I wouldn't have a problem with slightly exotic-looking women, such as mediterranean types or half-whites, but non-whites almost always just look too exotic to be attractive. It raises the ick-factor far too high.

I would date someone outside of my ethnicity; in fact, I greatly prefer women from another ethnicity. However, I almost necessarily would date someone from another religion, since my 'religion', if you can call Deism that, has very few adherents.

I'm in an "interethnic" relationship.

I suppose I've been in several "interethnic" relationships, and one of those was also "interreligious".

Neither of the two things really affected me persay, although when I was dating a Greek Orthodox his parents hated the fact I wasn't baptised and while I was with him, I had red hair, so I barely looked "ethnic", either, so hanging around lots of religious Greek people who were gossiping about my school results was kind of daunting and confusing. Also, when I dated an Italian, his sister called me a "convict", and he replied (in Italian) "she's Hungarian!"

I couldn't date a religious person. Just...couldn't. Cultural differences are big hurdles...it's tough. But I could see putting in the effort in that case. However, when someone starts introducing fantasy which becomes a guiding principle of their life? That's not a difference I could manage.

Race is a different thing; I wouldn't date outside my race. This is because others than whites are usually, shall we say, aesthetically unpleasant. I wouldn't have a problem with slightly exotic-looking women, such as mediterranean types or half-whites, but non-whites almost always just look too exotic to be attractive. It raises the ick-factor far too high.

It makes me wonder how you grew up that you developed this bizarre reaction to 'non-whites'.

I don't fraternise with the religious. It's not something I can respect.

This.

It's the same with people who are die-hard conservatives. I have to respect my partner. I can't respect someone who is either truly stupid, or willfully ignorant.

Race is a different thing; I wouldn't date outside my race. This is because others than whites are usually, shall we say, aesthetically unpleasant. I wouldn't have a problem with slightly exotic-looking women, such as mediterranean types or half-whites, but non-whites almost always just look too exotic to be attractive. It raises the ick-factor far too high.

I suggest you go out and fuck some latin women. Your mind will change instantly.


I <3 latin women.

Why not?

White supremicists dont want to dirty their genetics.

White supremicists dont want to dirty their genetics.

I was hoping for him to respond so I could tear his argument apart.

I suggest you go out and fuck some latin women. Your mind will change instantly. Apparently they're just too exotic.

Which is code for 'I'm a dirty white supremist'.

Apparently they're just too exotic.

Which is code for 'I'm a dirty white supremist'.

Psh. His loss.

I should add this. Id date a really Christian chick.


Just so I could corrupt her. :cool:

I was hoping for him to respond so I could tear his argument apart.

What argument? It's personal preference. You can't force him to find chicks from other ethnicities hot, anymore than you could force him to start liking men. Assuming he is a he and not a she in which case, reverse it, and assuming he/she is het, and if not, reverse that part too.

This.

It's the same with people who are die-hard conservatives. I have to respect my partner. I can't respect someone who is either truly stupid, or willfully ignorant.

Not that I couldn't sleep with a religious person, mind you.

What argument? It's personal preference. You can't force him to find chicks from other ethnicities hot, anymore than you could force him to start liking men. Assuming he is a he and not a she in which case, reverse it, and assuming he/she is het, and if not, reverse that part too.

I was referring to his (theoretical) justification. I know I can't change his mind, that wouldn't be the point of it anyways.

It makes me wonder how you grew up that you developed this bizarre reaction to 'non-whites'.

Nothing bizarre about that; I just grew up in a place where there were no non-whites. Although I live in a slightly more multicultural environment now, I'm still not quite used to their appearance.

I suggest you go out and fuck some latin women. Your mind will change instantly.


I <3 latin women.

I did say that I wouldn't have a problem with Mediterranean types, didn't I? I would consider Latin women to belong to this category. If this is not a common classification in your country, I apologise for the confusion.

I don't mean to say that I summarily rule out girlfriend prospects only based on ethnicity. I'm just saying that I'm very rarely attracted to women, who don't have Caucasian facial features.

I would have to say religion has had more affect on my dating, but not really much. About the only affect it has is that those hot young Muslim women won't date polytheistic me. Which really sucks because I went through a few years of this attraction to hot young Muslim women.

But the way I approach it all is this. Who you are is there to be enjoyed, made fun of, shared, and embraced. My current girlfriend is a white, blond, Ukranian, I have made more jokes using that then I want to count. But they're all in poor taste intended to put a smile on her face, as she knows they're jokes. I was like that with a Hispanic girl I dated, and a Newfie before that. Ethnicity and religion are just there to enjoy, have fun with, and I expect the same in return as I do.

Of course those who can't take jokes like that arn't worth my time.

Religion. Catholic schoolgirls are good in bed, but when their dad is a priest and you get sermons over the dinner table about why you should become a Catholic yourself, enough is enough.

Don't lie, Yootopia.


Many people seem to unfortunately have dated people who have attempted to convert you and say you are wrong for not being of the same faith. I do not support those people, while I am Catholic myself I have never and will never preach to someone I am dating (or most other people for that matter), I think it is wrong to do that, I may defend my faith and beliefs if I am attacked for them (in the same way if I was attacked by someone for my animal rights beliefs) and would not appreiciate an atheist trying to change my beliefs (in the same way they don't want religious people doing it to them), but I won't attempt to convert them and try to 'save' them as some evangelical Christians might.

As for my own story, I once dated a young Jewish girl (beautiful girl, eyes like you would not believe) and her parents and the rest of her extended family looked down on me. In the end her parents got to her by saying how much of a disgrace she was and how I was an embarrassment (sometimes right in front of me with no shame), and she broke it up because "I wasn't Jewish". She is now married to some Bozo, and that bastard is only married to her because his mother was a Jew.

Of course religion is more important. Relationships hinge on ideas and values; if you don't share your partner's values, why are you together?

I did say that I wouldn't have a problem with Mediterranean types, didn't I? I would consider Latin women to belong to this category. If this is not a common classification in your country, I apologise for the confusion.



Without being too much of a dick, I have to ask...


How the fuck are Latin women considered Mediterranean when Latin America is no where fucking near the Mediterranean Sea?

As a central asian who somehow looks south american (Don't ask me how this happend. Seriously, even Latinos think that), I'm usually the 'exotic' one in any of my relationships. So far, I've dated only white girls so far, and it's not really a conscious effort or anything, just seems to always happen that way. I just entered college, so that's not quite a long time in terms of dating experience.

I dated a half-Jewish girl once, and she kept reminding me of it, though more of in a playful way. Taught me a bunch of stuff of Yiddish and its derivative humor. I miss her.

Without being too much of a dick, I have to ask...


How the fuck are Latin women considered Mediterranean when Latin America is no where fucking near the Mediterranean Sea?

Latin people are mostly descendants of the Spanish settlers, and Spain is by the Mediterranean Sea. It's not like the people in Latin America are indigenous to the region any more than the whites and blacks of the USA are indigenous to North America. Of course, some of them are more or less mixed with the native ethnicities, but that varies a lot depending on region.

Ever wondered why it's called Latin America?

Ethnicity isn't really a problem that much of a problem it seems at least in the areas I've lived (Aberystwyth and Cardiff (both in wales)) but they are both very multicultural, the worst you'd get is ribbing if you go out with an englishman/englishwoman if your welsh (but thats good natured mainly).

Religion is slightly more of a stumbling block but thats mainly with fundies (which from my point of view isn't a problem as I'm not intrested).

However the main problem at least for me is political philosophy, I'm a socialist and so are my family and its slightly like being orthodox Jewish I'm expected to marry a nice socialist girl..... Also one of the things with Muslims and Jews is my and my family's stance on zionism, as we're very anti Zionism it means despite our Jewish heritige we can't interact with the large Jewish comunity but we can with the larger Muslim one.

Also language sometimes causes a problem, if your english first language you tend not to mesh that much with the welsh first language people.