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So, I've been thinking alot about the Subconscious mind, mainly because I've seen people apparently act on their own subconscious mind. They do things that they wouldn't normally do if their conscious mind was in charge. Does the Subconscious mind really have that much control if we let it? Does the subconscious mind express our feelings, and emotions if our conscious mind wern't in charge? Also, this has always confused me.

she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level.

How can you make a choice on a near unconscious level, or subconscious level? It's pretty radical and abstract for me to wrap my head around it heh. So what do you guys have to say about the Subconscious mind?

Makes some good writings/musings sometimes.

I call them 'The Voices' and they give me ideas to avoid boredom. You just have to remember that they have no concept of legal taboos; like killing people. *nod*

So, I've been thinking alot about the Subconscious mind, mainly because I've seen people apparently act on their own subconscious mind. They do things that they wouldn't normally do if their conscious mind was in charge. Does the Subconscious mind really have that much control if we let it? Does the subconscious mind express our feelings, and emotions if our conscious mind wern't in charge? Also, this has always confused me.What? You've seen people act inconsistently? How unnatural.

I'm not convinced that the "subconcious mind" is a thing for us to be worried about. It's just a label people put on things when they act strangely -- no more mysterious than my liking a certain type of drink and not being able to give a 'reason.' It's like trying to postulate a necessary "process" of some type behind a quick estimate of length (of a book, etc). Sure, you can do it, but what you come up with is not necessarily going to be "true"-- nor "false." It's just describing the same thing with different words, and I don't really understand the fascination.

Jhaninananana.... Whatever the hell his name is. You know who I mean.
I think they can vouch for a good idea about Subconscious issues.

I call them 'The Voices' and they give me ideas to avoid boredom. You just have to remember that they have no concept of legal taboos; like killing people. *nod*
Lies! The voices only speak to me!They said so! I do everything they tell me to! Now where can I find some high grade exploisves...

I call them 'The Voices' and they give me ideas to avoid boredom. You just have to remember that they have no concept of legal taboos; like killing people. *nod*

You do realize your wife is a police person right?

I got a question about that actually. I am interested in a law enforcement female myself, she is a detention officer. She seems to be a very strong woman, both mentally and physically, and I like her spiked hair. :D

So whats it like being with a woman in blue?

I've always wondered if I would have another personality of my conscious and unconscious minds suddenly swiched somehow. I'm not even sure that's possible though, it's just musings on my part.

I think it is an amazing part of the mind. Think about how many solutions to problems yours has come up with without using your conscious mind to do it. I have had solutions to difficult problems in all ranges from business to relatives come to me in my sleep or just pop in my head. Almost like a computer program running in the background. When it is done processing the assigned task it spits out the solution. I can attribute many successful business outcomes to my subconscious finding a solution that works.

I think they can vouch for a good idea about Subconscious issues.

Nah, that was just a cheap pop at the expense of a difficult to pronounce name. I'd like to say that I'm better than that, but I'm not. :p

You do realize your wife is a police person right?


He married his parole officer. She knows his history.


So whats it like being with a woman in blue?

It is probably a good thing that she has many restraining devices.

Nah, that was just a cheap pop at the expense of a difficult to pronounce name. I'd like to say that I'm better than that, but I'm not. :p
Actually, that served as an excellent example in more than one way, not so much a zing at yourself, Your Esteemedness. :p
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He married his parole officer. She knows his history.

Women always go for the bad boys, it's true.

It is probably a good thing that she has many restraining devices.

Now that's just hot.

My subconcious mind makes my concious mind get into a lot of problems. I hate them both!

Actually, that served as an excellent example in more than one way, not so much a zing at yourself, Your Esteemedness. :p

Um.... yay? :confused:

Now that's just hot.There ya go. *nods*

My subconcious mind makes my concious mind get into a lot of problems. I hate them both!

Paradox?

My subconcious mind makes my concious mind get into a lot of problems. I hate them both!So ... your unconsciousness is the mediator?
*watches intently*

Um.... yay? :confused:You know where i lifted the quote from. *wink*

How can you make a choice on a near unconscious level, or subconscious level? It's pretty radical and abstract for me to wrap my head around it heh. So what do you guys have to say about the Subconscious mind?

If you had to *decide* to do everything you do each day, you'd never make it past your bedroom door. We do almost everything via unconscious processes, because that's what the brain is and how it functions. The subconscious in psychology is distinct in that it's simply the portion of our identity that we aren't consciously aware of. There's nothing to wrap your brain around, really.

So ... your unconsciousness is the mediator?
*watches intently*

Yes, and the insults I get too for not thinking before speaking.:p

If you had to *decide* to do everything you do each day, you'd never make it past your bedroom door. We do almost everything via unconscious processes, because that's what the brain is and how it functions. The subconscious in psychology is distinct in that it's simply the portion of our identity that we aren't consciously aware of. There's nothing to wrap your brain around, really.

So if our subconscious mind have us act on an impuse that our conscious mind wouldn't then would that action be something we'd really want to do but our conscious mind been supressing it until that point?

So if our subconscious mind have us act on an impuse that our conscious mind wouldn't then would that action be something we'd really want to do but our conscious mind been supressing it until that point?

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Yes, and the insults I get too for not thinking before speaking.:p
That's why you do everything with interpretive dance simultaneously! Wraps it all together nicely! :D
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That's why you do everything with interpretive dance simultaneously! Wraps it all together nicely! :D
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It gives me a headache.

So if our subconscious mind have us act on an impuse that our conscious mind wouldn't then would that action be something we'd really want to do but our conscious mind been supressing it until that point?

Consciousness is only a matter of awareness - your mind (if you believe in the idea of a "mind" to begin with) isn't playing a game of Battleship with itself, where there are two distinct sides with two agendas. You can't consciously suppress a subconscious desire, because you'd have to be aware of the desire to know you were suppressing it.

It gives me a headache.I usually hear something along those lines shortly before unconsciousness on my part ... from wifey (consciously at that) :p

I usually hear something along those lines shortly before unconsciousness on my part ... from wifey (consciously at that) :p

You pimp, you.;)

You pimp, you.;)
I thought Laerod was the ... oh yeah. :)

I thought Laerod was the ... oh yeah. :)

;)

Interesting fact: There's 10 times as much flora (bacteria, fungi and archaea) cells within the human body as there are human cells.

My guess is that those weird voices, feelings and urges we get aren't our subconscious mind at all, but the bacteria and fungi wanting to mess with us.

Just remember that the next time you chow down some acidolphilus yoghurt.

Interesting fact: There's 10 times as much flora (bacteria, fungi and archaea) cells within the human body as there are human cells.

My guess is that those weird voices, feelings and urges we get aren't our subconscious mind at all, but the bacteria and fungi wanting to mess with us.

Just remember that the next time you chow down some acidolphilus yoghurt.

It's like a party in my mouth and everyone's invited! :eek:

Interesting fact: There's 10 times as much flora (bacteria, fungi and archaea) cells within the human body as there are human cells.

My guess is that those weird voices, feelings and urges we get aren't our subconscious mind at all, but the bacteria and fungi wanting to mess with us.

Just remember that the next time you chow down some acidolphilus yoghurt.

OHMYGOD my e-coli are staging a coup! quick i need reinforcements. get the yoplait!

It's like a party in my mouth and everyone's invited! :eek:

Ugh ... it's like a party in my mouth ... and everyone's throwing up!
:eek:

OHMYGOD my e-coli are staging a coup! quick i need reinforcements. get the yoplait!
You fool! That's what they want you to do!
Quick - to the bar and kill the bastards with vodka!

So if our subconscious mind have us act on an impuse that our conscious mind wouldn't then would that action be something we'd really want to do but our conscious mind been supressing it until that point?

It doesn't exactly work that way. Unlike Freud's ideas, you don't have two seperate minds competing with each other, it's more to do with processing power and awareness.

When we talk about the subconscious, we refer to automatic processes that you are not aware of. For example driving, if you are an experienced driver you will no longer think about the various movements required to drive a car. E.g. putting on indicators when turning, pressing the break to slow down, the accelerator to speed up. It has become a subconscious process. This is important because if frees up processing power, it's effectively a short-cut.

If something enters our awareness, it becomes a conscious process. It is a 'controlled' that we are dedicating processing power to. However, decisions made can be affected by a whole host of information that we may not be directly aware of, but the decision itself is conscious.

Research is on-going as to what is an automatic and what is a controlled process and how they interact (and this is not my speciality, so I couldn't tell you exactly what the state of research is), but the two are merely different levels of processing requiring different amounts of resources to achieve. They are not two seperate and competing entities and as a rule automatic processes can always be over-ridden by controlled processes however these will always be slower (due to limited processing power).

Unlike Freud's ideas... Freud was an idiotic asshole.

I'm surprised no one has said the subconscious doesn't exist yet. I mean, there's no proof such a thing exists, and there isn't really a consensus on what it's supposed to be anyway. I wouldn't rule it out though, because it seems like a good explanation of our need to sleep.

Animals like worms do not sleep. Part of your mind never sleeps either, or else you would go into a coma instead of dreaming. The unconscious might be nothing more than your brain returning to it's primitive worm mind. Gross.

... Freud was an idiotic asshole.

That's silly. Some of his ideas are outmoded, but there's a lot that was important. Some of it is insulting to us today, but made sense at the time.

That's silly. Some of his ideas are outmoded, but there's a lot that was important. Some of it is insulting to us today, but made sense at the time.You're saying, in a way, that people really did want to do a bunch of incest and the like back then ... and that a first wild shot of a guess about that was even remotely accurate.
Or are you?
He was an idiotic asshole. Others did much, much better.

You're saying, in a way, that people really did want to do a bunch of incest and the like back then ... and that a first wild shot of a guess about that was even remotely accurate.
Or are you?
He was an idiotic asshole. Others did much, much better.

That's not what Freud thought.

That's not what Freud thought.
I don't normally take you to task, but i think you should perhaps back up what Freud's assessments were about the only six cases he had any meaningful input on.

I don't normally take you to task, but i think you should perhaps back up what Freud's assessments were about the only six cases he had any meaningful input on.

Freud never claimed that we want to "do a bunch of incest" to our relatives. I'm not sure why you jumped to that conclusion (that a defense of Freud must be a defense of his theories of psychosexual development specifically) but there's a great difference between seeing sexual motivations where they might not exist by modern interpretation and claiming that we want to commit incest, especially since we have no concept of "incest" at the ages he was theorizing about. "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" might be an appropriate way of putting it - Freud's decades of study can't be dismissed as a fixation on the libido.