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I saw a video like a year ago, and it creeped me out, now there is a local teacher and on the local news there was a story last night.....OMG I thought I was going to die... a baby, a baby I know was thrown in the pool gasping for air, choking, flailing......not cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mUPr68x2U

^watch a video of it, and see if that doesn't freak you out.

What do you think about it?

Personally, I think it's pretty wrong, it seems traumatizing and dangerous. I would rather be more prudent in keeping my baby away from the fucking pool.

Next time at the summer olympics - infant swimming!

Maybe they could have a whole infant olympics, if it turns out there's any other sports they're good at. See this is the magical thing about parenting, it's a voyage of discovering which exploitable activities the little rats can do well.

Can't watch the vids as I'm at work, but one of my aunts took her baby to swimming classes when she (the baby) was only a couple of weeks old. She said she's rather teach her straight away than having to fish her little drowned corpse out of their pool at some point.
I can't say I've seen the lessons, but my cousin grew into a child that simply loved water. She swam like a fish... literally. Cause nobody ever taught her breast-stroke and all that. ;)

I can't afford a pool. :(

My parents decided I had to learn how to swim after they temporarily gave my water wings to a neighbour's kid so they kid could have a turn in the pool because I walked off the shallow end and wound up under the water. :p

I think I was 2 or 3 when this happened. I vaguely remember. One of my earliest memories.

Good reason enough to teach the kid early on.

oh nasty. (http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/02/28/tell-me-when-its-over/)

The commercial itself may be a little unsettling, but the training concept is a sound one, I think. You never know what could happen, and just because a kid's legs are only 8 inches long doesn't mean they move that much slower.

They're quick little buggers when they try to be.

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I saw a video like a year ago, and it creeped me out, now there is a local teacher and on the local news there was a story last night.....OMG I thought I was going to die... a baby, a baby I know was thrown in the pool gasping for air, choking, flailing......not cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mUPr68x2U

^watch a video of it, and see if that doesn't freak you out.

What do you think about it?

Personally, I think it's pretty wrong, it seems traumatizing and dangerous. I would rather be more prudent in keeping my baby away from the fucking pool.

That is fucking wrong. So wrong, and the poor kid screaming and crying and yelling for mom. It broke my heart.

That is fucking wrong. So wrong, and the poor kid screaming and crying and yelling for mom. It broke my heart.

that's why i waited to hear the responses here before judging whether i should watch it or not. which i haven't.
I don't like seeing people die.

Not good enough. If we want babies to be able to swim, we need to throw all the babies into pools and let natural selection do the rest.

...

But yeah, that's awful.

I can't afford a pool. :(

me either. I tend to keep an eye on my kids though, I don't know how a 6 month old could get out of the house and to the pool without me knowing, especially be screaming for 5 minutes while they float......when my kids were 6 months old, I didn't let them roam around alone.

that's why i waited to hear the responses here before judging whether i should watch it or not. which i haven't.
I don't like seeing people die.

The baby doesn´t die, but it´s just wrong to put it through that.

Not good enough. If we want babies to be able to swim, we need to throw all the babies into pools and let natural selection do the rest.

...

But yeah, that's awful.

It wouldnt work anyway.
All the fat babies would float to the top.

It wouldnt work anyway.
All the fat babies would float to the top.

you know this how?

So wait...they just tossed this child in the pool...?

Yes, I agree that kids should learn to swim as soon as possible, but...

Parent+child+pool+swimming intructor=the way it should be done.

So wait...they just tossed this child in the pool...?

Yes, I agree that kids should learn to swim as soon as possible, but...

Parent+child+pool+swimming intructor=the way it should be done.
There are lessons, hours and weeks and months of lessons, where they drop the child in the pool and the instructor taps them on the shoulder while they are gasping and choking so they "learn to roll over"

you know this how?

Fat is lighter than water. Hence, the babies with more fat would float better than babies with less fat.

Ekk! I've never seen a baby swim video where they let the kid out of arm's reach before, whoever does that should not handle babies.

The only problem with normal safe baby swim where they make sure they can always reach the baby is that the chlorine significantly increases the risk of asthma.

Fat is lighter than water. Hence, the babies with more fat would float better than babies with less fat.

Floaty baby!

http://www.infantswim.com/home.html

I saw a video like a year ago, and it creeped me out, now there is a local teacher and on the local news there was a story last night.....OMG I thought I was going to die... a baby, a baby I know was thrown in the pool gasping for air, choking, flailing......not cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mUPr68x2U

^watch a video of it, and see if that doesn't freak you out.

What do you think about it?

Personally, I think it's pretty wrong, it seems traumatizing and dangerous. I would rather be more prudent in keeping my baby away from the fucking pool.

Wow, this is a good way to kill your baby and have it look like an accident.

"Well officer, we were teaching our seven month old baby how to float, and he kinda...well...didn't"

I suggest that any mother with Post Mortem Depression don't try to teach their kids to swim.

Wow, this is a good way to kill your baby and have it look like an accident.

"Well officer, we were teaching our seven month old baby how to float, and he kinda...well...didn't"

I suggest that any mother with Post Mortem Depression don't try to teach their kids to swim.

If I was postmortem I would be depressed too!

If I was postmortem I would be depressed too!

I totally corrected that in my mind when I read it and didn't notice.

If I was postmortem I would be depressed too!

ROFLMAO!!!

If I was postmortem I would be depressed too!

Postpartum Depression is what I meant. >.> <.<

If I was postmortem I would be depressed too!

ROFLMAO!!!

It´s post-partum, Wil.

If I was postmortem I would be depressed too!

Undead doesnt mean Un-Person!
You vitalist! Disgusting! Youre just a sick, anti-dead-rights, vitalist, gravedigger!

Postpartum Depression is what I meant. >.> <.<
I know, but you made me smile, and I was having a very confusing day so I had to comment.

I know, but you made me smile, and I was having a very confusing day so I had to comment.

At least it wasn't a confusing week. hehe

Have a slice of Cheesecake.

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Undead doesnt mean Un-Person!
You vitalist! Disgusting! Youre just a sick, anti-dead-rights, vitalist, gravedigger!
Of course not since undead = not dead = living. It's the unliving = dead that are coldhearted, mindless, lazy, dirty, smelly trash.

IIRC the Dutch teach their babies to swim before they can walk which I guess is kind of necessary if your entire nation can be under water any minuet, this however is weird. (especially as these babies may not be potty trained :eek:)

and whats with parents? if its a little shit when it can crawl you suddenly teach it to walk and now they want it to swim as well?!

I don't have sound(sound card self destructed) for the Utube Video. my understanding is this was a trained baby, and there was adult supervision the entire time in the section of the pool you can't see on the video.

my understanding is the parents exposes the kid to water letting him swim and when he starts to sink you roll the child over on his back so that he floats. do this a few times and the kid learns that when he is sinking to roll over on his back.


For those I watch my Kid 100% of time I call BS. Do you watch him while your asleep ??? I was able to get out of my crib by 1 years old and by 18 months I had figured out how to move the chair to the door undo the dead bolt and went exploring the neighborhood at 4 am(older neighbor that couldn't sleep grabbed me up and took me home). My son is also on the same learning curve, which is why i changed to a dead bolt that requires a key to unlock from the inside.

me either. I tend to keep an eye on my kids though, I don't know how a 6 month old could get out of the house and to the pool without me knowing, especially be screaming for 5 minutes while they float......when my kids were 6 months old, I didn't let them roam around alone.

Yeah, WTF was the parent doing while the kid was screaming for that long.

Yeah, WTF was the parent doing while the kid was screaming for that long.

Nailing the mailman? Maybe?

I remember seeing a special on the human body where they talked about infant's ability to swim. It's off the charts for some reason, probably because they had to live in an all liquid environment for such a long time (webbed feet/hands etc.) It goes away after a while, but this isn't as outrageous as it sounds.

Not good enough. If we want babies to be able to swim, we need to throw all the babies into pools and let natural selection do the rest.

...

But yeah, that's awful.

to improve the gene pool? :p

Seems like a wonderful way to safeguard your children from your own ineptitude. Next we should train the little tots to brain their moms and dads with their sippy cups when they drive and blab on their cell phones at the same time. Or maybe martial arts so they can defend themselves from strangers.

Infant Fu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxAirY-5QCQ)

Seems like a wonderful way to safeguard your children from your own ineptitude. Next we should train the little tots to brain their moms and dads with their sippy cups when they drive and blab on their cell phones at the same time. Or maybe martial arts so they can defend themselves from strangers.

Infant Fu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxAirY-5QCQ)

HEY! They were already sent here to replace us! Why speed up the process?!?

HEY! They were already sent here to replace us! Why speed up the process?!?

Because LG likes the shock factor of it all.

Undead doesnt mean Un-Person!
You vitalist! Disgusting! Youre just a sick, anti-dead-rights, vitalist, gravedigger!

Now, now, the proper term is "living impaired".

My aunt used to dunk my cousins under the water at a very young age. She'd start out covering their noses to get them used to the water and then would stop so that they'd learn to hold their breath.

My parents didn't put me in any kind of swim lessons until I was 5, IIRC. I still have to hold my nose unless I'm swimming forward. My cousins, on the other hand, are all pretty strong swimmers.

I think my aunt's way was better. As long as the kids are well-supervised in these lessons, I think they're a great idea.


Yeah, WTF was the parent doing while the kid was screaming for that long.

In this case? Standing at the other end of the pool while the filming was ongoing.

But I could see where this sort of thing could happen. 5 minutes isn't really that long a period of time. What if something happened to another child and the parent was trying to attend to them or something along those lines? Or had a sudden medical issue that incapacitated them?

Parents should certainly try to constantly supervise children that young, but I'm sure there are plenty of instances in which the child might be out of your sight for 5 minutes or so without a parent doing anything wrong.

Now, now, the proper term is "living impaired".

Exactly. There's no need to be insensitive!!!!

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I saw a video like a year ago, and it creeped me out, now there is a local teacher and on the local news there was a story last night.....OMG I thought I was going to die... a baby, a baby I know was thrown in the pool gasping for air, choking, flailing......not cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0mUPr68x2U

^watch a video of it, and see if that doesn't freak you out.

What do you think about it?

Personally, I think it's pretty wrong, it seems traumatizing and dangerous. I would rather be more prudent in keeping my baby away from the fucking pool.

How is it wrong?

Babies can instinctually swim/float for 30 seconds to a minute. It seems like the people in the vids you posted taught them how to float for longer.

Seems like a god idea to me...less drowned babies...

Now, now, the proper term is "living impaired".

Totally sigging this, if I can fit it.

That is fucking wrong. So wrong, and the poor kid screaming and crying and yelling for mom. It broke my heart.

It was the happiest baby in the world once it got picked up.

Though I can't say my reaction would have been much different after a near death experience.(well, sort of, since they were obviously watching the child and he/she was taught to do that)

the video is a little creepy

but if you have a swimming pool you need to teach your child to swim as soon as they are old enough to get to the pool on their own. even the most careful parent can be distracted long enough for a mobile child to end up in the pool.

Can't watch the vids as I'm at work, but one of my aunts took her baby to swimming classes when she (the baby) was only a couple of weeks old. She said she's rather teach her straight away than having to fish her little drowned corpse out of their pool at some point.
I can't say I've seen the lessons, but my cousin grew into a child that simply loved water. She swam like a fish... literally. Cause nobody ever taught her breast-stroke and all that. ;)

That was me. I knew how to swim before I could walk. When I finally did take lessons so I could learn to swim faster, I had a really hard time changing the way I swam. I did show the instructor that my way was stronger and more natural, when he claimed otherwise, by showing him he couldn't keep me underwater despite being MUCH larger than me and a swim instructor. We tend very naturally to a very reliable and strong stroke, much like you don't have to be shown how to walk properly (usually), but sometimes you can be taught certain things that will make you run faster.

It was the happiest baby in the world once it got picked up.

Though I can't say my reaction would have been much different after a near death experience.(well, sort of, since they were obviously watching the child and he/she was taught to do that)

I still saw it as being very wrong. I know kids need to be taught how to swim in views of a possible accident involving water and what not but, come on. This was a 6 month old baby. It´s just wrong. Plus, parents won´t always be there to watch after you on a pool. I don´t want to even imagine what would´ve happened to that poor toddler in a real life scenario where daddy wasn´t present.

I still saw it as being very wrong. I know kids need to be taught how to swim in views of a possible accident involving water and what not but, come on. This was a 6 month old baby. It´s just wrong. Plus, parents won´t always be there to watch after you on a pool. I don´t want to even imagine what would´ve happened to that poor toddler in a real life scenario where daddy wasn´t present.

If daddy wasn't present, the baby would have continued to float until someone found it. If you are worried about an infant that can float in a real life scenario where daddy wasn't present, then how much more should you be worried about an infant that can't float?

Obviously an infant can not float indefinitely, but he could last longer than one who couldn't. Those minutes spent floating could be the difference between life and death. This could save countless lives.

Teaching the kid how to do this doesn't have to be cruel. The video was merely a demonstration of a skill already learned. It can't really be used as a criticism of the skill in itself.

Notably, the baby didn't seem to be noticeably upset at the end of the ordeal. Indeed, most babies who are introduced early to water tend to enjoy it much more than their non-inducted peers.

basically the reason people seem up set about this is because they filmed the kid crying for 5 minutes.
would the same people reject the Ferber method? aka let a kid cry it out so he learns to sleep through the night.
Kids also cry up a storm when you give them a bath should you arrest parents for child abuse, every time they give their kid a bath ?? i mean I am sorry babies cry it does not always mean something is wrong. The person who filmed this was there to save his kids life if needed, the Idea is that hey since I own a pool maybe in the rare event that my safety systems to keep my kid out of the pool fail he might live long enough for me to see/hear him/her and save his/her life.

I don't get all the hubbub.

Babies don't drown when thrown into water - Not drowning is a natural reflex for every human being. :cool:

I don't see any problem as long as the water isn't too cold.

Babies don't drown when thrown into water - Not drowning is a natural reflex for every human being. :cool:

Source? Though infants do have some reflexes pertaining to water, I highly doubt there's a "not drowning" reflex. Otherwise, why do we have so many kids drowning in bathtub and swimming pool accidents?

Source? Though infants do have some reflexes pertaining to water, I highly doubt there's a "not drowning" reflex. Otherwise, why do we have so many kids drowning in bathtub and swimming pool accidents?

Post-partum depression. :D

basically the reason people seem up set about this is because they filmed the kid crying for 5 minutes.
would the same people reject the Ferber method? aka let a kid cry it out so he learns to sleep through the night.
Kids also cry up a storm when you give them a bath should you arrest parents for child abuse, every time they give their kid a bath ?? i mean I am sorry babies cry it does not always mean something is wrong. The person who filmed this was there to save his kids life if needed, the Idea is that hey since I own a pool maybe in the rare event that my safety systems to keep my kid out of the pool fail he might live long enough for me to see/hear him/her and save his/her life.


if you filmed your kid crying in his crib for 5+ minutes it would also be rather creepy.

If daddy wasn't present, the baby would have continued to float until someone found it. If you are worried about an infant that can float in a real life scenario where daddy wasn't present, then how much more should you be worried about an infant that can't float?

Obviously an infant can not float indefinitely, but he could last longer than one who couldn't. Those minutes spent floating could be the difference between life and death. This could save countless lives.

Teaching the kid how to do this doesn't have to be cruel. The video was merely a demonstration of a skill already learned. It can't really be used as a criticism of the skill in itself.

Notably, the baby didn't seem to be noticeably upset at the end of the ordeal. Indeed, most babies who are introduced early to water tend to enjoy it much more than their non-inducted peers.

It´s not the swimming aspect. It´s that it was rather cruel to film the baby floating on the pool, crying, for 5 minutes.

It´s not the swimming aspect. It´s that it was rather cruel to film the baby floating on the pool, crying, for 5 minutes.
Why? Was the baby upset so much? Was the baby in real danger? Saying it's wrong "just because it's wrong" isn't really a proper argument now is it ;)
The only thing I wonder, is how you teach 6 month old baby's this, how they remember this.

Lol wut! That's funny. After they drown you cut them open to see what they're made of. I've been told that baby blood is pink. Fun times.

I think the video was a clear example of what can happen. Yes, we all look after our kids and we think that it would NEVER happen to us but the truth is.. it does happen. kids who dont know how to swim just sink.. i would rather find my baby floating like this one in the video rather than lying on the bottom because i never taught them how to swim..

That did look creepy.

I still can't swim. :eek:

But I can float. And sort of doggy-paddle.

I totally thought that would be creepy so I waited to get home to watch it. Meh. That kid wasn't traumatized. It wasn't screaming bloody murder. Parents ignore that kind of crying all the time if the child needs to learn something. The child was safe and, because it's been trained properly, is less likely to be a statistic.

A child drown in my above ground pool when I was just a toddler. I don't remember it well, but I can still remember those parents and they're reaction. I remember her name. Taya (incidentally, and tragically, my sister named her daughter after Taya. My sister's daughter died at three weeks old). The child in that video didn't seem terrified, but I'm certain Taya was. If this saves children, I'm all for it.

There is little difference between this and the Ferber method as mentioned earlier.

And to the "not drowning" reflex. You are born with the ability to swim, but infants tend to forget it. I've essentially known how to swim always and was swimming unassisted before I could actually balance to walk. The reason children drown is because they forget how to swim if they don't continue to do it.

basically the reason people seem up set about this is because they filmed the kid crying for 5 minutes.
would the same people reject the Ferber method? aka let a kid cry it out so he learns to sleep through the night.
Kids also cry up a storm when you give them a bath should you arrest parents for child abuse, every time they give their kid a bath ?? i mean I am sorry babies cry it does not always mean something is wrong. The person who filmed this was there to save his kids life if needed, the Idea is that hey since I own a pool maybe in the rare event that my safety systems to keep my kid out of the pool fail he might live long enough for me to see/hear him/her and save his/her life.

I'm more upset that someone would subject their child to the lessons, I watched on the other day... they kid was put in the water and left to sink, gasp, swallow water, then after they were freaked out the "teacher" lifted them up, then they let the child sink again, gasping for air flailing about, then they lifted the baby up again, then they let it sink again.........it seemed very waterboardy to me.