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An Illinois Congressional candidate attended a celebration of Hitlers birthday put on by the National Socialist Workers Party, complete with swastikas. He then proceeded to claim the he had no idea what, exactly, he was celebrating. There's pictures, too.

Link (http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=12532)

Between this and the Olympic Torch sign, I weep for the state of America.

EDIT: The above article cited a website that has a partial transcript, but I am NOT posting a Link to it, it's white supremacy at it's nastiest. Yech.

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People have a right to attend whatever damn function they like. If you don't agree with it, then you have a right to not attend it...

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People have a right to attend whatever damn function they like. If you don't agree with it, then you have a right to not attend it...

And yet, he's trying to convince people that they should vote for him. He's a candidate for an elected position who made a really, really dumb campaign stop. And that doesn't excuse his colossal ignorance of the history of the Nazi party and symbolism.

An Illinois Congressional candidate attended a celebration of Hitlers birthday put on by the National Socialist Workers Party, complete with swastikas. He then proceeded to claim the he had no idea what, exactly, he was celebrating. There's pictures, too.

Link (http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=12532)

Between this and the Olympic Torch sign, I weep for the state of America.

EDIT: The above article cited a website that has a partial transcript, but I am NOT posting a ink to it, it's white supremacy at it's nastiest. Yech.

The Nazis are coming to town! Oh well. I might as well sing a song:

Hitler has only got one ball
Göring's are oh so very small
Himmler's are somewhat similar
And poor old Göbbels has no balls at all

I hate Illinois Nazis.

God damn Illinois Nazis...

I hate Illinois Nazis.

Are they worse than Nazis in other states?

Oya, they make the Ohio Nazis look like the Oregon Nazis.

And, I have to say it (You know you were waiting for somebody to say it): "You got my cheez whiz, boy?"

An Illinois Congressional candidate attended a celebration of Hitlers birthday put on by the National Socialist Workers Party, complete with swastikas. He then proceeded to claim the he had no idea what, exactly, he was celebrating. There's pictures, too.

Link (http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=12532)

Between this and the Olympic Torch sign, I weep for the state of America.

EDIT: The above article cited a website that has a partial transcript, but I am NOT posting a Link to it, it's white supremacy at it's nastiest. Yech.

http://www.8notes.com/wiki/images/300px-BluesBrothers.jpg

"Illinois Nazis!"
"I HATE Illinois Nazis!"

And yet, he's trying to convince people that they should vote for him. He's a candidate for an elected position who made a really, really dumb campaign stop. And that doesn't excuse his colossal ignorance of the history of the Nazi party and symbolism.

It might seem like a dumb campaign stop to you, but I'm sure there are people who it would appeal to.

How did you get the idea he was ignorant? From my point of view, there is a limit to the length of time which we can continue to persecute people for an incident. The modern day Nazis were not the people that killed jews, rather they are two generations later. I'd be fairly convinced that they don't intend to kill any jews.

So, how do you expect a candidate to go and find out what people want from their member if he is not allowed to see them? Should he also avoid seeing anyone from southern states because the Southern states condoned slavery however many years ago?

So, to make that a bit clearer if it didn't come out right:
1. The modern day nazis probably do not intend to kill any jews. I also doubt that any of the current members have ever killed a jew.
2. The candidate was probably just finding out what different subsections of society want from him should he be succesful in winning the position.
3. If you are getting angry at him for visiting one group that has a history of been involved in serious depravation of liberty and mass murder, you are going to have to get angry at him for visiting anyone in modern day America. (for slavery etc...)

So, to make that a bit clearer if it didn't come out right:
1. The modern day nazis probably do not intend to kill any jews. I also doubt that any of the current members have ever killed a jew.
2. The candidate was probably just finding out what different subsections of society want from him should he be succesful in winning the position.
3. If you are getting angry at him for visiting one group that has a history of been involved in serious depravation of liberty and mass murder, you are going to have to get angry at him for visiting anyone in modern day America. (for slavery etc...)

Okay, dude(ette), you need to take a deep breath and read what I posted again. I said NOTHING about killing jews. I said that this guy is an ignorant dumbfuck who doesn't know that National Socialist Workers Party = Nazi. Not to mention that the modern American Nazi party is made up of a bunch of white supremacists. But that's okay with you?

And I'm not angry, just disappointed that this moron can't figure out what the fuck a swastika means.

*snip OP*

EDIT: The above article cited a website that has a partial transcript, but I am NOT posting a Link to it, it's white supremacy at it's nastiest. Yech.

Kudos for that. Whackos tend to take any hit on their website as One More Supporter.

Kudos for that. Whackos tend to take any hit on their website as One More Supporter.

What's sad is that it took me a few seconds to realize what it is. Then I read the recent items on the side of the page and almost threw up. I hate people like that. And Illinois Nazis (took me even longer to get the joke...)

How did you get the idea he was ignorant?

Possibly due to him not knowing who the nazis were ?

From my point of view, there is a limit to the length of time which we can continue to persecute people for an incident. The modern day Nazis were not the people that killed jews, rather they are two generations later. I'd be fairly convinced that they don't intend to kill any jews.

They just celebrate the birthday of the man that did, sit under a huge portrait of him, wearing the clothes of the murderers, their insignia and uttering the rhetoric.
They might not wish to kill any Jews (or gays, gypsies and so on...) themselves, but they definitely glorify the actual killers.

You know, if more politicians did stuff like this, primary season would be a lot shorter. :D

Swastikas have been important religious symbols in Asia and among the Native Americans since long before Germany was a unified nation. Even today, Japanese maps will use swastikas (turned differently, but still swastikas) to indicate Buddhist temples.

The problem is that Hitler and the Nazis co-opted the swastika as their symbol, and as a result, it is seen by Western eyes as a symbol of hate and genocide.

And yes, Zirkle is a freaking idiot. I mean, come on, no one except no one is that dense.

To be honest, I didn't actually read the article until this point so:

Okay, dude(ette), you need to take a deep breath and read what I posted again. I said NOTHING about killing jews.The article did I said that this guy is an ignorant dumbfuck who doesn't know that National Socialist Workers Party = Nazi. Not to mention that the modern American Nazi party is made up of a bunch of white supremacists. But that's okay with you?
Don't try and take my comments out of context and twist the words.

I have never had any contact with any practicing american nazis... for that matter any practicing nazis at all... So, I plead ignorance on that fact... I do not agree with it, but people are allowed their opinions.

My point still stands though, that his presence at this event should not be taken to mean he hates [insert group here]. He is a politician, and politicians will kiss any ass for another vote. Everyone in society matters, and it is important that everyone has input into their country - Regardless of how predjudiced we may think their viewpoints.

EDIT: I gotta stop playing devils advocate on these forums...

It might seem like a dumb campaign stop to you, but I'm sure there are people who it would appeal to.

A very narrow slice, yes.

How did you get the idea he was ignorant?

Hmmm...

ig·no·rant /ˈɪgnərənt/
–adjective
1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant

When asked if he was a Nazi or sympathized with Nazis or white supremacists, Zirkle replied he didn't know enough about the group to either favor it or oppose it.

That sounds to me rather like the very definition of the word. If someone in this day and age does not know

From my point of view, there is a limit to the length of time which we can continue to persecute people for an incident. The modern day Nazis were not the people that killed jews, rather they are two generations later. I'd be fairly convinced that they don't intend to kill any jews.

So, how do you expect a candidate to go and find out what people want from their member if he is not allowed to see them? Should he also avoid seeing anyone from southern states because the Southern states condoned slavery however many years ago?

So, to make that a bit clearer if it didn't come out right:
1. The modern day nazis probably do not intend to kill any jews. I also doubt that any of the current members have ever killed a jew.
2. The candidate was probably just finding out what different subsections of society want from him should he be succesful in winning the position.
3. If you are getting angry at him for visiting one group that has a history of been involved in serious depravation of liberty and mass murder, you are going to have to get angry at him for visiting anyone in modern day America. (for slavery etc...)

LOL - did you even read the article?

BTW, here're some of the ANSWP's replies to the story:
http://12.107.40.66/lsn/news.asp?articleID=10696
http://12.107.40.66/lsn/news.asp?articleID=10703

I really shouldn't joke about it. I can't help myself.

He also told WIMS radio in Michigan City that he didn't believe the event he attended included people necessarily of the Nazi mindset, pointing out the name isn't Nazi, but Nationalist Socialist Workers Party.

Now, the punchline. This picture from the article:

http://thenewsdispatch.com/SiteImages/Article/12532a.jpg

Have I had too much coffee, or is that just a gut-buster ?

The Nazis are coming to town! Oh well. I might as well sing a song:

Hitler has only got one ball
Göring's are oh so very small
Himmler's are somewhat similar
And poor old Göbbels has no balls at all

*grinning ear to ear*

I have to post this. Cannot......Stop...... Self.....

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh141/lordtothe/humor%20pics/scissorsbeatspaper.jpg

I think that is possibly the greatest picture I have ever seen.

[CENTER]Have I had too much coffee, or is that just a gut-buster ?

In a Sick, Sad World sort of way, yes it's funny. And sad. At the same time.

LOL - did you even read the article?


No, I really just wanted to say "Second post"... And accidentally gave the impression that I have a viewpoint on the issue :P

And yes, I am going to leave this argument now before my habit of clubbing baby seals is revealed...

*grinning ear to ear*

I have to post this. Cannot......Stop...... Self.....

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh141/lordtothe/humor%20pics/scissorsbeatspaper.jpg

Okay, that pic just made my night.

Okay, that pic just made my night.

Indeed.

Indeed.

Considering the week I've been having, that's quite an achievement. A ten-page paper I thought was due next Thursday turned out to be due tomorrow. With presentation. I hate public speaking. HATE IT!!! This will be fun!

On a side note, would "Illinois Nazis" be a good name for a rock band?

On a side note, would "Illinois Nazis" be a good name for a rock band?

It would work better if you were...

A) Norsk Arysk Blakk Metal (RAAAAH!)
B) Actually from Illinois.


I have B covered at least :p

It would work better if you were...

A) Norsk Arysk Blakk Metal (RAAAAH!)
B) Actually from Illinois.

I have B covered at least :p

I'd laugh if it was a group of Jewish kids from Skokie or something.

Considering the week I've been having, that's quite an achievement. A ten-page paper I thought was due next Thursday turned out to be due tomorrow. With presentation. I hate public speaking. HATE IT!!! This will be fun!

Just remember it could be worse. You could be standing up to make your presentation ... with a big portrait of Adolf Hitler and a Nazi flag hanging behind you.

(I add my applause for Scissors beats Rock, too. Good work that!)

Just remember it could be worse. You could be standing up to make your presentation ... with a big portrait of Adolph Hitler and a Nazi flag hanging behind you.

That actually helps. A little.

That a person that devoid of historical knowledge could run for an important political position saddens me greatly.

That a person that devoid of historical knowledge could run for an important political position saddens me greatly.

QFT. Q.F.T.

That a person that devoid of historical knowledge could run for an important political position saddens me greatly.

Oh shush. According to "no child left behind" the correct response is to not teach about nazi germany and the holocaust at all, so noone notices that this guy was not as good at learning as we obviously all are.

Noone must be left behind, so others must be held back.

Really surprised we haven't gotten to this yet... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMmcGOoVbE)

That a person that devoid of historical knowledge could run for an important political position saddens me greatly.

Not a bit! In fact, why shouldn't convicted criminals or agents of hostile powers run for office? Why should they be forbidden to?

It's not even remotely a problem unless they poll in double figures.

This guy also shredded a copy of Marilyn Monroe's Playboy issue (http://www.takingdownwords.com/taking_down_words/2006/04/tony_zirkle_no_.html).

And, tho I can't track down an non-pay source, evidently once advocated using the guillotine on pornographers and sex offenders.

Lovely guy.

Really surprised we haven't gotten to this yet... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMmcGOoVbE)

I was first (by a few seconds) on p. 1, just without the YouTube. Not that I didn't search, but there was nothing with the quote.

Not a bit! In fact, why shouldn't convicted criminals or agents of hostile powers run for office? Why should they be forbidden to?

It's not even remotely a problem unless they poll in double figures.

Note: sadden does not equate to disallow to run for office.

Not a bit! In fact, why shouldn't convicted criminals or agents of hostile powers run for office?

Because it's a hideously stupid idea?

lulz

oh well

Because it's a hideously stupid idea?

And the voters can't be trusted to see that for themselves ?