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Wales gets its first Communist councillor since 1970s

Forsakia
23-04-2008, 14:04
THE Soviet Union may have collapsed 17 years ago, but Wales has just elected its first Communist councillor for decades.

It may not rank alongside storming the Winter Palace in St Petersburg but gaining a foothold on Hirwaun and Penderyn Community Council is being hailed as a sign of things to come.

Clive Griffiths, 48, was first elected to the council in 1999 when he was a member of the Labour Party. Now, having defected to the Communist Party (CP) of Britain, he has been re-elected unopposed.

Yesterday Mr Griffiths was unveiled to the world as Wales’ first Communist elected to public office since the 1970s, when the party had two councillors in Pontypool.

The unveiling took place during a press conference – attended only by the Western Mail – at the Cayo Arms pub in Cardiff, named after another rebel, Cayo Evans of the Free Wales Army. Party general secretary Rob Griffiths (no relation) was not happy about Clive Griffiths being photographed beneath the pub sign depicting Mr Evans, because of the latter’s admiration for the Spanish dictator General Franco.

Asked how he would put Communist principles into practice on a body that has extremely limited powers, Clive Griffiths, who is also standing for election to Rhondda Cynon Taf Council, said: “There’s a very important local issue at the moment which is a very good example of why I left the Labour Party.

“In Hirwaun, there’s an old school building that the local NHS Trust would like to turn into a health centre. But the council, which owns the building, says it has to be sold to the highest bidder and wants to sell it to a property developer. I am sure a way could be found to get it converted into a health centre but it seems the council doesn’t want to know.”

Mr Griffiths, who has been a peace activist for many years, said he left Labour because of the decision to invade Iraq.

“It got to the point where I couldn’t square the circle and stay in New Labour any more,” he said. “I have quite a few friends in the Labour Party but it’s clear to me that the party has moved so far away from socialism that there is no point staying in if you are a socialist.

“The Communist Party reflects what I believe in and I feel comfortable in it.”

Rick Newnham, the CP’s Welsh secretary, told the press conference: “Unlike the other parties, we are prepared to talk about the issue that is the elephant in the siting room – the fact that our society is built on inequality and that a very small percentage of people own the vast majority of the wealth.”

Mr Newnham said that on a local government level, the CP stood against the privatisation of local services and wanted councils to be given back the right to build homes.

Rob Griffiths said: “It is outrageous that the UK Government was easily able to find £55bn to bail out Northern Rock when it got into financial difficulties, yet it says that a £1bn deficit in the NHS is completely unacceptable. And there is always money available for wars.”

Asked what the CP could achieve in Wales even if all its eight candidates at the May 1 elections won seats, Rob Griffiths said: “That would send out a powerful message that would be picked up loud and clear. More and more people are becoming disillusioned with the policies of the mainstream parties, all of which want to prop up the fundamentally unequal and unjust system of capitalism.

“We are offering an alternative which more and more people are turning to. Young people are our future. For the first time for many years, we have in Wales a Young Communist League that is campaigning for genuine socialism. We are on the way back.”

Challenging the system
Britain’s Communist Party was formed in 1920 after a convention held in London attended by delegates from the British Socialist Party, the Communist Unity Group of the Socialist Labour Party, the South Wales Socialist Society and other groups.

The following year, the party stood for Parliament for the first time at a by-election in Caerphilly following the death of Labour MP Alfred Onions. The Communist candidate, Bob Stewart, came third with 2,592 votes.

In 1924 Shapurji Saklatvala was elected the first Communist MP, in Battersea North, having previously been elected as a Labour MP when Communists were allowed to stand as Labour candidates.

Unlike in other Western European countries, notably France and Italy, Britain’s Communist Party has never enjoyed much electoral support.

The high point for the Communist Party in Wales came in 1946 when it fielded 35 candidates. Would-be councillors stood for Glamorgan and Monmouthshire County Councils in a range of seats including Rhondda, Ogmore, Bridgend, Merthyr Tydfil, Neath, Pontardawe, Cwmbran, Pontypool and Aberdare. In 2004 the party fielded six candidates in the last council elections in Wales, getting its highest percentage vote (21.6%) in Shotton, Flintshire. It hosted a “Communist University” in Pontypridd.


link (http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/politics-news/2008/04/15/wales-gets-its-first-communist-councillor-since-1970s-91466-20764172/)

Thoughts anyone?

I'm reasonably pleased by it (though it's a shame it was unopposed) it's a seat away from Labour, he won't be able to do much, and it could be fun.
Philosopy
23-04-2008, 14:14
Wales half a century behind the rest of the world?

Never!
Pure Metal
23-04-2008, 14:16
Wales has already made NHS prescriptions free, unlike England (though i think Scotland is catching up)... Wales has always been more to the left than the rest of the UK in a lot of ways. shame its such a shitty place :p (i lived in Cardiff for two years and ended up severely depressed)


though this sounds good. from the article it looks as though i support most, if not all, of this man's viewpoints (NHS health centre, against the privatisation of local services, councils' right to build homes). though of course i don't know about the rest of his policies, but a move towards the left is great. its the opposite to what's happened here where, in the last election, for the first time, this city came under Conservative control.

if there's a message that proper left wing parties are actually being elected, maybe more people will vote for them rather than (like me) feeling like they have to choose between Labour or the Lib Dems
HotRodia
23-04-2008, 14:20
No fair. I want to get a Communist councilor in my town.

So what would I need to do to get a Communist councilor in my town? Lay out a red carpet? Ask a local Communist if he wants to play a practical joke on everyone? Do Communists take bribes as long as they can share them with everyone?
Call to power
23-04-2008, 14:25
a bigger story in this is Wales suddenly becoming pacifist, where are we going to get all our troops from now?

“We are offering an alternative which more and more people are turning to. Young people are our future. For the first time for many years, we have in Wales a Young Communist League that is campaigning for genuine socialism. We are on the way back.”

he almost sounds serious (also I'm opposed to political movements targeting the young and Welsh)
Ariddia
23-04-2008, 18:50
No fair. I want to get a Communist councilor in my town.


Move to France. We have whole towns run by Communists. Communist mayors. Communist Members of Parliament, too.

Fewer and fewer of them, alas...
Galloism
23-04-2008, 18:56
No fair. I want to get a Communist councilor in my town.

So what would I need to do to get a Communist councilor in my town? Lay out a red carpet? Ask a local Communist if he wants to play a practical joke on everyone? Do Communists take bribes as long as they can share them with everyone?

That question is awesome on every single level.
Londim
23-04-2008, 18:58
So Wales is the new Red Threat is it.....Time to put Wales back in place I feel...:p
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 19:47
yay, go Wales!
I wouldn't support a communist government but it's always useful to have that particular kind of opinion expressed.
I wonder how many communist MPs are in the House of Commons.
Londim
23-04-2008, 19:49
yay, go Wales!
I wouldn't support a communist government but it's always useful to have that particular kind of opinion expressed.
I wonder how many communist MPs are in the House of Commons.

None.
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 19:53
None.
That's where they're going wrong then. that and the whole apathy thing, kinda sucks.
Ariddia
23-04-2008, 19:55
I wonder how many communist MPs are in the House of Commons.

The British electoral system is designed to keep small parties out: single round, first past the post.

But even if there were proportional representation, the Communist Party of Britain is tiny. It stood in only six constituences in the last election, and obtained an average of 0,5% of the vote there. And this is the largest communist party in Britain.
Yootopia
23-04-2008, 19:57
Yaki Da!

Anyway, aye, this changes rien, all things considered. Nix. Whatever.
Inyou
23-04-2008, 20:01
More reasons to move to Wales for me! =D
Yootopia
23-04-2008, 20:16
More reasons to move to Wales for me! =D
It'll be in one of those complete shithole villages where nobody's had a job for 20 years tbqh.
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 20:20
It'll be in one of those complete shithole villages where nobody's had a job for 20 years tbqh.

4,000 people. wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirwaun) it used to be an ironworks town.
so you're right it's a village, i'd hesitate before calling it a shithole though, unless of course you've been there.
Ultraviolent Radiation
23-04-2008, 20:35
Remind me what benefit Wales brings to Britain again?
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 20:44
Remind me what benefit Wales brings to Britain again?

mountains and pretty pictures for tourism.
About 80% of the land surface of Wales is given over to agricultural use. However, very little of this is arable land; the vast majority consists of permanent grass pasture or rough grazing for herd animals such as sheep and cows. Although both beef and dairy cattle are raised widely, especially in Carmarthenshire and Pembrokeshire, Wales is more well-known for its sheep farming, and thus lamb is the meat traditionally associated with Welsh cooking.
wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales)
Yootopia
23-04-2008, 20:47
Remind me what benefit Wales brings to Britain again?
Keeps the Welsh to themselves.
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 20:50
Keeps the Welsh to themselves.

and what's wrong with them exactly?
Yootopia
23-04-2008, 20:52
4,000 people. wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirwaun) it used to be an ironworks town.
so you're right it's a village, i'd hesitate before calling it a shithole though, unless of course you've been there.
Looks like a commuter town, just without any jobs in the surrounding hundred miles.
Yootopia
23-04-2008, 20:56
and what's wrong with them exactly?
Nothing much in particular, just that Welsh jokes are a cheap source of humour and I'm feeling a bit bored.
The blessed Chris
23-04-2008, 21:02
Remind me what benefit Wales brings to Britain again?

A false sense of English superiority?
Andaluciae
23-04-2008, 21:06
Not to be impolite, but, so what? He's an incumbent, who was elected as a member of another party, against whom no one clearly feels arsed to run. It's not that big of a deal.
Andaluciae
23-04-2008, 21:07
wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales)

Sheep are traditionally associate with something besides cooking in Wales as well ;)
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 21:08
Not to be impolite, but, so what? He's an incumbent, who was elected as a member of another party, against whom no one clearly feels arsed to run. It's not that big of a deal.

It's an excuse to talk about Wales. do keep up.;)
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 21:09
Sheep are traditionally associate with something besides cooking in Wales as well ;)

:eek:
you mean sheep rustling? you think they're still about?
Skalvia
23-04-2008, 21:09
Wales must take its political positions straight from NS Forums, lol...
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 21:12
Wales must take its political positions straight from NS Forums, lol...

about time someone did!
Andaluciae
23-04-2008, 21:14
:eek:
you mean sheep rustling? you think they're still about?

Yes, yes, exactly!
Mad hatters in jeans
23-04-2008, 21:16
Yes, yes, exactly!

I hear there's good trade in the sheep business, if you know any of these sheep rustlers just tell them to have a word with me, i'll set them straight.
yes.straight to a padded cell haha!
ain't no sheep rustler making a fool outta me.
Forsakia
23-04-2008, 22:40
Remind me what benefit Wales brings to Britain again?

Tourism, Lamb, Caerphilly Cheese. But most importantly, shitloads of water. A lot of the Midlands etc pipes its water from Wales


you mean sheep rustling? you think they're still about?
That's one euphemism for it ;)

Looks like a commuter town, just without any jobs in the surrounding hundred miles.

It's an old heavy industry town, as many villages in that part of the Welsh valleys are. Since the mines and the ironworks etc that went with them have closed things have been pretty bad economy wise up there generally.


Not to be impolite, but, so what? He's an incumbent, who was elected as a member of another party, against whom no one clearly feels arsed to run. It's not that big of a deal.
Some interest. I'm trying to remember how soon before the nominations closed he defected, I have a feeling it might've been quite sudden.

If anyone happens to be interested in local welsh politics, the Tories have apparently committed a little electoral fraud in swansea, should come out in the next week or so.
The South Islands
23-04-2008, 22:47
OMG DOMINO EFFECT

We must invade Wales immediately.