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Please don't turn this into another Atheism Vs. Theism debate. What do you think you have to do to get to heaven? And yes, I will post an atheist option in the poll. Discuss please.

I think if blind submission is what it takes to get into Heaven then Heaven should rightfully called a concentration camp, a place where this omniscience entity constantly watches his subjects under surveillance and you are doomed to an eternity of praising this God which you did not elect and has absolute despotic power.

Practice.

Death.

Distract st. peter at the gates with 72 virgins and sneak in.


God won't know as s/he will be to busy making sure her/is son does not screw up his 2nd job so bad they kill him....

Give St. Peter a bottle of Jack Daniel's.

you make it yourself. or not, as the case may be.

How do you think you get to heaven?
Well, I imagine dying would be the first step.
Please don't turn this into another Atheism Vs. Creationism debate.
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What do you think you have to do to get to heaven? And yes, I will post an atheist option in the poll. Discuss please.
My opinion, assuming of course that there even is a heaven, is that if you live your life trying to follow the teachings of Jesus then you will get into heaven.

But then, I don't believe in the concept of heaven and hell, so...

I feel that one's afterlife is decided by deed and not by birthright or by arbitrary membership: Those who feel that they are somehow "elect" or that anyone who disagrees with them or follows another path is damned to hell are right up there on my shitlist.

It's all karma to me: A kind, honest, loyal, humble, diligent, decent human being, who does it for the sake of just being a good person has more of a place in heaven than any theist who feels that Heaven is his or hers by right.

You must repent of your sins, believe in Jesus Christ and trust in Him alone for your salvation.

Then you are taken to heaven. You don't "get" there.

EDIT: I was being careless. You are only allowed into heaven because you are forgiven because Christ paid the penalty for sin. When you believe, repent and trust in Him alone, you are forgiven your sins and Christ's righteousness is counted as yours. When all this happens, you are taken to heaven spiritually at death and bodily at the last judgement.

I've heard that not only can you not roller skate in a buffalo herd, but you also can't get to heaven on roller skates, because in fact you will roll right past the pearly gates.

hush and I will show you ;)

Heaven should rightfully called a concentration camp

you get to have sex all day and there is Mothra-fucking Gi-raffes (indicated by the fact that this is paradise), if it is a concentration camp I want my hot blond SS guard after lunch if thats okay

Other: You have to be forgiven.

Close to the "You have to believe that Jesus paid the price for your sins." except you can seek peace with your conscience even if you don't understand that it is thanks to Jesus and not thanks to your own achievements that you are forgiven and get to heaven.

I don't accept any claim to authority or moral judgment based on abstract metapsychical garbage, because inevitably that authority will be used by a very earthly person with a very earthly agenda.

you make it yourself. or not, as the case may be.

/agree! Here's a zen story to illustrate the point:
The Gates of Paradise

A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin, and asked: "Is there really a paradise and a hell?"

"Who are you?" inquired Hakuin.

"I am a samurai," the warrior replied.

"You, a soldier!" exclaimed Hakuin. "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? Your face looks like that of a beggar."

Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword, but Hakuin continued: "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head."

As Nobushige drew his sword Hakuin remarked: "Here open the gates of hell!"

At these words the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, sheathed his sword and bowed.

"Here open the gates of paradise," said Hakuin.

What do you think you have to do to get to heaven?

I suspect that the process to get to heaven involves a series of strategically placed jockstraps and a cannon. *nod*

My Cynical Brain wishes to say "Give all of your Earthly Possessions to the Evangelical Church"...

But, my Spiritual Heart is dying to say "Be a Generally Good Person"...

So i chose Other, lol...

I suspect that the process to get to heaven involves a series of strategically placed jockstraps and a cannon. *nod*

Hmm......


...ok, we need vic-err-I mean volunteers for a little experiment. It may or may not have something to do with jock straps and a cannon, and equally may or may not get you killed. But remember, it's for science!

I'm a little disappointed that there isn't a "universalist" option. An "everybody wins!" type option. Apokatastasis, and whatnot.

i dont know how god chooses his companions in heaven but no one goes to hell.

so if he decides that im not heaven material, ill never know it. the wages of sin are death.

Practice.

Best Answer EVER! lol...

By falling down the Rabbit´s Hole. I did, I found Wonderland and I couldn´t be happier.

By falling down the Rabbit´s Hole. I did, I found Wonderland and I couldn´t be happier.
Follow the white rabbit Neo... :p

I think you just have to be a good person in your heart, and want the best for everyone without being judgemental of everyone else and how they lead their lives, and if you fuck up you should be okay as long as you are truly sorry for it and try to be better -after all God made the platypus, right?

That is if I were to steer my hazy beliefs into an almost Christian, Heaven directed manner.

Follow the white rabbit Neo... :p

Man since i Got here...all I can think of is ONE thing...Why oh Why didnt i Take the BLUE PILL...

Man since i Got here...all I can think of is ONE thing...Why oh Why didnt i Take the BLUE PILL...

I took the green one, man. I took it and I´ve seen some things. I kid you not, I´ve seen some things...:eek:

I took the green one, man. I took it and I´ve seen some things. I kid you not, I´ve seen some things...:eek:

I tried that one, and all i can see is Unintelligible Characters raining down my Screen, lol :p

I tried that one, and all i can see is Unintelligible Characters raining down my Screen, lol :p

:D

Dude, the Matrix.

I think everyone can enter a peaceful, renewed, conscious heaven when they pass from their current lives. I think some who leave the world with hate will create a hell for themselves, but they can pull themselves out of hell by abandoning their hate. The view is somewhat Christian centered, because I do acknowledge Jesus, but I believe that we are all part of the same divine God and can one day return to it.

Universalism was actually quite common in early age Christianity. I also put a lot of value in Gnostic Christianity, which I think has a good way of explaining the nature of things.

i dont think it's to do with your religion. if your a good person, u know do good deed's- help to inprove the lifes of others.

follow the actions that religions want- sacrifice your needs for others, love one another, treat peolpe like peolpe, and all the stuff that is suposed to be done naturaly in any good socity then you are following Gods path even if you have a diffrnt name for it.

its not about belif- you can be raised to think- look after your self first, but if you are living on the street keeping your self alive then you share you cold can of beans with som1 else just becuz you have a need not to be alone, then your loving your nabour.

your religion isnt wat matters- muslims teach respect for other,christians help one another- your both doing what is right for the sake of doing what is right.

even the poor old athists have a good chance- a athist can see a CAFOD advert or red nose day show and think "thats not right,genetily their the same as me, and science proves your suposed to help your speices survive, their for i must encoage others to help the poor and to develop africa"

that athist is doing gods will and dosnt know it, he can work as a misonairy catch a plage, die, go to the gates of heaven and stare in dis-belife all he wants he he has still made it.

heaven is for all who seek meaning in life not a exclucive club for the rich and powerful.

Avoid any heinous sins. If you commit any heinous sins, repent.

We will never find a conclusive answer to this question in our lifetime, so I think that it's not worth worrying about.

In short, I'd say that a good rule would be to try not to be a dick to other people. That way, even if it doesn't get you into heaven, at least you won't spoil the fun for everyone else. Faith in Jesus and/or God doesn't hurt either.

I'm a fairly religious Christian, by the way.

I understand heaven accepts either Visa or Mastercard these days.

If the Vatican's in banking, so is God.

I understand heaven accepts either Visa or Mastercard these days.

If the Vatican's in banking, so is God.

Don't worry, after the Revolution God's bank account will be frozen and it's funds expropriated.

Don't worry, after the Revolution God's bank account will be frozen and it's funds expropriated.

And then God will commit atrocious Crimes against his own people, be broken up, and redistributed among the remaining Gods...

Take a right off of Exit 6 on Route 95. Can't miss it.

honestly be able to love yourself after all the screwed up stuff you did here on earth.

And then God will commit atrocious Crimes against his own people, be broken up, and redistributed among the remaining Gods...

Is God a Commie?:eek:
LOL!

We will only know how to get to heaven after we get there!

Is God a Commie?:eek:
LOL!

To Communists he is...My God is a Stoner, lol ;)

I think if blind submission is what it takes to get into Heaven then Heaven should rightfully called a concentration camp, a place where this omniscience entity constantly watches his subjects under surveillance and you are doomed to an eternity of praising this God which you did not elect and has absolute despotic power.

Once you get into heaven, can you be thrown out? :eek:

We will only know how to get to heaven after we get there!
And that's the thing isn't it, the human brain cannot comprehend a world without their own consciousness in it, so religion is a natural response to this human fallibility.

To Communists he is...My God is a Stoner, lol ;)

To me, He is the White Rabbit. True story too.

Please don't turn this into another Atheism Vs. Theism debate. What do you think you have to do to get to heaven? And yes, I will post an atheist option in the poll. Discuss please.

To late, you started a religious thread therefore it will, nay MUST, devolve into a Atheism vs. Theism debate. Also, aside from your one Atheist option, you failed to put up any non-Christian options. In many non-Abrahamic religions there isn't a heaven to go to, you either go somewhere else entirely or reincarnate.

I think if blind submission is what it takes to get into Heaven then Heaven should rightfully called a concentration camp, a place where this omniscience entity constantly watches his subjects under surveillance and you are doomed to an eternity of praising this God which you did not elect and has absolute despotic power.

I really hate it when I agree with someone widely regarded as more loony than myself.

Practice.

You're thinking of Carnegie Hall.

What, no drug/sex/hedonism option in the poll?

The supposedly "atheist" option is inadequate too. How am I supposed to reject the premise of the question without being insulting to believers?

I think it's time for a joke at Conserative Morality's expense. CM, something about your name really grates ...

Okay, hypothetically if I believed in Christianity, I think in order to "go to heaven" you don't just need to have faith: you need to live your life as a good person. This doesn't mean not having sex before your married, or not getting tattoos, or not drinking or smoking, or being a total goodie-goodie. This simply means that you should always to do good for people. You certainly shouldn't go to heaven if you're Christian but you kill/murder/steal/lie/hurt/rape or go into countries as a "missionary" and force your beliefs onto people in poverty instead of providing food and shelter. Religion, essentially, should be about being a good person. If you are a good person, you should go to heaven.

Please don't turn this into another Atheism Vs. Theism debate. What do you think you have to do to get to heaven? And yes, I will post an atheist option in the poll. Discuss please.

Nothing.

By making the world a better place to live in.

Now, I don't believe in a hell, merely that entry into what one might call "heaven" is delayed, pending service perhaps.

I believe God loves all, and, as such, all go to heaven.

Personally I feel it's more a case of what you don't do. Provided you havn't caused grief in your life I don't think your going to be punished harshly. By grief I don't mean stealing candy from the shop when you were 5 years old and feeling guilty about it. I think in terms of serious disruption to the order of things, more along the lines of Pol Pot/Stalin/Hitler/Jim Carrey.

the wages of sin are death.

But so is the salary of virtue, and sin has a better benefit package :D

How to go to heaven... I'd choose something that would allow to come safely back on Earth again.

I'd say my first choice would be Sukhoi or Eurofighter. Not likely, though, as I'm no military pilot, so Airbus, Boeing, Tupolev or Ilyushin.

I believe God loves all, and, as such, all go to heaven.

My father as well?
In that case, I'm most certainly staying out :p

By properly pleasing the deity-in-charge of bookings. Most religions have instructions on how to do this.

For example, I am working on plans for a huge 'taco-amid' for The Most Muddy Lunatic Goofballs. It won't be like the ancient egyptians pyramids, gigantic tombs for the pharoah. It'll just be for him to eat.



I might have a bit too.

I don't think I even believe in Happiness (as a single state without contrast to some other state of Unhappiness) so the concept of Perfect Happiness For Ever doesn't make any sense to me.

The "for ever" bit is so wrong it makes me quite suspicious. I get that feeling I'm being lied to.

I mean, if God was a drug-dealer and I was trying to buy a bag of Happiness off them, and they said "for just another twenty bucks you can have a bag of Happiness which will never run out" I would be just a bit o_0 ...

From reading the Bible and descriptions of Heaven, it seems that all you do is constantly praise 'the almighty' and sing to him non-stop, if anything the Christian heaven seems like a celestial fascist dictatorship to me...

heavin and hell are the same place and everyone goes there no matter what they do or don't. what its like for them, what they experience there, depends on their perspective and how they've made themselves to be.

interaction with a perfectly just, or even noncritical environment, but one which cannot be altered by arts of coerciveness to favor those who practice them and become skilled in doing so, as our world we mundanely live in here has been, is equally hell to fanatics of every stripe, while being heavin to everyone honest and intending no harm to anyone else. i mean intrinsically, without having to be two different "places" at all in order to do so!

this would COULD be that kind of a heavin too. we only need to stop coercing each other into trying to impress each other.

that's the message of every belief too. the one that religeous institution then try to obscure, for even THEIR own vested intrests. there is no fanatacism that is not a perversion of something.

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Do you take a left just after Tesco's?

Just be a good person, if you wordhip god just for the sake of getting into heavin thats selfish and not what its about.

Just be a good person, if you wordhip god just for the sake of getting into heavin thats selfish and not what its about.

Heh Wordhip God! Fantastic.

Heh Wordhip God! Fantastic.
Wordship The Gord! ;)
http://www.actsofgord.com/

My father as well?
In that case, I'm most certainly staying out :p

Yeah, think of the number of people you wouldn't spend an eternity with.
Eternity with Berlusconi, Stalin, Hitler, Bush, Oprah Winfrey, Ahmadinejad, Maggie Thatcher, Ratzinger... :p:p:p

if i were a god and wanted to be surrounded by fandroids, i'd never have given people brains. besides, little furry creatures are a lot prettier to look at.

but if i WERE a god, i'd realize being worshipped could get real tedius REAL fast.

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