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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7355446.stm

I don't have much strong feelings about this decision, except for the part about "punishing propaganda". Who are they to say what's terrorist propaganda and what's merely political dissent? I'm ashamed to say that the EU is becoming like the Bush administration.

I sort of agree with you, too many restrictions are a bad thing. But there needs to be some kind of protection. I support the EU in this case, they're finally maning up.

I'm not overly enthused; I'd sooner expend the energies, and funds, upon increasing the punishment for, and detection of, potential acts of terror. Like public execution.

But under pressure from Nordic countries and civil rights campaigners, ministers made clear that the new provisions may not be used to restrict freedom of expression.

It's good to see that at least some of our representatives are trying to do something good over there, or at least temper the evil of the EU.

Like public execution.

The death penalty is banned in the EU, and will be even more so with the coming communal accession to the ECHR by the EU through the Treaty of Lisbon. The death penalty is dead.

The death penalty is banned in the EU, and will be even more so with the coming communal accession to the ECHR by the EU through the Treaty of Lisbon. The death penalty is dead.

The Lisbon treaty is essentially the constitution in a more conciliatory frock, and the EU a vacuous, bureaucratic and spineless institution, truth be told. The only decent British Prime Minister of the last few decades did her utmost to deny it's circumscribing our autonomy, and should be thoroughly praised for it. She also, if memory serves, attempted to resurrect capital punishment.

anytime that europe follows the US lead it is a good thing end of story.

The Lisbon treaty is essentially the constitution in a more conciliatory frock, and the EU a vacuous, bureaucratic and spineless institution, truth be told.

None of that changes the facts - the death penalty is dead, and its demise one of the few things the EU can be praised for (with due respect to the Council of Europe).

She also, if memory serves, attempted to resurrect capital punishment.

She failed, if she did. Miserably. As was her habit.

I find that at times like this, it is always worthwhile to make a comprehensive list of threats.

So I like to post George Carlin's list of 'Things to Watch Out For'!

anal rape
quicksand
body lice
evil spirits
gridlock
acid rain
continental drift
labor violence
flash floods
rabies
torture
bad luck
calcium deficiency
falling rocks
cattle stampedes
bank failure
evil neighbors
killer bees
organ rejection
lynching
toxic waste
unstable dynamite
religious fanatics
prickly heat
price fixing
moral decay
hotel fires
loss of face
stink bombs
bubonic plague
neo-Nazis
friction
cereal weevils
failure of will
chain reactions
soil erosion
mail fraud
dry rot
voodoo curses
broken glass
snake bites
parasites
white slavery
public ridicule
faithless friends
random violence
breach of contract
family scandals
charlatans
transverse militias
structural defects
race riots
sun spots
rogue elephants
wax buildup
killer frost
jealous coworkers
root canals
mental fatigue
corporal punishment
sneak attacks
peer pressure
vigilantes
birth defects
false advertising
ungrateful children
financial ruin
mildew
loss of priveleges
bad drugs
ill-fitting shoes
widespread chaos
stray bullets
runaway trains
chemical spills
locusts
airline food
shipwrecks
prowlers
bathtub accidents
faulty merchandise
terrorism
discrimination
wrongful cremation
carbon deposits
beef tapeworms
taxation without representation
escaped maniacs
sunburn
abandonment
threatening letters
entropy
nine-mile fever
poor workmanship
absentee landlord
solitary confinement
depletion of the ozone layer
unworthiness
intestinal bleeding
defrocked priests
loss of equilibrium
disgruntled employees
global warming
card sharks
poisoned meat
nuclear accidents
broken promises
contamination of the water supply
obscene phone calls
nuclear winter
wayward girls
mutual assured destruction
rampaging moose
the greenhouse effect
cluster headaches
social isolation
Dutch elm disease
contraction of the universe
paper cuts
eternal damnation
the wrath of God


AND PARANOIA! :D

None of that changes the facts - the death penalty is dead, and its demise one of the few things the EU can be praised for (with due respect to the Council of Europe).



She failed, if she did. Miserably. As was her habit.

Thatcher succeeded; the unions were crushed, the Falklands retained, the economy restored, and old Labour destroyed. Indeed, only the vacillations of Major, and the despicable actions of messyrs Blair and Brown, have disabused us of the eurosceptic legacy she bequethed.

As for the first post, I don't care. The EU, lamentably, does exist. Lamentably, Britain is a member, and lamentably, I don't foresee us seceding soon. All of the above does not alter my loathing for it.

Thatcher succeeded

Keep dreaming, as you do about the death penalty. :)

Keep dreaming, as you do about the death penalty. :)

Carry on, please do. Of course, I shan't pay the slightest notice until you provide evidence that Thatcher failed to accomplish her objectives, or that much of Britain's prosperity is due to her.

Keep dreaming, as you do about the death penalty. :)

I dreamed about the death penalty once. I was walking down a long corridor when all of a sudden, I smelled bacon. I followed it to it's source and there was Michael Bolton in an electric chair twitching and singing 'When a Man Loves a Woman'. Well, I was horrified and fascinated at the same time because I knew this would be the last time I'd have to listen to this horrible horrible man. But he never stopped singing. He Never Stopped SInging!!! :eek:


I'm sorry. That dream still makes my flesh crawl. Carry on with the topic.

:(

I dreamed about the death penalty once
…
:(

LG, judging by your sig, you must think Fass is pretty damn comfortable.

I’m not overly enthused; I’d sooner expend the energies, and funds, upon increasing the punishment for, and detection of, potential acts of terror. Like public execution.
Because there’s nothing like barbaric and publicly visible punishments to deter people from thinking they have legitimate cause to attack a government...

Use yer heid for once.



Unless you’re trying to encourage violent opposition to states?

She also, if memory serves, attempted to resurrect capital punishment.
Which is one of a number of very good reasons for why she’s hated by a decent chunk of this country’s population.

I dreamed about the death penalty once. I was walking down a long corridor when all of a sudden, I smelled bacon. I followed it to it's source and there was Michael Bolton in an electric chair twitching and singing 'When a Man Loves a Woman'. Well, I was horrified and fascinated at the same time because I knew this would be the last time I'd have to listen to this horrible horrible man. But he never stopped singing. He Never Stopped SInging!!! :eek:

Too proud for cryin', didn't come here to break down... it's just a dream of mine is coming to an end. And how can I blame you, when I built my world around the hope that one day we'd be so much more than friends. I don't wanna know the price I'm gonna pay for dreaming, even now it's more than I can take...

Because there’s nothing like barbaric and publicly visible punishments to deter people from thinking they have legitimate cause to attack a government...

Use yer heid for once.



Unless you’re trying to encourage violent opposition to states?


Which is one of a number of very good reasons for why she’s hated by a decent chunk of this country’s population.

Actually, if somebody bothered to improve the security services, I'd have no objection to stoking the fires of Islamist anger; if we were able to prevent almost all attacks, all this would achieve would be to widen the gulf between Islamist, and simply Islamic, elements in Britain.

Equally, Thatcher is loved by as many as hate her. It is, after all, the measure of a successful politician that they elicit strong feelings in all.

But under pressure from Nordic countries and civil rights campaigners, ministers made clear that the new provisions may not be used to restrict freedom of expression.

It's good to see that at least some of our representatives are trying to do something good over there, or at least temper the evil of the EU.

Some of them only wanted to make sure that freedom of expression is not restricted so that they can keep up the tirade against some immigrants and a few potential E.U countries.

Equally, Thatcher is loved by as many as hate her. It is, after all, the measure of a successful politician that they elicit strong feelings in all.

I was going to bring up George Bush, but I feel that is some kind of pseudo-Godwin.

I was going to bring up George Bush, but I feel that is some kind of pseudo-Godwin.

I did mean to add "in intelligent people" to my statement.;)

I did mean to add "in intelligent people" to my statement.;)

But didn't out of fear for self-elimination. :p

Some of them only wanted to make sure that freedom of expression is not restricted so that they can keep up the tirade against some immigrants and a few potential E.U countries,

So?

But didn't out of fear for self-elimination. :p

You actually would stoop that low wouldn't you? My, that is dignified. Terribly classy.

You actually would stoop that low wouldn't you?

Oh, you set it up.

Oh, you set it up.

I'm sorry, but I still find a grown man descending to such levels distasteful. Such things are demeaning.

I dreamed about the death penalty once. I was walking down a long corridor when all of a sudden, I smelled bacon. I followed it to it's source and there was Michael Bolton in an electric chair twitching and singing 'When a Man Loves a Woman'. Well, I was horrified and fascinated at the same time because I knew this would be the last time I'd have to listen to this horrible horrible man. But he never stopped singing. He Never Stopped SInging!!! :eek:


I'm sorry. That dream still makes my flesh crawl. Carry on with the topic.

:(

That sounds like a really good/trippy music video/flash short. Except with different music and minus the bacon. Or did one have to be there?

Actually, if somebody bothered to improve the security services, I’d have no objection to stoking the fires of Islamist anger; if we were able to prevent almost all attacks, all this would achieve would be to widen the gulf between Islamist, and simply Islamic, elements in Britain.
I don’t see how public execution would help in that respect. The EU and the UK government talk all the time about how to prevent ‘radicalising the youth’. Public displays of death would be a massive step n the opposite direction.

If only we could expend so much time, effort and money on a worthy problem. Heart disease, for example.

I don’t see how public execution would help in that respect. The EU and the UK government talk all the time about how to prevent ‘radicalising the youth’. Public displays of death would be a massive step n the opposite direction.

If only we could expend so much time, effort and money on a worthy problem. Heart disease, for example.

Why is what the EU and Labour party deem necessary immeditaly so? I trust the judgement of neither.

So?

I'm saying that it wasn't done for purely selfless reasons (though it's good that it was said).

I'm sorry, but I still find a grown man descending to such levels distasteful. Such things are demeaning.

Perhaps you should consider growing some skin. I sort of got the impression that you were a tough guy with the calling for public executions and all...

I'm saying that it wasn't done for purely selfless reasons

So?

Perhaps you should consider growing some skin. I sort of got the impression that you were a tough guy with the calling for public executions and all...

He's an internet tough guy.

Perhaps you should consider growing some skin. I sort of got the impression that you were a tough guy with the calling for public executions and all...

It's a matter of manners and civility, not my being offended by the insult itself.

I'm sorry, but I still find a grown man descending to such levels distasteful. Such things are demeaning.

While crying for the death of others isn't? While calling Bush-supporters unintelligent isn't? So, it's only OK when you're not the one whose intelligence is impugned?

http://i32.tinypic.com/2m82udt.jpg

It's a matter of manners and civility, not my being offended by the insult itself.

Yes, civility, oh course...

I'm sorry, but I still find a grown man descending to such levels distasteful. Such things are demeaning.

Oh come on, it was the perfect zing.

Yes, civility, oh course...

Naturally, you see. For who is to speak better of "civility" than the one propagating for public executions?

I find that at times like this, it is always worthwhile to make a comprehensive list of threats.

So I like to post George Carlin's list of 'Things to Watch Out For'!

anal rape
quicksand
body lice
evil spirits
gridlock
acid rain
continental drift
labor violence
flash floods
rabies
torture
bad luck
calcium deficiency
falling rocks
cattle stampedes
bank failure
evil neighbors
killer bees
organ rejection
lynching
toxic waste
unstable dynamite
religious fanatics
prickly heat
price fixing
moral decay
hotel fires
loss of face
stink bombs
bubonic plague
neo-Nazis
friction
cereal weevils
failure of will
chain reactions
soil erosion
mail fraud
dry rot
voodoo curses
broken glass
snake bites
parasites
white slavery
public ridicule
faithless friends
random violence
breach of contract
family scandals
charlatans
transverse militias
structural defects
race riots
sun spots
rogue elephants
wax buildup
killer frost
jealous coworkers
root canals
mental fatigue
corporal punishment
sneak attacks
peer pressure
vigilantes
birth defects
false advertising
ungrateful children
financial ruin
mildew
loss of priveleges
bad drugs
ill-fitting shoes
widespread chaos
stray bullets
runaway trains
chemical spills
locusts
airline food
shipwrecks
prowlers
bathtub accidents
faulty merchandise
terrorism
discrimination
wrongful cremation
carbon deposits
beef tapeworms
taxation without representation
escaped maniacs
sunburn
abandonment
threatening letters
entropy
nine-mile fever
poor workmanship
absentee landlord
solitary confinement
depletion of the ozone layer
unworthiness
intestinal bleeding
defrocked priests
loss of equilibrium
disgruntled employees
global warming
card sharks
poisoned meat
nuclear accidents
broken promises
contamination of the water supply
obscene phone calls
nuclear winter
wayward girls
mutual assured destruction
rampaging moose
the greenhouse effect
cluster headaches
social isolation
Dutch elm disease
contraction of the universe
paper cuts
eternal damnation
the wrath of God


AND PARANOIA! :DYou forgot Scand's Roving Bands of Vikings, Giant Killer Monkeys, LG's Pie of DOOM, boots to the head, Japanese school girls, the KGB, Putin, Freaken Reagen, me, and many other things.

Why is what the EU and Labour party deem necessary immeditaly so? I trust the judgement of neither.
Neither do I, though perhaps for different reasons.

This politically-expedient mass-paranoia and its resultant legislation bugs me to the bone.

I vehemently oppose this measure. Terrorism is a desperately overexaggerated crisis, and this will simply be a springboard for even more government surveillance of the internet.

I'm not overly enthused; I'd sooner expend the energies, and funds, upon increasing the punishment for, and detection of, potential acts of terror. Like public execution.

You think that acts that apparently have martyrdom as a fairly major motivation to many of them are going to be deterred by public execution?

The death penalty is banned in the EU, and will be even more so with the coming communal accession to the ECHR by the EU through the Treaty of Lisbon. The death penalty is dead.

Not in the United States of America. :rolleyes:

Not in the United States of America. :rolleyes:

What's that got to do with anything?

Not in the United States of America. :rolleyes:

Come now, surely you don't actually mean to imply the U.S is separate from the EU?

Terrorism is a desperately overexaggerated crisis, ...

Why do you think that?

What's that got to do with anything?

Fass stated the death penalty is dead. It is not dead. There are several countries in the world including the USA that still have it.

Fass stated the death penalty is dead. It is not dead. There are several countries in the world including the USA that still have it.

Fass also mentioned Europe four times in that same post, which was itself a reply to a European. Context FTW.

Why do you think that?
Because terrorism effects us far, far less than dangers such as car accidents, heart disease, cancer, etc. It is ridiculous to worry about terrorism as much as Western societies do. Ridiculous but, as I have said, politically expedient.

Not in the United States of America. :rolleyes:

This is a thread about Europe. My post mentions Europe at least four times ("EU, ECHR, EU, Treaty of Lisbon"). My reply is to a European. About the death penalty being dead in the European Union. Thanks to the ECHR and the coming Treaty of Lisbon.

I guess reading comprehension is too much to ask from you, but I guess you'll always have the price of tea in Ceylon in store for us.

Fass stated the death penalty is dead. It is not dead. There are several countries in the world including the USA that still have it.
Quite true.

Iran, Libya, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia... That’s some dirty bedfellows you’ve got yourself (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Death_Penalty_World_Map.png).

Quite true.

Iran, Libya, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia... That’s some dirty bedfellows you’ve got yourself (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Death_Penalty_World_Map.png).

You forgot a few.

Death Penalty Permitted

* Afghanistan
* Antigua and Barbuda
* Bahamas
* Bahrain
* Bangladesh
* Barbados
* Belarus
* Belize
* Botswana
* Burundi
* Cameroon
* Chad
* China (People's Republic)
* Comoros
* Congo (Democratic Republic)
* Cuba
* Dominica
* Egypt
* Equatorial Guinea
* Eritrea
* Ethiopia
* Gabon
* Ghana
* Guatemala
* Guinea
* Guyana
* India
* Indonesia
* Iran
* Iraq
* Jamaica
* Japan
* Jordan
* Korea, North
* Korea, South
* Kuwait



* Kyrgyzstan
* Laos
* Lebanon
* Lesotho
* Libya
* Malawi
* Malaysia
* Mongolia
* Nigeria
* Oman
* Pakistan
* Palestinian Authority
* Qatar
* St. Kitts and Nevis
* St. Lucia
* St. Vincent and the Grenadines
* Saudi Arabia
* Sierra Leone
* Singapore
* Somalia
* Sudan
* Swaziland
* Syria
* Taiwan
* Tajikistan
* Tanzania
* Thailand
* Trinidad and Tobago
* Uganda
* United Arab Emirates
* United States
* Uzbekistan
* Vietnam
* Yemen
* Zambia
* Zimbabwe

You forgot a few.

No, he didn't, he didn't forget any of them. Or is your ability to read maps as limited as your ability to read posts?

You forgot a few.

Death Penalty Permitted


* Japan



That's the last place you would expect the death penalty if their manga and anime were to give you a clue about their society.

You forgot a few.
*points to map*

*points to map*

Oh, that map. ,,,damn links...sips whiskey and water...damn map with no labels on countries...:p:p

You forgot a few.

Death Penalty Permitted

* Afghanistan
* Antigua and Barbuda
* Bahamas
* Bahrain
* Bangladesh
* Barbados
* Belarus
* Belize
* Botswana
* Burundi
* Cameroon
* Chad
* China (People's Republic)
* Comoros
* Congo (Democratic Republic)
* Cuba
* Dominica
* Egypt
* Equatorial Guinea
* Eritrea
* Ethiopia
* Gabon
* Ghana
* Guatemala
* Guinea
* Guyana
* India
* Indonesia
* Iran
* Iraq
* Jamaica
* Japan
* Jordan
* Korea, North
* Korea, South
* Kuwait



* Kyrgyzstan
* Laos
* Lebanon
* Lesotho
* Libya
* Malawi
* Malaysia
* Mongolia
* Nigeria
* Oman
* Pakistan
* Palestinian Authority
* Qatar
* St. Kitts and Nevis
* St. Lucia
* St. Vincent and the Grenadines
* Saudi Arabia
* Sierra Leone
* Singapore
* Somalia
* Sudan
* Swaziland
* Syria
* Taiwan
* Tajikistan
* Tanzania
* Thailand
* Trinidad and Tobago
* Uganda
* United Arab Emirates
* United States
* Uzbekistan
* Vietnam
* Yemen
* Zambia
* Zimbabwe

Excellent company you chaps are keeping. Civilized what now?

hang on a second....

"would anyone like to blow up the BT tower with me in the name of Allah? how about nerve gassing tube for a very oriental feel?"

*waits for a spunky new MI5 recruit (who's sister is a suicide bomber) bursting through my door*

...do you think they will be awhile and this is in fact just something thats going to bite the Internet in the arse later down the line?

Excellent company you chaps are keeping. Civilized what now?

I had to rub my eyes then because I thought the last one said Zulu ;)

anytime that europe follows the US lead it is a good thing end of story.

Yeah, 'cause the U.S. always does good...
:rolleyes:

Who are they to say what's terrorist propaganda and what's merely political dissent?

Who are "they"? Leaders who have finally started using intelligence and common sense and stopped falling for silly arguments equating incitement to terrorism with "political dissent."

I'm ashamed to say that the EU is becoming like the Bush administration.

If that were really true, about damn time. Unfortunately, you exaggerate.

Keep dreaming, as you do about the death penalty. :)

Oooh! I had a dream about the death penalty once! In the dream I had been arrested in Louisiana, for some sort of crime or another, I was tried in what I perceived to be a cajun-style courthouse (corrugated tin roofing, FTL), and I was to be hung by the neck until dead outside of this courthouse, from a gallows that was covered with corrugated, green plastic roofing, and surrounded by chicken wire.

I really haven't had any other dreams about the death penalty...although there was the Ninja Turtles one, when I was, like, five, where Shredder was gonna execute a whole lot of people on what, was, essentially an oversized version of a TMNT playset.

Why do you think that?

This;

Because terrorism effects us far, far less than dangers such as car accidents, heart disease, cancer, etc. It is ridiculous to worry about terrorism as much as Western societies do. Ridiculous but, as I have said, politically expedient.

and the fact that terrorism is basically caused by bad foreign policy. It would be far better to reform an overly belligerent foreign policy to make us safe than give more powers to the police and lose our liberties for nothing.

I'm not overly enthused; I'd sooner expend the energies, and funds, upon increasing the punishment for, and detection of, potential acts of terror. Like public execution.

Goal of terrorists who have made terrorist attacks in London and Madrid - public martyrdom.
Your solution - public martyrdom.

Yeah, I can see public execution being a real effective deterrent here.