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I like both of these heavy/alternative metal bands.
I like slipknot better though, what do you think?
Please vote, and if you vote other please say the name of the band.

I like most people don't terribly like either band (actually most here will probably hate both). But of the two I would say Slipknot is better.

that's cool but i dont care for your posts if you dont actually like either of these band, or another metal band. only post here if you want to talk about metal music.;)

that's cool but i dont care for your posts if you dont actually like either of these band, or another metal band. only post here if you want to talk about metal music.;)
most people here do, that said, nu metal is probably the least popular metal genre here.

most people here do, that said, nu metal is probably the least popular metal genre here.

I I bet there are less popular ... (not enough to make a poll but yeah...)

Anyways slipknot is my vote ...

Did this thread get here via time machine from 1998/9? :p

Did this thread get here via time machine from 1998/9? :p

Oh ha ha ha, KoRn still tours, as does Slipknot. They're better now than they were then anyway.

Did this thread get here via time machine from 1998/9? :p

Slipknot Has had some pretty big advances with the newest album both in popularity in sales ... Korn less so but they have had some big albums past then if not quite as recent

Slipknot Has had some pretty big advances with the newest album both in popularity in sales ... Korn less so but they have had some big albums past then if not quite as recent

Very true, both bands are also touring together this summer in the "Family Values Tour". I went last year and it was AWESOME!!!!:cool:

Slipknot Has had some pretty big advances with the newest album both in popularity in sales ... Korn less so but they have had some big albums past then if not quite as recent

Eh. If you say so. :p Even if they're still out there though, I still say that the question itself, "Korn or Slipknot" is quite dated. ;)

Sorry, I listen to good music.

hmm...

Before I Forget..

I'll say Slipknot without a doubt

=) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=v_09wFxoaeQ)

Very true, both bands are also touring together this summer in the "Family Values Tour". I went last year and it was AWESOME!!!!:cool:

I went in '98, or thereabouts. That's probably where I first heard the Korn v. Slipknot debate (although Slipnot weren't there). Making me feel old. Jerk. :p

Very true, both bands are also touring together this summer in the "Family Values Tour". I went last year and it was AWESOME!!!!:cool:

Have not been on top of it lately too busy, Wonder how close they are getting this year

Caught Otep a few weeks ago but different genre

Edit: Oh heads up may want to check out anew revolution ... great in concert

Sorry, I listen to good music.

Oh, and what kind of music would that be, hmm?

KoRn and Slipknot are Nu Metal, and therefore NOT considered to be real metal by the metal community.

hmm...

Before I Forget..

I'll say Slipknot without a doubt

=) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=v_09wFxoaeQ)

Good choice man. Before I Forget is a great song, I like Vermillion better though.

KoRn and Slipknot are Nu Metal, and therefore NOT considered to be real metal by the metal community.

FYI KoRn is [I]alternative[I] metal, Slipknot is nu metal, but they really are still considered metal.

Most alternative metal is also synonymous with Nu Metal. Nu Metal is DERIVED or INSPIRED by metal music, but not accepted by most members of the metal community as an equal sub-genre. Or at least where I'm from.

KoRn and Slipknot are Nu Metal, and therefore NOT considered to be real metal by the metal community.

KoRn them selfs do not consider them selfs nu metal as far as opinions of the bands on classifications go

Most alternative metal is also synonymous with Nu Metal. Nu Metal is DERIVED or INSPIRED by metal music, but not accepted by most members of the metal community as an equal sub-genre. Or at least where I'm from.

Not always "Alternative" metal includes bands such as linkin park that are not Nu Metal

KoRn them selfs do not consider them selfs nu metal as far as opinions of the bands on classifications go

A band is never allowed to classify themselves in terms of a genre. That's a common rule throughout hard rock.

Whether or not they are Nu/Alt Metal doesn't even concern me though, to any real extent. I've never liked either of those two sub-genres of metal at all, really.

I I bet there are less popular ... (not enough to make a poll but yeah...)

Anyways slipknot is my vote ...

Actually, IIRC, we discovered, via Wilgrove that Nu Metal WAS the most hated genre on NSG.

KoRn sounds like a nasty strain of STD and Slipknot sounds like a cool assassin-type villian.

I'll go with Slipknot.

A band is never allowed to classify themselves in terms of a genre. That's a common rule throughout hard rock.

Whether or not they are Nu/Alt Metal doesn't even concern me though, to any real extent. I've never liked either of those two sub-genres of metal at all, really.
Thats cool no need for you too like them, hell I was not a fan of either for the longest time and only Slipknot as they started to stray from their 90's to early 2000's style

A band is never allowed to classify themselves in terms of a genre. That's a common rule throughout hard rock.

Whether or not they are Nu/Alt Metal doesn't even concern me though, to any real extent. I've never liked either of those two sub-genres of metal at all, really.

Then why the HELL are you posting on this thread??:confused:

Sorry, but Linkin Park is most CERTAINLY Nu Metal, or at least heavily influenced by it. When a vocalist starts rapping at you, and has a band attempting to play metal along with it, it instantly takes on elements of Nu Metal, which is why, some say, Nu Metal is actually a sub-genre of Alternative Metal, and once again, not considered a 'main' or 'core' sub-genre of metal. Examples of such would be:

Power Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal, Folk / Viking Metal, Thrash Metal, Doom Metal, NWOBHM, Classic / Heavy Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Symphonic Metal, and Progressive Metal.

Then why the HELL are you posting on this thread??:confused:

Because I'm a metal fanatic.

Actually, IIRC, we discovered, via Wilgrove that Nu Metal WAS the most hated genre on NSG.

I believe it. However, I do think it's defensible to have enjoyed Nu-Metal before Jan. 1, 2000. Just not in this millenium. :p

Ugh...sorry. Arguing over metal and having 'sub-genre battles' is what my friends and I did pretty much everyday of lunch period back in high school. Brings back memories. Anyway, I will bother you no more. Enjoy.

Examples of such would be:

Power Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal, Folk / Viking Metal, Thrash Metal, Doom Metal, NWOBHM, Classic / Heavy Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Symphonic Metal, and Progressive Metal.

Care to provide an example or so of each? Which does Dethklok fall under? :p It's gibberish to the outsider, I must say.

Actually, IIRC, we discovered, via Wilgrove that Nu Metal WAS the most hated genre on NSG.

Most vocal detractors maybe and most argued sure but there are lots of smaller sub Genre that just have no supporters as well

I was not big in the thread but there are lots of small sub gene that just have no popularity or attention good or bad.

Because I'm a metal fanatic.

Favorite Bands in this genre???

BTW people, could you please start talking about the "other" metal bands you voted for, so that this thread doesnt end up just being a metal sub-genre argument.

Care to provide an example or so of each? Which does Dethklok fall under? :p It's gibberish to the outsider, I must say.

Dethklok could be considered Melodic Death/Black Metal.

A list of examples

Power Metal - Blind Guardian
Death Metal - Dimmu Borgir
Black Metal - Arch Enemy
Folk / Viking Metal - Amon Amarth or Elvenking
Thrash Metal - Metallica or Slayer
Doom Metal - Candlemass
NWOBHM - Iron Maiden
Classic / Heavy Metal - Do I really have to?
Avant-Garde Metal - Celtic Frost
Symphonic Metal - Nightwish or Kamelot
Progressive Metal - Dream Theater

BTW people, could you please start talking about the "other" metal bands you voted for, so that this thread doesnt end up just being a metal sub-genre argument.

Other: Phil Collins

All awesome bands, but what does NWOBHM stand for???

Care to provide an example or so of each? Which does Dethklok fall under? :p It's gibberish to the outsider, I must say.

Dethklok is non-melodic death metal, aka 'brutal death metal'. Although some songs have more of a melo-death sound than others. Keep in mind that some bands are multiple genres, like Bathory is black metal AND folk metal, and arguably started both sub-genres.




Power Metal - Blind Guardian, Kamelot, HammerFall
Melodic Death Metal - Kalmah, Amon Amarth, Mors Principium Est
Brutal Death Metal - Cannibal Corpse, Devourment
Black Metal - Immortal, Bathory, Darkthrone, Emperor
Symphonic Black Metal - Anorexia Nervosa Nihilistic Orchestra, Dimmu Borgir (arguably)
Folk / Viking Metal - Korpiklaani, Finntroll, Ensiferum, Týr
Thrash Metal - Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth
Doom Metal - Candlemass, Cathedral, Eyehategod
NWOBHM - Iron Maiden, Judas Priest
Classic / Heavy Metal - Yngwie J. Malmsteen
Avant-Garde Metal - Arcturus, Ulver
Symphonic Metal - Nightwish, Northern Kings, Rhapsody of Fire
Progressive Metal - Opeth, Symphony X

Dethklok could be considered Melodic Death/Black Metal.

Haha. Excellent. It's somehow funnier knowing what they're going for. :p I love that show.

A list of examples

Power Metal - Blind Guardian
Death Metal - Dimmu Borgir
Black Metal - Arch Enemy
Folk / Viking Metal - Amon Amarth or Elvenking
Thrash Metal - Metallica or Slayer
Doom Metal - Candlemass
NWOBHM - Iron Maiden
Classic / Heavy Metal - Do I really have to?
Avant-Garde Metal - Celtic Frost
Symphonic Metal - Nightwish or Kamelot
Progressive Metal - Dream Theater

Hm. I know two of those besides Metallica. I guess I'm not a metalhead. Thanks though, that's pretty informative. :)

Dethklok is non-melodic death metal, aka 'brutal death metal'. Although some songs have more of a melo-death sound than others. Keep in mind that some bands are multiple genres, like Bathory is black metal AND folk metal, and arguably started both sub-genres.




Power Metal - Blind Guardian, Kamelot, HammerFall
Melodic Death Metal - Kalmah, Amon Amarth, Mors Principium Est
Brutal Death Metal - Cannibal Corpse, Devourment
Black Metal - Immortal, Bathory, Darkthrone, Emperor
Symphonic Black Metal - Anorexia Nervosa Nihilistic Orchestra, Dimmu Borgir (arguably)
Folk / Viking Metal - Korpiklaani, Finntroll, Ensiferum, Týr
Thrash Metal - Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth
Doom Metal - Candlemass, Cathedral, Eyehategod
NWOBHM - Iron Maiden, Judas Priest
Classic / Heavy Metal - Yngwie J. Malmsteen
Avant-Garde Metal - Arcturus, Ulver
Symphonic Metal - Nightwish, Northern Kings, Rhapsody of Fire
Progressive Metal - Opeth, Symphony X

I was supposed to see them with Epica and Into Eternity on Wednesday night. Sadly, my ride fell through and the buses didn't run late enough for me to get back to school afterwards.

I like both of these heavy/alternative metal bands.
I like slipknot better though, what do you think?
Please vote, and if you vote other please say the name of the band.

Demon Hunter.

Hm. I know two of those besides Metallica. I guess I'm not a metalhead. Thanks though, that's pretty informative. :)


Aww shit. Don't be like that. We're dealing with esoterika. I wouldn't know half the shit I do if it weren't for working on college radio as a DJ.

Here are some of my favorite metal bands, taken from my facebook profile:


3 Inches of Blood
Agalloch
Aina
Amon Amarth
Amorphis
Angra
Anorexia Nervosa Nihilistic Orchestra
Arch Enemy
Arcturus
At the Gates
Avantasia
Bal-Sagoth
Bathory
Battlelore
Black Sabbath
Blind Guardian
Borknagar
Cathedral
Charon
Children of Bodom
Dark Moor
Darkthrone
Dark Tranquillity
Dawn of Tears
Deadlock
Deathspell Omega
Demons & Wizards
Diablo
Dimmu Borgir
Dio
Disarmonia Mundi
DragonForce
Dragonland
Dream Evil
Drudkh
Eluveitie
Elvenking
Einherjer
Emperor
Ensiferum
Enslaved
Eternal Tears of Sorrow
Falconer
Finntroll
Folkearth
Freedom Call
Gamma Ray
Haggard
HammerFall
The Haunted
Helloween
Hypocrisy
Iced Earth
Immortal
Imperanon
Insomnium
Into Eternity
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Kalmah
Kamelot
Kataklysm
Korpiklaani
Luca Turilli
Manowar
Mithotyn
Moonsorrow
Moonspell
Mors Principium Est
Nightrage
Nightwish
Norther
Northern Kings
Noumena
Old Man's Child
Omnium Gatherum
Opeth
Pyramaze
Queensrÿche
Rhapsody of Fire
Running Wild
Savatage
Saxon
Sentenced
Shadow Gallery
Shaman
Skyfire
Stratovarius
Sonata Arctica
Swallow The Sun
Symphony X
Therion
TrollfesT
Tuatha De Danann
Turisas
Týr
Ulver
Virtuocity
Visions of Atlantis
Vintersorg
Waylander
Wintersun
Yngwie Malmsteen

All awesome bands, but what does NWOBHM stand for???

New Wave of British Heavy Metal.

I was supposed to see them with Epica and Into Eternity on Wednesday night. Sadly, my ride fell through and the buses didn't run late enough for me to get back to school afterwards.

I saw Into Eternity in 2006 at the New England Metal and Hardcore Festival, which was also DragonForce's USA debut a year and a half before they were famous, courtesy in part to GHIII. Saw Gamma Ray too. It was pretty awesome.

Within Temptation. No question. Great lyrics + great lead singer (Sharon den Adel) = awesome.

Conrado, I have not heard of most of the bands on your list. I was disappointed not to see WT on there. However, I did see Dream Evil, Manowar, and Sonata Arctica. I have bought exactly one song from each of those (Chosen Ones, Warriors of the World United, and My Land respectively).

Within Temptation. No question. Great lyrics + great lead singer (Sharon den Adel) = awesome.

Conrado, I have not heard of most of the bands on your list. I was disappointed not to see WT on there. However, I did see Dream Evil, Manowar, and Sonata Arctica. I have bought exactly one song from each of those (Chosen Ones, Warriors of the World United, and My Land respectively).

I have their album 'The Silent Force'. Its good, but not among my favorites.

Aww shit. Don't be like that. We're dealing with esoterika. I wouldn't know half the shit I do if it weren't for working on college radio as a DJ.

Heh. I like a lot of the metal I hear on college radio metal shows, since you've reminded me (did you work in California? Maybe I knew you). It's just that the names don't stick with me. Good stuff a lot of the time, but the theme is so narrow (usually related to, well, death) that the band names, album titles and track names seem to sound a bit similar after a while. :p

I saw Into Eternity in 2006 at the New England Metal and Hardcore Festival, which was also DragonForce's USA debut a year and a half before they were famous, courtesy in part to GHIII. Saw Gamma Ray too. It was pretty awesome.

I've seen all the bands that were performing before (Into Eternity with Edguy, Epica with Kamelot and on their headlining tour, and Symph X on their latest tour.

I saw somewhere that Edguy & Kamelot are touring the states this summer, and I'm totally psyched for that.

Heh. I like a lot of the metal I hear on college radio metal shows, since you've reminded me (did you work in California? Maybe I knew you). It's just that the names don't stick with me. Good stuff a lot of the time, but the theme is so narrow (usually related to, well, death) that the band names, album titles and track names seem to sound a bit similar after a while. :p

I'm still doing college radio up in Washington, actually. And, yeah, a lot of Death Metal doesn't really do much for me. I like Dark Tranquility, but that's about it for me. I'm more into Power & Symphonic Metal, which is equally small in scope (Fantasy).

I've seen all the bands that were performing before (Into Eternity with Edguy, Epica with Kamelot and on their headlining tour, and Symph X on their latest tour.

I saw somewhere that Edguy & Kamelot are touring the states this summer, and I'm totally psyched for that.

I saw Symphony X last August. It was great, but the best concert I've ever been to was Blind Guardian. I would love to see Kamelot. I was just listening to 'The Human Stain' from their newest album, Ghost Opera as I wrote my previous few posts.

Kamelot's touring info:

http://www.kamelot.com/tour.htm

Iron Maiden concert comin up in May. That's gonna be a killer show. We got lawn seats, we are gonna GO CRAZY!!!!

I saw Symphony X last August. It was great, but the best concert I've ever been to was Blind Guardian. I would love to see Kamelot. I was just listening to 'The Human Stain' from their newest album, Ghost Opera as I wrote my previous few posts.

Kamelot's touring info:

http://www.kamelot.com/tour.htm

Kamelot kicks ASS live. I saw them before Ghost Opera had come out, so I didn't get to hear The Human Stain live, but it is my favorite song they've ever done (barely beating out Forsaken, March of Mephisto, and Ghost Opera). Roy Khan is absolutely amazing live. Just as forceful as in album, and perfectly in tune, even on the hardest notes.

KoRn and Slipknot are Nu Metal, and therefore NOT considered to be real metal by the metal community.

Sorry, but Linkin Park is most CERTAINLY Nu Metal, or at least heavily influenced by it. When a vocalist starts rapping at you, and has a band attempting to play metal along with it, it instantly takes on elements of Nu Metal, which is why, some say, Nu Metal is actually a sub-genre of Alternative Metal, and once again, not considered a 'main' or 'core' sub-genre of metal. Examples of such would be:

For a time I wondered how Nu Metal wouldn't make it into "real" metal, but how symphonic Metal could. Nothing against symphonic metal (I love it, actually) it just seems like it wouldn't be a great fit with metal.

So what is it that qualifies it as real metal?

Power Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal, Folk / Viking Metal, Thrash Metal, Doom Metal, NWOBHM, Classic / Heavy Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Symphonic Metal, and Progressive Metal.

I heard that System of a Down was Nu Metal, is that true? And for that matter, where does DragonForce fit in?

I would say that SOAD is Nu Metal. DragonForce is power metal, hands down. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are wrong. I've been listening to them since 2004.

This is just my opinion, and I'm sure there are other acceptable explanations, but I would say that real metal would be loosely defined as staying firmly in the roots of what was considered metal in terms of sound, (down tuned guitars, blast beats, power chords, used in moderation), and vocals are extremely important. Vocals are one of the main distinguishing factors to determine sub-genre, as I'm sure most people here are aware. I would say that when a band uses something like rap, which has very little musical relation or history of collaboration with metal, the metal becomes 'tainted', if you will. Some people do not mind this, and embrace it as just another form of metal, which, on a rudimentary level, it is. However, I think that it is too bastardized to be classified as a main sub-genre.

I'm not telling anyone NOT to listen to Nu-Metal. I would never do something like that. I just can't deal with people EXCLUSIVELY listening to Nu-Metal and Alt. Metal and claiming that they are metal heads, (which nobody on here is guilty of, as far as I can tell).

Oh, and in case anyone here was a fan and hadn't heard the news, Stratovarius broke up. I think that this was bittersweet, based on the fact that their recent album(s) were NOT up to par with their greatest work, which I consider to be 'Visions', hands down, no contest.

I would say that SOAD is Nu Metal. DragonForce is power metal, hands down. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are wrong. I've been listening to them since 2004.

I was told DragonForce was Speed Metal, which is a genre I think they made up. But yeah, I agree with Power Metal.

This is just my opinion, and I'm sure there are other acceptable explanations, but I would say that real metal would be loosely defined as staying firmly in the roots of what was considered metal in terms of sound, (down tuned guitars, blast beats, power chords, used in moderation), and vocals are extremely important. Vocals are one of the main distinguishing factors to determine sub-genre, as I'm sure most people here are aware. I would say that when a band uses something like rap, which has very little musical relation or history of collaboration with metal, the metal becomes 'tainted', if you will. Some people do not mind this, and embrace it as just another form of metal, which, on a rudimentary level, it is. However, I think that it is too bastardized to be classified as a main sub-genre.

I'm not telling anyone NOT to listen to Nu-Metal. I would never do something like that. I just can't deal with people EXCLUSIVELY listening to Nu-Metal and Alt. Metal and claiming that they are metal heads, (which nobody on here is guilty of, as far as I can tell).


Never claimed otherwise. I was just interested to learn what the distinction was.

Some people do, but I do not really consider speed metal to be its own sub-genre, because I think it is too vague, almost like symphonic metal, which encompasses many bands nothing like each other, (Eternal Tears of Sorrow, Deathspell Omega and Nightwish, for examples).

BTW many bands that I listed have songs on youtube that you can listen to, if you wanted to sample them. If anyone is really serious, I can give them a song or album recommendation for whichever sub-genres sound the most appealing to them.

But, once again, I would never force my opinions on people, I just state my own very firmly.

I like both of these heavy/alternative metal bands.
I like slipknot better though, what do you think?
Please vote, and if you vote other please say the name of the band.

I cannot stand either band. And that's putting it mildly.

I prefer Emperor, At the Gates, Dissection, My Dying Bride, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, Gorgoroth, Anaal nathrakh, Celtic Frost and Primordial.

I was told DragonForce was Speed Metal, which is a genre I think they made up. But yeah, I agree with Power Metal.


Speed metal is a very loosely defined genre that includes most thrash bands, most power metal bands, and many NWOBHM bands.

I would say that SOAD is Nu Metal. DragonForce is power metal, hands down. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are wrong. I've been listening to them since 2004.
I would agree. SOAD is one of the only nu-metal bands I like.

This is just my opinion, and I'm sure there are other acceptable explanations, but I would say that real metal would be loosely defined as staying firmly in the roots of what was considered metal in terms of sound, (down tuned guitars, blast beats, power chords, used in moderation), and vocals are extremely important. Vocals are one of the main distinguishing factors to determine sub-genre, as I'm sure most people here are aware. I would say that when a band uses something like rap, which has very little musical relation or history of collaboration with metal, the metal becomes 'tainted', if you will. Some people do not mind this, and embrace it as just another form of metal, which, on a rudimentary level, it is. However, I think that it is too bastardized to be classified as a main sub-genre.
I would disagree on your definition of "real metal." Iron Maiden and Metallica (at least during the early part of their career) used standard tuning most of the time. Yet I doubt that anyone would disagree with Iron Maiden being "real metal." Many black metal bands do not tune down, are they not real metal? Black Sabbath didn't really do blast beats, and they're practically the originators of metal.

I would agree about rap kinda tainting metal, like you said. I was never able to listen to much rap-rock. Always bothered me, with Rage Against the Machine the only exception.

I'm not telling anyone NOT to listen to Nu-Metal. I would never do something like that. I just can't deal with people EXCLUSIVELY listening to Nu-Metal and Alt. Metal and claiming that they are metal heads, (which nobody on here is guilty of, as far as I can tell).
That would piss me off, too. "Oh I'm into metal, like Linkin Park." I hate that shit.

most people here do, that said, nu metal is probably the least popular metal genre here.

Do the Deftones count as nu metal? I mean, first three albums before they blew Deftones.

Do the Deftones count as nu metal? I mean, first three albums before they blew Deftones.

Critics don't really like to categorize Deftones, since they have some range and sort of represent the very beginning of "nu-metal." They're sort of the archetype of nu-metal, with their first album or so basically defining it, but they left it behind after that. I would say that they were basically through with 'nu-metal' by their album "Deftones."

Tool.

Not only is neither band metal, they are both schlock.

I like both of these heavy/alternative metal bands.
I like slipknot better though, what do you think?
Please vote, and if you vote other please say the name of the band.

I like both, especially early Korn.

I prefer Mushroomhead to either one, however. I also like In Flames, Mudvayne, Disturbed, Machinehead, Seo Taiji... lots of stuff.

The year 2000 called. They want their bands back.

The year 2000 called. They want their bands back.

???

Korn had a new studio album out less than a year ago, and a new Slipknot album is due before the end of this year.


I'm not sure what the point is supposed to be anyway, of course... the eponymous first Korn album is still one of the greats 14 years after it's release. 'New' is no guarantee of quality... nor is 'old' an indicator that anything is wrong.

I would agree. SOAD is one of the only nu-metal bands I like.


I would disagree on your definition of "real metal." Iron Maiden and Metallica (at least during the early part of their career) used standard tuning most of the time. Yet I doubt that anyone would disagree with Iron Maiden being "real metal." Many black metal bands do not tune down, are they not real metal? Black Sabbath didn't really do blast beats, and they're practically the originators of metal.

I would agree about rap kinda tainting metal, like you said. I was never able to listen to much rap-rock. Always bothered me, with Rage Against the Machine the only exception.


That would piss me off, too. "Oh I'm into metal, like Linkin Park." I hate that shit.

Of course the originators didn't have all of the traits of modern metal. They were busy starting up the genre.

I like both, especially early Korn.

I prefer Mushroomhead to either one, however. I also like In Flames, Mudvayne, Disturbed, Machinehead, Seo Taiji... lots of stuff.

Mudvayne and Disturbed are my favorite out of those.:cool:

???

Korn had a new studio album out less than a year ago, and a new Slipknot album is due before the end of this year.


I'm not sure what the point is supposed to be anyway, of course... the eponymous first Korn album is still one of the greats 14 years after it's release. 'New' is no guarantee of quality... nor is 'old' an indicator that anything is wrong.

Damn sraight man, sovietstan is ust jealous that he has nothing valuable to talk about when it comes to metal.:rolleyes:

Critics don't really like to categorize Deftones, since they have some range and sort of represent the very beginning of "nu-metal." They're sort of the archetype of nu-metal, with their first album or so basically defining it, but they left it behind after that. I would say that they were basically through with 'nu-metal' by their album "Deftones."

I try to pretend there wasn't anything after "White Pony". :-/

hmm...

Before I Forget..

I'll say Slipknot without a doubt

=) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=v_09wFxoaeQ)

Without a doubt one of the best metal songs

Damn sraight man, sovietstan is ust jealous that he has nothing valuable to talk about when it comes to metal.:rolleyes:

Wait, since when are we discussing "metal" here? All I see is a bunch of comments about flavor of the month has been wanna be metal poser bands...

Wow anyone who likes either of these bands get a massive loss of Respect from me

Wow anyone who likes either of these bands get a massive loss of Respect from me

I am not entirly sure any of us care what your opinion of us are.

Personally thoes who give respect based on music taste are not worthy of caring about.

Speed metal is a very loosely defined genre that includes most thrash bands, most power metal bands, and many NWOBHM bands.
I wouldn't say it encompasses most power metal bands, but certainly some of them. Bands like Isengard and Rhapsody of Fire are undeniably speed metal, and power metal, but a lot of the early power metal bands weren't nearly fast enough to be speed metal.

NWOBHM - Iron Maiden, Judas Priest

Judas Priest? The band formed in 1968, and released 6 albums prior to British Steel in 1980. My mother (who is 55, as compared to my 2nd gen metalhead 36 years of age) has gone to no less than a dozen of their concerts since her early 20s in the 70s. She still has Stained Glass, Sad Wings of Destiny and Hell Bent for Leather on the original vinyl in excellent condition. How the hell could they be New Wave? I saw them two years ago and Rob Halford's still going strong, even though he was 10 years removed from a band that has been around for 40 years.

Other bands of note. Metallica's always been fun, and they are the second loudest band I have ever seen live. The first being Motörhead. Motörhead has been one of my favorites for a while, though its interesting that the song "Motörhead" is actually a Hawkwind song back from the days when Lemmy was bass player for that band. So that track is actually more of a space rock song. I've always enjoyed Black Sabbath and Ozzy, though like Metallica and Judas Priest, those bands are more my mom's speed.

A lot of my favorite music is either metal variants or almost complete departures. I discovered Voivod in 1990, and it didn't hurt that it was the same year I was an exchange student in Jonquiere, Quebec, their home town. They are kind of speed/thrash/space metal. I think I discovered Tool a couple of years after that. I probably listened to far too much White Zombie in the 90s, though Rob Zombie's stuff after never thrilled me. o.0 - and I realized I have a copy of Educated Horses I probably listened to once, though Hellbilly Deluxe got a lot of play and Sinister Urge Slightly less. I wasn't overly fond of WZs Soul Crusher, but Make them Die Slowly, La Sexorcisto, and Astro Creep 2000 got a lot of play.

I suppose the only "nu" metal I've actually liked has been Coal Chamber. There hasn't been a lot of bands lately to thrill me, and to be honest my mother probably knows the genre better than I do.

I am not entirly sure any of us care what your opinion of us are.

Personally thoes who give respect based on music taste are not worthy of caring about.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:


Well, what he says is true. And all you could come back with was rolling your eyes? It says a lot about a person's character who would base opinions on somebody just because of their taste in music.


As to the OP..I don't care for this type of music at all, but I would choose Korn because I could at least get through one of their songs without being bored to tears.

Well, what he says is true. And all you could come back with was rolling your eyes? It says a lot about a person's character who would base opinions on somebody just because of their taste in music.


As to the OP..I don't care for this type of music at all, but I would choose Korn because I could at least get through one of their songs without being bored to tears.

I do not honestly judge people on their taste in music. It was perhaps an overstatement in saying I don't care for it...

Both are pretty bad IMHO...as far as alternative metal goes, Tool are where it's at for me.

Both suck.

Both suck.

Maybe thats how I should have put it...

Both suck.

Agreed, however, neither can hold a candle to Nickelback in terms of sheer, utter, abject, unforgiveable shittness.

Is there any point in calling someone elses music shit? That is a personal opinion so should be stated as such, its not fair or right to just say "Slipknot and K0rn are shit", a much better approach would be "Slipknot and k0rn are both not my taste and I find them to be utter shit". Why bother to post a message of hatred?

Oh and I personally prefer Slipknot.


p.s. Nickelback are shit :P

???

Korn had a new studio album out less than a year ago, and a new Slipknot album is due before the end of this year.


I'm not sure what the point is supposed to be anyway, of course... the eponymous first Korn album is still one of the greats 14 years after it's release. 'New' is no guarantee of quality... nor is 'old' an indicator that anything is wrong.

I think i could live off of Korn's "See You on the Other Side", that album is just awesome.


Oh and i don't suppose you or anyone else knows how to do that backwards R? its a bit irritating i don't myself :p

Both suck.

seems there are plenty of fans out there that would disagree with you, luckily NSG hardly is a good representation of music taste.

Then again i despise country music myself and millions like that utter shi-at... so it seems there are always mass delusions as to what music is "good' out there :D

If someone wishes to listen to Slipknot I shall not stop them.

All I am saying is there are around 49958 bands I would listen to before them...

Among them being Abba and Gregorian Chants.

Is there any point in calling someone elses music shit? That is a personal opinion so should be stated as such, its not fair or right to just say "Slipknot and K0rn are shit", a much better approach would be "Slipknot and k0rn are both not my taste and I find them to be utter shit". Why bother to post a message of hatred?

Oh and I personally prefer Slipknot.


p.s. Nickelback are shit :P

Some bands really are bad. They lack songwriting ability, musicianship, things like that.


Korn and Slipknot are two such bands.

Well since someone deleted my post I must say... There are few bands as bad as Slipknot and Korn. I do not wish to inhibit your ability to listen to what you wish, thats your right. Its just an odd choice in my eyes.

Both are horrible abominations. Listen to Opeth, or Agalloch, or Slayer, or another one of those metal bands with actual talent.

Korn's got some decent songs.

Slipknot doesn't.

Korn > Slipknot.

But then again, Iron Maiden > Dream Theater > Metallica > most other metal bands > Korn

Both are horrible abominations. Listen to Opeth, or Agalloch, or Slayer, or another one of those metal bands with actual talent.

Slayer's good, but listening to Opeth and Agalloch is like listening to someone throw up after eating a bad metal album.:p

Korn's got some decent songs.

Slipknot doesn't.

Korn > Slipknot.

But then again, Iron Maiden > Dream Theater > Metallica > most other metal bands > Korn

Metallica & Iron Maiden > Dream Theater > most other metal bands > KoRn

Slayer's good, but listening to Opeth and Agalloch is like listening to someone throw up after eating a bad metal album.:p

Isn't Opeth the one with the female lead singer? Nothing against women singersin general, but, to quote Nathan Explosion, they're just "not metal." :p

Metallica & Iron Maiden > Dream Theater > most other metal bands > KoRn

Iron Maiden & Old Metallica > Dream Theater > most other metal bands > KoRn

Agreed? :p

Probably the only nu-metal band I like is Spineshank, and I didn't even know that they were nu-metal until I looked on Wikipedia. I would've guessed heavy metal or industrial metal or something.

Isn't Opeth the one with the female lead singer? Nothing against women singersin general, but, to quote Nathan Explosion, they're just "not metal." :p

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, no.

Iron Maiden & Old Metallica > Dream Theater > most other metal bands > KoRn

Agreed? :p

Agreed. Old metallica is better, but it depends on how old your talkin about.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, no.

Well, that's how I remember it, at least. Unless you're telling me that it was just a really shrill dude I remember...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, no.

Doesn't matter if they're metal or not, they freakin [I]ghey.[I]

Agreed. Old metallica is better, but it depends on how old your talkin about.

Kill 'em All - ...AJFA, with some select songs off of The Black Album and King Nothing from Load.

Kill 'em All - ...AJFA, with some select songs off of The Black Album and King Nothing from Load.

Cool, cool. okay new chart.

Iron maiden & Old Metallica > Dream Theater > most metal bands > KoRn > Jimmy Buffet > Elton John > Opeth :p

Cool, cool. okay new chart.

Iron maiden & Old Metallica > Dream Theater > most metal bands > KoRn > Jimmy Buffet > Elton John > Opeth :p

ron maiden & Old Metallica > Dream Theater > most metal bands > KoRn > Jimmy Buffet > Elton John > Opeth > NEVER GONNA GIIIIVE YOU UP

And to whoever that was that said metal can't have girl singers, look up Collusion, a band on Myspace. Just because she's not growling doesn't mean it's not metal. :p

ron maiden & Old Metallica > Dream Theater > most metal bands > KoRn > Jimmy Buffet > Elton John > Opeth > NEVER GONNA GIIIIVE YOU UP

And to whoever that was that said metal can't have girl singers, look up Collusion, a band on Myspace. Just because she's not growling doesn't mean it's not metal. :p

Yeah, girls can be just as good as guys at singing in a metal band.

Slayer's good, but listening to Opeth and Agalloch is like listening to someone throw up after eating a bad metal album.:p

Wait wait wait, youre a slipknot fan and korn fan but say that OPETH and AGALLOCH are bad?


BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude. You. Are. A. Poser. GTFO. You can come back when you learn what metal actually is and a little something about talent and musicianship. For example, Leper Affinity by Opeth is greater than all the songs Korn and Slipknot have ever written combined.

You have no right to talk about metal you mall goth.

Wait wait wait, youre a slipknot fan and korn fan but say that OPETH and AGALLOCH are bad?


BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude. You. Are. A. Poser. GTFO. You can come back when you learn what metal actually is and a little something about talent and musicianship. For example, Leper Affinity by Opeth is greater than all the songs Korn and Slipknot have ever written combined.

You have no right to talk about metal you mall goth.

I'm actually not a slipknot fan at all, I just knew that a lot of people (including me) despise these two "nu-metal" bands and I think that slipknot is better than KoRn. that doesn't mean they're good, just better than KoRn.
Understand now? Silly knight...:rolleyes:

Yeah, girls can be just as good as guys at singing in a metal band.

Unless they are Angela Gossow or in a power metal band, then no, they cannot. Deepness of voice and all that.

And to whoever that was that said metal can't have girl singers, look up Collusion, a band on Myspace. Just because she's not growling doesn't mean it's not metal. :p

'Cause Myspace is totally metal. :p

I'm actually not a slipknot fan at all, I just knew that a lot of people (including me) despise these two "nu-metal" bands and I think that slipknot is better than KoRn. that doesn't mean they're good, just better than KoRn.
Understand now? Silly knight...:rolleyes:

I stand by my statement however, as you said Opeth and Agalloch were bad.


Thats just impossible for anyone who truely likes metal to say.

'Cause Myspace is totally metal. :p

Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer all have a myspace.

Go ahead, say any of those aren't metal. ;)

Well, that's how I remember it, at least. Unless you're telling me that it was just a really shrill dude I remember...

Opeth's lead singer has one of the deepest voices I've ever heard in any band ever.

Unless they are Angela Gossow or in a power metal band, then no, they cannot. Deepness of voice and all that.

Dude, Nightwish.

I stand by my statement however, as you said Opeth and Agalloch were bad.


Thats just impossible for anyone who truely likes metal to say.

Well I just said it, and I'll say it again, I DONT LIKE OPETH OR AGALLOCH. Its not the worst music I've ever heard, I just dont like it.
Silly knight... :rolleyes:

Opeth's lead singer has one of the deepest voices I've ever heard in any band ever.

Indeed, I think the poster in question is thinking Otep, a female fronted medicore quasi nu metal band.

Unless they are Angela Gossow or in a power metal band, then no, they cannot. Deepness of voice and all that.

Maybe for death metal, they have to growl... but look at Dream Theater. Progressive metal at its finest.

Hell, look at Iron Maiden. Blaze, who had the lowest range of the Maiden vocalists, was the most unpopular. Bruce, who sings high, is considered to be one of the greatest metal singers of all time.

Oh, and Ozzy. That's enough said, right there.

Well I just said it, and I'll say it again, I DONT LIKE OPETH OR AGALLOCH. Its not the worst music I've ever heard, I just dont like it.
Silly knight... :rolleyes:


You made comments like:
Slayer's good, but listening to Opeth and Agalloch is like listening to someone throw up after eating a bad metal album.:p


Yeah, you pretty much called them bad.

Maybe for death metal, they have to growl... but look at Dream Theater. Progressive metal at its finest.

Hell, look at Iron Maiden. Blaze, who had the lowest range of the Maiden vocalists, was the most unpopular. Bruce, who sings high, is considered to be one of the greatest metal singers of all time.

Oh, and Ozzy. That's enough said, right there.

Thats true, but for the style Dickenson sings, thats still lower than the range of most women who sing that style.

I have no problem with female singers in principle. But in practice most of them suck. But I think its mosty theyre in crappy bands.


I retract my earlier statement about female singers.

Dude, Nightwish.

Meh, I could take or leave Nightwish. I think they get protentious.

You made comments like:



Yeah, you pretty much called them bad.

I think that to consider a band bad they have to be hated by a majority of people that listen to bands of the same or similar genre. I'm probably in the minority here so they aren't bad, I just dont like them.
Silly knight...:rolleyes:

I think that to consider a band bad they have to be hated by a majority of people that listen to bands of the same or similar genre. I'm probably in the minority here so they aren't bad, I just dont like them.
Silly knight...:rolleyes:

What about people who listen to bubblegum pop? They like bands that are good bands only if McGonagall was a good poet.

I think that to consider a band bad they have to be hated by a majority of people that listen to bands of the same or similar genre. I'm probably in the minority here so they aren't bad, I just dont like them.
Silly knight...:rolleyes:

Thats an absurd definition. The many so called "punks" like Green Day (even though they are not really punk) but they are "bad" especially by real punk's standards.

The majority of people like 50 Cent, but anybody with any familierarity with Hip Hop knows that said artist is scholck.


Some bands are just crappy, crappy musicians. Success and Popularity =/= Talent.


And I dont know what you hope to accomplish by ending each of your posts with "Silly Knight...:rolleyes:"

What about people who listen to bubblegum pop? They like bands that are good bands only if McGonagall was a good poet.

People can listen to what they want to, bur bubblegum pop isn't music, it is young japanese girls moaning in tune with a computer generated series of beeps, whistles, and star trek noises.

People can listen to what they want to, bur bubblegum pop isn't music, it is young japanese girls moaning in tune with a computer generated series of beeps, whistles, and star trek noises.

And what prey tell is the problem with young japanese girls moaning?

Opeth's lead singer has one of the deepest voices I've ever heard in any band ever.

Indeed, I think the poster in question is thinking Otep, a female fronted medicore quasi nu metal band.

Aha, yes! Thank you - they were (still are?) truly awful. They made it onto my local college radio station's metal program once and the stink lodged in my mind somehow. There's the origin of the confusion. Good to clear that up. :p

it's pretty freckin obvious isn't it. Slipknot!!!!!!!! But Marilyn Manson is better.

And what prey tell is the problem with young japanese girls moaning?

Nothing, it just sickens me that people actually listen to that crap for entertainment. The moaning would be ok in a porno or something...
Silly knight...:rolleyes:

it's pretty freckin obvious isn't it. Slipknot!!!!!!!! But Marilyn Manson is better.

Marylin manson sickens me, please do not start any conversations about him in my thread. People might come down with a bad case of the poser emo.

Marylin manson sickens me, please do not start any conversations about him in my thread. People might come down with a bad case of the poser emo.

Pot, Kettle, Black.


Welcome to an online forum, where people can post anything.

it's pretty freckin obvious isn't it. Slipknot!!!!!!!! But Marilyn Manson is better.

Marilyn Manson was better when he was Alice Cooper.
Seriously...

Alabama Thunderpussy, Iced Earth, Opeth...
I don't even know what a "Korn" is.
Why is it that people don't even bother trying to sing anymore?

Iced Earth

They would be betterif all their songs sounded like Burnt Offerings.


Fuckin' love that song.

*Begins to sing under his breath to himself*

"Take my knife, make my sacrifice..."

Pot, Kettle, Black.


Welcome to an online forum, where people can post anything.

I know, just kidding, i dont care if you talk about him. I'm not emo BTW, i dont even try to be. As a matter of fact, I'm against wearing black makeup and piercing unmentionable places of the body with various metal objects.
Silly knight...:rolleyes:

Unless they are Angela Gossow or in a power metal band, then no, they cannot. Deepness of voice and all that.

Conversely, female vocalists seem to be the most common in Symphonic Metal. Nightwish and Epica to name two.

Incidentally, Nightwish is also somewhat Power metal, or at least evocative of the style in some of their songs.

hmm...

Before I Forget..

I'll say Slipknot without a doubt

=) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=v_09wFxoaeQ)

Only when Richard Cheese does it. Otherwise, meh.

I've never heard either, and treasure my ignorance.

Anyway, eighties hair/glam metal rules.

I stand by my statement however, as you said Opeth and Agalloch were bad.


Thats just impossible for anyone who truely likes metal to say.

That depends what one defines as "metal". I'm partial to a bit of metalcore, mathcore and prog, and I think Opeth are shite.

Unless they are Angela Gossow or in a power metal band, then no, they cannot. Deepness of voice and all that.

Otep Shamaya is up there as well ... frigging impressive the range of her voice, I almost did not believe it before seeing them in Concert

Neither. They´re both too bleh.

I think i could live off of Korn's "See You on the Other Side", that album is just awesome.


Oh and i don't suppose you or anyone else knows how to do that backwards R? its a bit irritating i don't myself :p

I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to create a Я symbol.

:(

I like Slipknot better my favorite song by them is "People equals shit"

BTW I like Static-X too what genre are they?

hmmm...hard decision. I don't usually listen to that kind of rock genre, but I like a few of both bands' songs. If I had to pick, I'd pick Korn:D

Its a difficult choice, I've only heard about 3 of Korn's songs, but I've heard nearly all of Slipknot's.

Slipknot at the moment because of Left Behind, but if I can acquire some Korn songs in the near future, it may change.

Personally, I am more of a fan of Rage Against the Machine, Anti-Flag, Metallica, the Rolling Stones et cetera et cetera.

I have never really gotten into Nu Metal...

I like Slipknot better my favorite song by them is "People equals shit"Richard Cheese does it about a K better.

There is a stark difference between metal and Korn/Slipknot. Metal is lamb of god, slayer, arch enemy, etc...

NU METAL is Korn, Slipknot, etc...

There is a huge difference in the styles of music and if you ask me nu metal shouldn't even have metal in the name. It's a genre for people who aren't hardcore enough for real metal. They just like to pretend

There is a stark difference between metal and Korn/Slipknot. Metal is lamb of god, slayer, arch enemy, etc...

NU METAL is Korn, Slipknot, etc...

There is a huge difference in the styles of music and if you ask me nu metal shouldn't even have metal in the name. It's a genre for people who aren't hardcore enough for real metal. They just like to pretend

What about those of us who like (what people like you keep calling) 'real' metal, AND stuff like KoЯn and Slipknot?

I really don't put the music in my collection into such defined genres.

To list some examples, Slipknot, Judas Priest, Slayer and Children of Bodom all comes under under metal for me, all that extra 'thrash' or 'melodic death' titles just seem to get in the way. I like the music for how it sounds, not what sub-categories it fits into.

Definitely slipknot. They have so many different people doing things at once, I am told their stage show is AWESOME.... and they make pretty decent music.

Acid Bath is my absolute favorite metal band. They were extremely original with an amazing vocalist and just an awesome concept.

And personally I can't stand radio metal/Slopknit. But that's just my personal opinion.

4-4;13624741']I really don't put the music in my collection into such defined genres.

To list some examples, Slipknot, Judas Priest, Slayer and Children of Bodom all comes under under metal for me, all that extra 'thrash' or 'melodic death' titles just seem to get in the way. I like the music for how it sounds, not what sub-categories it fits into.

Many people share this view, but I do not. I like the music for how it sounds as well, but the term 'metal' is FAR too vague to accurately describe the general sound of the genre. Stratovarius sounds nothing like Opeth, which sounds nothing like Immortal, which sounds nothing like Cathedral. The sub-genres should only exist to give a bit more information as to what style of metal a certain band fits into.

But I agree that it can be overwhelming, especially when bands try to classify themselves and make up new genres. Take Ensiferum for example: they are Folk Metal, but they call themselves 'Heroic Battle Metal', and Symphony X calls themselves, 'Neo-Classical Symphonic Metal', but everyone knows they are Progressive Metal, (maybe with some power metal influence).

That depends what one defines as "metal". I'm partial to a bit of metalcore, mathcore and prog, and I think Opeth are shite.

Meh, I guess in retrospect I can see how one might find opeth pretentious. Even I think they are at times.


I guess what I mean is if you like Korn or Slipknot you dont have the right to call Opeth shit;)

Unless they are Angela Gossow or in a power metal band, then no, they cannot. Deepness of voice and all that.

Ludicra.

Not all metal vocals are deep, even in extreme metal.

Oh, and what kind of music would that be, hmm?

*watches drama*