NationStates Jolt Archive

in this race, they have.

edit: as for assuming that the 'racists' for obama are black, it isn't actually necessary to my point. white people didn't vote for alan keyes either.

The candidates are equal in all relevant ways. I think most people would argue that this is not true. Given the number of people who support Clinton because she has a vagina and admit it while despising Obama, I would say it's provably untrue. You don't like one and hate the other due to a difference in sex unless you're a sexist.

The candidates are equal in all relevant ways. I think most people would argue that this is not true. Given the number of people who support Clinton because she has a vagina and admit it while despising Obama, I would say it's provably untrue. You don't like one and hate the other due to a difference in sex unless you're a sexist.

the hatred is a more recent phenomena, and most of it is just sour grapes and will blow over.

the hatred is a more recent phenomena, and most of it is just sour grapes and will blow over.

They are not equal. Are there health plans equal? Depends on who you ask, but they certainly aren't the same. Are their stances on Iran equal? Nope. Are their stances on insulting "holidays" equal? Nope. Are they equal in their position toward the electorate? Nope. Are they equal in their view on change? Nope. Are they equal in their position on following the rules? Nope. Are they equal on pandering to racists and sexists? Nope.

They are not equal. The "recent phenomena" defines exactly HOW they are not equal. There is no way Hillary Clinton rationally thinks she can win the nomination and not lose the support of a HUGE part of the dem party. She MUST know this. That she is still running and still claiming sexism is the reason she's losing and still comparing this election to 2000 and talking about being cheated and the various other vitriol defines exactly HOW they are not equal.

And, yes, if Hillary were in the lead and Obama would have acted like this, I would have turned on him in a moment. Why? Because it's counter to his message. They aren't equal and to say that her vagina is more important than her lies about popular vote, her lies about who made the rules and who broke them, her lies about "as far as I know" and her lies about sexism being more relevant than racism simply because Obama is winning is sexist.

More importantly it should be noted that those voting on race also favor her so sexists aren't the only people voting for her irrationally.

Okay....you guys didn't like electoral-vote.com, but you seem to love RCP, so........

RealClearPolitics Electoral College (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/)

Barack Obama 228
60 Solid 168 Leaning
John McCain 190
96 Solid 94 Leaning
Toss Up 120
120 Toss Up

RealClearPolitics Electoral College (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/clinton_vs_mccain/)

Hillary Clinton 229
91 Solid 138 Leaning
John McCain 168
69 Solid 99 Leaning
Toss Up 141
141 Toss Up

NO Toss Up States (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10)

Barack Obama 272 John McCain 266

NO Toss Up States (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/clinton_vs_mccain/?map=14)

Hillary Clinton 284 John McCain 254

Hillary wins again!!! Also, Hillary has more solid States and less leaners than Obama.

* posting this is by no means any admission that RCP is anything less than junk science.

Okay....you guys didn't like electoral-vote.com, but you seem to love RCP, so........

RealClearPolitics Electoral College (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/)

Barack Obama 228
60 Solid 168 Leaning
John McCain 190
96 Solid 94 Leaning
Toss Up 120
120 Toss Up

RealClearPolitics Electoral College (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/clinton_vs_mccain/)

Hillary Clinton 229
91 Solid 138 Leaning
John McCain 168
69 Solid 99 Leaning
Toss Up 141
141 Toss Up

NO Toss Up States (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10)

Barack Obama 272 John McCain 266

NO Toss Up States (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/clinton_vs_mccain/?map=14)

Hillary Clinton 284 John McCain 254

Hillary wins again!!! Also, Hillary has more solid States and less leaners than Obama.

* posting this is by no means any admission that RCP is anything less than junk science.

I am so tempted to put your "disclaimer" in my signature. Junk science.

Please, tell us again how using data collected by others is "junk science". I can't wait.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to put up the claim NO ONE has contested. That these polls only demonstrate how Hillary would do if no one campaigned against her. Since no one contests the claim, this being a debate forum, the polls remain an invalid way to compare the strength of the two candidates.

Anyone care to disagree? Not so far.