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Well, I went and got a new computer. It's a Dell Inspirion 530 running Windows Vista. I also got an LF Flatron L227WTG. I love the 22 inch wide screen. I got a great deal through work on Windows 2007 Professional so I put that on it also.

I love the 22 inch wide screen, it's a big improvement over the old 21 inch tube I had on the old machine.

Vista is OK. It will take some getting used to but it isn't all that different than the older Windows operating system at least from a users point of view. So, have you tried Windows Vista and if so what do you think of it?

Vista kinda sucked when it comes to me playing games...

You look like you're just trying to show off your new computer...if it's the case, then well, I'm happy for you.

As for Vista, I tried it and was satisfied with it. Yes it's slow, but it's still ok. I like XP better, but that's just a matter of preference between style and speed.

In before "OMG Vista is teh ebil and Micro$oft is teh thieves!"

Vista kinda sucked when it comes to me playing games...

^ this. the only game i can play on my new (6 month old) computer is a pirate copy of tiberian sun. vista takes up too much ram for all the others. i miss gta and sims.

^ this. the only game i can play on my new (6 month old) computer is a pirate copy of tiberian sun. vista takes up too much ram for all the others. i miss gta and sims.

Why don't you downgrade? Or use Linux?

^ this. the only game i can play on my new (6 month old) computer is a pirate copy of tiberian sun. vista takes up too much ram for all the others. i miss gta and sims.

MS could have their biggest disaster on their hands with Vista...the corporate take up has been very slow...and the hardware guys are getting uppity with their MBA's and lawyer about device drivers...

Why don't you downgrade? Or use Linux?

Because Microsoft has made it a serious pain to downgrade?

Because Microsoft has made it a serious pain to downgrade?

I find it less of a pain than not playing my favorite games. But there's always Linux.

^ this. the only game i can play on my new (6 month old) computer is a pirate copy of tiberian sun. vista takes up too much ram for all the others. i miss gta and sims.
I can play the Sims 2 on my Vista pc, it screws up Sim City 4.

Why don't you downgrade? Or use Linux?

There's a difference?:p

Hehehehehehehe!
Microsoft have had a massive downfall since Vista launched! Some people bought it and said it wasn't much different, but they still preferred XP and now everyone's stopped buying it!
It's the perfect opportunity for other companies to jump in with their new Operating Systems and gain a lead... Poor poor microsoft...

Glad you like your new computer =)

There's a difference?:p

I consider that as an offense to my religion. You will burn in the depths of a Vista Hell.

I have spent a significant amount of work with it both at home and in a business setting, have sense beta1

Overall I like the operating system, there are quite a few little tweaks that I dislike But overall have had good luck with it even in running old hardware (with some tweaks) as well as legacy applications (all kinds of oddball homebrewed applications and such)

Overall I think it is an Ok OS ... not what I had hoped out of an operating system with the dev time it has had but I dont mind it

So, have you tried Windows Vista and if so what do you think of it?

It's slow and can barely boot for the first time on a brand new machine without giving up the ghost.

My ancient Celeron machine maxed out on 512 MB runs circles around both Dual Core 2 Gig Vista machines I have access to, performance wise.

The difference? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux)

EDIT: And for games, there's still Windows XP. Which at least boots.

In before "OMG Vista is teh ebil and Micro$oft is teh thieves!"

Vista isn't evil, just bad, and my only beef with Microsoft is IE, as it's frigging impossible to get any webpage to display on IE and all other browsers properly. You can have it work on IE, or it can work on everything else. But not both. :upyours:

I consider that as an offense to my religion. You will burn in the depths of a Vista Hell.

You're talking to the person who bought a laptop with lower specs just to use XP over Vista. Of course, I've committed my only mortal sin, too. The laptop was a Dell.:headbang:

In before "OMG Vista is teh ebil and Micro$oft is teh thieves!"

Vista isn't evil, just bad, and my only beef with Microsoft is IE, as it's frigging impossible to get any webpage to display on IE and all other browsers properly. You can have it work on IE, or it can work on everything else. But not both. :upyours:
no, I'm not at all bitter, why do you ask?

^ this. the only game i can play on my new (6 month old) computer is a pirate copy of tiberian sun. vista takes up too much ram for all the others. i miss gta and sims.

Its rather simple to add ram or plan on a slightly larger memory foot print ... its not great on ram but with the price it is now its not a big deal in the home market

Rolling squid;13606630']Vista isn't evil, just bad, and my only beef with Microsoft is IE, as it's frigging impossible to get any webpage to display on IE and all other browsers properly. You can have it work on IE, or it can work on everything else. But not both. :upyours:
no, I'm not at all bitter, why do you ask?

From what I gather, IE7 is a lot better. Besides, it's not impossible to get everything to work in IE. You only need to know several dozen box model hacks.:)

I'm on a new dell laptop running vista now and it's fucking great. It's fast as hell (my laptop is only average, 2gs of ram, intel core 2 duo, 256mb nvidia card), yet I can run portal maxed out and windowed whilst running loads of other applications, I still don't understand what all this crap is that people say about it, most of the flaws have now been fixed. I especially like the goolge desktop search that comes with it, very useful.

^ this. the only game i can play on my new (6 month old) computer is a pirate copy of tiberian sun. vista takes up too much ram for all the others. i miss gta and sims.

I don't do games on computers. :eek: I know, but I just never got into them so that won't bother me at all. I figured XP was on it's way out and I didn't want to end up with another outdated OS. My old computer was running Windows 2000. I guess I could have upgraded to XP, replaced the DVD drive, and gotten the new monitor bit Mrs. C convinced me I needed to doll out for a new computer.

I was amazed at how easy the setup was. I had to get a new DSL modom and after I plugged it into the right phone jack (I had it plugged onto a dead jack) :rolleyes: even that set up was very easy. Hell, even a cave man could do it. :)

Its rather simple to add ram or plan on a slightly larger memory foot print ... its not great on ram but with the price it is now its not a big deal in the home market

yeah, I've seen 2 gigs of DDR2800 at 44 bucks a bundle. Too bad my motherboard is stuck on ddr400.

^ this. the only game i can play on my new (6 month old) computer is a pirate copy of tiberian sun. vista takes up too much ram for all the others. i miss gta and sims.

Vista is the first Microsft OS able to utilize ridiculous amounts of RAM. With XP, the amount of RAM is a non-issue after about 1GB. Hardware designers are the ones falling behind now. Until 8GB RAM and up becomes affordable, I will stick with XP.

I have to say, Vista isn't nearly as bad as is being portrayed. Maybe my comp is just overpowered, but my new Vista-laden comp can run every game I have at full settings with no slowdown, and the compatibility isn't even much of an issue for me (Hell, even Half-Life and the expansions run on it).

^ this. the only game i can play on my new (6 month old) computer is a pirate copy of tiberian sun. vista takes up too much ram for all the others. i miss gta and sims.

How much ram do you have?

I'm on a new dell laptop running vista now and it's fucking great. It's fast as hell (my laptop is only average, 2gs of ram, intel core 2 duo, 256mb nvidia card), yet I can run portal maxed out and windowed whilst running loads of other applications, I still don't understand what all this crap is that people say about it, most of the flaws have now been fixed. I especially like the goolge desktop search that comes with it, very useful.

The problem with Dell is they load your computer up with useless software. I found that particularly annoying.

Vista is the first Microsft OS able to utilize ridiculous amounts of RAM. With XP, the amount of RAM is a non-issue after about 1GB. Hardware designers are the ones falling behind now. Until 8GB RAM and up becomes affordable, I will stick with XP.

8 gigs? hahahaha, even if you're an extreme hardcore gamer, you will never really need more than 4 gigs, and 2 is probably enough for the latest games anyway, it's enough for crysis.

yeah, I've seen 2 gigs of DDR2800 at 44 bucks a bundle. Too bad my motherboard is stuck on ddr400.

MY dual opteron board is stuck on 3200 Ecc Registered :-P Expensive stuff

But regular 3200 (or 400) is only what about 50 a gig or so

The problem with Dell is they load your computer up with useless software. I found that particularly annoying.

Most manufactures do that ... my first step is always a format

The problem with Dell is they load your computer up with useless software. I found that particularly annoying.

Eh, the only thing they gave me was this finger print scanner and some media center thing (not windows media center), with a bunch of other cds that will remain never to be used. Dell's media center thing is kind of nifty though, it can run without having to turn windows on.

8 gigs? hahahaha, even if you're an extreme hardcore gamer, you will never really need more than 4 gigs, and 2 is probably enough for the latest games anyway, it's enough for crysis.

not to mention vista only recognizes, what 4 gigs? Or did Microsoft increase it since?

not to mention vista only recognizes, what 4 gigs? Or did Microsoft increase it since?

I think the 64 bit version supports 8 gigs.

From what I gather, IE7 is a lot better. Besides, it's not impossible to get everything to work in IE. You only need to know several dozen box model hacks.:)

yea, but I worked Web design during the dot-com bubble, and IE5 was impossible to work with.

not to mention vista only recognizes, what 4 gigs? Or did Microsoft increase it since?

Thats an artifact of 32 bit operating systems both xp 32 bit operating system as well as vista 32 and linux 32 bit kernels

64 bit of all the above recognize a significant amount more (I do not remember the cap over 64 gigs)

64 bit of all the above recognize a significant amount more (I do not remember the cap over 64 gigs)

But is 8 gigs really all that useful for anyone who isn't basically designing the cgi for the latest blockbuster moves?

I think the 64 bit version supports 8 gigs.

Was curious about the top knew it was more that 64 gb (which is the top machine I work with)
16 exabytes is the cap with 64 bit operating systems

Was curious about the top knew it was more that 64 gb (which is the top machine I work with)
16 exabytes is the cap with 64 bit operating systems

*starts saving money*

I bought a cheapish new laptop a few months ago with Vista preinstalled. I'd ummed and erred about switching to Linux for ages. So I partitioned the drive and installed Ubuntu along side.

I played about with both for a while. It took me a while to get to grips with Ubuntu, but in the end I liked it more and found it booted up much faster than Vista. So now I don't use Vista at all.

I still find Linux occasionally has quirks that I have to figure out, but I don't mind that so much. The most recent one was when I bought the laptop home and had to figure out how to get the computer to print to a printer on a Windows computer on the same network.

But is 8 gigs really all that useful for anyone who isn't basically designing the cgi for the latest blockbuster moves?

Well or any business environment ... we have 27 that break the 64 gig mark

There are other reasons to have more ... I keep about 16 GB now at home on my primary but the average person does not need that much no

Was curious about the top knew it was more that 64 gb (which is the top machine I work with)
16 exabytes is the cap with 64 bit operating systems

I've never even heard of an exabyte until now :p
I presume that that's only used for things like weather forecasting systems.

*starts saving money*

If you were buying 1 gig sticks at 50 a pop it would cost 860 billion dollars :-P

Well or any business environment ... we have 27 that break the 64 gig mark

There are other reasons to have more ... I keep about 16 GB now at home on my primary but the average person does not need that much no

What applications are you using which are so insanely demanding?

I've never even heard of an exabyte until now :p
I presume that that's only used for things like weather forecasting systems.

Well no they dont yet mesure ram with it but pure data storage has started to be
CASTOR CERN is said to manage over 30 EB of data

What applications are you using which are so insanely demanding?

No single thing ... they are VMWare Cluster nodes so hundreds of virtual machines

(Lots of exchange servers, domain controllers, SQL servers mostly)

From what I gather, IE7 is a lot better. Besides, it's not impossible to get everything to work in IE. You only need to know several dozen box model hacks.:)

Firefox is much better than IE. I have to use IE at work because Firefox is not compatible with our intranet. I use Firefox at work for the internet, it's a lot more friendly than IE.

No single thing ... they are VMWare Cluster nodes so hundreds of virtual machines

(Lots of exchange servers, domain controllers, SQL servers mostly)

So what do you think the maximum amount of ram you would need currently is for purely recreational use and gaming?

Firefox is much better than IE. I have to use IE at work because Firefox is not compatible with our intranet. I use Firefox at work for the internet, it's a lot more friendly than IE.

If you can get them to load IE7Pro it is a big help (inline searching added like FF as well as mouse gesture functionality) Not sure if they have a free component but it makes it a lot more bearable to have some of the interface options there

So what do you think the maximum amount of ram you would need currently is for purely recreational use and gaming?

Me to game and support the few virtual I keep going for my home network (without any of the other frills) is about 4 GB

If I could trim out the rest 2 is a solid amount for most people with just games and operating system, more then enough if they have higher RPM drives and improve Virtual Memory performance (or a raid0 set) (I happen to have both)

While 64-bit itself is capable of addressing 16 exabytes, Vista x64 is only capable of addressing 128GB of physical RAM, and, 8TB of Virtual RAM.

Server 2003 Enterprise is capable of addressing 1TB of Physical and 7.152TB of virtual RAM.

As for how practical using that much RAM is, web servers and active file servers use that much ram pretty easily, thats why most companies use multiple servers to handle their high I/O loads on their networks.

The most i personally use is 16GB on one of my servers, but thats cause I use that as an application server. Makes it so i can run multiple programs on multiple thin clients in my house without spending a ton of money on each system. I only have to spend a ton on one.

By the way, I'm currently downloading sp1, will this have any negative affects on my comp at all? It's a big download, is it going to change loads of stuff, or will I barely notice the differences?

While 64-bit itself is capable of addressing 16 exabytes, Vista x64 is only capable of addressing 128GB of physical RAM, and, 8TB of Virtual RAM.

Server 2003 Enterprise is capable of addressing 1TB of Physical and 7.152TB of virtual RAM.

As for how practical using that much RAM is, web servers and active file servers use that much ram pretty easily, thats why most companies use multiple servers to handle their high I/O loads on their networks.

The most i personally use is 16GB on one of my servers, but thats cause I use that as an application server. Makes it so i can run multiple programs on multiple thin clients in my house without spending a ton of money on each system. I only have to spend a ton on one.
You may look at going to separate but smaller servers ... there is a noticeable downturn in the ability of terminal servers to work with that much ram

( I work for an ASP) keeping it down to 4 GB terminal servers is usually the best bet and implementing RDP load balancing instead

And to your list I would add Exchange and SQL servers will go ram crazy as well

By the way, I'm currently downloading sp1, will this have any negative affects on my comp at all? It's a big download, is it going to change loads of stuff, or will I barely notice the differences?

I have not had a big issue on it ... recently had to move back to XP on primaries and the 7 gig free requirement was kind of a pain on virtuals but I did not notice too much of a difference on those virtuals

I hate Vista. The only thing I like about it, is I can mute the game I'm playing on IE without muting my music playing on media player, and can turn that down low enough to hear the chime on MSN.........

also, searching my pictures is easier, but the bulk uploader XP had isn't available on Vista so it makes sharing my pictures harder.

Well, I went and got a new computer. It's a Dell Inspirion 530 running Windows Vista. I also got an LF Flatron L227WTG. I love the 22 inch wide screen. I got a great deal through work on Windows 2007 Professional so I put that on it also.

I love the 22 inch wide screen, it's a big improvement over the old 21 inch tube I had on the old machine.

Vista is OK. It will take some getting used to but it isn't all that different than the older Windows operating system at least from a users point of view. So, have you tried Windows Vista and if so what do you think of it?
Most people I know had some sort of problem adding devices that worked well with XP. Things like wireless printers and such. If you haven't had problems, then good for you.

Well, I went and got a new computer. It's a Dell Inspirion 530 running Windows Vista. I also got an LF Flatron L227WTG. I love the 22 inch wide screen. I got a great deal through work on Windows 2007 Professional so I put that on it also.

I love the 22 inch wide screen, it's a big improvement over the old 21 inch tube I had on the old machine.

Vista is OK. It will take some getting used to but it isn't all that different than the older Windows operating system at least from a users point of view. So, have you tried Windows Vista and if so what do you think of it?

I just built a new system last week (Lian Li PC-7B +, Q6600, BFG 8800GTX OC, Corsair Dominator 2 GB PC 8500, PCP&C psu, DVD burner, 750GB HD), and I installed XP in it, as I still don't trust Vista.

I hate Vista. The only thing I like about it, is I can mute the game I'm playing on IE without muting my music playing on media player, and can turn that down low enough to hear the chime on MSN.........

also, searching my pictures is easier, but the bulk uploader XP had isn't available on Vista so it makes sharing my pictures harder.

That is a nice feature the per application volume control ... came in handy for me

8 gigs? hahahaha, even if you're an extreme hardcore gamer, you will never really need more than 4 gigs, and 2 is probably enough for the latest games anyway, it's enough for crysis.

64 bit processing is opening up an entirely new world in terms of capabilities.

Well or any business environment ... we have 27 that break the 64 gig mark

There are other reasons to have more ... I keep about 16 GB now at home on my primary but the average person does not need that much no

*puts on average person cap*

4GB and I still have low memory issues at times. Particularly when rendering mechanically complex items. Am considering pushing up to 8 GB at the next upgrade.

Vista kinda sucked when it comes to me playing games...

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Ironic that you respond to a post on gaming with expressing your love of an operating system/hardware setup that is even worse at gaming then even the worst detractors from vista portray it

Ironic that you respond to a post on gaming with expressing your love of an operating system/hardware setup that is even worse at gaming then even the worst detractors from vista portray it

It´s interesting that you deign to take 2 minutes from your visually busy life to bash me for responding to another NSGer´s post with my liking of said operating system. Don´t you have anything else to do than post bitter remarks? Really.:rolleyes:

Most people I know had some sort of problem adding devices that worked well with XP. Things like wireless printers and such. If you haven't had problems, then good for you.

I put in the CD for the HP 7125 Printer and got a message that said the operating system was not compatible. Screw it. I took the disk out and plugged in the printer. Vista immediately found the driver and installed it. Printer works just fine. :)

It´s interesting that you deign to take 2 minutes from your visually busy life to bash me for responding to another NSGer´s post with my liking of said operating system. Don´t you have anything else to do than post bitter remarks? Really.:rolleyes:
No more time then you spent on things such as tracking down images to backup a proclaimed love of an operating system without an argument (at least a viable one) to the point made by the quoted poster

Either way I did not mean for it for it to be overly bitter but actually sardonically humorous as the choice of posts to respond to in the thread, pick one focused on gaming, one of the premier and most public failings of macs abilities (and more so the industry's wish to back the format)

I put in the CD for the HP 7125 Printer and got a message that said the operating system was not compatible. Screw it. I took the disk out and plugged in the printer. Vista immediately found the driver and installed it. Printer works just fine. :)

Probably would have been fine with the driver set on their website as well ... they may have put it to disk too early for compatibility

I put in the CD for the HP 7125 Printer and got a message that said the operating system was not compatible. Screw it. I took the disk out and plugged in the printer. Vista immediately found the driver and installed it. Printer works just fine. :)
Good deal. The stories I heard about going to the network to find drivers usually ended with, "Then I reloaded Windows...". Glad it didn't happen to you.

Good deal. The stories I heard about going to the network to find drivers usually ended with, "Then I reloaded Windows...". Glad it didn't happen to you.

I had pretty good luck ... even got 8+ year old vid cards working ... not easy by any means and a fair amount of trickery to get it done but I have in some situations

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I'm very sorry.

Why don't you downgrade? Or use Linux?

Or put in more RAM?

Or put in more RAM?

That actually costs money, unlike um...Linux.

Overall, I like Vista. I think that for the time spent developing it they could have done better (even their first usage previews where much better and more revolutionary) but it is still overall an improvement compared to XP in my books.

That actually costs money, unlike um...Linux.Not everyone wants to use Linux.

That actually costs money, unlike um...Linux.
Linux does not compensate for ram ... it can help depending on what you hope to achive for it but it is hardly a cure all

Im okay with it, I like the presentation better, and the actual practical use of it is about the same as XP....

Speed wise its about the same, afterall your speed is more to do with your comps hardware rather than the OS anyway...

Ive been quite satisfied with my laptop lately...and it runs DoW, which is something my previous computer couldest not do:cool:

tbh, I don't see the point of playing PC games anymore, I find console games to be much more enjoyable.

Well, I went and got a new computer. It's a Dell Inspirion 530 running Windows Vista. I also got an LF Flatron L227WTG. I love the 22 inch wide screen. I got a great deal through work on Windows 2007 Professional so I put that on it also.

I love the 22 inch wide screen, it's a big improvement over the old 21 inch tube I had on the old machine.

Vista is OK. It will take some getting used to but it isn't all that different than the older Windows operating system at least from a users point of view. So, have you tried Windows Vista and if so what do you think of it?

I tried Vista for a little while and I honestly couldn't get used to it. The whole "admin privileges" thing really irked me. I was already friggin logged in on an admin account! Why the heck should I have to confirm my privileges to change some frickin miniscule feature?

Even my roommate went back to XP after a while. Vista came pre-installed on her laptop, and get this -- it was spazzing out her video card! What the heck! The machine was BUILT to run Vista, and it still kept screwing up. I really have a feeling that Vista's going to go the way of Windows CEMENT (CE, ME, and NT, which all flopped horribly, mostly due to problems similar to those we're seeing in Vista). They released it too early, with too many bugs. Hell, VMWare isn't even compatible with it! Take it back, work on it for a few more years, and release it under a different name, and MAYBE we'll have a new standard. Until then, I'm sticking to XP.

tbh, I don't see the point of playing PC games anymore, I find console games to be much more enjoyable.

I tend to like types that dont translate to console well ... as well as already having the hardware ...

Linux does not compensate for ram ... it can help depending on what you hope to achive for it but it is hardly a cure all

His problem was encountered with Vista and not with XP. That means he has enough RAM, yet Vista takes too much (who knew?).

By installing Linux, he has a chance of having enough RAM again for his exploitation system and his games alike (yes, exploitation systems require RAM).

It's an option that he should try before just giving up. And it may be a cure for whatever problem he encounters right now. Of course he should buy more RAM, but that isn't an immediate solution if he can't afford it.

His problem was encountered with Vista and not with XP. That means he has enough RAM, yet Vista takes too much (who knew?).

By installing Linux, he has a chance of having enough RAM again for his exploitation system and his games alike (yes, exploitation systems require RAM).

It's an option that he should try before just giving up. And it may be a cure for whatever problem he encounters right now. Of course he should buy more RAM, but that isn't an immediate solution if he can't afford it.

An option with a significant time impact specially with a stated goal of gaming. I mean I am a massive linux fan as well as a big fan of Cedega and Wine but the time investment for someone who is a non user of those types of operating systems to
A) Learn the OS enough o take advantage of using the tools necessary
B) getting the tools working right with some of the games

Is pretty serious

I enjoy the challenge and I have use for the knowledge gleaned even with no immediate impact

But with the price of ram and without a secondary use for the knowledge (and or just a want for it) it is sometimes simply not worth it to people

All for eeaking a bit more ram which with the ammount used on some of the
big boys compared to vista (which are the more likely to be used by a novice) it may indeed be even less worth it

In the end if about 200 to 300 Mb of ram is breaking the bank he is on a very short time frame any way you cut it until he is again not able to use any games.

Im okay with it, I like the presentation better, and the actual practical use of it is about the same as XP....

Speed wise its about the same, afterall your speed is more to do with your comps hardware rather than the OS anyway...

Ive been quite satisfied with my laptop lately...and it runs DoW, which is something my previous computer couldest not do:cool:

No, your speed is quite a lot to do with the OS. If you ran Windows Vista on my desktop, it would slow to a halt. Running Debian, it reacts faster than machines twice as powerful with WinXP.

Anecdote, but it's well known that Linux can be a lot lighter on the hardware than Windows.

I tried Vista, and disliked it so much that I bought a Mac.

I have XP installed using Bootcamp, so I don't have any issues with compatibility. I would certainly recommend it.

i think vista is quite cool and takes getting used to but once your used to it its better than xp.

No more time then you spent on things such as tracking down images to backup a proclaimed love of an operating system without an argument (at least a viable one) to the point made by the quoted poster

Either way I did not mean for it for it to be overly bitter but actually sardonically humorous as the choice of posts to respond to in the thread, pick one focused on gaming, one of the premier and most public failings of macs abilities (and more so the industry's wish to back the format)

Either way, if you meant it to be bitter or humorous, doesn't matter. If you don't like my posts, don't answer them. You always have that choice.;)

With Windows 7 due in 2009, it makes it really difficult to recommend upgrading to Vista. But if you get it with a new computer, fine. I don't think it's nearly as bad as some of you say, but not nearly as good as some others say either. It definitely has some problems, but it's about time some serious effort was put into separating users from administrators, even if UAC was deliberately designed to annoy:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080411-vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you.html

I'm perfectly happy with Linux though. You should try it. ;)

It's slow and can barely boot for the first time on a brand new machine without giving up the ghost.

That's pretty much my experiences, yeah. :^/

Vista, a friend of mine bought a new laptop with Vista, and damn it gave me some good laughs (and caused headaches for him). It's not that he finds it incredibly slow, it's simply a completly retarted OS. For example, we were watching some youtube video's in class. Suddenly an update message flashed in the middle of the screen, he quikly clicked on the cross so we could watch youtube again. After a few seconds, the laptop shut down and started updating. Really, how incredibly retarted is thát. My friend sad to the updater "No, go away." and how does Vista respond: "F*ck you, I'll do it anyway!". Also, Vista has some kind of tool inside wich every 12-15 seconds looks for a better network connection. It pretty much sucks, because when he plays World of Warcraft he gets a lagspike every 13 seconds, thus he isn't able to even play properly. Now that the future is present is 1 thing, the real retarted thing is that you can't shut if off. Really, the only way you can turn it off, is to completly shutdown the network controll thus disabeling his internet. How's thát for consumer-support. Those things made me conclude, Vista sucks balls.

Either way, if you meant it to be bitter or humorous, doesn't matter. If you don't like my posts, don't answer them. You always have that choice.;)

But mustn't we all answer your posts?
:confused:

But mustn't we all answer your posts?
:confused:

But you're different. You're the president of my fanclub.;)

An option with a significant time impact specially with a stated goal of gaming. I mean I am a massive linux fan as well as a big fan of Cedega and Wine but the time investment for someone who is a non user of those types of operating systems to
A) Learn the OS enough o take advantage of using the tools necessary
B) getting the tools working right with some of the games

Is pretty serious

I enjoy the challenge and I have use for the knowledge gleaned even with no immediate impact

But with the price of ram and without a secondary use for the knowledge (and or just a want for it) it is sometimes simply not worth it to people

All for eeaking a bit more ram which with the ammount used on some of the
big boys compared to vista (which are the more likely to be used by a novice) it may indeed be even less worth it

In the end if about 200 to 300 Mb of ram is breaking the bank he is on a very short time frame any way you cut it until he is again not able to use any games.

It's not very hard to learn how to use, say, Ubuntu. All you have to do is know that WINE emulates Windows. From there, you just install your games and hope it works.

To OP: It's really worth a try.

But you're different.That's a given...
You're the president of my fanclub.;)
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Either way, if you meant it to be bitter or humorous, doesn't matter. If you don't like my posts, don't answer them. You always have that choice.;)

Yup I did have a choice ... and have no problem with my choice

It's not very hard to learn how to use, say, Ubuntu. All you have to do is know that WINE emulates Windows. From there, you just install your games and hope it works.

To OP: It's really worth a try.
Wine does not emulate windows ... but that is a small point.

There is a lot more to making a sucessfull linux gaming system then that ... if you want it to actually perform (Which is why cadega still has a market really)

But either way it is a massive shift in work styles for the sake of a few meg of ram (hell less difference with a hog like ubuntu then with some of the other leaner choices out there) God knows what other little things he does that are impractacle at best in a linux envyronment.

Like I said i am a fan but it seems like a lot of change for very little benifit for the proposed purpose

With Windows 7 due in 2009, it makes it really difficult to recommend upgrading to Vista. But if you get it with a new computer, fine. I don't think it's nearly as bad as some of you say, but not nearly as good as some others say either. It definitely has some problems, but it's about time some serious effort was put into separating users from administrators, even if UAC was deliberately designed to annoy:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080411-vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you.html

I'm perfectly happy with Linux though. You should try it. ;)Vista was supposed to ship 2004. Microsoft is a software development company, the miss release dates. I think 2010/11 is more reasonable. Beyond that, before XP, there was a new version of Windows every two to three years.

However Windows 7 is something I am excited about. The whole modularity thing is probably just going to end up a cash grab scheme, but there are still core improvements scheduled. The one I find most important is that they intend to break backwards compatibility, not in the way Vista did either. They plan to do something akin to OS Classic of the Mac to crutch people over. This is good, because much of Windows bloat and security issues come from its backwards compatibility. I think this could give Windows a fresh start and allow it to avoid design mistakes of the past.

Wine does not emulate windows ... but that is a small point.

There is a lot more to making a sucessfull linux gaming system then that ... if you want it to actually perform (Which is why cadega still has a market really)

But either way it is a massive shift in work styles for the sake of a few meg of ram (hell less difference with a hog like ubuntu then with some of the other leaner choices out there) God knows what other little things he does that are impractacle at best in a linux envyronment.

Like I said i am a fan but it seems like a lot of change for very little benifit for the proposed purpose

It's still worth a try.

Well no they dont yet mesure ram with it but pure data storage has started to be
CASTOR CERN is said to manage over 30 EB of data

Aye...CERN is a interesting area for storage companies...I have heard that they are generating something like 20 petabytes a year but when the new hardware (LHC) comes on line that is going to increase astronomically...

My firm is really trying to break into that market...be pretty neat to go for a site visit...*sigh*

i actually really like Vista. it took me weeks to get used to it, but i find i'm more efficient, its faster and more reliable.

indexing and really quick searches rock (yeah i had them on XP with Google Desktop, but it hogged my resources like a bitch)

plus its pretty :P


my dad has had some problems with the x64 edition though. quite a lot of programs don't seem to like it. i've only had one program to not like Vista, and its a pretty ancient one at that

It´s interesting that you deign to take 2 minutes from your visually busy life to bash me for responding to another NSGer´s post with my liking of said operating system. Don´t you have anything else to do than post bitter remarks? Really.:rolleyes:

UT knows his stuff *hugs UT for no apparent reason*

i actually really like Vista. it took me weeks to get used to it, but i find i'm more efficient, its faster and more reliable.

indexing and really quick searches rock (yeah i had them on XP with Google Desktop, but it hogged my resources like a bitch)

plus its pretty :P


my dad has had some problems with the x64 edition though. quite a lot of programs don't seem to like it. i've only had one program to not like Vista, and its a pretty ancient one at that

The 64 transition personally has been almost a bigger pain (in Linux XP and Vista) driver operation is sometimes fubar'd and legacy support is dodgy at best

I almost wonder if some of the people with real bad vista experiences also did transfer to the 64 at the same time.

UT knows his stuff *hugs UT for no apparent reason*
Sometimes *hugs*