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Bush and Hitler compared

Hachihyaku
08-04-2008, 19:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12pwkeVk7B8

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Very interesting to say the least.
Guibou
08-04-2008, 19:50
It starts with 9/11. That's just great...
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 19:53
Until Bush invades Poland, any comparison is moot.
Hachihyaku
08-04-2008, 19:53
Until Bush invades Poland, any comparison is moot.

Its comparing there actions, pay proper attention. :rolleyes:
The Parkus Empire
08-04-2008, 19:54
Its comparing there actions, pay proper attention. :rolleyes:

Where, actions?
Hachihyaku
08-04-2008, 19:54
It starts with 9/11. That's just great...

Meh Its more interesting than it seems.
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 19:55
Its comparing there actions, pay proper attention. :rolleyes:

Invading Poland is an action. An action of Leadership.
Hachihyaku
08-04-2008, 19:56
Where, actions?

Watch the video.
Hachihyaku
08-04-2008, 19:56
Invading Poland is an action. An action of Leadership.

Yes and its comparing there "leadership actions".
Veblenia
08-04-2008, 19:57
You know it's going to be a good thread when Godwin's law is invoked in the title.
Jerusalem Light
08-04-2008, 19:59
Hiltler was charismatic and extremely intelligent, but tragically misguided and unforgivably evil.

Bush is an empty puppet controlled by higher interests at worst and a stupid, stupid man at best.

I think any similarity is pretty circumstantial.
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 20:01
Hiltler was charismatic and extremely intelligent, but tragically misguided and unforgivably evil.

Bush is an empty puppet controlled by higher interests at worst and a stupid, stupid man at best.

I think any similarity is pretty circumstantial.

Especially since Bush never invaded Poland.
Jayate
08-04-2008, 20:02
Hiltler was charismatic and extremely intelligent, but tragically misguided and unforgivably evil.

Bush is an empty puppet controlled by higher interests at worst and a stupid, stupid man at best.

I think any similarity is pretty circumstantial.

Remember: Hitler thought he was doing good. Bush KNOWS he's doing wrong
Andaluciae
08-04-2008, 20:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12pwkeVk7B8

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Very interesting to say the least.

*SLAP*
The Parkus Empire
08-04-2008, 20:04
Hiltler was charismatic

For a while.

and extremely intelligent,

A few of a higher-up Nazis were; Hitler was not.

but tragically misguided

As most humans are.

and unforgivably evil.

Unforgivably ignorant.
VietnamSounds
08-04-2008, 20:05
What did Hitler do that was so intelligent? He had an unusual ability to influence people, but that doesn't make him intelligent. He did some stupid things.
Kontor
08-04-2008, 20:06
It's funny how bush can be an idiot and a monky buffoon and yet be an ebil mastermind at the same time. :rolleyes:
Anikdote
08-04-2008, 20:06
Last I checked Bush wasn't commiting genocide or invanding Poland.
DrVenkman
08-04-2008, 20:08
Yeah, Pearl Harbor was really a ploy by the US Gov. :rolleyes:

That and the conspiracy 9/11 shit is pretty damn retarded. There mere fact this video exists on youtube shows that Bush =/= Hitler. I don't like the man for his policies, but christ, I hate morons even more.
BrightonBurg
08-04-2008, 20:08
Move along,nothing to see here,just more crack pot bullshit from tinfoil wearing fucktards.

stupid moonbat mother fuckers. >:(

Anyone who thinks 9/11 was a inside job is a ****, a loon, a wackjob of the highest order, the poor sap who made that U-tube spot is a sad little man,I bet he thinks the moonlandings was filmed at Paramont studios. LOL.

Funny,these people who are so blinded by hate of Bush,what will these people do when Bush is gone? who will they hate? it seems to make up a large part of their minor lives.
Mad hatters in jeans
08-04-2008, 20:10
Until Bush invades Poland, any comparison is moot.

Invading Poland is an action. An action of Leadership.

Especially since Bush never invaded Poland.

Stop talking about Poland! Hitler did other nasty stuff besides invading Poland, e.g. Taking the Sudetenland, intervening in the Spanish civil war, effectively ending the voting process.
As to the video, meh he's just paranoid. All wars are bad anyway, there's usually a poor reason for the majority of them.
Kirchensittenbach
08-04-2008, 20:10
Comparing Bush with Hitler?

moot point:

Hitler was part jew, bush is just a puppet of them

Find the man who pulls Bush's strings and compare HIM to hitler
Anikdote
08-04-2008, 20:12
Move along,nothing to see here,just more crack pot bullshit from tinfoil wearing fucktards.

stupid moonbat mother fuckers. >:(

Anyone who thinks 9/11 was a inside job is a ****, a loon, a wackjob of the highest order, the poor sap who made that U-tube spot is a sad little man,I bet he thinks the moonlandings was filmed at Paramont studios. LOL.


Spot fucking on mate.
Neo Bretonnia
08-04-2008, 20:13
stupid moonbat mother fuckers. >:(


Moonbat???

That's awesome. I'm totally gonna start using that...
VietnamSounds
08-04-2008, 20:14
This thread is funny.
Ohio Dominican
08-04-2008, 20:15
How can you even compare Hitler and Bush? Hitler engaged in MASS GENOCIDE!!! It doesn't matter how evil a person or how bad a president Bush is, he hasn't crossed that line, and until he does, there can be no comparison.
BrightonBurg
08-04-2008, 20:15
Last I checked Bush wasn't commiting genocide or invanding Poland.


Agreed..but to the Bush haters, Iraq and Afganistain IS Genocide, caused by Bsuh,and :cues darth vader march : BIG OIL

Ahhhhhhhhhh!

Good think these nuts are fringe group ;D
Hachihyaku
08-04-2008, 20:16
Especially since Bush never invaded Poland.

But he did invade several other countries :rolleyes:
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 20:16
But he did invade several other countries :rolleyes:

So did Hitler. But Bush didn't invade Poland.

Stop talking about Poland!

Is there some kind of law about Poland?
Neo Bretonnia
08-04-2008, 20:18
So did Hitler. But Bush didn't invade Poland.



Is there some kind of law about Poland?

I don't think a war can be considered official until Poland gets invaded...
Kirchensittenbach
08-04-2008, 20:18
How can you even compare Hitler and Bush? Hitler engaged in MASS GENOCIDE!!! It doesn't matter how evil a person or how bad a president Bush is, he hasn't crossed that line, and until he does, there can be no comparison.

oh Yeah, that America wants the world to cry about some 4000 US troops who died in the war, when what,. 90,000 iraqis are dead too?

Genocide anyone?
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 20:18
Last I checked Bush wasn't commiting genocide or invanding Poland.
:cool:
BrightonBurg
08-04-2008, 20:18
Spot fucking on mate.


Thanks, I try to call it like I see it, needless to say, my salty word wins me few freinds ;)
Guibou
08-04-2008, 20:23
I don't think a war can be considered official until Poland gets invaded...

LMAO.
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 20:23
I don't think a war can be considered official until Poland gets invaded...

A leader who invades Poland is a leader who will stand the test of time.
Mad hatters in jeans
08-04-2008, 20:25
So did Hitler. But Bush didn't invade Poland.



Is there some kind of law about Poland?

No but just stop mentioning Poland as if it's Hitler's climax of evil events. You could have picked, Bringing in Conscription, using propaganda on people in school, using false accounts of events, his anti-sematic policies before WW2 and the Holocaust, effectively banning Communism from Germany, Allowing the deaths of disabled people and anyone who disagreed with Hitler, Remilitarising the Rhineland, Intervening in Spain, taking over Austria (he tried twice!), taking over the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia, using the Gestapo and other secret police to shut the public into silence and obedience.
But nnoooo it had to be Poland.

arrg i should have stayed out of this thread.
BrightonBurg
08-04-2008, 20:25
Also,before someone attacks me for being a 100% Bush, guy wrong again,but to compair Hilter to Bush, shows me a grasp of no knowledge of 20th century History, come on, Bush was almost taken out by the fucking pretzel ok? not the mark of pure evil.

MUAHAHAHAAAA
BrightonBurg
08-04-2008, 20:27
oh Yeah, that America wants the world to cry about some 4000 US troops who died in the war, when what,. 90,000 iraqis are dead too?

Genocide anyone?


Think you MIGHT want to blame Saddam for that one, Yes? or the UN for letting that duchebag run wild in the 90's
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 20:29
No but just stop mentioning Poland as if it's Hitler's climax of evil events.

I didn't claim Poland was any sort of climax.
I only said Bush hasn't yet invaded Poland.
It's a ridiculous thread on a ridiculous topic, what do you want me to do? Invade Poland?
Knights of Liberty
08-04-2008, 20:30
Comparing Bush with Hitler?

moot point:

Hitler was part jew, bush is just a puppet of them

Find the man who pulls Bush's strings and compare HIM to hitler

:rolleyes:

You dropped your swastika patch over there bud.


Anyway, on topic. Loose Change (where this clip is from) is retarded.
Mad hatters in jeans
08-04-2008, 20:31
I didn't claim Poland was any sort of climax.
I only said Bush hasn't yet invaded Poland.

I know, but Poland isn't the only Nazi theme that can be used to compare Bush and Hitler. There's loads of other things he did.
The Parkus Empire
08-04-2008, 20:34
I faintly recollect an old thread....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485402
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 20:35
I know, but Poland isn't the only Nazi theme that can be used to compare Bush and Hitler. There's loads of other things he did.

I to understand that while Hitler was losing the war, his troops were forced to retreat from Poland, as well.
BrightonBurg
08-04-2008, 20:35
The true master mind of 9/11


http://www.kale.com/buckkale/barney.jpg


makes about as much sence as the tinfoil hat crowds excuses.
Guibou
08-04-2008, 20:35
I faintly recollect an old thread....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485402

So that means we can lock this thread now?
The Parkus Empire
08-04-2008, 20:36
So that means we can lock this thread now?

The linked thread?
Guibou
08-04-2008, 20:41
The linked thread?

No, this one, the one I'm actually wasting time on. But I have a lot to waste.
[NS]Rolling squid
08-04-2008, 20:47
ya know what the biggest disprover of these theories is? The people who made them are still alive. Because an organization powerful and evil enough to kill thousands of its own people for oil, and keep the whole thing a complete secret is un-able to find the person who made/posted this, kill them and remove the video?
Trotskylvania
08-04-2008, 20:48
I think the Boondocks has a relevant comic.

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/1boondocks.gif
RhynoD
08-04-2008, 20:56
GODWIN'S LAW. /THREAD
BrightonBurg
08-04-2008, 20:57
I think the Boondocks has a relevant comic.

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/1boondocks.gif


Boondocks is / was to the far left, that comic re-tells the same old lie, President Bush was not properly elected, Mr.Bush was elected via the Electoral College, which is how the President is elected, Al Gore,and his crew need to let that shit go, it was 7 years ago, get a damn grip.
Trotskylvania
08-04-2008, 21:02
Boondocks is / was to the far left, that comic re-tells the same old lie, President Bush was not properly elected, Mr.Bush was elected via the Electoral College, which is how the President is elected, Al Gore,and his crew need to let that shit go, it was 7 years ago, get a damn grip.

As someone who makes Aaron MacGruder look like William F. Buckley Jr, you don't need to tell me where the Boondocks stands on most issues.

Perhaps you're forgetting The Massive, blatant election fraud in Florida

You know, like 50,000 blacks purged from the voting rolls illegally, knowing full well that 75 percent of them would vote Democratic. Or the fact that some counties registered more Republican votes than there were registered voters in the country. Or in others where voter registration was 75 percent in favor of the Democratic Party, yet somehow 75 percent of the voters voted Republican.
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 21:09
Boondocks is / was to the far left, that comic re-tells the same old lie, President Bush was not properly elected, Mr.Bush was elected via the Electoral College, which is how the President is elected, Al Gore,and his crew need to let that shit go, it was 7 years ago, get a damn grip.

1) See the enormous font above.
2) Besides, I don't think Hitler wasn't elected into a position where he was able to invade Poland.
3) And I really doubt Boondocks is far left.
Skinny87
08-04-2008, 21:14
Comparing Bush with Hitler?

moot point:

Hitler was part jew, bush is just a puppet of them

Find the man who pulls Bush's strings and compare HIM to hitler

AHAHAHAHAHA

Oh god...oh god. I thought this was just a rumour on the forums, but you actually believe in The Grand Jewish Conspiracy (TM), don't you? That the Jews control the governments and the media and such and so forth?
Knights of Liberty
08-04-2008, 21:16
AHAHAHAHAHA

Oh god...oh god. I thought this was just a rumour on the forums, but you actually believe in The Grand Jewish Conspiracy (TM), don't you? That the Jews control the governments and the media and such and so forth?

Yes, he does. He also thinks all blacks are criminals and gays should be rounded up and stoned.
SeathorniaII
08-04-2008, 21:24
I lolled about ten seconds in.

Lusitania was a passenger ship that was carrying weapons. It was only the correct thing of the Germans to do to sink it, but it certainly wasn't planned as an excuse to enter the war.

Pearl harbor certainly wasn't planned by the US government either and was also a rightful excuse to enter WWII.

Didn't really go any further than that.
RhynoD
08-04-2008, 21:26
I lolled about ten seconds in.

Lusitania was a passenger ship that was carrying weapons. It was only the correct thing of the Germans to do to sink it, but it certainly wasn't planned as an excuse to enter the war.

Pearl harbor certainly wasn't planned by the US government either and was also a rightful excuse to enter WWII.

Didn't really go any further than that.

Interestingly enough, the Germans didn't know the Lusitania had weapons: they didn't particularly care, either. They sank it to prove a point. They may have suspected, but really, they sank it for the lulz.
Tmutarakhan
08-04-2008, 21:27
Hitler did other nasty stuff besides invading Poland, e.g. Taking the Sudetenland, intervening in the Spanish civil war, effectively ending the voting process.
But Bush never took the Sudetenland either, and he never intervened in any Spanish civil war, and he never... er, never mind.
Vetalia
08-04-2008, 21:27
Until somebody can show me the Auschwitz or Dachau and the millions of innocent people murdered in death camps for no other reason than being a different race...I'm going to call BS.

Hell, LBJ basically blows W out of the water when it comes to warmongering.
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 21:28
But Bush never took the Sudetenland either, and he never intervened in any Spanish civil war, and he never... er, never mind.

One out of four ain't bad.
Knights of Liberty
08-04-2008, 21:29
Until somebody can show me the Auschwitz or Dachau and the millions of innocent people murdered in death camps for no other reason than being a different race...I'm going to call BS.

Hell, LBJ basically blows W out of the water when it comes to warmongering.

One war vs two and trying for a third? I call ignorance.


There is the matter of our secret torture prisons. Maybe not extermination camps, but Id say having seceret torture prisions where you send people without a trial are not great either.
SeathorniaII
08-04-2008, 21:31
Interestingly enough, the Germans didn't know the Lusitania had weapons: they didn't particularly care, either. They sank it to prove a point. They may have suspected, but really, they sank it for the lulz.

Are you saying that the Kaiser was an early Anon?
Vetalia
08-04-2008, 21:35
One war vs two and trying for a third? I call ignorance.

You mean that ten-year war that killed well over 4 million soldiers and civilians on both sides, wounded at least another 2.5 million (of which 58,000 dead and 305,000 wounded were US troops), cost $700 billion dollars (and that's with the much less cost-intensive military forces of the 1960's) and saw 3 million Americans serve as a result of a draft? Yeah, Afghanistan and Iraq are clearly equal...Vietnam was a much smaller conflict. Minor compared to these two, in fact.

And you haven't seen weak pretext for a war until you've seen the Gulf of Tonkin..."incident". At least WMDs are a plausible threat.
Trotskylvania
08-04-2008, 21:36
One war vs two and trying for a third? I call ignorance.


There is the matter of our secret torture prisons. Maybe not extermination camps, but Id say having seceret torture prisions where you send people without a trial are not great either.

Well, LBJ had COINTELPRO and 2 million dead Vietnamese civilians to his name, so I think he's still ahead, but not by much.
Dragonicale
08-04-2008, 21:37
Anyone who thinks 9/11 is a very gullible person. Guess how many conspiracy were there? JFK assasination by CIA? The government already knew about Pearl Harbor Attack? This list goes on and on, and did you know NEWS only show this to get TV ratings? You guys need to stop believing everything the media tells you and do some research on your own.


Hitler wasn't intelligent, he was just lucky, he luckily guessed that French wouldn't intefere when he took Sudetenland, he made a lot of his decisions from his emotions. If he didn't change his order (which was to destroy RAF bases). He would have won against Britain. Just because a couple of bombers went into Germany and dropped 5 pounds of explosives, he changed his order from attacking the weakening RAF to London, which gave RAF time to recover. Not to mention Russia, why the hell did he just randomly attack Stalingrad? The only uses there were oil but the Russians would have used their Scorched Earth Policy. According to his officers, historians, etc Hitler's real main reason to attack it was cause it had Stalin in its name..... Bush isn't the smartest guy on earth but at least he doesn't try to attack someone thats ten times his strength.
RhynoD
08-04-2008, 21:38
Are you saying that the Kaiser was an early Anon?

So was Julius Caesar.
BrightonBurg
08-04-2008, 21:38
As someone who makes Aaron MacGruder look like William F. Buckley Jr, you don't need to tell me where the Boondocks stands on most issues.

Perhaps you're forgetting The Massive, blatant election fraud in Florida

You know, like 50,000 blacks purged from the voting rolls illegally, knowing full well that 75 percent of them would vote Democratic. Or the fact that some counties registered more Republican votes than there were registered voters in the country. Or in others where voter registration was 75 percent in favor of the Democratic Party, yet somehow 75 percent of the voters voted Republican.


Oh,you mean the recounting in the inner-cty areas only, the keeping of voting polls beyond the closing time, yes there was voter fraud,but from the DNC, every vote has been recounted,over,and over 15 ways from Sunday, and Bush still wins Florida, perhaps if Al Gore,won his own damn homestate first, THEN he might have won, like I said, Bush won in 2000, get over it, take a bite of the 2008 apple. the Democrats have two canidates to the left of Engles running. lol


I dont know why people still harp on this, its been disproven over and over again, only the Tinfoil crew keeps going back to the selected not elected BS
Trotskylvania
08-04-2008, 21:42
Oh,you mean the recounting in the inner-cty areas only, the keeping a voting polls beyond the closing time, yes there was voter fraud,but from the DNC, every vote has been recounted,over,and over 15 ways from Sunday, and Bush still wins Florida, perhaps if Al Gore,won his own damn homestate first, THEN he might have won, like I said, Bush won in 2000, get over it, take a bite of the 2008 apple. the Democrats have two canidates to the left of Engles running. lol

You make me laugh

The recounts were haulted by the Florida Secretary of State, a Republican hack. And the US Supreme Court overruled the Florida Supreme Court, ending the recounts prematurely.

And a recount cannot fix people being purged from the voting roles, and votes being illegally destroyed. Bush won because he had buddies in all the right places. Get over it.

EDIT: And it wasn't disproven. It was swept under the rug. The charges never saw the light of day in the mainstream media. They were dismissed automatically.
New Malachite Square
08-04-2008, 21:44
Anyone who thinks 9/11 is a very gullible person.
:)
the Democrats have two canidates to the left of Engles running.
:confused: I believe, judging by your description of Boondocks eariler, that you have 'leftism' confused with 'centrism'. It's okay, so do a lot of people.
Vetalia
08-04-2008, 21:44
Anyone who thinks 9/11 is a very gullible person. Guess how many conspiracy were there? JFK assasination by CIA? The government already knew about Pearl Harbor Attack? This list goes on and on, and did you know NEWS only show this to get TV ratings? You guys need to stop believing everything the media tells you and do some research on your own..

Yet the independent research also confirms the facts of the 9/11 case... a group of men that were part of the terrorist organization Al Qaeda hijacked airplanes and crashed them in to various targets within the United States. The US did have some preemptive evidence dating back to the Clinton administration and planning but in the span between these initial concerns and the attacks little was done to prepare for such a contingency.
RhynoD
08-04-2008, 21:47
I blame the body thetans. They took over the Al Qaeda members.
Vetalia
08-04-2008, 21:49
I blame the body thetans. They took over the Al Qaeda members.

Hmm...they did say Xenu was imprisoned in a mountain fortress just like our boy OBL.
Trotskylvania
08-04-2008, 21:51
Hmm...they did say Xenu was imprisoned in a mountain fortress just like our boy OBL.

...COINCIDENCE????
Mad hatters in jeans
08-04-2008, 21:52
Hmm...they did say Xenu was imprisoned in a mountain fortress just like our boy OBL.

:confused: Osama Bin Laden?
RhynoD
08-04-2008, 21:54
...COINCIDENCE????

Bin Laden is working for Xenu. We gotta get to OT8 so we can read his mind and find out where he is.
The South Islands
08-04-2008, 21:55
This thread fails so hard it ended up in China.
RhynoD
08-04-2008, 21:56
This thread fails so hard it ended up in China.

That's just your thetans talking! I bet you're a spy for Xenu.
Mad hatters in jeans
08-04-2008, 21:58
That's just your thetans talking! I bet you're a spy for Xenu.

wait isn't Xenu meant to be the saviour of...of those people who are not enlightened, or something?
:confused:
Ah i mean isn't Xenu meant to be the scientology God sort of idea?
On a different note, how is China a bad place for a thread?
RhynoD
08-04-2008, 22:06
They'll put the thread to use in sweat shops making crappy shoes.

But no, Xenu is more like Satan. He killed a bunch of people and whatnot.

Beliefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_beliefs_and_practices)
Xenu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu)
Trotskylvania
08-04-2008, 22:18
Xenu always reminds me of Desu, and you know what that means...

http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/thumb/9/97/Needs_moar_desu.jpg/600px-Needs_moar_desu.jpg
RhynoD
08-04-2008, 22:25
I prefer this chick:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa82/slate255/shion.jpg




Shion laughs at your desu.
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/ug0e6194-87c.gif
Trotskylvania
08-04-2008, 22:33
Don't make me Rule 34 you...

http://blog.koehntopp.de/uploads/rule-34.jpg



Wonderful threadjack...
Kriona
08-04-2008, 22:36
You mean that ten-year war that killed well over 4 million soldiers and civilians on both sides, wounded at least another 2.5 million (of which 58,000 dead and 305,000 wounded were US troops), cost $700 billion dollars (and that's with the much less cost-intensive military forces of the 1960's) and saw 3 million Americans serve as a result of a draft? Yeah, Afghanistan and Iraq are clearly equal...Vietnam was a much smaller conflict. Minor compared to these two, in fact.

And you haven't seen weak pretext for a war until you've seen the Gulf of Tonkin..."incident". At least WMDs are a plausible threat.

yes, Weapons of Mass Destruction that did not exist, and also, wasn't the invasion originally to find Osama Bin-Laden?? where is he? why hasn't he been executed yet?
Intangelon
09-04-2008, 02:36
Using false pretenses for war:

BUSH/CHENEY, yes. HITLER/GOERING, yes.

And that's the only comparison even worth examining a little bit. I am always leery of those who so quickly leap to Nazis for analogies. It shows a lack of perspective and understanding.

False pretenses for war are as old as war itself. Even Douglas Adams saw that:

The history of warfare has goes through three distinct phases as well: those of retribution, anticipation and diplomacy. Hence, retribution: "I'm going to kill you because you killed my brother." Anticipation: "I'm going to kill you because I killed your brother." And Diplomacy: "I'm going to kill my brother and then kill you on the pretext that your brother did it."
Non Aligned States
09-04-2008, 02:52
Think you MIGHT want to blame Saddam for that one, Yes? or the UN for letting that duchebag run wild in the 90's

The Baath party, and Saddam, was brought to power in iraq by US intervention. The US has a habit of turning small problems into big problems and then pretending those matching fingerprints are not theirs when it bites them in the ass.
Belkaros
09-04-2008, 02:58
Until Bush invades Poland, any comparison is moot.

*cough* Iraq and Afganistan *cough*
Corneliu 2
09-04-2008, 03:05
A war is not a war until France surrenders :D

With that obligatory statement out of the way:

This thread is made of phail.
[NS]Click Stand
09-04-2008, 03:17
*cough* Iraq and Afganistan *cough*

I don't see how Iraq is anything like Poland, they don't even speak the same language!

On topic: I don't see how Bush is anything like Hitler, he didn't even invade Poland.
Tmutarakhan
09-04-2008, 05:01
The Baath party, and Saddam, was brought to power in iraq by US intervention.
That is not just false, it is anti-true (very near to the direct opposite of true).
Wilgrove
09-04-2008, 05:24
As someone who makes Aaron MacGruder look like William F. Buckley Jr, you don't need to tell me where the Boondocks stands on most issues.

Perhaps you're forgetting The Massive, blatant election fraud in Florida

You know, like 50,000 blacks purged from the voting rolls illegally, knowing full well that 75 percent of them would vote Democratic. Or the fact that some counties registered more Republican votes than there were registered voters in the country. Or in others where voter registration was 75 percent in favor of the Democratic Party, yet somehow 75 percent of the voters voted Republican.

Now you'll be providing proof for this right? Proof that didn't come from the following sources?


Left Wing Blog
Left Wing News Source
Supermarket Tabloids
Moveon.org
Sites like The New Black Panther Party sites
Conspiracy Theories sites.


Right?
New Manvir
09-04-2008, 05:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12pwkeVk7B8

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Very interesting to say the least.

I got about 10 seconds in and then closed it after the guy said 9/11 was staged...
Trotskylvania
09-04-2008, 05:45
Now you'll be providing proof for this right? Proof that didn't come from the following sources?


Left Wing Blog
Left Wing News Source
Supermarket Tabloids
Moveon.org
Sites like The New Black Panther Party sites
Conspiracy Theories sites.


Right?

So apparently we on the Left have no right to be journalists then? This seems to be your criteria. Because we are leftists, our opinions have no value, and any facts we report are automatically suspect.

I'm not going to knuckle under to your idiotic request.
New Malachite Square
09-04-2008, 05:52
*cough* Iraq and Afganistan *cough*

Last time I checked, I didn't think either Iraq or Afganistan was Poland.
I admit that international politics is a tricky business, and I could be mistaken on this point.

A war is not a war until France surrenders :D

I don't think a war can be considered official until Poland gets invaded...

I see there are two schools of thought on the matter.
Wilgrove
09-04-2008, 05:57
So apparently we on the Left have no right to be journalists then? This seems to be your criteria. Because we are leftists, our opinions have no value, and any facts we report are automatically suspect.

I'm not going to knuckle under to your idiotic request.

It's just that when people accuse Bush and his cronies of voter fraud, preventing people from voting etc. they always quote some leftist news source that is as biased as Rush Limbaugh or Fox News. I'm sorry if I want my news source to be as unbiased as possible.
Vetalia
09-04-2008, 06:09
yes, Weapons of Mass Destruction that did not exist, and also, wasn't the invasion originally to find Osama Bin-Laden?? where is he? why hasn't he been executed yet?

Beats me. I guess our intelligence is just than inept.
Trotskylvania
09-04-2008, 06:09
It's just that when people accuse Bush and his cronies of voter fraud, preventing people from voting etc. they always quote some leftist news source that is as biased as Rush Limbaugh or Fox News. I'm sorry if I want my news source to be as unbiased as possible.

Objectivity and a lack of bias are impossible. That's why there are things called fact checking. The mainstream media does not dispute the claims made by left alternative media because that would bring them to the attention of the masses. It is better to ignore a story that threatens your corporate and political benefactors than it is to squash it.
New Malachite Square
09-04-2008, 06:15
Objectivity and a lack of bias are impossible. That's why there are things called fact checking. The mainstream media does not dispute the claims made by left alternative media because that would bring them to the attention of the masses. It is better to ignore a story that threatens your corporate and political benefactors than it is to squash it.

The best test of truth is the right-wing media not covering a story, har har.
Wilgrove
09-04-2008, 06:26
Objectivity and a lack of bias are impossible. That's why there are things called fact checking. The mainstream media does not dispute the claims made by left alternative media because that would bring them to the attention of the masses. It is better to ignore a story that threatens your corporate and political benefactors than it is to squash it.

So your argument is "Mainstream media doesn't touch it because it'll threaten their power base?"
Straughn
09-04-2008, 06:43
It's funny how bush can be an idiot and a monky buffoon and yet be an ebil mastermind at the same time. :rolleyes:
For the last fucking time.
He's stupid and evil. NOT an "ebil mastermind". The only arguable "mastery" he's working on is ....



...



....wait for it ...


I'm the master of low expectations.
—aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003
Trotskylvania
09-04-2008, 07:23
So your argument is "Mainstream media doesn't touch it because it'll threaten their power base?"

That's not all of it.

Check out Manufacturing Consent by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. You'll see what I'm getting at.

The mainstream media is overwhelmingly reliant on official, government resources, for one. That is another a major problem, and the book covers that in depth.
Wilgrove
09-04-2008, 07:31
That's not all of it.

Check out Manufacturing Consent by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. You'll see what I'm getting at.

The mainstream media is overwhelmingly reliant on official, government resources, for one. That is another a major problem, and the book covers that in depth.

The more you explain this the more it sounds like a Conspiracy theory, and I take those with a grain of salt.
Trotskylvania
09-04-2008, 07:34
The more you explain this the more it sounds like a Conspiracy theory, and I take those with a grain of salt.

Just what the fuck is the bright line between a *gasp* Conspiracy Theory!!!, and a realization that certain groups will collude for material self-interest?

I offered you a well researched, peer reviewed book as testament to why the media serves to ignore certain abuses. Take it or leave it.
Firstistan
09-04-2008, 07:34
*reads OP*


Where do we get these wonderful trolls?
Firstistan
09-04-2008, 07:35
Just what the fuck is the bright line between a *gasp* Conspiracy Theory!!!, and a realization that certain groups will collude for material self-interest?


The bright line is when you realize that the guy who wrote the book is colluding for material self-interest, too. Just with someone else.
Wilgrove
09-04-2008, 07:38
Just what the fuck is the bright line between a *gasp* Conspiracy Theory!!!, and a realization that certain groups will collude for material self-interest?

I offered you a well researched, peer reviewed book as testament to why the media serves to ignore certain abuses. Take it or leave it.

and yet, nothing on the fabled voter fraud in Florida in the 2000 election that comes from a respectable news source...

Yea, you got nothing, bye.
Firstistan
09-04-2008, 07:40
Disenfranchisement in Florida?

For a minute I thought you were talking about the 2008 Democratic Primary.
But that would include Michigan, too.
Straughn
09-04-2008, 07:42
Disenfranchisement in Florida?

For a minute I thought you were talking about the 2008 Democratic Primary.
But that would include Michigan, too.Perhaps you need to familiarize yourself with Katherine Harris.
http://cockingasnook.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/kharris-on-horse.jpg
Here's a hint.
Trotskylvania
09-04-2008, 07:42
and yet, nothing on the fabled voter fraud in Florida in the 2000 election that comes from a respectable news source...

Yea, you got nothing, bye.

So in other words, the "respectable" corporate media gets to be the definer of truth. How Orwellian...
Gauthier
09-04-2008, 07:46
Comparisons of Bush to Hitler fail on another principle:

Hitler took a Germany that was crippled by depression and the unfair reparations forced upon it by the Treaty of Versailles, and transformed the nation into an economic and military powerhouse that could not be stopped until the Allies got their acts together in WW2.

Bush took a United States an economic and military powerhouse and is almost done running it into the ground like every other business he was ever placed in charge of. He took a budget surplus and miraculously transformed it into a deficit faster than you could slap on a negative sign, and has quagmired the United States military in two Middle East fronts leaving its strength spread out and vulnerable to insurgent tactics. Not to mention alienate a good deal of the international community with his coke-snorting booze-binging cowboy My Way or the Highway attitude on foreign policy.

Hitler was a much more competent leader than Bush.
Straughn
09-04-2008, 07:48
Comparisons of Bush to Hitler fail on another principle:

Hitler took a Germany that was crippled by depression and the unfair reparations forced upon it by the Treaty of Versailles, and transformed the nation into an economic and military powerhouse that could not be stopped until the Allies got their acts together in WW2.

Bush took a United States an economic and military powerhouse and is almost done running it into the ground like every other business he was ever placed in charge of. He took a budget surplus and miraculously transformed it into a deficit faster than you could slap on a negative sign, and has quagmired the United States military in two Middle East fronts leaving its strength spread out and vulnerable to insurgent tactics. Not to mention alienate a good deal of the international community with his coke-snorting booze-binging cowboy My Way or the Highway attitude on foreign policy.

Hitler was a much more competent leader than Bush.

Well, all that's fancy & all, but who would you rather have a drink with? Inattentive voters and poll-takers want to know.

For lack of drink, perhaps coke.
Wilgrove
09-04-2008, 07:50
So in other words, the "respectable" corporate media gets to be the definer of truth. How Orwellian...

At least with the "respectable" news source, you can actually check their sources. With Jimmy's Leftist Blog News, he can say that the President raped Al Gore in Florida in a voting Booth in Orlando. He can even edit it to make it look like that, but he doesn't has to provide sources, and that is why I want a respectable news source.
Trotskylvania
09-04-2008, 07:53
At least with the "respectable" news source, you can actually check their sources. With Jimmy's Leftist Blog News, he can say that the President raped Al Gore in Florida in a voting Booth in Orlando. He can even edit it to make it look like that, but he doesn't has to provide sources, and that is why I want a respectable news source.

You can check Zmag's sources. As with any of the other leftist media sources. They are journalists no less than any mainstream media journalist. I'm not talking about blogs. And even blogs can have a considerable degree of credibility. Like AlterNet, for instance.
Wilgrove
09-04-2008, 07:54
You can check Zmag's sources. As with any of the other leftist media sources. They are journalists no less than any mainstream media journalist. I'm not talking about blogs. And even blogs can have a considerable degree of credibility. Like AlterNet, for instance.

I'm sorry but they're just too biased for my taste. If it makes you feel any better, I don't visit right wing news source either. I go straight down the middle.
Firstistan
09-04-2008, 07:55
Perhaps you need to familiarize yourself with Katherine Harris.


And the comedy goes screaming over Straughn's head.

Hey, if the Dems don't seat the FL and MI delegates, they'll have disenfranchised the entire Democratic voter rolls for two states. That beats 9 kinds of hell out of anything the Republicans ever did or could do.

Not that it'll matter... I'm sure they'll make up the difference come the general election, what with all the people registered in two or more states, plus the standard graveyard caucuses.
Firstistan
09-04-2008, 07:57
There just aren't that many credible news outlets left since due diligence died.
Straughn
09-04-2008, 08:01
And the comedy goes screaming over Straughn's head.Erm, no. The comedy was on the horse, and in your blithe response. Certainly you couldn't consider yourself humorous by intent?
You should attempt so subtly to make humor out of situations like that in the future, people like your type around here.
Raise your hand next time you need it explained to you, or come up with a catchier name for the people who will so happily and rightfully mock you, sweetie. :)
That beats 9 kinds of hell out of anything the Republicans ever did or could do.Protesteth much?
Magdha
09-04-2008, 08:04
The Baath party, and Saddam, was brought to power in Iraq by US intervention.

Proof?

(Note: I'm not disputing what you're saying, I'm only curious.)
Straughn
09-04-2008, 08:05
Proof?

(Note: I'm not disputing what you're saying, I'm only curious.)

You know, Firstistan probably has some knee-slapping hilarity about how all that started. Madcap, zany humor that the commoner just can't grasp.
Dontgonearthere
09-04-2008, 08:05
I really do love it when people talk about 'illigal wars', as if there's such a thing as a 'legal' war.

Frankly, I dont see why anybody takes this conspiracy crap seriously. But I guess if people can believe in 75,000,000 year old DC-8's and Wyoming, they'll believe in anything.
Magdha
09-04-2008, 08:06
The more you explain this the more it sounds like a Conspiracy theory, and I take those with a grain of salt.

At least give Trotskylvania's book a look. You may not agree with it, but at least read it with an open mind, regardless of the ideology of the author.
Straughn
09-04-2008, 08:08
But I guess if people can believe in 75,000,000 year old DC-8's and Wyoming, they'll believe in anything.
I don't BELIEVE IN Wyoming, but i am aware of its nagging, irritating presence and septic political influence in my world.
Trotskylvania
09-04-2008, 08:08
Proof?

(Note: I'm not disputing what you're saying, I'm only curious.)

If I remember correctly, it was because the current Iraqi government was too cozy with the Soviet Bloc, so the US supported the Ba'ath opposition in true Machiavellian fashion. I think William Blum touched upon this in his book Rogue State
Magdha
09-04-2008, 08:08
It's just that when people accuse Bush and his cronies of voter fraud, preventing people from voting etc. they always quote some leftist news source that is as biased as Rush Limbaugh or Fox News. I'm sorry if I want my news source to be as unbiased as possible.

No source is completely free of bias. Do what I do and read sources from left, center, and right perspectives, and draw your own conclusions.
Firstistan
09-04-2008, 08:08
You know, Firstistan probably has some knee-slapping hilarity about how all that started. Madcap, zany humor that the commoner just can't grasp.


Next time I'll just say "Git 'er done" so I'm sure I'm talking on your intellectual level.
Magdha
09-04-2008, 08:09
If I remember correctly, it was because the current Iraqi government was too cozy with the Soviet Bloc, so the US supported the Ba'ath opposition in true Machiavellian fashion. I think William Blum touched upon this in his book Rogue State

I'll check that out. Thanks.

To be fair, though, Saddam was also fairly cozy with the Soviet bloc. The U.S.S.R. was Iraq's number one supplier of military hardware during the Iran-Iraq War.
Trotskylvania
09-04-2008, 08:12
I'll check that out. Thanks.

To be fair, though, Saddam was also fairly cozy with the Soviet bloc. The U.S.S.R. was Iraq's number one supplier of military hardware during the Iran-Iraq War.

Saddam was very adept at playing both sides of the aisle at different stages. I think the coziest relationship with the US, though, was during the Iran-Iraq war, in which the US sold chemical weapons to Iraq so that they could leverage an advantage on Axis of Evil Number 1 Iran.
greed and death
09-04-2008, 08:13
Comparisons of Bush to Hitler fail on another principle:

Hitler took a Germany that was crippled by depression and the unfair reparations forced upon it by the Treaty of Versailles, and transformed the nation into an economic and military powerhouse that could not be stopped until the Allies got their acts together in WW2.

Bush took a United States an economic and military powerhouse and is almost done running it into the ground like every other business he was ever placed in charge of. He took a budget surplus and miraculously transformed it into a deficit faster than you could slap on a negative sign, and has quagmired the United States military in two Middle East fronts leaving its strength spread out and vulnerable to insurgent tactics. Not to mention alienate a good deal of the international community with his coke-snorting booze-binging cowboy My Way or the Highway attitude on foreign policy.

Hitler was a much more competent leader than Bush.


Hitler really didn't do anything economic for Germany. yeah he put everyone to work by drafting anyone who was unemployed, but if he didn't have war time rations inflation would have made what ever he paid them worthless. Also he didn't have reparations because the US had bailed Germany out in the 20's by loaning them enough money to pay them off to the UK and France and then giving Germany very favorable loan terms(60+ years) as well as favorable trade terms (so they make money to pay the Us banks off)

Bush we are in a war so it is supposed to be a deficit. yeah economy wise bush is going the wrong way. interest rates need to be raised so investment rather then rabid consumerism works. But Clinton did the same thing low interest rates hoping it would temporarily spur the economy on and get gore elected. Afghanistan is not in the middle east it is in central Asia big difference in cultures, also they were harboring someone that attacked us very justified. yeah Iraq it is crap.
Firstistan
09-04-2008, 08:25
the US sold chemical weapons to Iraq so
In the strictest sense, the US sold dual-use chemicals to Iraq. What Iraq chose to do with them is up to them

(Remember, dual-use chemicals are NOT Chemical weapons, according to the anti-war community.)

In fact, they also imported dual use chemicals from Germany (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html) and chemical weapons from Yugoslavia. (http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2002nn/0211nn/021124nn.htm#315)
Magdha
09-04-2008, 08:27
Saddam was very adept at playing both sides of the aisle at different stages.

Yes. In the field of diplomacy, he was very pragmatic.

I think the coziest relationship with the US, though, was during the Iran-Iraq war, in which the US sold chemical weapons to Iraq so that they could leverage an advantage on Axis of Evil Number 1 Iran.

While the U.S. provided fairly extensive support, by no means was it in favor of Saddam or his regime. Many U.S. officials lamented in private that the ideal outcome would be Iraq and Iran destroying each other.
Risottia
09-04-2008, 10:32
Until Bush invades Poland, any comparison is moot.

And the Sudeten. Don't forget the Sudeten... hey! What are those countries where Bush wants to place the antimissile defence system...

Seriously, lol.
Corneliu 2
09-04-2008, 12:29
And the Sudeten. Don't forget the Sudeten... hey! What are those countries where Bush wants to place the antimissile defence system...

Seriously, lol.

And let us not forget a small portion of Lithuania with Memelland (aka Klaipėda)
Andaluciae
09-04-2008, 13:37
If I remember correctly, it was because the current Iraqi government was too cozy with the Soviet Bloc, so the US supported the Ba'ath opposition in true Machiavellian fashion. I think William Blum touched upon this in his book Rogue State

Blum is just wrong on that one. Not every single coup d'etat initiated against a "leftist" was sponsored by the US and the CIA, and this is one of the cases when it was not, especially given that the ideals Ba'ath supports are directly antithetical to virtually every US interest. socialism and Pan-Arab nationalism are the keystones on which Ba'athism rests.

Further, one might expect a little bit of reciprocation from a new Ba'ath government in Iraq, but there was none at all. They went straight into the Soviet camp, and were so alienated from the US, that even with Iran-Iraq war arms shipments, the US was providing less than one percent of Iraqi weapons, and was outdistanced by such arms producing powerhouses as Brazil and Egypt. :rolleyes:

Our relations with Iraq have always been grim, even when there were "enemy of my enemy" thaws.
Hydesland
09-04-2008, 13:42
That was possibly one of the worst videos I have ever seen.
Andaluciae
09-04-2008, 13:47
Saddam was very adept at playing both sides of the aisle at different stages. I think the coziest relationship with the US, though, was during the Iran-Iraq war, in which the US sold chemical weapons to Iraq so that they could leverage an advantage on Axis of Evil Number 1 Iran.

Once again, you're exaggerating the American closeness to the Hussein regime, which was nowhere near "cozy". The US did not sell chemical weapons to Iraq, and, while there was a degree of dual use technology exported to said country, most of it was in the form of computers, or samples that were actually used for medical purposes.

In fact, the Iraqi chemical weapons program was essentially, entirely indigenous. The DIA issued a report in 1980 regarding how the program had been underway for several years, well before we would have had the incentive to become involved in their program.

The most direct involvement, though, came when the US provided the Iraqis with targeting information on Iranian facilities that were later hit by chemical weapons. That's as involved as the US got with that program.
The mad filthy undead
09-04-2008, 14:41
Move along,nothing to see here,just more crack pot bullshit from tinfoil wearing fucktards.

stupid moonbat mother fuckers. >:(

Anyone who thinks 9/11 was a inside job is a ****, a loon, a wackjob of the highest order, the poor sap who made that U-tube spot is a sad little man,I bet he thinks the moonlandings was filmed at Paramont studios. LOL.

Funny,these people who are so blinded by hate of Bush,what will these people do when Bush is gone? who will they hate? it seems to make up a large part of their minor lives.

Goddamned, what is wrong with you faggot? :headbang:
Don't you have nothing more to offer in a discussion than insulting people who share not your retarded opinion with all the swearwords you heard in your kindergarten?
Concluding on what have writen above, you are a person who prefers to suck the foul, rotten milk of manipulative missinformation out of the shriveled tits of neo-conservative massmedia corporations without even thinking a second about what blatant lies they try to sell to you.

Besides, I think you have a really, really small wiener.
Laerod
09-04-2008, 14:43
Don't you have nothing more to offer in a discussion than insulting people...
Ho, physician cure thyself...
The mad filthy undead
09-04-2008, 14:46
Oh, sorry. In case you did not notice, THAT WAS SARCASM.:headbang::headbang::headbang:
Laerod
09-04-2008, 15:01
Oh, sorry. In case you did not notice, THAT WAS SARCASM.:headbang::headbang::headbang:It looks more like an accusation, and with only 9 posts under your belt, it's kind of hard to tell. Besides, the string of insults you listed, to my non-modly knowledge, constitutes flaming.
The mad filthy undead
09-04-2008, 15:37
Oh, Mr. 17755-posts, I feel all small and tiny in front of you, because your 17755 posts (do you not have other stuff to do? obviously not) scare me to death. Please do not hurt me...:rolleyes:
Sure, what I have written can be considered as flaming. But then the crap this "BrightonBurg" has written before must be also flaming. Or what would you call that?? reasonable arguing???
Perhaps I chose those nasty words to show him how it is when one is on the receiving end.
I wanted to make him think about the way he expresses his thoughts about other people in this way.
And If you would have made the strain to count the swearwords in both our posts you would have noticed that his post contains just a few more of those bad words that bother you so much.
(now I have whole ten posts. In your face...) :p
Laerod
09-04-2008, 15:49
Oh, Mr. 17755-posts, I feel all small and tiny in front of you, because your 17755 posts (do you not have other stuff to do? obviously not) scare me to death. Please do not hurt me...:rolleyes:
Sure, what I have written can be considered as flaming. But then the crap this "BrightonBurg" has written before must be also flaming. Or what would you call that?? reasonable arguing???
Perhaps I chose those nasty words to show him how it is when one is on the receiving end.
I wanted to make him think about the way he expresses his thoughts about other people in this way.
And If you would have made the strain to count the swearwords in both our posts you would have noticed that his post contains just a few more of those bad words that bother you so much.
(now I have whole ten posts. In your face...) :pDid you even bother reading the One Stop Rules Shop?
greed and death
09-04-2008, 16:09
And the Sudeten. Don't forget the Sudeten... hey! What are those countries where Bush wants to place the antimissile defence system...

Seriously, lol.


"To grant to the Czechoslovaks all the territory they demand would be not only an injustice to millions of people unwilling to come under Czech rule, but it would also be dangerous and perhaps fatal to the future of the new state ... the blood shed on March 3rd when Czech soldiers in several towns fired on German crowds ... was shed in a manner that is not easily forgiven... For the Bohemia of the future to contain within its limits great numbers of deeply discontented inhabitants who will have behind them across the border tens of millions of sympathizers of their own race will be a perilous experiment and one which can hardly promise success in the long run."

The occupation of the Sudetenland was simply the fulfillment of the 14 points namely national self determination. the Sudetenland was ethnically German and had sought to proclaim union with Germany. The reason it was given to the Czech was that the allies feared Czechoslovakia would not have defendable boarders with out the Sudetenland. not to mention the allies agreed to give him/let him take the Sudetenland.


Even in Poland if they had given Hitler the historically and ethnically German Areas world war II could have been prevented.

Don't get me Wrong I am glad things happened as they did because did plan his world domination push east... but that was not dreamed of until the 1950's and 1960's and the thought of a 20 years more advanced nazi Germany at the rate they were improving military technology is down right scary.
Laerod
09-04-2008, 16:12
The occupation of the Sudetenland was simply the fulfillment of the 14 points namely national self determination.Haha. You mean the scrapped points? Austria is also ethnically German, and even Wilson was against a Greater Germany.
Copiosa Scotia
09-04-2008, 17:10
Especially since Bush never invaded Poland.

Don't let 'em forget Poland.
New Malachite Square
09-04-2008, 17:38
And the Sudeten. Don't forget the Sudeten... hey! What are those countries where Bush wants to place the antimissile defence system...

Seriously, lol.

Exactly. Bush hasn't invaded Poland, he's allied himself with it. That's not necessarily a bad thing (historical-credibility-wise), as if Poland were invaded by someone else, there would be grounds for a quick counter-invasion before November.
Gauthier
09-04-2008, 17:39
Exactly. Bush hasn't invaded Poland, he's allied himself with it. That's not necessarily a bad thing (historical-credibility-wise), as if Poland were invaded by someone else, there would be grounds for a quick counter-invasion before November.

With the forces spread like Parkay on the Middle East and simmering just the same? Good luck.
Corneliu 2
09-04-2008, 17:46
With the forces spread like Parkay on the Middle East and simmering just the same? Good luck.

You forgot about the Air Force and our forces in Germany.
New Malachite Square
09-04-2008, 17:47
With the forces spread like Parkay on the Middle East and simmering just the same? Good luck.

I can see the signs now…

U.S. Out of Iraq!
Into Poland!
Mad hatters in jeans
09-04-2008, 17:54
Comparisons of Bush to Hitler fail on another principle:

Hitler took a Germany that was crippled by depression and the unfair reparations forced upon it by the Treaty of Versailles, and transformed the nation into an economic and military powerhouse that could not be stopped until the Allies got their acts together in WW2.

Bush took a United States an economic and military powerhouse and is almost done running it into the ground like every other business he was ever placed in charge of. He took a budget surplus and miraculously transformed it into a deficit faster than you could slap on a negative sign, and has quagmired the United States military in two Middle East fronts leaving its strength spread out and vulnerable to insurgent tactics. Not to mention alienate a good deal of the international community with his coke-snorting booze-binging cowboy My Way or the Highway attitude on foreign policy.

Hitler was a much more competent leader than Bush.

Actually Hilter didn't really do much for the German economy, it was Streseman who effectively saved Germany from it's huge debts, Hitler basically had total control and nicked the prestige from Stresemans amazing efforts. He nabbed huge amounts of paintings from Austria (in fact Hitler is responsible for the largest robbery in History), during it's Anshluss with Nazi Germany. Not to mention the huge reserves of Gold Hitler stole from Austria to fund his war-machine which would help dampen the effects of increasing military spending.
And Hitler really had an easier political climate to work under than Bush, alot of sympathy existed for Nazi Germany which culminated in the Anglo-German naval agreement, that and the fear of Communism effectively took most of the concern of Hitler out of the equation.
Jazvad Island
09-04-2008, 18:19
Oh C'mon - Pol Pot I could see but Bush is NOWHERE NEAR charismatic enough to be Hitler! ;)
Gauthier
09-04-2008, 18:27
Oh C'mon - Pol Pot I could see but Bush is NOWHERE NEAR charismatic enough to be Hitler! ;)

Anyone with an intact brain cell knows comparing Bush to Hitler is insulting Hitler.

:p
Yootopia
09-04-2008, 19:18
This isn't new! Chavez has been doing it for really ages in Venezuela.
Wanderjar
09-04-2008, 19:19
Remember: Hitler thought he was doing good. Bush KNOWS he's doing wrong

QFT!
Soleichunn
09-04-2008, 20:04
This isn't new! Chavez has been doing it for really ages in Venezuela.

Venezuela has been invading Poland?

They must have the best army logistics in the world :p.
Yootopia
09-04-2008, 20:06
Venezuela has been invading Poland?

They must have the best army logistics in the world :p.
Aye. Can't wait until the dash through the Low Countries.
Almiot
09-04-2008, 20:16
Remember: Hitler thought he was doing good. Bush KNOWS he's doing wrong

I can't help but disagree with you. Unless I'm mistaken, I think one of his motivations for going to war in Iraq was that "God told him to."
Tmutarakhan
09-04-2008, 20:19
If I remember correctly, it was because the current Iraqi government was too cozy with the Soviet Bloc, so the US supported the Ba'ath opposition in true Machiavellian fashion. I think William Blum touched upon this in his book Rogue State
The Baath Party first came to power overthrowing the British-installed monarchy, shortly after it had joined an anti-Soviet military alliance ("CENTO", also called the "Baghdad Pact"). They were virulently anti-US from the very beginning, although they hated the UK even more. After a bloody period of Baath rule, a less-deranged but still-leftist and pro-USSR faction overthrew them; however, the Baath staged a comeback in 1968, which is presumably the occasion you are referring to. No, the United States had zero interest in intervening in a fight between less-deranged and more-deranged leftist factions, particularly not on the side of the more-deranged. See Republic of Fear for a good short run-down of the history.
Knights of Liberty
09-04-2008, 21:05
I can't help but disagree with you. Unless I'm mistaken, I think one of his motivations for going to war in Iraq was that "God told him to."


Which he probably doesnt believe for a second. It was just another tool of his to whip the Evangelical Christians into a frenzy in support of his imperialistic ambitions.
Mad hatters in jeans
10-04-2008, 01:52
Aye. Can't wait until the dash through the Low Countries.

That would be astonishing, Venezuelan invasion of the Balkans and Russia. It would be impressive to see them manage to attack that far away to a country so obviously not useful to conquer (in practical terms of fuel, manpower etc).
It would be like Iceland attacking Indonesia, about as far apart and unlikely as possible.
RhynoD
10-04-2008, 04:14
That would be astonishing, Venezuelan invasion of the Balkans and Russia. It would be impressive to see them manage to attack that far away to a country so obviously not useful to conquer (in practical terms of fuel, manpower etc).
It would be like Iceland attacking Indonesia, about as far apart and unlikely as possible.

It would be highly amusing for the rest of the world, though.

Maybe Canada should invade South Africa...that would be interesting.
Straughn
10-04-2008, 05:08
Next time I'll just say "Git 'er done" so I'm sure I'm talking on your intellectual level.

You give yourself undue credit. After all, the guy's an admitted Bush supporter.
Shows some character on your part there, though, that you're willing to humiliate yourself in one sentence like that. I appreciate that, and give you a +1. :)
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/7277749/larry_the_cable_guy_bared/
Soleichunn
10-04-2008, 13:37
That would be astonishing, Venezuelan invasion of the Balkans and Russia. It would be impressive to see them manage to attack that far away to a country so obviously not useful to conquer (in practical terms of fuel, manpower etc).
It would be like Iceland attacking Indonesia, about as far apart and unlikely as possible.

How about this: Netherlands vs Indonesia, round 2?