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on public property and gets mad when the governemt wants to use the land for other things.

If if this guy isn't hurting anything, if you wanted so desperetly to live in a tree house perhaps he should have invested in his own piece of property to build his dream home on.

Full Story (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/358161_needle08.html?woo)

If if this guy isn't hurting anything, if you wanted so desperetly to live in a tree house perhaps he should have invested in his own piece of property to build his dream home on.

Yeah, real estate property investment. A good option for those who aren't homeless such as the man in the article. Near impossible for those who are.

Yeah, ok, people aren't allowed to sleep in subways but should be allowed to build on public property? pfft.

1) Get job
2) Get income
3) Purchase a piece of property
4) Live on it and do whatever the hell you want

This sounds like some stupid Californian nonsense about the homeless having rights to do whatever they please on public lands.

I hope later today you go outside and invite a few urban outdoors men to take up residence in your yard. Who cares what you want to do with it, that guy needs a place to build a tree house.

Bloody Ewok wannabes.

Pictures I want pictures!

First of all, there is no indication that the city of Seattle was going to do anything with the land. Now, I could understand if the city was going to do something, but it sits as a vacant lot. From what I read, this man helped to clean the lot up and keep crime away from it.

I have friends that live in Detroit, and most of the vacant lots I see are little more than illegal dumping grounds.

The city of Seattle has more things to worry about than a man in a tree. If what he was doing was creating an adverse effect on the neighborhood (the article linked by the OP indicates otherwise) then I could see the call for his removal.

1) Get job
2) Get income
3) Purchase a piece of property
4) Live on it and do whatever the hell you want

Oh is that all? Shit, someone should go inform the 3.5 million homeless that. I guess they weren't aware of how textbook-easy it all is like you are.

This sounds like some stupid Californian nonsense about the homeless having rights to do whatever they please on public lands.

What does California have to do with it? Don't diss on California, pal. We run the fucking economy of the country.

I hope later today you go outside and invite a few urban outdoors men to take up residence in your yard. Who cares what you want to do with it, that guy needs a place to build a tree house.

Yeah, because private property and public property are the same thing and so this isn't actually a stupid analogy.

They own the land. It's their right to evict him.

Oh is that all? Shit, someone should go inform the 3.5 million homeless that. I guess they weren't aware of how textbook-easy it all is like you are.
No on implied it was easy, hell if was easy there wouldn't be 3.5 million homeless people. So then it becomes a matter of effort, if you aren't willing to put for the effort to have a residence doesn't oblige you to take up shelter anywhere you see fit.

What does California have to do with it? Don't diss on California, pal. We run the fucking economy of the country. Having more people doesn't put you in charge of anything. California doesn't run shit other than the leftist dumptank you call Cal Berkley

Yeah, because private property and public property are the same thing and so this isn't actually a stupid analogy. Public property is owned by someone, they are called taxpayers, an group to which this eowak doesn't belong.

Ahh, so we've turned this into another "the poor are poor because they want to be poor, and if they didn't want to be poor they'd work harder" nonsensical pieces of crap.

Ahh, so we've turned this into another "the poor are poor because they want to be poor, and if they didn't want to be poor they'd work harder" nonsensical pieces of crap.

By writing this you must believe the converse to be true. So you saying the poor people don't want to be poor, but they aren't willing to do anything to change it.

Ever heard the phrase you can only help those that are willing to help themselves. This is proof positive.

No on implied it was easy, hell if was easy there wouldn't be 3.5 million homeless people. So then it becomes a matter of effort, if you aren't willing to put for the effort to have a residence doesn't oblige you to take up shelter anywhere you see fit.

Of COURSE it was implied it's easy. It was pointed out that this guy is homeless and (duh) probably can't afford Real Estate Investment. You responded with some inane

1. GET MONEY
2. ???
3. PROFIT!

type thing. Only you were actually serious.

Having more people doesn't put you in charge of anything. California doesn't run shit other than the leftist dumptank you call Cal Berkley

No, having the biggest economy out of all the states (topping most independent nations) means California is nothing to sneeze at. You were sneezing. So here's your tissue paper, if you want to keep sneezing at success..

Public property is owned by someone, they are called taxpayers, an group to which this eowak doesn't belong.

LMAO. Public property is owned by the State. Being a taxpayer has nothing to do with it. I pay taxes, does that mean the park is like my backyard? No, because there's a fundamental difference between public and private property, a difference you ignored just so you could self-righteously wing a flawed and frankly stupid analogy at me.

And if this guy ever buys anything with tax on it, he's a taxpayer too anyway. Welcome to the real world.

Ahh, so we've turned this into another "the poor are poor because they want to be poor, and if they didn't want to be poor they'd work harder" nonsensical pieces of crap.

Yeah didn't take long, did it?

No on implied it was easy, hell if was easy there wouldn't be 3.5 million homeless people. So then it becomes a matter of effort, if you aren't willing to put for the effort to have a residence doesn't oblige you to take up shelter anywhere you see fit.
Getting a residence requires money, getting money requires a residence.

And this is in Washington, conservatwit.

To Anikdote; if, when you're older and your marriage falls apart, you have to go and live up a tree, I hope some death squad comes along and burns it while you're still in it.

Doesn't matter what state it is. Opportunities for employment are abundent for those seeking it.

I guess your having a hard time understanding that homelessness isn't a condition. It's a state of being and one that results from self inflicted stupidity or a gross lack of personal responsiblity.

And owning property isn't a prerequisite for having an income.

Perhaps you'd be willing to list what abundant opportunities exist for the homeless? Perhaps ones with an income that can cover things like: food, heating, shelter, plumbing, and other basic necessities?

Could always do like what i heard this one guy in Texas did:

He organized having a huge 20+ story building built, having all the construction companies on the idea that they would be paid when the work is complete

Then when the building was built, He moved in to live in it, declared Himself bankrupt, the government moved in but couldn't take the building because it was His official place of residence, so They had to pay the debt with Him paying it back bit by bit as He could afford, while all the time, He lived in the penthouse and rented out the floors below to make income

Doesn't matter what state it is.

So you just mentioned California ... why?

I mean just for the sake of bashing a state... never mind how irrelevant it is... at least you get to drool out some sort of vitriol?

Opportunities for employment are abundent for those seeking it.

That's another thing we need to tell the 3.5 million homeless! Not to mention the unemployed. They're just not looking hard enough. You looked hard, and you found a job that supports you and allows you to own your own residence... right?

;)

I guess your having a hard time understanding that homelessness isn't a condition. It's a state of being and one that results from self inflicted stupidity or a gross lack of personal responsiblity.

Yeah, I tend to have a difficult time understanding utterly stupid, illogical propositions. My brain likes things to be intelligent and reasoned. I'm odd like that.

Well, if you have no more charming logical fallacies, I think I'll just spend the rest of this thread laughing at you. The naivete of childhood is pretty amusing.

The major fast food chains will hire individuals without a physical residence. It's not going to buy you a mansion with a personal chef, but it's better than begging for sure. And more than anything it's an opportunity, a small one but one none the less.

That's another thing we need to tell the 3.5 million homeless! Not to mention the unemployed. They're just not looking hard enough. You looked hard, and you found a job that supports you and allows you to own your own residence... right?

Unemployment rates are currently under 5%. And historically speaking the UE rate will only go so low, because there is a certain number of people that are unwilling or unable to work. So yes, the opportunities exist.

The major fast food chains will hire individuals without a physical residence. It's not going to buy you a mansion with a person chef, but it's better than begging for sure. And more than anything it's an opportunity, a small one but one none the less.

And a fast food chain, which pays minimum wage, will be more than enough for one to have the proper necessities of life? Especially for those who have a family to support?

Perhaps you'd be willing to list what abundant opportunities exist for the homeless? Perhaps ones with an income that can cover things like: food, heating, shelter, plumbing, and other basic necessities?

Well he is sorta right you know, it is easy to get work.

Well, you see, there's this funny thing about getting jobs. It generally requires somewhere to live.

There's also this funny thing about opening bank accounts, they generally require somewhere to live.

And for some reason, if you don't have somewhere to live, it's fairly tricky to save up enough money to find somewhere to live. I wonder why that could be?

And a fast food chain, which pays minimum wage, will be more than enough for one to have the proper necessities of life? Especially for those who have a family to support?

I guess I could follow this up with question like.

Why the hell are you procreating if you can't even provide for yourself?

No McDonalds won't buy you a house, but now that your earning an income, I have no issues with providing low rent housing subsidized by charitable organizations such as Habitat for Humanity.

Unemployment rates are currently under 5%.

5% of 300 million is what? Come on, let's see you put your fantastic education to work. The one that lets you support a family, a residence of your own as well as the ability to make stupid arguments over the internet.

And historically speaking the UE rate will only go so low, because there is a certain number of people that are unwilling or unable to work. So yes, the opportunities exist.

Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works!

As of February is was 4.8% which is under 15 million. This total includes children that are too young to work, elderly that are too old to work, and people with handicaps that prevent them from working. Take away all those factors and you have a group that are dividided between people that are willing to work and for various reasons are unemployed and people who have no desire to be employed. This last group is the only one that is tha target of my disdain.

As of February is was 4.8% which is under 15 million. This total includes children that are too young to work, elderly that are too old to work, and people with handicaps that prevent them from working.

Yep, that's 15 million people you need to get right on informing how easy and simple it all is to get a job and a place and all of that.

Take away all those factors and you have a group that are dividided between people that are willing to work and for various reasons are unemployed and people who have no desire to be employed. This last group is the only one that is tha target of my disdain.

Trouble is, you assumed the last group is all inclusive. It's clear you have disdain for the homeless and the poor in general, otherwise you wouldn't automatically assume they're just "lazy" and "irresponsible" etc.

Whatever.

As of February is was 4.8% which is under 15 million. This total includes children that are too young to work, elderly that are too old to work, and people with handicaps that prevent them from working. Take away all those factors and you have a group that are dividided between people that are willing to work and for various reasons are unemployed and people who have no desire to be employed. This last group is the only one that is tha target of my disdain.

No it doesn't. Unemployment is calculated as the number of people not working and capable of work divided by the total size of the labour workforce. This means that children, the retired and those not actively seeking work are not included. Do some research before making statements.

I have disdain for the homeless, only when they're homelessness inteferes with .... anything. I firmly believe that anyone has the right to do anything they won't so long as it doesn't interfere with someone elses right to do the same.

I have no reason to hate people that are poor or have any other negative feelings towards them. What I have a problem with is someone creating their station in life and then complaining about it. If you don't like where you are. Change it. If you aren't willing to put for the effort to make those changes then I don't want to hear about it.

Unemployment rates are currently under 5%. And historically speaking the UE rate will only go so low, because there is a certain number of people that are unwilling or unable to work. So yes, the opportunities exist.

What about my home state, Michigan, where the jobless rate has for the most part gone up in the last 8 years? It's not because people weren't looking hard for work, it's because the jobs just aren't here. I work in a shopping mall that just saw in the last 6 months 7 tenants leave due to the economy. They couldn't sustain themselves financially, and in turn, went under.

My ex-roommate works construction, and is lucky if he can work 3 days a week because of the economy, and every day is in fear that he's going to lose his job. The jobs simply aren't there, not because they are jobs that people aren't willing to take, but because either the company can't afford to keep the jobs, or because they've been outsourced to Mexico, India or China.

Right now, my own father is wondering if the company that he works for is going to go under.

Doesn't matter what state it is. Opportunities for employment are abundent for those seeking it.

I guess your having a hard time understanding that homelessness isn't a condition. It's a state of being and one that results from self inflicted stupidity or a gross lack of personal responsiblity.And owning property isn't a prerequisite for having an income.

I suppose you've never been homeless then have you?
Bolded part=an absolute lie.

Oh let him live in the tree, he's not bothering anyone.

Could always do like what i heard this one guy in Texas did:

He organized having a huge 20+ story building built, having all the construction companies on the idea that they would be paid when the work is complete

Then when the building was built, He moved in to live in it, declared Himself bankrupt, the government moved in but couldn't take the building because it was His official place of residence, so They had to pay the debt with Him paying it back bit by bit as He could afford, while all the time, He lived in the penthouse and rented out the floors below to make income

ROFL! Wow, that was GENIUS!

*starts writing up plans*

Okay, so presuming one can find a job at somewhere like McDonalds, and ignoring the possibility of some areas having fewer jobs and more people who need them, what happens next? Without somewhere to live, how are you supposed to save enough money to find somewhere to live?

Okay, so presuming one can find a job at somewhere like McDonalds, and ignoring the possibility of some areas having fewer jobs and more people who need them, what happens next? Without somewhere to live, how are you supposed to save enough money to find somewhere to live?

How about not letting your home go in the first place, or failing that hooking up with charities, I take it you have homless charites in the US, or goverment depts.

And owning property isn't a prerequisite for having an income.

Just as a little sort of experiment, why don't you go a few days without showering or shaving, wear your worst clothes(make sure they're good a dirty) and just try to find somewhere that'll even consider employing you after you inform them you're homeless.

How about not letting your home go in the first place,
Well, see, banks and landlords DO tend to get mighty testy about missed rent and, wouldn't you know it, they can, will, and do either foreclose and/or evict when you miss enough of them. Hence the current problem and tent cities that have started to spring back up.

or failing that hooking up with charities, I take it you have homless charites in the US, or goverment depts.
Oh bother. :rolleyes:

This will just provoke renewed conflict with our traditional enemy the squirrel.

These arguements always remind me of the word NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard)

One part of me says 'good on him' - he's trying to make the best of his current situation and seems to be doing no harm

However, I would change my tune if my home overlooked over a park and I saw lots of people copying him and creating 'illegal' homes in it

On the whole I would go with the first view, and hope that be finding some sort of stability he can move his life forward

Well, see, banks and landlords DO tend to get mighty testy about missed rent and, wouldn't you know it, they can, will, and do either foreclose and/or evict when you miss enough of them. Hence the current problem and tent cities that have started to spring back up.

Yes granted, I'm well aware that for some people they have very little control over their circumstances, but you know if you was going to loose you house, what would you do nothing and just let it happen. Or would you take on another job, sell anything that you could, and anything else you could not to loose your home.


Oh bother. :rolleyes:

Why the rollingeyes, are you saying that the govement can not or does not help, or that the same is true for charites?

Becauase I assure you they can. Obviously you need to help yourself a bit also, you need to go to that office and bug them for hostel place everyday, but these are things that you can do, and if you don't, if you live on the street and do not try to help yourself, then more fool you.

Yes granted, I'm well aware that for some people they have very little control over their circumstances, but you know if you was going to loose you house, what would you do nothing and just let it happen. Or would you take on another job, sell anything that you could, and anything else you could not to loose your home.
How many people do you think actually just do nothing when their house is being foreclosed on?

This of course assumes that they have a house in the first place and are not homeless due to other problems ranging from mental illness to disaster.

Why the rollingeyes, are you saying that the govement can not or does not help, or that the same is true for charites?

Becauase I assure you they can. Obviously you need to help yourself a bit also, you need to go to that office and bug them for hostel place everyday, but these are things that you can do, and if you don't, if you live on the street and do not try to help yourself, then more fool you.
No, I roll my eyes at your comment. Yes, there are charities, overworked, underfunded, and overextended and yes, there are SOME government programs, but not enough, especially in areas with very large homeless populations. Plus, again, there are other issues such as, again, mental illness, drug/alcohol abuse, and so on. Sadly though, for many single men, such as the guy in the story, a lot of shelters fill up fast and priority is given to women and children. Fine and good, but it leaves many people literally out in the cold, and then what?

But the bottom line is that the demand FAR out paces the help being offered.

One part of me says 'good on him' - he's trying to make the best of his current situation and seems to be doing no harm

However, I would change my tune if my home overlooked over a park and I saw lots of people copying him and creating 'illegal' homes in it


This is pretty much where my feelings like on the situation. Except I tend to err on the side of slipperty slopedness. What if this public land was a park where children played. And what if squirrel man wasn't the only guy in a tree, suppose he invited his other homeless friends Homicidal Harry, or Percy the Pedophile. Would you then be comfortable with you children playing in said park?

If your going to have rules then they have to be obeyed by everyone. Including the nonviolent tree dwelling Squirrel Man. Because if you let Squirrel Man remain, then he might acquire neighbors.

Just as a little sort of experiment, why don't you go a few days without showering or shaving, wear your worst clothes(make sure they're good a dirty) and just try to find somewhere that'll even consider employing you after you inform them you're homeless.

Didn't Will Smith already do a movie where this exact situation occured? Turned out pretty well for that guy last I checked *cough* Gardner Web *cough*

[QUOTE=Anikdote;13591875]1) Get job
2) Get income
3) Purchase a piece of property
4) Live on it and do whatever the hell you want

effort dosent always matter-
asylam seekers can put as much work into getting a home as they want, but in the end they can not leagaly work,so carnt aford property. if peolpe are told they must freez to death or starve to death then no offence, they will do what it takes to live. your ancisters probly came to ur country with nothing, do u think they followd all the laws.
when it comes to survival, law goes void.

not just asaylam seekers- their are millions of homless peolpe arond the world, most arnt lazy, they work all day but carnt afford a home, and thats if they can get a job. how can u get a job in a area where evry1 has more or the same qualifacations as u.
more and more americans will becom homeles and so they will all try to get a job, theirs only so many jobs out their-who wants to hire a hundred peolpe all with the same qualfacions.

peolple who live in war torn countries loose their homes ,so they look for a empty home,if their no1 their then the owners are probely dead, so they move in, and try to find a job noing they now have a adress to send the chek.

a lot of californians hav been evicted even thow they hav a job, they just carnt afford the homes since the price of homes has went up and the only homes they can afford are taken, so they live on the street , get fed up of the cold, and u diss them for building a home in the same place as they wud sleep ruff, if they hav a job they can aford the equpment to build a home but not the land.

wud u prefer he lives on the street and sells drugs to aford a blanket. at least if he has a home their is somwer to send his check.

By writing this you must believe the converse to be true. So you saying the poor people don't want to be poor, but they aren't willing to do anything to change it.

Ever heard the phrase you can only help those that are willing to help themselves. This is proof positive.

wow. you are a jackass. :(

Didn't Will Smith already do a movie where this exact situation occured? Turned out pretty well for that guy last I checked *cough* Gardner Web *cough*

Do you have a similar arguement with, say Richard Branson, to tell people that finishing school is pointless and that they should start up a successful company?

How many people do you think actually just do nothing when their house is being foreclosed on?

This of course assumes that they have a house in the first place and are not homeless due to other problems ranging from mental illness to disaster.

Again I say that I'm well aware that some people are homeless due to somthing that they could not have done anything about.


No, I roll my eyes at your comment. Yes, there are charities, overworked, underfunded, and overextended and yes, there are SOME government programs, but not enough, especially in areas with very large homeless populations. Plus, again, there are other issues such as, again, mental illness, drug/alcohol abuse, and so on. Sadly though, for many single men, such as the guy in the story, a lot of shelters fill up fast and priority is given to women and children. Fine and good, but it leaves many people literally out in the cold, and then what?

But the bottom line is that the demand FAR out paces the help being offered.

Naive moi? Never, yes of course the demand is out paced by the supply, and that is exactly why I say that if you are in that prediciment you have to do the work to get yourself out of it. I have lots of friends from all walks of life, some of them homless, and some of them used to be homeless.

On chap a man I have known since he was 8 years old, found himself on the street and it took him 2 years to get off it, but he had to work, he was down at the councils homless office everyday bothhering them for a place in a hostel, and then when he had that he didn't relent, he was still down there bothering them for a flat of his own.

Two years, now he has a flat, he has a job, and he is clawing his way back up.

What I am saying is it can be done, in fact must be done.

Myself I never miss a rent payment, and if it looks like I'm going to then we do not buy something else to save the money, nobody needs to end up on the streets, and if you do, then you have to fight hard to get yourself back. So whilst I sympathhise with the plight of the homeless, I'll not accept that they are entirly blameless for there situation(indeed another man I know, chooses to live on the street).

Didn't Will Smith already do a movie where this exact situation occured? Turned out pretty well for that guy last I checked *cough* Gardner Web *cough*

You must mean Chris Gardener. And that is the very general gist of the film. One exceptional case, however, does not really address my point. Most places won't hire homeless people.

wow. you are a jackass. :(

Childish name calling. Congratulations :rolleyes: Try not hitting the reply button the next time you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.

You can throw money and effort at problems all day long, but until the suffering individual is willing to make the changes in his own life, all the money and effort are for not.

You can throw money and effort at problems all day long, but until the suffering individual is willing to make the changes in his own life, all the money and effort are for not.
And you can throw stupidity and criticism at the same problem all you want as well, but that does less than money and effort.

And you can throw stupidity and criticism at the same problem all you want as well, but that does less than money and effort.

Ahhh but it cost less both in effort and money!:D

If you havn't looked at a problem critically then you havn't really looked at it at all.

Again I say that I'm well aware that some people are homeless due to somthing that they could not have done anything about.
Again, how many people are actually choosing to BE homeless and not doing something when they might lose their house?

Naive moi? Never, yes of course the demand is out paced by the supply, and that is exactly why I say that if you are in that prediciment you have to do the work to get yourself out of it. I have lots of friends from all walks of life, some of them homless, and some of them used to be homeless.

On chap a man I have known since he was 8 years old, found himself on the street and it took him 2 years to get off it, but he had to work, he was down at the councils homless office everyday bothhering them for a place in a hostel, and then when he had that he didn't relent, he was still down there bothering them for a flat of his own.

Two years, now he has a flat, he has a job, and he is clawing his way back up.

What I am saying is it can be done, in fact must be done.
You kinda missed the whole mental illness/drug and alcohol abuse thing didn't you?

Myself I never miss a rent payment, and if it looks like I'm going to then we do not buy something else to save the money,
I hate to tell you this, but in a homeless situation it ain't do I buy an iPod or not but do I buy food or not. In some cases, especially do to a catastrophe, you just might not have a choice.

nobody needs to end up on the streets, and if you do, then you have to fight hard to get yourself back. So whilst I sympathhise with the plight of the homeless, I'll not accept that they are entirly blameless for there situation(indeed another man I know, chooses to live on the street).
Really? So you blame those suffering from mental illness for their own illnesses?

If you havn't looked at a problem critically then you havn't really looked at it at all.
There's a large difference between looking critically at a problem to see where and how it might be solved and your current approach which consists of being critical and just telling the 'lazy bums' to get a job in defiance of all information in order for you to not have to address said problem.

Really? So you blame those suffering from mental illness for their own illnesses?

Now don't be silly.

If it has not been plainly obviouse to you that I am not talking about ALL homeless, but only those who fit the criteria that you should have been able to pick out by my words and context, that by my very silence on mental illness I was not includeing them, then I hope this post makes that clear for you.

If you havn't looked at a problem critically then you havn't really looked at it at all.

If you haven't addressed my point at all you haven't addressed my point at all.

How are homeless people meant to get jobs if nobody will hire them?

Again, how many people are actually choosing to BE homeless and not doing something when they might lose their house?

I think more than you think there are. We have had on the news over the past couple of days, this couple who won £100,000 on the lottery, and now have blown the lot and can't afford the rent, and so have gone back to the council for their dole money.

Now while I agree that the goverment should help these people if they are unable to support themselves, they are clearly too stupid to have put money aside, invested, or even thought about what would happen when the money run out.

There are a lot of people out there like these two, many of them now homeless, and yes through their own stupidity, or lack of work to stop the situation.

Now don't be silly.

If it has not been plainly obviouse to you that I am not talking about ALL homeless, but only those who fit the criteria that you should have been able to pick out by my words and context, that by my very silence on mental illness I was not includeing them, then I hope this post makes that clear for you.
So in other words then you are talking about a very narrow slice of the homeless population that somehow when the bills came due decided to hell with this, let their homes be foreclosed on, and live out on the street by choice even though they could indeed get hired on or find government assistance but just choose not to then?

And HOW many currently homeless people fit this criteria? The current estimation is that 1/3 of the homeless population suffers from mental illness and drug and alcohol abuse is rampant.

1) Get job
2) Get income
3) Purchase a piece of property
4) Live on it and do whatever the hell you want
Too bad you can't get a job until you have a permanent abode. But hey! why let facts get in the way of your own personal grasp on (non)reality?

I think more than you think there are. We have had on the news over the past couple of days, this couple who won £100,000 on the lottery, and now have blown the lot and can't afford the rent, and so have gone back to the council for their dole money.

Now while I agree that the goverment should help these people if they are unable to support themselves, they are clearly too stupid to have put money aside, invested, or even thought about what would happen when the money run out.

There are a lot of people out there like these two, many of them now homeless, and yes through their own stupidity, or lack of work to stop the situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#Statistics_and_demographics

I'm sure there are idiots out there, but the bulk of the homeless do not fit that profile at all.

I think more than you think there are. We have had on the news over the past couple of days, this couple who won £100,000 on the lottery, and now have blown the lot and can't afford the rent, and so have gone back to the council for their dole money.
ahhhh....the good ol' 'anecdote trumps all research' card. Where'd ya hear it from? Man in a pub tell you?

[QUOTE=Peepelonia;13594297]I think more than you think there are. We have had on the news over the past couple of days, this couple who won £100,000 on the lottery, and now have blown the lot and can't afford the rent, and so have gone back to the council for their dole money.

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Sounds like a Daily Mail story - they weren't immigrants were they, because then it would HAVE to be a Daily Mail story:p

Too bad you can't get a job until you have a permanent abode. But hey! why let facts get in the way of your own personal grasp on (non)reality?

The simple fact of the matter is even people without a permanent physical address can find work. I worked for a small construction company while i was finishing college at night and we would routinely hire people who didn't have homes. While this may only be anecdotal, this disproves "you can't get a job if you don't have a house.' Furthermore, Mc'd's hires everyone.

Sounds like a Daily Mail story - they weren't immigrants were they, because then it would HAVE to be a Daily Mail story:p

Naaa they are not immigrants, and it's been all over the TV for the past two days.

The simple fact of the matter is even people without a permanent physical address can find work. I worked for a small construction company while i was finishing college at night and we would routinely hire people who didn't have homes. While this may only be anecdotal, this disproves "you can't get a job if you don't have a house.' Furthermore, Mc'd's hires everyone.

Exactly, there are ways past most things. An old school friend of my dads showed up one day stayed a few nights then went back to live in the park, but gave out our address (with dads permission) as his own.

If you havn't looked at a problem critically then you havn't really looked at it at all.
Despite what conservatwits think, critical thinking and criticism arn't the same thing.

Exactly, there are ways past most things. An old school friend of my dads showed up one day stayed a few nights then went back to live in the park, but gave out our address (with dads permission) as his own.
Which disproves exactly... NOTHING. All that proves is you need a permanent address to get a job which we already know.

Which disproves exactly... NOTHING. All that proves is you need a permanent address to get a job which we already know.

Meh, I was neither trying to proove nor disprove anything, just backing up the guys assertion that you don't always need a home to find work, and according to my example, an address will do.

Meh, I was neither trying to proove nor disprove anything, just backing up the guys assertion that you don't always need a home to find work, and according to my example, an address will do.
Which is exactly the point. The guy didn't have a permanent address you did. Are you going to let every homeless person use your address as theirs so they can find work? If not, your example is moot.

From what I read of the article and the man's past, he HAD a job. and a wife. He hasn't had an easy life. I suspect that while industrious, he has a difficulty with structured tasks. I don't think he'll be able to hold any job too long, unless that job plays to his strengths.

I suspect if he had a small plot of land and the equipment, he could probably farm it and live off that land his whole life. He's like a mountain man without a mountain. *nod*

From what I read of the article and the man's past, he HAD a job. and a wife. He hasn't had an easy life. I suspect that while industrious, he has a difficulty with structured tasks. I don't think he'll be able to hold any job too long, unless that job plays to his strengths.

I suspect if he had a small plot of land and the equipment, he could probably farm it and live off that land his whole life. He's like a mountain man without a mountain. *nod*

Now all we need to do is find someone who is willing to give him that plot of land to farm.

Now all we need to do is find someone who is willing to give him that plot of land to farm.

And to waive property taxes.

And to waive property taxes.

I got it, he could become Amish! :D

I got it, he could become Amish! :D

Perfect! :D

Which is exactly the point. The guy didn't have a permanent address you did. Are you going to let every homeless person use your address as theirs so they can find work? If not, your example is moot.

Shit man, my dad did what he could to help one man, now if we all do the same that's good huh! But why is my example moot, if I do not let all homeless people use my address as their own? Do all homelss people only have ne as friedn is that it?

Perfect! :D

Another life taken out of Poverty thank to NSG! Huzzah!

Shit man, my dad did what he could to help one man, now if we all do the same that's good huh! But why is my example moot, if I do not let all homeless people use my address as their own? Do all homelss people only have ne as friedn is that it?Most homeless people don't have any friends.

Most homeless people don't have any friends.

Well I don't know most homeless people but I do know some, and all of them have more than just me as a friend, so I'll argue that claim of yours.

is there some way this man missed the notion of needing to own the property you build a house on in his 53 years of living in the united states?

squatting isnt ownership. building a treehouse isnt ownership. his time is up--as he always knew it would be some day. he had his treehouse home longer than he deserved it. now he needs to go.

My ex-roommate works construction, and is lucky if he can work 3 days a week because of the economy, and every day is in fear that he's going to lose his job. The jobs simply aren't there, not because they are jobs that people aren't willing to take, but because either the company can't afford to keep the jobs, or because they've been outsourced to Mexico, India or China.


Tell him to consider moving to Dubai, or pretty much anywhere on the Arabian peninsula (bar Yemen where there's a small scale civil insurgency going on).

They're building like crazy out here because there is no pre-existing infrastructure. They're building whole cities from nothing.

And they're crying out for skilled construction staff. And throwing money at them. And giving visas away like confetti.

There's no need for any construction worker in the world to be unemployed for the next 20 years with the amount of building that's going on in Arabia.

His neighbors pooled their money to buy him an RV to live in. They found a RV on craigslist, but when the seller heard who the neighbors were buying it for, they sold it for one penny.

A new leaf for 'Squirrelman' after treehouse eviction fuss (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/358350_treehouse09.html?source=rss)

His neighbors pooled their money to buy him an RV to live in. They found a RV on craigslist, but when the seller heard who the neighbors were buying it for, they sold it for one penny.

A new leaf for 'Squirrelman' after treehouse eviction fuss (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/358350_treehouse09.html?source=rss)

Good pics there. Very pleasant treehouse, with the view and the mains electricity and the wood stove. Getting a bit big for the tree I think.

It would be nice to think this weirdo could just buy a tree somewhere and rebuild, but the moment he buys land to live on he'll be subject to building codes and building a treehouse won't be fun or cheap any more. He had a sweet deal, then he had to move out ... any renter knows that feeling.

Are you in the tree rental market, yourself ?

This is pretty much where my feelings like on the situation. Except I tend to err on the side of slipperty slopedness. What if this public land was a park where children played. And what if squirrel man wasn't the only guy in a tree, suppose he invited his other homeless friends Homicidal Harry, or Percy the Pedophile. Would you then be comfortable with you children playing in said park?

If your going to have rules then they have to be obeyed by everyone. Including the nonviolent tree dwelling Squirrel Man. Because if you let Squirrel Man remain, then he might acquire neighbors.



Didn't Will Smith already do a movie where this exact situation occured? Turned out pretty well for that guy last I checked *cough* Gardner Web *cough*
Do you actually believe everything you see in the movies? Not everybody is going to meet a sympathetic hooker! although they are some of the best people in the world they also believe in taking care of number 1 first

Well I don't know most homeless people but I do know some, and all of them have more than just me as a friend, so I'll argue that claim of yours.Lemme guess - these people are also not mentally ill?

Lemme guess - these people are also not mental projections?

Fixed.

Lemme guess - these people are also not mentally ill?

Well I would say some are, and some are not.

Fixed.

What you find it unbelivable that I may have homeless freinds?

What you find it unbelivable that I may have homeless freinds?

How many do you allow to use your address as theirs for the purpose of getting a job?

How many do you allow to use your address as theirs for the purpose of getting a job?

None of them.

I can see why LG liked the guy so much:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20080408/621treehouse_2.jpg
notice LHS of the cooler box.
A man after your own heart there, LG!