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Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

By your logic, you're a sheep.

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it
Alright, so if a change has no effect on my life but benefits someone else... then.. what? I should be mad about that? I don't think so.
Are you one?
According to your highly illogical and strangely amusing post, yes, I'm a sheep.

By your logic, you're a sheep.

How am I a sheep, when i stay true to my religion, politics, gender, sexuality, etc?

I may use or manipulate the other sides when i can but I sure as hell dont support them in any way

How am I a sheep, when i stay true to my religion, politics, gender, sexuality, etc?

Which is in your case, going by your OP, a synonym for 'follow blindly and without questioning'.

I'm half monkey, half skunk. *nod*

Alright, so if a change has no effect on my life but benefits someone else... then.. what? I should be mad about that? I don't think so.

According to your highly illogical and strangely amusing post, yes, I'm a sheep.

Not mad about it, but why follow every half-baked idea just because the PC brigade tells you its good

*perms Bann-ed's wool so shes a stylish sheep*

even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

And heaven forfend that one not mind other people benefiting from things! :rolleyes:

Really, that's supposed to be a bad thing, to be able not to begrudge people their happiness that comes at no one else's expense? Well, then, I am gladly a sheep to these things we call "decency" and "integrity". I suggest you get acquainted with those concepts, even though this clearly smells troll from afar, but that's another reason for you to get familiar with the ideas.

I'm half monkey, half skunk. *nod*

I disagree, its only your socks that are skunky

You comrade are half monkey, half laughing hyena

Not mad about it, but why follow every half-baked idea just because the PC brigade tells you its good

I have no idea who the PC brigade is, but I am a fan of the computer as a gaming platform. At any rate I don't follow half-baked ideas, nor any sort of meat that isn't well-done.

*perms Bann-ed's wool so shes a stylish sheep*
You sheep. I'm not even female. However, as you blindly accepted some forum postcount title as the truth, you assumed I was. Fie. Fie on you.

Which is in your case, going by your OP, a synonym for 'follow blindly and without questioning'.

Of course, to liberals, any person with a strong sense of duty and loyalty is a 'blind follower' just because they dont bend to ideals outside their beliefs

If selflessness is a quality that sheep possess, then a sheep is a noble animal and I am pleased to be compared to one.

I'm not even female.


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If selflessness is a quality that sheep possess, then a sheep is a noble animal and I am pleased to be compared to one.

Theres a difference between being noble and selfless of your own choices based on real information, and having the liberals telling you PC lies and half-truths, and telling you its better to be noble and selfless to their ideas

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all
Yes, I do weigh things and decide whether they are good or not.

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?
After weighing the good and the bad:
I support gay rights
I support programs that help drug users get clean
I support people who are right no matter what their race is. I do not blindly accept that my own race is always right.
Depending on the crime I may or maynot support a criminals decision.

Of course, to liberals, any person with a strong sense of duty and loyalty is a 'blind follower' just because they dont bend to ideals outside their beliefs
That depends on what the 'strong sense of duty and loyalty' is grounded in. Whether reason and common sense, or hatred and a love for public executions.
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Did you even read my whole post?

A sheep is someone who bows to political correctness and the kind of "education" you get in public schools, where all they teach is racial identity perspectives. Leftists are in large part the true sheep, or useful idiots as the communists called them.

It's far harder to be a conservative than a liberal in the culture we live in today.

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I support programs that help drug users get clean
.

I meant the pro-drug users like in that marijuana thread
retards who are pro-drug, not because THEY use, but that because someone else uses, its okay to them

Don't we all think those that do not share our particular view are the sheep?

I for one am a shephard. :p

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

Firstly, the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you on these issues is 'a sheep' is delightfully silly.

On to your examples -

I'm fairly certain I'm straight. I support gay rights because I prefer to live in a society that follows the harm principle when it comes to interfering with individual lifestyles.

I don't take drugs. More from lack of opportunity than from principle, but I still don't 'support' the use of heroin, cocaine or whatever. Nonetheless, I think there are drugs which are currently illegal but socially harmless (pot, for example), and drugs which are currently legal but brutally harmful (alcohol and tobacco). Thus, I feel no obligation to condemn drug users for disobeying laws which are inherently hypocritical.

I'm white. I believe race is an outmoded and unscientific concept which would be better forgotten. However, I recognise that it won't be. I recognise that racial injustices still exist in the West, and that my own 'race' has treated others pretty damn badly. My desire to see these injustices resolved leads me to support affirmative action, even though it perpetuates the use of 'race' as a legal and political concept.

Finally, you are deluded if you think that none of these issues affect me just because I'm a white, straight, 'clean', law-abiding individual. I live in the same society as homosexuals, drug users, ethnic minorities and criminals. I partake in the same shared resources. I am capable of empathy when they are mistreated.

I hope my answers have proven helpful. I do not consider myself a sheep.

I meant the pro-drug users like in that marijuana thread
retards who are pro-drug, not because THEY use, but that because someone else uses, its okay to them
Well, I am not pro-drug. That is my conclusion. I'm just saying I think about things and I do sometimes come to a different conclusion than you.

A sheep is someone who bows to political correctness. Leftists are sheep, or useful idiots are the communists called them.
sheep
–noun, plural sheep. 1. any of numerous ruminant mammals of the genus Ovis, of the family Bovidae, closely related to the goats, esp. O. aries, bred in a number of domesticated varieties.
2. leather made from the skin of these animals.
3. a meek, unimaginative, or easily led person.
From Dictionary.com
It's far harder to be a conservative than a liberal in the culture we live in today.
I don't think it is particularly strenuous to be either.

People who are straight giving support to gay rights

What's wrong with this? I support gay people getting married, I support them having the same rights as straight people. I'm sorry if I don't think the Ebil Gayz will bring down our Civilization like Bible Thumpers and Southern Baptist think it will.

People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users

I don't support them or condone them, I just don't care what people do to their bodies. If they want to use drugs, then whatever. However, if I am an employer and someone comes to work high or drunk, I have the right to fire them.

People of one race who criticize their own race and support others

I criticize all races for being idiots. *nod*

People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

Who does this, beside other criminals?

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Obviously too many to mention. :rolleyes:

Are you one?

I'm not even female, I'm a male, so I think I'd be a Ram...is that right?

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
And what, pray tell, is wrong with gays having rights?

People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
I don't know about this "support to drugs" thing but drug users often need support to get back on feet. Why should I deny it to them?

People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
There is only one human race.

People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

Those you dreamed up.

Yes, I am a sheep. Who are you?

How am I a sheep, when i stay true to my religion, politics, gender, sexuality, etc?

I may use or manipulate the other sides when i can but I sure as hell dont support them in any way
If you take the logic you expressed in the OP and apply it to your own post, you come out as a sheep.

It's far harder to be a conservative than a liberal in the culture we live in today.

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Though, it is nice to get confirmed that our toil is not for naught. Marginalisation is, after all, hard work!

Theres a difference between being noble and selfless of your own choices based on real information, and having the liberals telling you PC lies and half-truths, and telling you its better to be noble and selfless to their ideas

I do base my choices on real information. I am, for one, a supporter of gay rights despite my heterosexuality due to a belief in liberty and the philosophy of utilitarianism.

I support the legalisation of all drugs despite having never tried most drugs. This comes from a view frequently held among economists of the concept that prohibition does more harm than good.

Right, and conformity to this bullshit idea of nationalism isn't being a sheep? From what I gather, to you, a sheep is anyone who disagrees with your bs ideology.

It's far harder to be a conservative than a liberal in the culture we live in today.

I agree, because i hold to conservative and germanic morals such as doing a job 110%, or following ideals that are morally acceptable, the people who sit on their ass at any given opportunity, and preach for conservatives to accept ideas that degrade society, the conflict never stops

Im currently in new zealand, and the only hope i see in here, are the British cops who come over here and help the country remember what REAL law enforcement is

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Though, it is nice to get confirmed that our toil is not for naught. Marginalisation is hard work!

That violin is not small enough!

Here, use this.

http://thechumslick.summeroftheshark.com/media/blogs/thechumslick/violin.jpg

Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all


I'd like to think so, yeah.


There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it


Why should self interest be the only factor of importance, that makes no sense.

I agree, because i hold to conservative and germanic morals such as doing a job 110%

What now?

Conservative morals would be the fewest morals possible.

I have no idea what 'germanic morals' are.

Im currently in new zealand
ROFL.. Talk about sheep will ya..ha.

I agree, because i hold to conservative and germanic morals such as doing a job 110%, or following ideals that are morally acceptable, the people who sit on their ass at any given opportunity, and preach for conservatives to accept ideas that degrade society, the conflict never stops

Im currently in new zealand, and the only hope i see in here, are the British cops who come over here and help the country remember what REAL law enforcement is

So, if everyone conformed to this ideology, would they then be sheep? Or is that a bit over your head? And for doing the job 110%, you sure do seem to have trouble following the rules of capitalization and punctuation well. Lazy commie.:D

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it
Are you one?

- Sexual orientation or behavior should have zero to do with a person's rights under the law. It's always been ridiculous.
- There plenty of legal drugs. You can mess yourself on many, many things. No one has a right to tell anyone else what they can do with their own bodies. All drugs should be legal. It's personal responsibility.
- Racial identity politics are the root of Western society's problems, I agree.
- Don't really get that one. I don't know too many people who think it's fine for other people to commit crimes.

From a realist perspective.

Right, and conformity to this bullshit idea of nationalism isn't being a sheep? From what I gather, to you, a sheep is anyone who disagrees with your bs ideology.

Nationalism promotes individuals to make proper decisions based on facts, Democracy and liberalism tells its own to support whatever minority group cries the loudest for special treatment

My beliefs and loyalties in ideals are broad enough to overlook meaningless trivialities as who people like to boink or archaic genetic relics of geographic isolation. As for drugs and crime, my faith dictates that these are people who need the MOST help, not the least.

technically I'd be a goat surely?

also "baaaaah!" *is sexually assaulted by horde of Welsh women*

Im currently in new zealand, and the only hope i see in here, are the British cops who come over here and help the country remember what REAL law enforcement is

are we talking about the corrupt racist ones from the 1980's?

My beliefs and loyalties in ideals are broad enough to overlook meaningless trivialities as who people like to boink or archaic genetic relics of geographic isolation.


Proof that life inside a rubber room has benefits - those meds help keep your mind off real life problems

LG, is there a spare room around your hospital, i may need to check in to avoid stress-related burnout or a heart attack brought on by the hailstorm of idiocy

Why should self interest be the only factor of importance, that makes no sense.

Because otherwise people might start supporting them uppity negroes.

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

I find sheep don't taste very nice, so i avoid eating them. Oh and they smell really bad.
If i were a sheep posting on NSG i think i deserve a medal.
As others have already pointed out, your reasoning behind being a sheep (which i'm assuming is bad) is not very solid.
I find that if you go along with something because others benefit from it this is a sign of humanity, and generally being charitable. I don't see this as a negative aspect. Also eventually as people give to others they will get something back, so it's more a trade than a blind being nice person.

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

I have some examples:
People who are straight being overly intolerent about gay rights
People who are clean (sic), poisoning their bodies with fags & Booze
People of one race who who have twisted values of race issues
People who do not commit crime, only because they've not been caught yet
Are you one?

Proof that life inside a rubber room has benefits - those meds help keep your mind off real life problems

LG, is there a spare room around your hospital, i may need to check in to avoid stress-related burnout or a heart attack brought on by the hailstorm of idiocy

I recommend the straitjackets too. They're like a perpetual self-hug. :)

Proof that life inside a rubber room has benefits - those meds help keep your mind off real life problems

LG, is there a spare room around your hospital, i may need to check in to avoid stress-related burnout or a heart attack brought on by the hailstorm of idiocy

LG does have a unique perspective on life that I think we can all appreciate and laugh about, and well as learn and grow by. :)

technically I'd be a goat surely?

also "baaaaah!" *is sexually assaulted by horde of Welsh women*

are we talking about the corrupt racist ones from the 1980's?


*backs away slowly from Call to Power, and does not make eye contact*

uhhh no, im talking about the hardliner cops who arrest guys for even slight reasons - like this one Brit cop i saw - he was trying to question a slightly drunk guy, but the guy kept on trying to ask the Brit cop stupid questions and not answer the cop, so the cop arrested him for 'Obstruction of Justice'

From a realist perspective.

are you an artist? I personally prefer Abstract art myself especially Piet Mondrian's skyscrapers :)

Nationalism promotes individuals to make proper decisions based on facts

such as?

I recommend the straitjackets too. They're like a perpetual self-hug. :)

Can i get a red one, white is just so boring

Nationalism promotes individuals to make proper decisions based on facts,
Like running from your beloved country to sell yourself to the highest bidder in New Zealand. You fail at nationalism.

No, I'm a wolf in sheeps clothing. *nods*

Can i get a red one, white is just so boring

You can get vinyl or leather ones if you know where to look and are into that sort of thing. :p

are you an artist? I personally prefer Abstract art myself especially Piet Mondrian's skyscrapers :)

I follow a realist political philosophy. That is my reference if you were not trying a bad joke out.

such as?

That those dastardly Jews are stealing our babies!

I follow a realist political philosophy. That is my reference if you were not trying a bad joke out.

That sounds like one massive oxymoron.

No, I'm a wolf in sheeps clothing. *nods*

http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF181-Woolves.jpg

That those dastardly Jews are stealing our babies!

Well, since we're stealing the children to our nancification camps, that doesn't leave the Jews with much option other than babies, then, does it?

That sounds like one massive oxymoron.

Only to a moron.

You can get vinyl or leather ones if you know where to look and are into that sort of thing. :p

okay so now LG is suggesting i get into a tight lether jacket that stops me from using my arms

that sounds like LG wants me in bondage

*backs away slowly from Call to Power, and does not make eye contact*

and you wonder why you never get laid :p

uhhh no, im talking about the hardliner cops who arrest guys for even slight reasons - like this one Brit cop i saw - he was trying to question a slightly drunk guy, but the guy kept on trying to ask the Brit cop stupid questions and not answer the cop, so the cop arrested him for 'Obstruction of Justice'

actually he would be taken into custody and locked in the cells till he sobered up

I do hope when you say you follow "germanic" ideals, that you're talking about pre-Christian Germanic tribes. Anything after that is just selling out your people and culture.

Only to a moron.

What a clever riposte.

I'm still reeling from the blow.

I do hope when you say you follow "germanic" ideals, that you're talking about pre-Christian Germanic tribes. Anything after that is just selling out your people and culture.

Praise Woden!

okay so now LG is suggesting i get into a tight lether jacket that stops me from using my arms

that sounds like LG wants me in bondage

Only if that sort of thing interests you. Would you like a safeword? ;)

and you wonder why you never get laid :p

actually he would be taken into custody and locked in the cells till he sobered up

I dont get laid with too many new zealander girls because i dont know where to get Penicillin

some of these girls are like peanut butter, they spread very easily, and without the proper help, my manhood might get the power to glow in the dark with what i could catch around here

Only if that sort of thing interests you. Would you like a safeword? ;)

Safeword?

okay so now LG is suggesting i get into a tight lether jacket that stops me from using my arms

that sounds like LG wants me in bondage

Bondage is awesome. *nods*

Safeword?

*sigh* In Bondage and BDSM, they may use a safe word if things get too intense or if one party wants to stop.

*sigh* In Bondage and BDSM, they may use a safe word if things get too intense or if one party wants to stop.

Wisdom from one who has been there?

Safeword?

If you don't know, then there's probably a good reason why you don't. *nod*

What now?

Conservative morals would be the fewest morals possible.

I have no idea what 'germanic morals' are.


I bet they involve being blond and blue eyed.

Only if that sort of thing interests you. Would you like a safeword? ;)

Pick one he can't pronounce. That's always funny.

I follow a realist political philosophy. That is my reference if you were not trying a bad joke out.

* Beauty in art is the making one of opposites, such as order and freedom, logic and passion, strength and grace.
* Everyone's deepest desire is to like the world on an honest or accurate basis.
* The desire to have contempt—that is, to lessen the meaning of things in order to see one's self as superior--causes unhappiness and even insanity.

this is what WIKI gave me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetic_Realism), do you have any links? (lovely as this ideology is I don't think its what you mean)

That those dastardly Jews are stealing our babies!

I hear if you leave a baby boy with a Jewish doctor he comes back missing his foreskin!

some of these girls are like peanut butter, they spread very easily, and without the proper help, my manhood might get the power to glow in the dark with what i could catch around here

have you heard of a condom? I myself would rather not have sex with a strict missionary position with the light off every other Month nor do I find virgin blood appealing

this is what WIKI gave me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetic_Realism), do you have any links? (lovely as this ideology is I don't think its what you mean)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_realism

Funny that you didn't choose that option. It's not too far removes from the realist perspective that I have.

Of course, to liberals, any person with a strong sense of duty and loyalty is a 'blind follower' just because they dont bend to ideals outside their beliefs

Anyone who buys into "liberal v. conservative" or "left v. right" is a sheep, because there's considerably more dimensions to political analysis than 2. Perhaps you should try sitting in a different pew sometime, for a different perspective ;)

have you heard of a condom? I myself would rather not have sex with a strict missionary position with the light off every other Month nor do I find virgin blood appealing

Condoms dont stop everything,

And virgin blood tastes so good,..it satisfies the red hunger so much better,...oh wait, you mean the deflowering blood,...well, good things come with a price

Perhaps you should try sitting in a different pew sometime, for a different perspective ;)

well since i dont have brain bleach to clean my brain afterwards, i wouldnt want to try thinking from a fags perception of the world, or any other perception that may cause my brain to turn into creamed corn

well since i dont have brain bleach to clean my brain afterwards, i wouldnt want to try thinking from a fags perception of the world, or any other perception that may cause my brain to turn into creamed corn

So then you admitt that you don't think about things before making a judgement on it?

So then you admitt that you don't think about things before making a judgement on it?

Oh I do think about things, very much, just using the morally correct facts and not the other side's degenerate outlook

well since i dont have brain bleach to clean my brain afterwards, i wouldnt want to try thinking from a fags perception of the world, or any other perception that may cause my brain to turn into creamed corn

Fags? Okay, seriously, GTFO.

I wonder what about their existence makes you feel so repulsed.

Oh I do think about things, very much, just using the morally correct facts and not the other side's degenerate outlook

Give me an example of a morally correct fact.

Fags? Okay, seriously, GTFO.

I wonder what about their existence makes you feel so repulsed.

The fact that whenever he thinks about them his pants get tight and he doesn't know why?

Fags? Okay, seriously, GTFO.

I wonder what about their existence makes you feel so repulsed.

Trotskylvania! Don't be a sheep and try to look at things using the other side's degenerate outlook. Stop asking questions

Fags? Okay, seriously, GTFO.

I wonder what about their existence makes you feel so repulsed.


Aside from strong religious and political beleifs, i think guys getting turned on by guys is disgusting.

Your ass is a one way street, and gays are breaking mother natures traffic laws

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

Of course, to liberals, any person with a strong sense of duty and loyalty is a 'blind follower' just because they dont bend to ideals outside their beliefs

A sheep is someone who bows to political correctness and the kind of "education" you get in public schools, where all they teach is racial identity perspectives. Leftists are in large part the true sheep, or useful idiots as the communists called them.

It's far harder to be a conservative than a liberal in the culture we live in today.

Okay. I read all of this, and the rest of this thread, and I'll admit that my first reaction was "troll". But if I just leap out and shred someone who honestly believes like this without trying to engage in a good faith dialogue, then I'm just what he'll likely think I already am. So here goes.

There are few, if any, things I believe that are near the heart of my being that I have received from any source other than experience. I truly dislike being lumped in with followers merely because I have some of the same stances. I can forgive that of you, however, because I know that this ALL OR NOTHING attitude comes from polarizing and divisive elements on both sides of the cultural divide (PC/Hollywood on one side, talk radio/evangelical churches on the other).

Thing is, those who claim either side's high ground are, in fact, a minority. So few believe in every single tenet of either the conservative right or the liberal left, that I've met very few of them. I have lived in Seattle and now I live in North Dakota -- it's hard to get more opposite than those two places, and I've met barely a handful who are SO staunch on keynote issues for either side that they're utterly unwilling to engage in civil discourse about their beliefs.

Do I understand where the fear of a PC takeover of society comes from? Yes. I've met people who want me to call that thing in the street a "person-hole cover" and who take gay rights way too seriously and who see prejudice everywhere. I've also met people who say nothing about politics and society that wasn't first vetted by Rush Limbaugh, Lars Larsen, Sean Hannity or any of those types. my friends, if THAT's not being sheep-like, I don't know what is.

So instead of roaring about how I support gay rights despite being straight because I once had gay roommates because I was the only person who'd volunteer to share their room on long tours in my singing group (the three gay singers would room together and the rooms were booked for four) -- instead of bringing up the already long-belabored futility of prohibition -- instead of going into detail about how drug addicts are sick and need help, just like alcoholics -- I'll just ask you how many times and in what way you've been coerced into actually doing something you didn't approve of by the "PC forces" in your country. I'll also remind you about how easy it is to generalize without getting to know anyone of the classes of people you so readily dismiss.

What I will ask you, though, is what you mean, specifically, by "criminal". And I hope I won't be callously brushed off with some label. I've made a good faith effort to communicate with you -- the least you can do is reply in kind.

Aside from strong religious and political beleifs, i think guys getting turned on by guys is disgusting.

Your ass is a one way street, and gays are breaking mother natures traffic laws

Are they not human beings too? Who does their action harm? Even more pressingly, why the fuck do you care who Random Dude A is banging?

There are far worse crimes than loving another human being. I guess I'm a sheep for refusing to hate or discriminate people.

well since i dont have brain bleach to clean my brain afterwards, i wouldnt want to try thinking from a fags perception of the world, or any other perception that may cause my brain to turn into creamed corn

Okay. Nobody's asking you to think from a point of view you couldn't possibly imagine. However, is it possible for you to imagine that others could have the same problem when asked to think from your point of view? Let's start there.

Aside from strong religious and political beleifs, i think guys getting turned on by guys is disgusting.

Your ass is a one way street, and gays are breaking mother natures traffic laws

Again, that's your perspective, and it's perfectly valid. However, some others don't feel that way. Is that any reason to dehumanize them? Has anyone who thinks that way done anything at all, ever, to you, personally?

Aside from strong religious and political beleifs, i think guys getting turned on by guys is disgusting.

Your ass is a one way street, and gays are breaking mother natures traffic laws

Tell that to your doctor when you reach your mid-30s. :p

well since i dont have brain bleach to clean my brain afterwards, i wouldnt want to try thinking from a fags perception of the world, or any other perception that may cause my brain to turn into creamed corn

Why not? You might discover how to conquer the known world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great), lay the foundations of political philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato[/url), write epic poetry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil) or create masterpieces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci).

Again, that's your perspective, and it's perfectly valid. However, some others don't feel that way. Is that any reason to dehumanize them?

That is much too harsh a word. Us sheep prefer the terms 'sheepify', 'ramicate', 'baahnd' or 'ewenify'.

Condoms dont stop everything

I don't seem to glow in the dark nor do have my health checkups ever found anything

heaven forbid women should have fun though?

well, good things come with a price

I'm sorry but chanting "its just jam! its just jam!" as I get buszay with a sexually inexperienced woman is not what I call good

Aside from strong religious and political beleifs, i think guys getting turned on by guys is disgusting.

this is where your lying because we have all looked at shemales etc

Your ass is a one way street, and gays are breaking mother natures traffic laws

then why would mother nature give men the ability to have orgasms from the anus? and what about a girl putting a finger up during?

Aside from strong religious and political beleifs, i think guys getting turned on by guys is disgusting.

Your ass is a one way street, and gays are breaking mother natures traffic laws

No, they're not, seeing as homosexuality has been observed in other species besides humans. Furthermore, which religious beliefs are these? If they're Christian, again, I'd like to know why you sold out your pagan "germanic" brother s for a new age cult and ransacked that area of all its culture and replaced with a Christian one.

What I will ask you, though, is what you mean, specifically, by "criminal". And I hope I won't be callously brushed off with some label. I've made a good faith effort to communicate with you -- the least you can do is reply in kind.

I thinks its fairly obvious
If you know someone or know OF someone, who openly commits crime, and you know they did it, or still do it,..but you dont say anything then you are supporting them

Knowing the person can come to internal conflict, as if you know them really well and may be friends with them, then yeah, you dont really want to rat them out, but you should do what you can to change them for the better

If you dont know them, and you dont report them in, wtf are you thinking!

And heaven forfend that one not mind other people benefiting from things! :rolleyes:

Really, that's supposed to be a bad thing, to be able not to begrudge people their happiness that comes at no one else's expense? Well, then, I am gladly a sheep to these things we call "decency" and "integrity". I suggest you get acquainted with those concepts, even though this clearly smells troll from afar, but that's another reason for you to get familiar with the ideas.

QFT. Huh, never thought I'd agree with Fass on something, but that's life, innit?


It's far harder to be a conservative than a liberal in the culture we live in today.

¿Qué?


I support the legalisation of all drugs despite having never tried most drugs. This comes from a view frequently held among economists of the concept that prohibition does more harm than good.

What about the ones that cause hyper-aggression?

that sounds like LG wants me in bondage

Humina humina humina!

Pick one he can't pronounce. That's always funny.

The safeword will be hwhiskey.

Why not? You might discover how to conquer the known world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great), lay the foundations of political philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato[/url), write epic poetry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil) or create masterpieces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci).

Wasn't 'Xander bi? Not that it really matters, but I coulda sworn...

Tell that to your doctor when you reach your mid-30s. :p

Hell no, if the doctor starts talking suppositories, i start asking for a 9mm to the head

If the doctor starts talking proctology, i once again ask mr 9mm

what cannot be cured with oral pills, or injections will be that which kills me

The safeword will be hwhiskey.


Hrmph.. not original enough.

What about 'proceed', 'more', 'harder', or 'don'tstop'?

Why not? You might discover how to conquer the known world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great), lay the foundations of political philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato[/url), write epic poetry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil) or create masterpieces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci).

Yeah, the roman empire tried all that, and look where they went

*flush, gurgle, gurgle*

Hrmph.. not original enough.

What about 'proceed', 'more', 'harder', or 'don'tstop'?

I really don't get that movie. I was cracking up the first time I saw it through the whole thing, but didn't even crack a smile the second time.

*sighs*

Yeah, the roman empire tried all that, and look where they went

*flush, gurgle, gurgle*

Yeah, too bad the Roman Empire had nothing to do with any of those.

Hell no, if the doctor starts talking suppositories, i start asking for a 9mm to the head

If the doctor starts talking proctology, i once again ask mr 9mm

what cannot be cured with oral pills, or injections will be that which kills me

You would refuse a prostate exam? You would prefer prostate cancer?

Friend, you haven't a freakin' clue what you are talking about....

I really don't get that movie. I was cracking up the first time I saw it through the whole thing, but didn't even crack a smile the second time.

*sighs*

Uhm.. What movie?

What about the ones that cause hyper-aggression?

Even those ones. The violence committed by people using drugs is far smaller than the violence committed by thse who profit from their illegality.

Wasn't 'Xander bi? Not that it really matters, but I coulda sworn...

Well, he was married but its hard to say whether that was due to an attraction the woman or the need to cement a political alliance. But yeah, it doesn't really matter - the argument was that men who have sex with other men are in some way less mentally capable than straight men.

So let me get this straight, if we don't follow traditional morals and values and don't try to keep national and racial ideals, and finally if we don't just only think about ourselves; WE'RE the sheep?

何だHell?

Uhm.. What movie?

Hot Rod.

Yeah, too bad the Roman Empire had nothing to do with any of those.

Virgil was Roman. But you are correct, the others are Macedonian, Greek and Italian respecitvely.

Yeah, the roman empire tried all that, and look where they went

*flush, gurgle, gurgle*

The decline of the Roman Empire began after the adoption of Christianity and the associated condemnation of homosexuality. Julius Caesar on the other hand had time to come, see, conquer and have sex with men.

Hot Rod.

Never even heard of it.

Maybe I'll watch it now, but only once. I would prefer to laugh if it's a comedy.

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it


And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

I must be. I'm not a tedious misanthropic troll, and yet I acknowledge your right to exist.

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

That's ridiculous.
This post is utterly ridiculous.

Supporting gay rights if you're straight doesn't make you a "sheep", it simply means you support equality.

Supporting legalisation of drugs if you don't do drugs doesn't make you a "sheep", it simply means you support freedom of choice.

People of one race who criticise mistakes their own race have made definitely aren't "sheep"; they're strong enough to get over a racial barrier and acknowlege mistakes in the past.

People who commit certain crimes and aren't okay with other people committing those same crimes aren't "sheep", they're hypocrites.

You need to re-examine your understanding of the word "sheep".

Hell no, if the doctor starts talking suppositories, i start asking for a 9mm to the head

If the doctor starts talking proctology, i once again ask mr 9mm

what cannot be cured with oral pills, or injections will be that which kills me

Great, you go ahead. You'll be dead but at least you won't be your defination of "a sheep".

Never even heard of it.

Maybe I'll watch it now, but only once. I would prefer to laugh if it's a comedy.

It failed massively on Rotten Tomatoes, and it was at a friend's house where'd we'd been playing COD4 for hours and just after drinking a Monster energy drink.

You probably have to be in a certain frame of mind to laugh.

I must be. I'm not a tedious misanthropic troll, and yet I acknowledge your right to exist.

:fluffle:

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

How about:

People who are of the master race, but support lesser races to continue existing?

Let's fire up those furnaces right away!

:fluffle:

:D

Simple enough question
Actually, it's not a simple question at all. It requires any answer to conform to your existing subjective standard as to what constitutes a 'sheep'.

Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...
If anything, I tend towards the opposite point of view. I generally assume change is going to be negative and detrimental unless I see convincing evidence to the contrary. The first questions I ask in assessing a change are the same used by any good detective on a case: how much money is involved and which way did it move? Most changes - even those supposedly made for the general good - end up being of particular benefit to someone involved in pushing them through.

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it
There's a difference between agreeing with every change and being selective as to which battles to fight.

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
I support gay rights because I believe gay people should not be discriminated against. I also support equal rights for heterosexuals, because I believe they should not be discriminated against, either.

People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
I believe in giving a drug user who genuinely wishes to reform every assistance to do so - even if it takes them years and many attempts to achieve it. I do not believe in mollycoddling those who don't have any interest in bettering themselves, and who seek to use their addiction as an excuse for antisocial or criminal behaviour. For example, I don't believe a drug dependency need be taken into consideration when sentencing a convict.

People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People are entitled to be critical of anyone or anything if they believe the subject has the potential for improvement. Criticism of any kind, however, is only of use if it's positive and constructive, and should be based on an objective and balanced assessment. Personally, I'm unaware at present of any criticism that could legitimately be levelled at an entire race - but I suppose it's possible.

People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it
Except, possibly, under truly exceptional circumstances, crime in a developed country is unacceptable, because it is usually unnecessary and serves only the greed, laziness and irresponsibility of the criminal. It is a personal failure. Those who do not commit crime are the ones who accept their responsibility in a collective. Those who do commit crime are weak, and their excuses usually similarly so. Again, as with drugs, all respect should be given to those who have lived a criminal life but who wish to reform - but no leeway should be given to those who choose crime.

[quote[And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?[/QUOTE]
I don't know. I suspect that's something you'll want to decide for yourself.

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?


yes and happily so. those benefits you listed benefit us all even if we arent directly affected.

Tell that to your doctor when you reach your mid-30s. :p

DAMMIT! You come over here RIGHT NOW and clean the green tea off my monitor! :D

I thinks its fairly obvious
If you know someone or know OF someone, who openly commits crime, and you know they did it, or still do it,..but you dont say anything then you are supporting them

Knowing the person can come to internal conflict, as if you know them really well and may be friends with them, then yeah, you dont really want to rat them out, but you should do what you can to change them for the better

If you dont know them, and you dont report them in, wtf are you thinking!

Okay, so you might be talking about the "Stop Snitchin'" movement or other such attempts actual criminals make to intimidate law-abiding citizens into looking the other way. I get that indignation, totally. But look at it this way some people don't have the means to protect themselves against the thug-like retaliation that reporting a crime can generate. That doesn't excuse not reporting a crime, but it can explain it.

See, it isn't too obvious because you COULD have been talking about consensual crimes. That's a whole 'nother kettle of baklava.

Hell no, if the doctor starts talking suppositories, i start asking for a 9mm to the head

If the doctor starts talking proctology, i once again ask mr 9mm

what cannot be cured with oral pills, or injections will be that which kills me

Seriously? You're so anal-phobic that medicine designed to be absorbed through your lower intestine and regular rectal exams frighten or disgust you? I don't mean to antagonize you, so I ask this in all seriousness -- were you abused as a child? I apologize if that angers you, but the only people I've ever met who are SO averse to mentions of even legitimate medical practices involving the anus have been molested as children.

Obvious troll is Obvious.

But anyway...

No.

I have an honost question for the OP. What do you contribute to this forum?

This is the ultimate irony to your post. You dont support any of those things because you "stay true to your race, sexuality, religion, etc." You know what that means? Your a bloody sheep! "Zomg my religion says gay people are ebil so I hate gay people!" Dont get on here and lecture others about being a sheep when you are still stuck blindly following a belief that should be considered on par with believing in Santa Claus. You didnt think about any of these issues. You went to church and heard the Minister rail against homosexuals, and thats how you made up your mind. You dont like black people because their skins darker, so thats how you decided theyre evil. You by into that myth that the Jews killed Jesus, so thats how you decided the Jews are behind all evil in the world. You didnt think about any of those things. Someone did the thinking for you.

Dont spin this as anything but. You dont like the fact that the world has gotten past the Middle fucking Ages, and your religion's word isnt law anymore. Your upset that people have started to think for themselves, and realize "Hmmm, maybe gay people shouldnt be stoned. Maybe blacks arent genetically inferior. Maybe Jews arent behind all the worlds problems."

You have not once posted anything on this forum that is anything but racist, ill informed, anti-semetic, or homophobic. The term bigot does get tossed around a lot here, but really, I think you fit the definition verbaitum.

I know its shocking that not everyone believes in a master race. I know its shocking that not everyone believes in enforcing the morals espoused by a 2000 year old fairy tale on everyone else. I know its shocking that society has progressed past the Dark Ages and the Inquisition.

You are the sheep sir, you.

Whatever. Im sure you have a work camp to get back to running, so Ill let you get on with that.

Julius Caesar on the other hand had time to come, see, conquer and have sex with men.

And he ended up getting being stabbed numerous times by several men. And not in the way he'd have enjoyed either.

:D

Why has there been such an influx of lame trolls recently? We need to switch services or something, they aren't even trying anymore.

I am straight and support gay/transgender rights because I believe they are humans and humans should be treated equally under the law. If you can prove they are not humans.....please do.

I read this entire thread, and now I'm calling gimmick on Kirchensittenbach.

Accepting changes that don't materially impact you isn't being a sheep...it's called not wasting your time caring about things that have zero impact on you whatsoever. Care about the things that do matter and the rest will fall in to place on its own.

Accepting changes that don't materially impact you and which benefit others is not called being a sheep, it's called not being a dick.

Obvious troll is Obvious.

But anyway...

No.

This post is win.

I am straight and support gay/transgender rights because I believe they are humans and humans should be treated equally under the law. If you can prove they are not humans.....please do.

http://www.thetartcart.com/videos/watch.aspx?Media=2918&Title=The%20Family%20Guy%20-%20Homosexuality

:D

The emptiness of the OP is demonstrated if you reverse the questions. The OP could just as easily have been put thus:-

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you oppose every change in the world as bad, and unacceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall bad, or if it seems bad to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply oppose them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just oppose it because others benefit from it

People who are straight opposing gay rights
People who are clean, denying support to users
People of one race who valorise their own race and denigrate others
People who do not commit crime, but can’t understand others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

I am straight and support gay/transgender rights because I believe they are humans and humans should be treated equally under the law. If you can prove they are not humans.....please do.

What if, instead of marriage, they can just be "butt buddies"?

What if, instead of marriage, they can just be "butt buddies"?

What if, they live together for thirty years, one of them dies and the other is denied access to their pension because they aren't legally recognized as spouses?

What if, they live together for thirty years, one of them dies and the other is denied access to their pension because they aren't legally recognized as spouses?

I believe that I might have come up with a compromise to this whole problem that will make everyone happy! People in the gay community want the same rights as married couples, but dissenters don't want the word "marriage" corrupted. So how about we let gay people get married, but call it something else? The homosexuals will have all the exact same rights as married couples, but instead of referring to them as "married," they can be “butt buddies”. Instead of being "man and wife," they'll be “butt buddies”. They won't be "betrothed," they'll be “butt buddies”. Get it? Instead of a "bride and groom," they'd be “butt buddies”.

I believe that I might have come up with a compromise to this whole problem that will make everyone happy! People in the gay community want the same rights as married couples, but dissenters don't want the word "marriage" corrupted. So how about we let gay people get married, but call it something else? The homosexuals will have all the exact same rights as married couples, but instead of referring to them as "married," they can be “butt buddies”. Instead of being "man and wife," they'll be “butt buddies”. They won't be "betrothed," they'll be “butt buddies”. Get it? Instead of a "bride and groom," they'd be “butt buddies”.

How about when you make asinine, homophobic "jokes" we don't call you "funny" but something else? Like "brain damaged"?

I believe that I might have come up with a compromise to this whole problem that will make everyone happy! People in the gay community want the same rights as married couples, but dissenters don't want the word "marriage" corrupted. So how about we let gay people get married, but call it something else? The homosexuals will have all the exact same rights as married couples, but instead of referring to them as "married," they can be “butt buddies”. Instead of being "man and wife," they'll be “butt buddies”. They won't be "betrothed," they'll be “butt buddies”. Get it? Instead of a "bride and groom," they'd be “butt buddies”.

And the blacks can drink from the colored fountains!

I call shenanigans.

I have an honost question for the OP. What do you contribute to this forum?
Come on, look at the number of quality posts he provoked. Not to mention the warm and woolly... I mean fuzzy unity feeling! ;)

Aside from strong religious and political beleifs, i think guys getting turned on by guys is disgusting.

Your ass is a one way street, and gays are breaking mother natures traffic laws

you do know that homosexually act happen in nearly all animals groups. In many
animals it act as a group bonding mechanism, (in monkeys for example) and is not against "mother nature" only one question i have to put to you

so you want to bond ;)

How about when you make asinine, homophobic "jokes" we don't call you "funny" but something else? Like "brain damaged"?

Adorable. Good thing it was only a South Park reference and meant in jest. Try saving the insults for when someone actually means a statement like that.

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?If not eating cheese, and yet supporting your right to do so makes me a sheep, then so be it.

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

I would question your criteria. Why is a straight that supports gay rights to be considereed a sheep, for example?

they just go with it because others benefit from it


i fail to see what's wrong with this

Obvious troll is Obvious.

But anyway...

No.
Old meme is Old.

my brain oh god whyyyyyyy

i fail to see what's wrong with this

Probably because it goes against his ingrained selfishness of allowing another to benefit from anything.

How about when you make asinine, homophobic "jokes" we don't call you "funny" but something else? Like "brain damaged"?

Or, alternatively, you could get a sense of humor. It's from South Park.:rolleyes:

It is said among our people, that he who abhors all change, should always pay by credit card.

It is said among our people, that he who abhors all change, should always pay by credit card.I hate credit cards.

Adorable. Good thing it was only a South Park reference and meant in jest. Try saving the insults for when someone actually means a statement like that.

Sorry, I don't watch South Park. It wasn't really clear that you didn't mean it.

What's wrong with being a sheep? Sheep are both useful and delicious.

What's wrong with being a sheep? Sheep are both useful and delicious.

And really quite stupid.

And really quite stupid.

That's true, but then again, so what? If you're a domesticated sheep you get as much food as you want, protection from violent animals, and don't have to do a lick of work except stand still while you're sheared. Depending on where you are, you may eventually be slaughtered, but that would probably happen in the wild anyway.
And I suppose living on a factory farm would stink. But otherwise, life is golden. ;)

That's true, but then again, so what? If you're a domesticated sheep you get as much food as you want, protection from violent animals, and don't have to do a lick of work except stand still while you're sheared. Depending on where you are, you may eventually be slaughtered, but that would probably happen in the wild anyway.
And I suppose living on a factory farm would stink. But otherwise, life is golden. ;)
Sheep often get used as natuaral lawnmowers, particularly in uneven terrain. Imagine your job being eating three meals a day...

I believe that I might have come up with a compromise to this whole problem that will make everyone happy! People in the gay community want the same rights as married couples, but dissenters don't want the word "marriage" corrupted. So how about we let gay people get married, but call it something else? The homosexuals will have all the exact same rights as married couples, but instead of referring to them as "married," they can be “butt buddies”. Instead of being "man and wife," they'll be “butt buddies”. They won't be "betrothed," they'll be “butt buddies”. Get it? Instead of a "bride and groom," they'd be “butt buddies”.

See now, nowhere in this quoted post is there something to suggest the following:

Adorable. Good thing it was only a South Park reference and meant in jest. Try saving the insults for when someone actually means a statement like that.

So unless you put something in your posts when they quote other sources, say, something like this: [/South Park] to let us know, there's no WAY you can expect an entire thread full of people to have seen that episode and remember that quote -- LEAST of all those who don't even watch the show. It's called courtesy.

Or, alternatively, you could get a sense of humor. It's from South Park.:rolleyes:

Assuming that everyone here A) watches South Park, B) has SEEN that episode, and C) can remember the quote without hearing the character's voice deliver it requires a level of arrogance which, while not excessive, is pretty damned high. I don't think you'd appreciate being mocked for not knowing the source of something someone else quoted when the source was not presented anywhere in the post. Again, it's called courtesy.

But otherwise, life is golden. ;)

In Wales you might have some other concerns.

In Wales you might have some other concerns.

Do you know why, when a rancher fucks a sheep, he does so at the edge of a cliff? It's so the sheep will push back. [/Carlin]

D'ya know the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scottish shepherder? Mick Jagger said "hey, you, get offa my cloud!" A Scottish shepherder says "HEY, McCLEOD! GET OFF MY EWE!" [/Connolly]






See how that works, Geniasis?

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

Here in the US, the more common definition of "sheep" that gets a lot of use is anyone who believes that they don't have to protect themselves or educate themselves - that it's the role of others (such as the government) to do that for them. That way, they can sit naked at home and eat meat loaf and drink themselves silly, and the police will "protect" them and the schools will "educate" their children.

A "sheep" is someone who will stand there while the gunman goes from one person to the next, calmly shooting people in the head. Someone who allows the gunman to reload and do some more people. A "sheep" is someone who will not care what the schools teach their kids (whether it's creationism or any other nonsense).

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep


Oh look, the latest NSG nazi-troll equates gay rights with race treason. How droll.

i fail to see what's wrong with this
I don't think you understand. Life is a competition! If you let other people benefit from things that have no impact on your own life, then you're letting them get ahead, and then they might beat you!



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I have to say, though I have seen the episode in question, I think that I would have found it to be a clear satire even had I not-- it's a clear play on the idea of giving homosexuals "civil unions" instead of "marriages." The two things that would suggest this to me are, well, the obvious ridiculousness of the quote and the striking similarity to the actual idea it parodies.

But, like I said, I have seen the episode, so I suppose I can't ever know for sure whether I'd have reacted that way without prior knowledge.

What if, instead of marriage, they can just be "butt buddies"?
I wasn't just talking about the right to get married. I was talking also about the right not to be discriminated against in hiring and such.
I believe that I might have come up with a compromise to this whole problem that will make everyone happy! People in the gay community want the same rights as married couples, but dissenters don't want the word "marriage" corrupted.
Marriage has already been corrupted.......for years.....by straight people.


So how about we let gay people get married, but call it something else?
but it's not something else, so you would be lying, or trying to coddle people who don't need it.
The homosexuals will have all the exact same rights as married couples, but instead of referring to them as "married," they can be “butt buddies”.
and what about lesbians? fur-munchies? it sounds so grown up and stuff! surely you aren't trying to marginalize them?

Instead of being "man and wife," they'll be “butt buddies”. They won't be "betrothed," they'll be “butt buddies”. Get it? Instead of a "bride and groom," they'd be “butt buddies”.
haha! homophobia is funny! yay! hey! when black people get married lets call them "jungle buddies" it's cute and it won't offend the racists!:rolleyes:

I wasn't just talking about the right to get married. I was talking also about the right not to be discriminated against in hiring and such.

Marriage has already been corrupted.......for years.....by straight people.



but it's not something else, so you would be lying, or trying to coddle people who don't need it.

and what about lesbians? fur-munchies? it sounds so grown up and stuff! surely you aren't trying to marginalize them?


haha! homophobia is funny! yay! hey! when black people get married lets call them "jungle buddies" it's cute and it won't offend the racists!:rolleyes:

*lol

Smunkee, that whole speech he gave there is taken from South Park... ;)
I don't believe he agrees with any of it, but sarcasm on the interwebs is, well, difficult.

*lol

Smunkee, that whole speech he gave there is taken from South Park... ;)
I don't believe he agrees with any of it, but sarcasm on the interwebs is, well, difficult.

yeah, I know, but it was fun. can't a girl have fun? it was fun. fun! :p

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

Yep, I'm a total sheep. See, I keep making this mistake of putting myself in the shoes of other people, and then decide how I would want to be treated in their place. I'm well aware that to stop being a sheep, I should pick a nationality, religion, race, party, brand of tea and football team and follow them no matter what bullshit they get up to. But I just can't help it, I can't switch off my brain like that. I guess it's my destiny to remain a sheep forever...

BAAAAH!

yeah, I know, but it was fun. can't a girl have fun? it was fun. fun! :p

Sure thing. I didn't mean to spoil it... just disregard my post and go on with the heated debatte ;)

Sure thing. I didn't mean to spoil it... just disregard my post and go on with the heated debatte ;)

:fluffle: I saw your tatt a few days back......very nice.

:fluffle: I saw your tatt a few days back......very nice.

Thanks! :)
I'm expecting to see a pic of yours as soon as you get it done! :fluffle:

Simple enough question <snip>

*looks at his own name*

Eeuhm, yes :D

Sorry, I don't watch South Park. It wasn't really clear that you didn't mean it.

See now, nowhere in this quoted post is there something to suggest the following:



So unless you put something in your posts when they quote other sources, say, something like this: [/South Park] to let us know, there's no WAY you can expect an entire thread full of people to have seen that episode and remember that quote -- LEAST of all those who don't even watch the show. It's called courtesy.



Assuming that everyone here A) watches South Park, B) has SEEN that episode, and C) can remember the quote without hearing the character's voice deliver it requires a level of arrogance which, while not excessive, is pretty damned high. I don't think you'd appreciate being mocked for not knowing the source of something someone else quoted when the source was not presented anywhere in the post. Again, it's called courtesy.

I don't think you understand. Life is a competition! If you let other people benefit from things that have no impact on your own life, then you're letting them get ahead, and then they might beat you!




I have to say, though I have seen the episode in question, I think that I would have found it to be a clear satire even had I not-- it's a clear play on the idea of giving homosexuals "civil unions" instead of "marriages." The two things that would suggest this to me are, well, the obvious ridiculousness of the quote and the striking similarity to the actual idea it parodies.

But, like I said, I have seen the episode, so I suppose I can't ever know for sure whether I'd have reacted that way without prior knowledge.

Yeah, Pirated Corsairs nailed down my thought process here. I may not have considered that not everyone watches South Park, but I didn't actively expect everyone to know it was from there. I did, however, think that the quote itself would give itself up as satire.

Yeah, Pirated Corsairs nailed down my thought process here. I may not have considered that not everyone watches South Park, but I didn't actively expect everyone to know it was from there. I did, however, think that the quote itself would give itself up as satire.

Granted, it was pretty over the top. But then, so is the OP...I guess it's not really too late for him to say "Hey, South Park! I was just kidding!", either.

Old meme is Old.
But it's acceptable when it's true.

So I'll say it again.

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

This thread loses points because no one has said "sheeple" yet. You all disappoint me.:(

Granted, it was pretty over the top. But then, so is the OP...I guess it's not really too late for him to say "Hey, South Park! I was just kidding!", either.

That's... actually a really good point.

Yeah, Pirated Corsairs nailed down my thought process here. I may not have considered that not everyone watches South Park, but I didn't actively expect everyone to know it was from there. I did, however, think that the quote itself would give itself up as satire.

Fair enough. But like Veblenia says, below, given the outlandish nature of the OP, and given that I have seen you (and others) post like that before, but those who objected probably haven't, or didn't make the connection, it's not unreasonable to think that someone in the entirety of NSG might think you were serious. Or cereal. Regardless, bygones.

Granted, it was pretty over the top. But then, so is the OP...I guess it's not really too late for him to say "Hey, South Park! I was just kidding!", either.

Exactly.

This thread loses points because no one has said "sheeple" yet. You all disappoint me.:(

I gotta go with the other poster who said OLD MEME IS STILL OLD. Sorry, but "sheeple" is just too cutesy and childish in my opinion. I am instantly wary of anyone who uses the word.

That's... actually a really good point.

I did the same thing in another thread, and admittedly, the person who called me on it was much more polite. Anyway, like Intangelon says, it's water under the bridge.

I did the same thing in another thread, and admittedly, the person who called me on it was much more polite. Anyway, like Intangelon says, it's water under the bridge.

I apologize for any impoliteness on my part.



I can't take you ANYwhere!

But I --

SHUT UP! You just WAIT 'til the superego gets home!

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

People can give money or assistance to almost whoever they like, that doesn't make them sheep. In fact, it would (probably) indicate a more intelligent person.

I apologize for any impoliteness on my part.




Oh, no, sorry, that's not what I meant. I was actually trying to apologize for my own impoliteness.

You know, according to your definitions I'm a sheep. However, I think your definitions are flawed, for the very simple reason that I could not give a fuck what the "PC Brigade" think. I only care about fellow humans here, my opinions aren't formed by some strange organisation which I always hear mentioned but no-one is able to point out. Anyway, to comment on a few of your other accusations:

Re: Religion. I follow a religion, and I allow that to guide my opinions of Homosexuals and Drug Users, to name but two groups. I'm a Christian, so I listen to Jesus when he said "Love God, and love your neighbour." Answer me this: if you claim to be Christian, how do you manage to reconcile your obviously bigoted and hateful opinions with the recorded message of love preached by the most important figure of your faith?

Re: Conservatives have it hard. Good. Conservatives are basically saying "We don't want stuff to change, despite the fact that the current situation is, quite frankly, rubbish." I have no time for that. A world in which Conservatives have it easy is a world in which too few people are doing their part in highlighting and fixing social issues.

Re: Crime. Why must I automatically be against those things which I don't do myself? I can see several situations where crime is the justified, best course of action, and as such I don't condemn, indeed actively encourage, these. For instance, criminal action is often the best method of carrying out anti-government agitation. Or if you insist one must be against crime, I take it you're on the streets protesting about the Bush administration using torture in Guantanamo, yes?

Generally, your definition of sheep seems to be "One who disagrees with me". That strikes me as entirely too broad, especially because it ends up including me in a group with such people as Andaras and Neu Leonstein, both of whom I disagree with quite a lot. Furthermore, your justificiations for your positions are inconsistant with your probable faith, and generally strike me as downright antisocial. If failing to see why I can't support something without getting something out of it myself makes me a sheep, I'll wear the label with pride.

I'm a sheep

Bah

http://www.andyofniall.net/assets/Blog/black-sheep.jpg

Baaah

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/photos/blacksheep/blacksheep2.gif

Baaaah!

My name is Emmanuel Goldstein and I approve this thread.

Wisdom from one who has been there?
points \/
Bondage is awesome. *nods*
I'd say the answer is a yes. What of it, there's a number of us here on NSG that are into bondage.

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

I for one do not consider every change good, generally if it's reactionary I will be opposed to it.

All your examples are of a person from one group being ok with people of another group. In other words, you want to live in your perfect little box, filled entirely with rascist straight non-druggy whites. Welcome to the fucking real world, it's not happening short of Holocaust 2.0.

On to your specific questions...

Explain why being straight and supporting human rights is a bad thing.

Expain what's wrong with liberty and allowing people to choose how to live their own life.

Right..., I'm not really into generalizing people into homogenous groups, so yeah, I don't criticize entire races of people, in fact, I don't really even recognize race as anything more than a silly abstact concept.

It depends on the crime really, there are some laws which I find idiotic or trivial and wouldn't bother reporting someone for. On the other hand, acts such as stealing, assault, rape, murder, etc. I would stop if possibe and certainly report or be a witness to.

So yeah, until you provide some non-irrational explanations over why some of the things above are so bad, I'll say you're the sheep.

Why not? You might discover how to conquer the known world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great), lay the foundations of political philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato[/url), write epic poetry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil) or create masterpieces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci).

Or even lead a Crusade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lionheart) or invent a machine leading to changes in the very foundations of society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing).

lead a Crusade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lionheart)


:confused:

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all
changes make me groan, I need my routine! If they do not affect me directly, I am often rather conservative as well, not politically, but in terms of technology for example, I pine for the days when men were still men and wrote their own device drivers (cookies if you get that reference).

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it
If others benefit from it and it doesn't put people into worse positions, it's a move towards an optimum. Even I am for these ones.

People who are straight giving support to gay rights

I benefit from that in that respect that society in general seems to be more tolerant to choice of partners than it was at my parents' time.

People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users

Drugs? Like alcohol? Tobacco? Caffeine? Marijuana? I benefit from that because if the government would stop putting so much money and effort into fighting drug crime, they'd have a chance to fight the crime, which I fear most (bullies who beat people up after school).

People of one race who criticize their own race and support others

Well, that is idiotic. But the need to overcompensate for racism is better than racism.

People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

This depends on the crime, eh? There are crimes, which are moral and the people who made them a crime were immoral. Think of lèse-majesté for something like that. I am writing from a land, which has these laws still in place, but if somebody would insult the Bundespräsident and be subjected to these laws, I'd support him. The federal president is not a higher being than anyone else in the country, eh?

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?
I guess mindlessly repeating right-wing propaganda is one of the additional signs...

I'm a sheep

Bah

http://www.andyofniall.net/assets/Blog/black-sheep.jpg

Baaah

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/photos/blacksheep/blacksheep2.gif

Baaaah!

aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
scary sheep!

Come on, the OP is saying that supporting anyone who isn't just like you and/or anything which benefits other people makes you a sheep. I'm not sure whether to be impressed or annoyed at the large number of serious replies to this thread. I was planning to post about this revealing the infinite, horrifying void of stupidity beyond comprehension of the human mind, or something like that, but that put me off. :(

Alright, so if a change has no effect on my life but benefits someone else... then.. what? I should be mad about that? I don't think so.
For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.

More extremely: If Bush made a tax that'd make the poor even poorer, and you, a middle class individual, were unaffected, but Bush and crew found themselves benefiting - at the cost of all the lower class - you wouldn't care?

Come on, the OP is saying that supporting anyone who isn't just like you and/or anything which benefits other people makes you a sheep. I'm not sure whether to be impressed or annoyed at the large number of serious replies to this thread. I was planning to post about this revealing the infinite, horrifying void of stupidity beyond comprehension of the human mind, or something like that, but that put me off. :(

So you're saying the OP is an Objectivist?

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.

Why would it be an insult? :confused:


More extremely: If Bush made a tax that'd make the poor even poorer, and you, a middle class individual, were unaffected, but Bush and crew found themselves benefiting - at the cost of all the lower class - you wouldn't care?

How is homosexual marriage affecting your finances?

legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages.
Do you imply that anyone who supports gay marriages doesn't maintain loving, heterosexual relationship?
Speak for yourself, please.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.

Umm what? How is it an insult, why is it frustrating?

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.

So you speak for all happily married couples? Mighty big headed of you. But then again, people of your ilk seem to think that only your opinion matters.

And you don't have a right not to be insulted. Get over yourself.

I was planning to post about this revealing the infinite, horrifying void of stupidity beyond comprehension of the human mind, or something like that, but that put me off. :(

Post on. I doubt you could do that particular subject sufficient justice. I doubt any of us could.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains insecure, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.

fixed

Post on. I doubt you could do that particular subject sufficient justice. I doubt any of us could.

That was basically the phrase I was going to use, so now it seems a bit contrived. I had something which sounded funny in my head, but it's gone now. Ah well, it would probably have ended badly.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.


Um, what? How? It's not like the all the gay people would be getting married in heterosexual relationships if they couldn't marry each other. So how is recognising that a loving couple should have the right to legitimise their relationship and gain legal protections irrespective the gender of the participants insulting "straight" marriage? Please, enquiring minds wish to know.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.It sounds like logic, but on closer inspection, it isn't.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.




Oh yeah. As soon as same-sex marriage was legalized here I ran right out and got a divorce, because I didn't want people to see my wedding ring and think I was, y'know....that way.... [/caustic sarcasm]

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

The definition of a sheep is someone who does something just because everyone else is doing it, although you could argue the same holds true for people who purposely do the opposite of what others want just because they don't want to do what other people are doing as they're still basing their actions off of what other people do.
The term comes from how when you're trying to herd sheep all you need to do is get one to go where you need them all to be and the others follow without thought or concern.


How am I a sheep, when i stay true to my religion, politics, gender, sexuality, etc?

Your post suggests you're a sheep, because you made sure to ignore the logic in some statements suggesting you're only saying it's wrong because your religion and politics and whatever say it is.

But to answer the question, no, I'm not a sheep. I'm more like a cat, I do my own thing and if I happen to do what everyone else is doing so be it and if I happen to be doing what everyone else is not doing so be it. Well that and I'm too damn stubborn, extremely opinionated, and my curiousity will be the death of me XD

The definition of a sheep is someone who does something just because everyone else is doing it, although you could argue the same holds true for people who purposely do the opposite of what others want just because they don't want to do what other people are doing as they're still basing their actions off of what other people do.

Ohhh and here was me thinking that a sheep in this context was a person who because of a lack of knowledge or understanding on a particular matter followed the rest of the peer group.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.

Bagurkgagurk????

In other words, 2+2=5...

Judging by the massive response to your post, though, I think you've been sufficiently flogged, drawn and quartered, and tarred and feathered. I won't add to the humiliation...much.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.


I agree

For many centuries, homosexuals have been put in their rightful place as a suppressed minority that proper society rightfully regards a obscene,
Now, like MANY other things, America among other weak Democratic nations, has given in to the pressure of minority groups, regardless that such goes against democracy.

Democracy in the textbook words: "The right to a form of government in which power is invested in the people as a whole, usually exercised on their behalf by elected representatives"

So by selecting these small minority groups and giving them special additional rights, regardless of any clear majority which is against such actions, would be better called 'Liberal Facism'. Where the powers that be, grant privileges to any special interest group, regardless of the drawbacks, and clamps down on any voices of opposition to the matter.

Not that much can be expected from Nations such as America, Australia and New Zealand, which are simply still suffering from their history of being British colonies formed by the Criminals and Mentally Disabled that Mother Britain didnt want on her lands at the time, so therein lies the truth behind so many poor decisions made by government members descended from criminal/retard heritage, whilst others in power simply fold to that they have been born and raised in such an environment of idiocy and sadly follow those traits from having been taught them rather than inherited them.

Also adding further problems, that many other smaller democratic nations, despite once upon a time having strong morals, simply modify their ideal of democracy based on what other nations current standards are, hence why even those nations of sane and reasonable government officials turn corrupt as they include foreign traits into their form of control

I agree

For many centuries, homosexuals have been put in their rightful place as a suppressed minority that proper society rightfully regards a obscene,


Ah yes, the good old days. When nazis like you were just executed.

Now we actually have to listen to you spew your filth.

Ah yes, the good old days. When nazis like you were just executed.

Now we actually have to listen to you spew your filth.

Bwahahahah you are funny, heres a word for you, Satire.

Bwahahahah you are funny, heres a word for you, Satire.

Here's another word... troll. If you are saying Kirschenshittenmyass doesn't believe what he's saying and is just "satirically" pissing people off for the sake of it, by all means report him to the mods. Otherwise, I'm taking him at face value.

It sounds like logic, but on closer inspection, it isn't.

Hey, be fair. It doesn't even sound like logic.

I agree

For many centuries, homosexuals have been put in their rightful place as a suppressed minority that proper society rightfully regards a obscene,
Now, like MANY other things, America among other weak Democratic nations, has given in to the pressure of minority groups, regardless that such goes against democracy.

Democracy in the textbook words: "The right to a form of government in which power is invested in the people as a whole, usually exercised on their behalf by elected representatives"

So by selecting these small minority groups and giving them special additional rights, regardless of any clear majority which is against such actions, would be better called 'Liberal Facism'. Where the powers that be, grant privileges to any special interest group, regardless of the drawbacks, and clamps down on any voices of opposition to the matter.

Not that much can be expected from Nations such as America, Australia and New Zealand, which are simply still suffering from their history of being British colonies formed by the Criminals and Mentally Disabled that Mother Britain didnt want on her lands at the time, so therein lies the truth behind so many poor decisions made by government members descended from criminal/retard heritage, whilst others in power simply fold to that they have been born and raised in such an environment of idiocy and sadly follow those traits from having been taught them rather than inherited them.

Also adding further problems, that many other smaller democratic nations, despite once upon a time having strong morals, simply modify their ideal of democracy based on what other nations current standards are, hence why even those nations of sane and reasonable government officials turn corrupt as they include foreign traits into their form of control

Dear god, so much wrong with this post. First, let me pick up on this: "by selecting these small minority groups and giving them special additional rights". It is not additional rights. It is equal rights, a founding principle of the United States. Nice to know you care that little for it.

And no, the powers that be are not clamping down on opposition. We can see this quite easily --- you haven't been arrested for spewing this bullshit.

You see, one of the reasons that America isn't a democracy is precisely this: to ensure liberty. That's why you have a constitution and are a republic, because certain rights and privileges are judged to be assured for all, despite what the majority think. The founding fathers made the right decision there, because we have some bigoted idiots like you trying to say that inequality is the right way to go about things.

Here's another word... troll. If you are saying Kirschenshittenmyass doesn't believe what he's saying and is just "satirically" pissing people off for the sake of it, by all means report him to the mods. Otherwise, I'm taking him at face value.

I have no reason to report him/her to the mods, I thought that last post of his/hers was very very funny, it didn't piss me off at all.

I agree

For many centuries, homosexuals have been put in their rightful place as a suppressed minority that proper society rightfully regards a obscene,
Now, like MANY other things, America among other weak Democratic nations, has given in to the pressure of minority groups, regardless that such goes against democracy.

Democracy in the textbook words: "The right to a form of government in which power is invested in the people as a whole, usually exercised on their behalf by elected representatives"

So by selecting these small minority groups and giving them special additional rights, regardless of any clear majority which is against such actions, would be better called 'Liberal Facism'. Where the powers that be, grant privileges to any special interest group, regardless of the drawbacks, and clamps down on any voices of opposition to the matter.

Not that much can be expected from Nations such as America, Australia and New Zealand, which are simply still suffering from their history of being British colonies formed by the Criminals and Mentally Disabled that Mother Britain didnt want on her lands at the time, so therein lies the truth behind so many poor decisions made by government members descended from criminal/retard heritage, whilst others in power simply fold to that they have been born and raised in such an environment of idiocy and sadly follow those traits from having been taught them rather than inherited them.

Also adding further problems, that many other smaller democratic nations, despite once upon a time having strong morals, simply modify their ideal of democracy based on what other nations current standards are, hence why even those nations of sane and reasonable government officials turn corrupt as they include foreign traits into their form of control

'k, you're not just a sheep, you're an elist jackass who is proud to advertise to the world that the absolute only thing on your mind is how much you hate certain people. You're probably even one of those people who thinks you have to hate the right people to get into Heaven. I can't pick out a single paragraph there that doesn't come from blind hatred.
How is having a country that was settled by people looking to escape religions persecution and founded on the principles of seperation of church and state and equal representation having "government members descended from criminal/retard heritage"?
And what is wrong with explaining what's wrong with gay rights? If they're supposedly such an insult to straight people and such a huge threat to moral values then it should be very easy to explain why. What specifically is it they do? Is it how just like straight people they too fail to defy all rules of biology? All I've heard so far against gay rights are quotes from a flawed book that people act is more important than the entity it was supposedly inspired by who is said to accept people as who they are and expect others to do likewise.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages.

No, it isn't. It's only an insult who believe their way of life should be everyone's way of life.

More extremely: If Bush made a tax that'd make the poor even poorer, and you, a middle class individual, were unaffected, but Bush and crew found themselves benefiting - at the cost of all the lower class - you wouldn't care?

Heh… the homosexuals control Hollywood!

Not that much can be expected from Nations such as America, Australia and New Zealand, which are simply still suffering from their history of being British colonies formed by the Criminals and Mentally Disabled that Mother Britain didnt want on her lands at the time, so therein lies the truth behind so many poor decisions made by government members descended from criminal/retard heritage, whilst others in power simply fold to that they have been born and raised in such an environment of idiocy and sadly follow those traits from having been taught them rather than inherited them.

Which is why Britain, along with the other European nations, is so much futher ahead than our weak nations in the supression of the rights of minorities. :rolleyes:

People who are straight giving support to gay rights

how exactly do this make people sheep. this example just means some people have different opinions from the supposed norm. im straight and i support gay rights simply because i think consenting adults are free to do whatever they like with whoever.

for me to be a sheep, that would mean i would, for example, buy a particular product just because my friends do. this i dont do, if i need or like something i buy it. whether or not my friends have it is irrelevant.

I don't think we can rule Kit as a troll. We have no posting record other than this to go by, so I'm going to assume he's genuine until proven otherwise. And I'm going to laugh sadistically, and thank him for unintentionally drawing all the reactionaries out of the woodwork.

I evaluate changes based on my view of reality and my beliefs. I seriously doubt that that makes me a sheep.

I am straight, but I believe that gay marriage should be legal. The only grounds I can find to oppose gay marriage are religious, and the concept of imposing my beliefs on others is abhorrent to me.

I think that drugs are a problem, but drug users aren't. First, we need to deal with the fact that marijuana is illegal, but the most addictive drug in the world (tobacco) is legal.

I don't support criminals in general. If a law is unjust, I don't consider the one who breaks it to be a criminal.

And I have an innate dislike of anyone who makes decisions based on race.

And I'm going to laugh sadistically, and thank him for unintentionally drawing all the reactionaries out of the woodwork.
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CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.
Unfortunately no, I am human. I am ashamed to admit of being a member of this abominable race, which you have the poor judgment to worry about.

You were sort of making sense until you got to the examples, OP.

How am I a sheep, when i stay true to my religion, politics, gender, sexuality, etc?

I may use or manipulate the other sides when i can but I sure as hell dont support them in any way

FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

Nationalism promotes individuals to make proper decisions based on facts, Democracy and liberalism tells its own to support whatever minority group cries the loudest for special treatment

God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural...fluids.

How about:

People who are of the master race, but support lesser races to continue existing?

Let's fire up those furnaces right away!

nah, ovens are old-fashioned
With todays technology we can look into a quick sterilization job to prevent reproduction

Eunuchs (men with nads removed) are accepted in some cultures, lets copy them

Eunuchs (men with nads removed) are accepted in some cultures, lets copy them

People who accept eunuchs are minorities, we don't have to cater to them. :rolleyes:

God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural...fluids.


lol you mean bodily fluids, and dont worry both communism and fluoride can be avoided in this day and age


from what the OP is suggesting than the only way not to be a sheep is to be a nihilist

nah, ovens are old-fashioned
With todays technology we can look into a quick sterilization job to prevent reproduction

Eunuchs (men with nads removed) are accepted in some cultures, lets copy them

Whom are you suggesting we castrate? The Jews?

Oh, no, sorry, that's not what I meant. I was actually trying to apologize for my own impoliteness.

Oh, alrighty then. Thanks.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.

Frustrating? Exactly how? How are two people of the same gender getting married and being just as miserable (mostly joking) as heterosexual couples in any way frustrating to you? And for cryin' out loud, HOW is it any kind of insult to anyone?

More extremely: If Bush made a tax that'd make the poor even poorer, and you, a middle class individual, were unaffected, but Bush and crew found themselves benefiting - at the cost of all the lower class - you wouldn't care?

That analogy is so far off the mark that if this were an archery contest, you'd have skewered the announcer. Of course I would care if the wealthy absconded with more wealth at the expense of the poor -- that has NOTHING WHATOEVER TO DO with gay marriage, and I defy you to show that it does.

I agree

For many centuries, homosexuals have been put in their rightful place as a suppressed minority that proper society rightfully regards a obscene,
Now, like MANY other things, America among other weak Democratic nations, has given in to the pressure of minority groups, regardless that such goes against democracy.

Proper society? You mean preachers like Ted Haggard? Mayors like Jim West? Sentors like Larry Craig? Wholesome entertainers like Rock Hudson?

Democracy in the textbook words: "The right to a form of government in which power is invested in the people as a whole, usually exercised on their behalf by elected representatives"

America and the others you mention aren't democracies, and thank God for that. They're representative republics for precisely the reason you're espousing -- so that mob rule doesn't deprive anyone of their equality under the law.

So by selecting these small minority groups and giving them special additional rights, regardless of any clear majority which is against such actions, would be better called 'Liberal Facism'. Where the powers that be, grant privileges to any special interest group, regardless of the drawbacks, and clamps down on any voices of opposition to the matter.

Not special rights, EQUAL rights. The right NOT to be discriminated against, or treated differently because of race, color, gender, orientation -- anything. "Liberal fascism" is an oxymoron, farther to the left is socialism and eventually communism. Fascism is a child of the right side of that spectrum. If you can tell me where anyone has ever received a privilege instead of equality, you'll be on the right track. Until then, stay on the track you're on -- the train of logic will crush you like a grape.

Your "clear majority" only objects because they perceive equality for others as somehow bad for them because they were in the catbird seat for so long. Now they actually have to work to set themselves apart from others who are working harder than they are. Tough shit. Suck it up and learn to live life WITH equality and WITHOUT privilege.

Not that much can be expected from Nations such as America, Australia and New Zealand, which are simply still suffering from their history of being British colonies formed by the Criminals and Mentally Disabled that Mother Britain didnt want on her lands at the time, so therein lies the truth behind so many poor decisions made by government members descended from criminal/retard heritage, whilst others in power simply fold to that they have been born and raised in such an environment of idiocy and sadly follow those traits from having been taught them rather than inherited them.

Right, the Founding Fathers of the US were all criminals. Ben Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, John Hancock, Madison, Monroe, Jay, and so on. All criminals. By the way, the use of "retard" in this context really makes you look foolish. Mother Britain wanted to reap the reward of new untapped resources overseas, and sent all those who'd help Her do exactly that. History has decided whether these men were noble or not, but you don't send the "mentally disabled" to secure your raw materials for empire. You're trying so hard and yet spinning your wheels in an epic fashion. Keep it up -- I'm making popcorn.

Also adding further problems, that many other smaller democratic nations, despite once upon a time having strong morals, simply modify their ideal of democracy based on what other nations current standards are, hence why even those nations of sane and reasonable government officials turn corrupt as they include foreign traits into their form of control

Ah yes, "strong morals" like miscegenation laws, lynching, separate water fountains for people with different colored skin, spousal and child abuse without consequence, hushing up indiscretions to protect reputations no matter what the cost to the victims, usury, indentured servitude/sharecropping, yup. All stuff Jesus would do , alright. :rolleyes:

Nice try, McCarthy.

lol you mean bodily fluids, and dont worry both communism and fluoride can be avoided in this day and age

But what about gays and sheep?

from what the OP is suggesting than the only way not to be a sheep is to be a nihilist

Or being true to one's sexuality. :p

How am I a sheep, when i stay true to my religion, politics, gender, sexuality, etc?

nah, ovens are old-fashioned
With todays technology we can look into a quick sterilization job to prevent reproduction

Eunuchs (men with nads removed) are accepted in some cultures, lets copy them

Okay, now I know you're just a troll. Well done. Take a bow. It's over.

So by selecting these small minority groups and giving them special additional rights, regardless of any clear majority which is against such actions, would be better called 'Liberal Facism'.

You would prefer traditional, I see. :p

Okay, now I know you're just a troll. Well done. Take a bow. It's over.

I hope to Satan he is a troll.

For example, the legalization of homosexual marriage may benefit homosexuals, but it's only an insult to everyone else in the country who maintains loving, heterosexual relationships and marriages. It's extremely frustrating.


How? Frankly, if you find it insulting, you need to grow up.


Hell, Ill wager that every moralist nanny needs to grow the fuck up.

Homophobia: The inexplicable, irrational fear that somewhere, somehow, two men are engaging in buttsecks...

Simple enough question

Are you a sheep:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all

People who are straight giving support to gay rights
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it

And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?

You think there's something inherently wrong about straight people giving support to gay rights?

even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

Well, I'm one of those weird sheep types who thinks changes like advances in civil rights are good because they benefit others and don't disadvantage anyone else.

Amusing post though.

Oh, alrighty then. Thanks.



Frustrating? Exactly how? How are two people of the same gender getting married and being just as miserable (mostly joking) as heterosexual couples in any way frustrating to you? And for cryin' out loud, HOW is it any kind of insult to anyone?



That analogy is so far off the mark that if this were an archery contest, you'd have skewered the announcer. Of course I would care if the wealthy absconded with more wealth at the expense of the poor -- that has NOTHING WHATOEVER TO DO with gay marriage, and I defy you to show that it does.



Proper society? You mean preachers like Ted Haggard? Mayors like Jim West? Sentors like Larry Craig? Wholesome entertainers like Rock Hudson?



America and the others you mention aren't democracies, and thank God for that. They're representative republics for precisely the reason you're espousing -- so that mob rule doesn't deprive anyone of their equality under the law.



Not special rights, EQUAL rights. The right NOT to be discriminated against, or treated differently because of race, color, gender, orientation -- anything. "Liberal fascism" is an oxymoron, farther to the left is socialism and eventually communism. Fascism is a child of the right side of that spectrum. If you can tell me where anyone has ever received a privilege instead of equality, you'll be on the right track. Until then, stay on the track you're on -- the train of logic will crush you like a grape.

Your "clear majority" only objects because they perceive equality for others as somehow bad for them because they were in the catbird seat for so long. Now they actually have to work to set themselves apart from others who are working harder than they are. Tough shit. Suck it up and learn to live life WITH equality and WITHOUT privilege.



Right, the Founding Fathers of the US were all criminals. Ben Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, John Hancock, Madison, Monroe, Jay, and so on. All criminals. By the way, the use of "retard" in this context really makes you look foolish. Mother Britain wanted to reap the reward of new untapped resources overseas, and sent all those who'd help Her do exactly that. History has decided whether these men were noble or not, but you don't send the "mentally disabled" to secure your raw materials for empire. You're trying so hard and yet spinning your wheels in an epic fashion. Keep it up -- I'm making popcorn.



Ah yes, "strong morals" like miscegenation laws, lynching, separate water fountains for people with different colored skin, spousal and child abuse without consequence, hushing up indiscretions to protect reputations no matter what the cost to the victims, usury, indentured servitude/sharecropping, yup. All stuff Jesus would do , alright. :rolleyes:

Nice try, McCarthy.


Excellent post.

Excellent post.

Seconded.

I fuck sheep.

Literally, not metaphorically.

Homophobia: The inexplicable, irrational fear that somewhere, somehow, two men are engaging in buttsecks...

...and that they're not including you.

I have no idea who the PC brigade is, but I am a fan of the computer as a gaming platform. At any rate I don't follow half-baked ideas, nor any sort of meat that isn't well-done.


You sheep. I'm not even female. However, as you blindly accepted some forum postcount title as the truth, you assumed I was. Fie. Fie on you.

That made me lol a bit.
And I vaguely know what fie means only due to the content of your reply.
8)

nah, ovens are old-fashioned
With todays technology we can look into a quick sterilization job to prevent reproduction

Eunuchs (men with nads removed) are accepted in some cultures, lets copy them

Let's start with you, and all ultra fundamentalist bigots.

God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural...fluids.

*Laughs.*
But what if the enemy has a Doomsday Device?

That beats any response I could think of to that quote.

*Laughs.*
But what if the enemy has a Doomsday Device?

That beats any response I could think of to that quote.

Gentlemen, please! You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

Simply because an idea is popular, doesn't mean that those who subscribe to those beliefs are "sheep."
The reason for the prevalence of those ideas is that people are starting to wake up to the idea that it's not good to oppress others.

Let's start with you, and all ultra fundamentalist bigots.

Second

How am I a sheep, when i stay true to my religion, politics, gender, sexuality, etc?

I may use or manipulate the other sides when i can but I sure as hell dont support them in any way

It ain't for nothin' we have schools and churches called "Good Shepherd" and the congregation is referred to as the "flock".

“Liberal fascism” is an oxymoron
Obviously.

Liberalism promotes the individual over the state, while fascism promotes the state over the individual. The two are polar opposites.

Okay, now I know you’re just a troll. Well done. Take a bow. It’s over.
It took you guys 15 pages to figure that out?

Dear god, so much wrong with this post. First, let me pick up on this: "by selecting these small minority groups and giving them special additional rights". It is not additional rights. It is equal rights, a founding principle of the United States. Nice to know you care that little for it.

In his defense (on this point only) he has no particular reason to care about the founding principles of the US, since he is (if I remember correctly) from Poland, and in any case not an American.

Obviously.

Liberalism promotes the individual over the state, while fascism promotes the state over the individual. The two are polar opposites.

That would make Communism conservative. :D

I know I'm not a sheep, because I follow the word of God. Accepting the Bible as total truth and not thinking about it makes me a non-sheep. Anyone with an opinion different to mine is a sheep of everyone else.

Simple enough question
Are you a sheep:
:rolleyes:
Do you accept every change in the world as good, and acceptable, or do you actually stop and think about what that change means, and weigh up if its actually good or bad,...if its overall good, or if it seems good to some but not all
The bolded
There are so many such changes happening every day, and many people simply agree with them, even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it
And that would be a problem how?
People who are straight giving support to gay rights
Yeah, equal rights is a horrible idea :rolleyes:
People who are clean, giving support to drugs and users
So?
People of one race who criticize their own race and support others
What race other than humans?
People who do not commit crime, but are okay with others doing it
Not sure where this came from...
And there are many more signs of being a sheep

Are you one?
By your standards, I'd say that yes I probably am.

Homophobia: The inexplicable, irrational fear that somewhere, somehow, two men are engaging in buttsecks...

Actually it's more like "The inexplicable, irrational fear that somewhere, somehow, you might actually be attractive enough for a man to buttsecks when you're not looking."

Actually it's more like "The inexplicable, irrational fear that somewhere, somehow, you might actually be attractive enough for a man to buttsecks when you're not looking."

Don't forget the fear that they will actually enjoy it.

Because seriously, they're all in the closet.

Don't forget the fear that they will actually enjoy it.

Because seriously, they're all in the closet.

Must not forget that, yes.

even if the change has no effect on their lives, they just go with it because others benefit from it

...

People who are straight giving support to gay rights

This is called "altruism" by some people. Personally, I call it "not being a dickhead".

Ermarian;13594954']This is called "altruism" by some people. Personally, I call it "not being a dickhead".

There two kinds of people in this world: The Pretentious Schmucks and the Sheep. Which one are you?

I fuck sheep.

Literally, not metaphorically.

seconded

There two kinds of people in this world: The Pretentious Schmucks and the Sheep. Which one are you?

A Pretentious Sheep?

A Pretentious Sheep?

A suicide bomber, eh?

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A suicide bomber, eh?

http://www.wormsmayhem.com/images/gameinfo/supersheep.jpg

Possibly, possibly...
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I'm white. I believe race is an outmoded and unscientific concept which would be better forgotten. However, I recognise that it won't be. I recognise that racial injustices still exist in the West, and that my own 'race' has treated others pretty damn badly. My desire to see these injustices resolved leads me to support affirmative action, even though it perpetuates the use of 'race' as a legal and political concept.

I agree with you on many of your points, but this statement is not entairly correct. Much of the rest of the world is pretty damn racist. Per examples: Japanese hate Russians, Russians hate Muslims/ Arabs, Indains hate homosexuals, Chinese hate Japanese, and then there is the whole Darfur tragedy. The list goes on and on. Yes, Europeans did many terrible things to the rest ofthe world, but the concept of racism is not an invention of Western culture. The West just gets better coverage because of its high standards.


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Hey I'm an Aries, just what are you implying?

That would make Communism conservative. :D
Only if you misuse one, or both, of those terms.