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Charlton Heston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston) died. Notable for staring in several Hollywood movies in the 50s, 60s, and such, he also was a strong supporter of the 60s civil rights movement. What many also may know him from is his term as president of the National Rifle Association where he uttered these now-immortal words (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B_UZNtEk4). He also had a significant role in Michael Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore)'s Bowling for Columbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_for_columbine).

RickRoll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/entertainment/7332960.stm)

Heston died on Saturday at his home in Beverly Hills with his wife Lydia, whom he married in 1944, at his side.

Heston also portrayed Michelangelo, El Cid and other heroic figures in movie epics of the 1950s and 1960s.

He stepped down as president of US gun lobby, the National Rifle Association (NRA), in 2003, citing ill-health.

The previous year, he had revealed he had symptoms consistent with Alzheimer's disease.

Heston was born John Charles Carter in Evanston, Illinois, on 4 October 1924.

He studied acting before serving for three years in the US Air Force. But back in civilian life, Heston went through hard times, while waiting for his first break.

In 1952, after working on Broadway, Heston starred as the ringmaster in the movie The Greatest Show on Earth.

Four years later, he appeared as Moses in The Ten Commandments, one of the roles which would define his career.

In b4

gun control debate
Michael Moore debate


It can has be rifle taking tiem now?

WTF does "RickRoll" mean?

Well... at least he doesn't have to live around these damned, dirty apes... Perhaps we can recycle him, you know, make him into some sort of greenish food substance...

I'll stop now.

Y'know, I'm not really sure what possessed me to click on a link that actually said "RickRoll."

Hes gone to the great 6 shooter in the sky.

You'll get his body...from my cold dead hands.

It's been proven that Michael Moore heavily edit his films, that tells lies and half truth. Michael Moore is the equalivilent of Rush Limbaugh.

RIP. I wonder if he'll be buried with a rifle.... I would want to be.

Well... at least he doesn't have to live around these damned, dirty apes... Perhaps we can recycle him, you know, make him into some sort of greenish food substance...

I'll stop now.

Pry tt's people from my cold, dead hands, you damn dirty apes!

RIP. I wonder if he'll be buried with a rifle.... I would want to be.
Yeah, you never know when you might encounter graverobbers and have to defend your mementos. All in favor of the castle policy for caskets!

RIP Ben Hur is still one of the greatest epic movies ever made.

RIP. I wonder if he'll be buried with a rifle.... I would want to be.

Do we really need our zombies rising from the grave armed? :p

Seriously though, Heston was a solid "leading-man" who gave us a bunch of great movies. Kudos to him, I say. RIP.

I forgot to ask this but I will now since I see no one else has.

Did he drop any good loot?

I forgot to ask this but I will now since I see no one else has.

Did he drop any good loot?

Is that a MMORPG reference of some kind?

I was just watching Planet of the Apes just yesterday!

The face of the NRA has died. So sad.

But I wouldn't suggest taking the rifle. He's not cold yet.

Is that a MMORPG reference of some kind?

More of a general video game reference. In many games, most notably rpgs (like Final Fantasy), adventure games (like Zelda), and fps (like Halo), fallen enemies often drop stuff, whether it be gil, health-replenishing hearts, or the energy swords they were holding.

G.I.JOE!!!!

Is that a MMORPG reference of some kind?
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/b/b0/Didhedropgoodloot.gif

More of a general video game reference. In many games, most notably rpgs (like Final Fantasy), adventure games (like Zelda), and fps (like Halo), fallen enemies often drop stuff, whether it be gil, health-replenishing hearts, or the energy swords they were holding.


Yeah, but this is the internet. You're not likely to ask anyone what the minion dropped unless you're playing a MMORPG.

[IMG]

Yeah, I should've guessed. Although I would've guessed D2, so I would've been wrong. :p

It's been proven that Michael Moore heavily edit his films, that tells lies and half truth. Michael Moore is the equalivilent of Rush Limbaugh.

Except he doesn't have sex with underage prostitutes.

It's been proven that Michael Moore heavily edit his films, that tells lies and half truth. Michael Moore is the equalivilent of Rush Limbaugh.

I would say that he's worse, only because he goes the extra mile to try and present himself as an arbiter of facts, and a documentary maker, instead of a propaganda maker. At least Limbaugh admits his stance and bias (over and over again).

Except he doesn't have sex with underage prostitutes.

....What?

Oh and nice thread title. Really nice that you are trivializing the death of a human being.

....What?

Rush Limbaugh has traveled out of the country for the express purpose of having sex with underage prostitutes.

Y'know, I'm not really sure what possessed me to click on a link that actually said "RickRoll."

It's not a RickRoll if the link is accurate about the destination.

Rush Limbaugh has traveled out of the country for the express purpose of having sex with underage prostitutes.

Got proof of this that didn't come from any Leftist or Liberal websites or blogs?

Got proof of this that didn't come from any Leftist or Liberal websites or blogs?

Give me a bit.

Give me a bit.

IE, it only came out of a leftist/liberal news source or blog.

IE, it only came out of a leftist/liberal news source or blog.

Actually, I don't read liberal/leftist news sources or blogs. I avoid them like the plague. It just takes time to find the post I need to find.

Actually, I don't read liberal/leftist news sources or blogs. I avoid them like the plague. It just takes time to find the post I need to find.

*leans back in chair* This ought to be good, and I'm not even a fan of Limbaugh.

I hate this damn search engine.

Edit: I think I found the thread I got this from. It's late, so if that isn't the right thread, I'll retract my claim for the night. I'll also retract it if the source isn't the one I remember.

Edit 2: Holy fuck it's 4:30 in the morning. I'm going to retract the claim for now and finish going through the thread when I wake up. Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550527)'s the thread, if you want to check it.

Edit 3: Goddamn insomnia. I read through the thread, and it wasn't the thread I was thinking of. I'm going to retract the claim for good.

its the end or an era when Actors where Men

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v5e1L5ocXUw

WTF does "RickRoll" mean?

Ya'll are even behind me...

Rickrolling is an Internet meme involving Rick Astley's music video for his song "Never Gonna Give You Up". In a Rickroll, a person provides a link they claim is relevant to the topic at hand which actually takes the user to the Astley video. It can also mean playing the song loudly in public in order to be disruptive.[1]

The practice began as a variant of an earlier prank called duckrolling, in which a link to a popular celebrity or news item would instead lead to a photoshopped picture of a duck with wheels.

By May 2007[2], the practice had become widespread, and it eventually began to garner some coverage in the mainstream media.[3][4][1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickroll

It's been proven that Michael Moore heavily edit his films, that tells lies and half truth. Michael Moore is the equalivilent of Rush Limbaugh.
Proof is a strong word. Got any evidence that isn't from a right wing hate site or right wing biased media source?

Proof is a strong word. Got any evidence that isn't from a right wing hate site or right wing biased media source?

Does a Canadian source criticizing his playing loosely with the facts regarding their health care system count as a right wing biased media source?


http://newsbusters.org/node/12914

Or this:

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/07/02/002124.php

Regardless of what the OP might think of the man especially in regards to his somewhat tasteless title. Charlton Heston was one of the greatest actors to have ever lived I loved him in such films as,

Ben Hur
The Ten Commandments
El Cid
The Agony and the Ecstasy
The Omega Man
Planet of the Apes

It is a said day and to see him pass away like this and I for one fell some sense of sadness as he was one actor of the past along with Kirk Douglas, Sean Connery and Cary Grant (amongst others) which I admired and enjoyed watching his work.

Regardless of what the OP might think of the man especially in regards to his somewhat tasteless title. Charlton Heston was one of the greatest actors to have ever lived I loved him in such films as,

Ben Hur
The Ten Commandments
El Cid
The Agony and the Ecstasy
The Omega Man
Planet of the Apes

It is a said day and to see him pass away like this and I for one fell some sense of sadness as he was one actor of the past along with Kirk Douglas, Sean Connery and Cary Grant (amongst others) which I admired and enjoyed watching his work.

Why doesn't anyone ever remember Soylent Green?

http://www.ctvwinnipeg.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20080406/charlton_heston_080406/20080406/?hub=WinnipegHome

Legendary actor Charlton Heston dead at age 84
Updated: Sun Apr. 06 2008 09:52:47

CTV.ca News Staff

Charlton Heston, the Oscar-winning actor who starred in some of Hollywood's greatest epics, has died at age 84.

He was a pretty good actor, and I only really remember him from 'Planet of the Apes' and 'The Omega Man'.

Already a thread on it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=553560

I heard his last words were "Ok, the dirty apes can touch me now"

RIP Ben Hur is still one of the greatest epic movies ever made.

C.H. was also one of the two Moses humanity will never forget. The other is in the Bible.

anyway... I liked him best in Sam Peckimpah's Sierra Charriba.

(as NRA president he was a 24 kt. solid jerk, but who cares)

Great actor, great man, great American. Rest in peace.

Why doesn't anyone ever remember Soylent Green?

Because SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!

Does a Canadian source criticizing his playing loosely with the facts regarding their health care system count as a right wing biased media source?


http://newsbusters.org/node/12914

Or this:

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/07/02/002124.php

Um.....one article saying that he fudged wait times? Seriously? If the only annoying thing about the Canadian system is wait times, I'd swap for it in a second. Although he is right about the French Healthcare system though. We should steal it. And honestly? A movie review? Seriously?

Um.....one article saying that he fudged wait times? Seriously? If the only annoying thing about the Canadian system is wait times, I'd swap for it in a second. Although he is right about the French Healthcare system though. We should steal it. And honestly? A movie review? Seriously?

Wasn't the question about whether he edits to suit his agenda? We aren't examining what he omitted/edited to suit, but rather IF he omits/edits to suit. The answer is yes, he does.

Why not a movie review? That is his chosen method of propoganda. And a clever way around the campaign laws. He promotes them as documentories, why shouldn't the movie critics expose that he omits what isn't convenient to his agenda?

The question was:

Got any evidence that isn't from a right wing hate site or right wing biased media source?

Neither of those are, now if you include evidence from right wing agenda sites....well there are zillions of articles showing his inconsistencies and tendencies to omit and edit for agenda purposes.

Did anyone really not know this though?

Wasn't the question about whether he edits to suit his agenda? We aren't examining what he omitted/edited to suit, but rather IF he omits/edits to suit. The answer is yes, he does.


So does every documentary filmmaker since Nanook of the North...documentaries are arguments, not news. People should learn the difference.

So does every documentary filmmaker since Nanook of the North...documentaries are arguments, not news. People should learn the difference.

I think people like Michael Moore have reduced the field of documentaries to exactly that...an argument.

If you check the definition, editing and omission done to promote an agenda distorts the factual accuracy.

I agree with you completely that people need to know the difference....the difference in that documentaries have now become nothing more than arguments. For that matter so has the news for the most part.


1. Also, doc·u·men·tal Audio Help /ˌdɒkyəˈmɛntl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dok-yuh-men-tl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. pertaining to, consisting of, or derived from documents: a documentary history of France.

2. Movies, Television. based on or re-creating an actual event, era, life story, etc., that purports to be factually accurate and contains no fictional elements: a documentary life of Gandhi.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=documentary

I think people like Michael Moore have reduced the field of documentaries to exactly that...an argument.

If you check the definition, editing and omission done to promote an agenda distorts the factual accuracy.

I agree with you completely that people need to know the difference....the difference in that documentaries have now become nothing more than arguments. For that matter so has the news for the most part.


1. Also, doc·u·men·tal Audio Help /ˌdɒkyəˈmɛntl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dok-yuh-men-tl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. pertaining to, consisting of, or derived from documents: a documentary history of France.

2. Movies, Television. based on or re-creating an actual event, era, life story, etc., that purports to be factually accurate and contains no fictional elements: a documentary life of Gandhi.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=documentary
People also need to learn that dictionaries do not make them film critics, historians, or experts.

If you don't know shit about film, thats fine. You don't have to. It's not an 'important' subject. But if you don't know shit about film don't go throwing around 'dictionary.com' copypasta and making statements about a format you clearly know nothing about.

Regardless of what the OP might think of the man especially in regards to his somewhat tasteless title. Charlton Heston was one of the greatest actors to have ever lived I loved him in such films as,

Ben Hur
The Ten Commandments
El Cid
The Agony and the Ecstasy
The Omega Man
Planet of the Apes

It is a said day and to see him pass away like this and I for one fell some sense of sadness as he was one actor of the past along with Kirk Douglas, Sean Connery and Cary Grant (amongst others) which I admired and enjoyed watching his work.
For the record, I have not fully evaluated him. I've only seen him in Ten Commandments and Bowling for Columbine. However, I have not seen TC since BfC and didn't really think about who played Moses. I do have a favorable pre-opinion of him though.

People also need to learn that dictionaries do not make them film critics, historians, or experts.

If you don't know shit about film, thats fine. You don't have to. It's not an 'important' subject. But if you don't know shit about film don't go throwing around 'dictionary.com' copypasta and making statements about a format you clearly know nothing about.

I would think since I don't make films it would be very useful to me to actually look up the definition of what a documentary is in reality. As a lay person it helps me know exactly what my expectations should be. It also helps me know that what Mr. Moore produced is in fact not actually a documentary by definition.

I don't make films. I watch films and when I watch a documentary I expect facts and not editorialized facts. (Gee like the definitions say...imagine that.)

The way I see it, if I have to spend my time checking a person's 'facts' on a film claimed to be a documentary then I personally have no desire to watch it as such. I can just assume that all "documentaries" are now about as exacting as An American Gangster is in facts. Mark it up as entertainment and be done with it. ;)

Like I said I merely watch movies, something I think those who make them hope I, the consumer, will continue to want to do. :)

I think that saying the Moore's work is not documentary because of its inaccuracies is unfair - to call it bad documentary may be more accurate.

It's been proven that Michael Moore heavily edit his films, that tells lies and half truth. Michael Moore is the equalivilent of Rush Limbaugh.

Has it? Can you provide evidence of your claim?

Well folks, that's it. The Omega Man has fallen, and El Cid has ridden his last.

Vale!

Oh, and me with my dancing shoes at the cobbler's. :(

Because SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!

Which is something I try to forget every tuesday...

Why doesn't anyone ever remember Soylent Green?

Because I am yet to see that movie I cannot say that he acted well in it. I did know that he starred in it

I am hoping that the movie channels will show some more Heston films now that he has sadly gone until then I will re watch his films that I have on DVD.

Heavenly Father, open your arms to receive the soul of one who lived and died, the purest knight of all

Well, unless he's being kept in a very warm morgue, he should be cold enough by now. Unless rigor mortis intervenes, in which case, drastic measures will have to be taken.

Can't we mummify his hands and mount them to make a unique rifle rack? It would sell well on ebay.

It's been proven that Michael Moore heavily edit his films, that tells lies and half truth. Michael Moore is the equalivilent of Rush Limbaugh.

Thats quite funny that is, don't they all edit their films?

Thats quite funny that is, don't they all edit their films?

I don't think Andy Warhol did - that is why they are long, boring and impossible to watch...

I don't think Andy Warhol did - that is why they are long, boring and impossible to watch...

:D

Can't we mummify his hands and mount them to make a unique rifle rack? It would sell well on ebay.

This is a truly great idea, one of those fantastic ideas that people won't allow in practice for no real good reason aside from 'it's disrespectful', like slavery.

I don't think Andy Warhol did - that is why they are long, boring and impossible to watch...

Like Sleep. I mean, what the Christ.

Fun fact: He actually edited Sleep to make it longer.

Huzzah to one of the great Epic actors! His life saw him defend causes he believed in with the whole of his being, and such dedication to our own beliefs would be well for all of us.

This is a truly great idea, one of those fantastic ideas that people won't allow in practice for no real good reason aside from 'it's disrespectful', like slavery.

Think of the eBay ads:

"Now you can finally pry that rifle from Charlton Heston's Cold Dead Hands... for only $2500.00 US at Starting Bid! Auction concludes in 10 weeks, so act now!"

I think that saying the Moore's work is not documentary because of its inaccuracies is unfair - to call it bad documentary may be more accurate.

A documentary doesn't consist of editing and splicing things the director doesn't like to suit his own needs.

REGARDLESS, he does highlight a lot of the problems in American culture that is fomenting gun violence or the apparent increase in school shootings.

A documentary doesn't consist of editing and splicing things the director doesn't like to suit his own needs.

Yes, it does. Trust me, documentaries get the living fuck edited out of them.

A documentary doesn't consist of editing and splicing things the director doesn't like to suit his own needs.

Erm, yes, actually, it does. That would, in fact, describe pretty much every documentary ever.

Seriously, people, you can dislike and disagree with Michael Moore all you want - but to say he's doing something terribly different from other documentary filmmakers is just plain factually wrong. Documentaries have agendas. They always have. Filmmakers pick and choose what bits to include and exclude based on what message they wish to convey. They're analogous to editorials, not news reporting.

Well... at least he doesn't have to live around these damned, dirty apes... Perhaps we can recycle him, you know, make him into some sort of greenish food substance...

I'll stop now.
IT'S PEOPLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE)!

Erm, yes, actually, it does. That would, in fact, describe pretty much every documentary ever.

Seriously, people, you can dislike and disagree with Michael Moore all you want - but to say he's doing something terribly different from other documentary filmmakers is just plain factually wrong. Documentaries have agendas. They always have. Filmmakers pick and choose what bits to include and exclude based on what message they wish to convey. They're analogous to editorials, not news reporting.

Common practice (in this instance adding in a bunch of crap and ignoring all sides of an argument) does NOT get to dictate what an actual documentary is. Where did I mention Michael Moore specifically? Where in fact did I mention that other documentaries don't pull the same stunts and shenanigans? The answer is I didn't. Strawman much?