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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html

Mexico reconquers California? Absolut drinks to that!
The latest advertising campaign in Mexico from Swedish vodka maker Absolut promises to push all the right buttons south of the U.S. border, but it could ruffle a few feathers in El Norte.
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The billboard and press campaign, created by advertising agency Teran\TBWA and now running in Mexico, is a colorful map depicting what the Americas might look like in an "Absolut" -- i.e., perfect -- world.

The U.S.-Mexico border lies where it was before the Mexican-American war of 1848 when California, as we now know it, was Mexican territory and known as Alta California.

Following the war, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo saw the Mexican territories of Alta California and Santa Fé de Nuevo México ceded to the United States to become modern-day California, Texas, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado and Arizona. (Texas actually split from Mexico several years earlier to form a breakaway republic, and was voluntarily annexed by the United States in 1846.)

The campaign taps into the national pride of Mexicans, according to Favio Ucedo, creative director of leading Latino advertising agency Grupo Gallegos in the U.S.

Ucedo, who is from Argentina, said: “Mexicans talk about how the Americans stole their land, so this is their way of reclaiming it. It’s very relevant and the Mexicans will love the idea.”

But he said that were the campaign to run in the United States, it might fall flat.

“Many people aren’t going to understand it here. Americans in the East and the North or in the center of the county -- I don’t know if they know much about the history.

“Probably Americans in Texas and California understand perfectly and I don’t know how they’d take it.”

Meanwhile, the campaign has been circulating on the blogs and generating strong responses from people north of the border.

“I find this ad deeply offensive, and needlessly divisive. I will now make a point of drinking other brands. And 'vodka and tonic' is my drink,” said one visitor, called New Yorker, on MexicoReporter.com.

Reader Paul Green goes into a discussion on the blog Gateway Pundit of whether the U.S. territories ever belonged to Mexico in the first place, and the News12 Long island site invited people to boycott Absolut, with one user, called LivingSmall, writing: “If you drink Absolut vodka, you can voice your approval or disapproval of this advertising campaign with your purchases. I know I will be switching to Grey Goose or Stoli and will never have another bottle of Absolut in my house.

“Hey Absolut ... that's my form of social commentary.”
The poll is set up this way because I'm interested in knowing how Americans view this because it is (or is not, depending on your view) offending America, but naturally also how the rest of the world views it aswell.

I think it's an offensive ad. I shudder to think what Poles would say if an Ad were ran in Germany and/or Russia and/or Austria that showed "in an Absolut world" when parts/all of Poland belonged to the former countries...

I also think that, unless the people in the Absolut ad department are total idiots, they'll know that this isn't just "historical" but will be taken into perspective with the immigration, cultural and ethnic demographic problems that the American South West in particular is now suffering from. It's impossible for them not to have considered this when constructing this ad.

Fuck Absolut. I'll take "in the present day world".

Just imagine the tacos! Mmmm....

I quite like it even if it forgets to mention that Britain owns all of these countries in an absolut world but I guess that goes without saying

what I find baffling is how Americans are boycotting a drink over this, I mean come on! I didn't know it was that easy to offend patriots

I quite like it even if it forgets to mention that Britain owns all of these countries in an absolut world but I guess that goes without saying

what I find baffling is how Americans are boycotting a drink over this, I mean come on! I didn't know it was that easy to offend patriots

You didn't know? Two words; Freedom Fries. :p

I'm not offended because the Mexican-American war was a complete joke. It was an unjustified and unneeded war which ended just how the U.S wanted it to end, with them taking half of the land.

That and I don't see what this has to do with vodka...

I imagine some Mexicans who know a bit about history will get a giggle from it. Which is probably the whole idea.

Re: Offended Americans: You aren't the first people to have a claim on that territory. Some people don't think you should have claim on it now. Who gives a shit?

not offensive.

EDIT: but your poll is do I like it? no, I don't, but I am not offended by it.

Click Stand;13585916']I'm not offended because the Mexican-American war was a complete joke. It was an unjustified and unneeded war which ended just how the U.S wanted it to end, with them taking half of the land.

That and I don't see what this has to do with vodka...
It is the way of the nation state throughout history to fight with it's neighbors for land. That's how things were done. It was not a complete joke. It was justified and it was needed. It's not like Mexicans had any more claim to it...they took it from their natives...I mean it all goes back to whoever has the power has the right to his land. If a nation wanted your land and they attacked you and took it, then it was their land. Is Australia's existance unjustied? How about New Zealands?

No. Mexico stole it from Spain who stole it from the Native Americans who stole it from the local wildlife, it doesn't belong to Mexico any more than it belongs to America.

Click Stand;13585916']That and I don't see what this has to do with vodka...
simple.

1) Get the people drunk.
2) provoke the Drunks to fight
3) lots of fights, lots of stress and trauma builds up
4) People don't want the stress and trauma so they buy alcohol to remove the stress and trauma.
5) People get drunk.

It was justified and it was needed.

How and why?

I imagine some Mexicans who know a bit about history will get a giggle from it. Which is probably the whole idea.

Re: Offended Americans: You aren't the first people to have a claim on that territory. Some people don't think you should have claim on it now. Who gives a shit?
You obviously don't live in the American South West. Many people there would find this offensive because it is an all too common feeling that through uncontrolled way too lax immigration policies, too many people are coming in from Latin-America and are turning the South West back into "Mexico" through a demographic change of these states and border regions.


Just because you, being Irish (if I recall correctly) don't give a shit about this...doesn't mean people who currently live in that area of the world where the situation is in their neighborhoods....don't.

How and why?
If I want a typing work out, I'll play Mavis Beacon. Read the rest of my post that you quoted from but "forgot" to quote the rest. It explains the how and why.

As an American, I think it's hilarious.

I think it's an offensive ad. I shudder to think what Poles would say if an Ad were ran in Germany and/or Russia and/or Austria that showed "in an Absolut world" when parts/all of Poland belonged to the former countries...

odds are nothing (though we are talking Poles here) Russia loves its old USSR fetish and to date I havn't heard of any polish moaning

add the fact that British empire references are everywhere where I live and yet the sizable Indian community has only rejoiced the cruel colonial domination :)

but will be taken into perspective with the immigration, cultural and ethnic demographic problems that the American South West in particular is now suffering from.

its a joke on an ad honey bun...

Fuck Absolut. I'll take "in the present day world".

oh so its living in a surreal world that you have a problem with now! *rolls up sleeves*

You didn't know? Two words; Freedom Fries. :p

but what about this "American pie" I keep hearing about?

Click Stand;13585916']That and I don't see what this has to do with vodka...

the Tequila plant is going extinct and so Mexico needs a new national pastime

It is the way of the nation state throughout history to fight with it's neighbors for land. That's how things were done. It was not a complete joke.

Why would Polk try to justify the war if he could have just invaded anyways? It's because it was not acceptable to invade for no other reason than territorial gains. And his reasoning for the war was a complete joke.

It was justified and it was needed.

I also fail to see why the war was needed in any way. beneficiary, yes, needed, no.

A war that only has the motive of territorial gains is not justified.

You obviously don't live in the American South West. Many people there would find this offensive because it is an all too common feeling that through uncontrolled way too lax immigration policies, too many people are coming in from Latin-America and are turning the South West back into "Mexico" through a demographic change of these states and border regions.
Ah, so people are offended because of their own ignorance of history and/or their fear of demographic change.


Just because you, being Irish (if I recall correctly) don't give a shit about this...doesn't mean people who currently live in that area of the world where the situation is in their neighborhoods....don't.
You do recall correctly.
If I want a typing work out, I'll play Mavis Beacon. Read the rest of my post that you quoted from but "forgot" to quote the rest. It explains the how and why.

So the war was justified because America wanted to expand, and it was needed because America wanted to expand. Sounds like a pretty shitty justification and need to me, but I guess that's the way things happened back then.

You obviously don't live in the American South West. Many people there would find this offensive because it is an all too common feeling that through uncontrolled way too lax immigration policies, too many people are coming in from Latin-America and are turning the South West back into "Mexico" through a demographic change of these states and border regions.


Just because you, being Irish (if I recall correctly) don't give a shit about this...doesn't mean people who currently live in that area of the world where the situation is in their neighborhoods....don't.

agreed. the ad could be a 'jab' at those specific areas.

but what about this "American pie" I keep hearing about?


You'll like it. It's silly. Though it was even better back when it was called Porky's

the Tequila plant is going extinct and so Mexico needs a new national pastime

Why have I not heard of this? There is some kind of international effort to avert the crisis of a world without tequila, right?

agreed. the ad could be a 'jab' at those specific areas.

Only if Absolut's marketing department is staffed by people with room temperature IQs. The ad, like all ads, is an attempt to get more people to buy the product. Absolut weren't trying to piss off Americans, they were trying to please Mexicans.

Why have I not heard of this? There is some kind of international effort to avert the crisis of a world without tequila, right?

TMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tequila_agave)

Production of this important cash crop in Mexico has been hindered in the early 2000s by a number of rot-related problems, collectively referred to as TMA (tristeza y muerte de agave, "wilting and death of agave"). As of 2002, 23% or more of the plants produced in Jalisco were affected.

Part of the problem is a group of diseases spread by the larvae of the weevil Scyphophorus acupunctatus Gyll. (Coleoptera:Curculinidae). Also, the fungus Thielaviopsis paradoxa prevents younger plants from forming roots.

According to a 2004 study, additional pathogens, Erwinia carotovora, Enterobacter agglomerans, Pseudomonas mendocina, and Serratia sp. are responsible for continued rot

thats right the lemon industry is doomed :p

Only if Absolut's marketing department is staffed by people with room temperature IQs.

Mexico can get pretty hot in the summer ;)

By working through it's covert front company "Absolut," Sweden is actually trying to respark the Mexican-American War. Canada is included in the subliminal invasion plan "advertisement," so Sweden intends the war to spread over the entire continent. Of course, while the United States and Canada are busy fighting each other, Sweden will have two less competitors over arctic sovereignty issues. This will give Sweden just enough edge to pull into the lead and claim the north pole for itself, thus ensuring world domination.

It's the old "hide fake invasion plans in the vodka advertisement that gets blogged by the LA Times in order to spark racial tensions and start a continental war and dominate the world with meatballs and inexpensive flat-pack furnature" trick. That's the SECOND most sinister plot I've ever seen!

**grabs musket, hops on horse, and rides for Boston screaming "the Swedish are coming!!!!" the whole way**

I'm American, and I don't find the ad at all offensive. It's just a joke, for pete's sake; I somehow doubt Mexico is going to attempt to conquer half the US anytime soon. :p

As a Canadian, I'm grossly offended that Absolut did not award us Michigan, Indiana and Ohio, which could have been ours had we prevailed in the Battle of Lake Erie, 1813. This map clearly does not depict an "Absolut" world.[/sarcasm]

Only if Absolut's marketing department is staffed by people with room temperature IQs. The ad, like all ads, is an attempt to get more people to buy the product. Absolut weren't trying to piss off Americans, they were trying to please Mexicans.

just because they were NOT trying to piss off Americans doesn't mean it can't be a jab at Americans.

the mere fact that they were redrawing borders means someone would "get pissed off" whether that was their intent or not. and I never said it was their intent. a jab doesn't mean to insult.

basically, I veiw the add as one that was misunderstood.

I'm one of the not-so-many non-American to say no.

Seriously, I don't know if the USA "deserves" that territory, but I do know it's too late to turn back now. Just think of all the economical instability. Not only that but it's up to the people to decide wether they stay or separate from the U.S., and I doubt it very much they would want to leave.

Absolut world = shitty world.

It's clearly offensive. That just makes it all the more hilarious.

I don't like it because I think it needlessly fuels the nuts already deeply involved in this debate -- I don't mean on NSG (I like you nuts) I mean more generally in the US and Mexico. I can see how it looks like a silly joke to people who've never heard of the issue before, but I've run into enough folks who talk about "strategies for taking back Aztlan" in total seriousness for me to just think it's a joke. (One of them was one of my college professors. Really cool lady, very serious about restoring Greater Mexico.) Conversely, I know quite a few otherwise reasonable-seeming white people who get really bitter and paranoid-sounding all of a sudden when the subject of immigration comes up, and start ranting about NAU and the destruction of the US and how "we're being taken over." Stupid ads like this don't help.

I fully realize that the US justifications for the Mexican-American War have all the solidity of kleenex, but I'm also quite happy with the borders where they are, and I don't think one needs to be a frothy-mouthed patriot to feel that way. This is a lousy counter-example, but if Absolut ran a map showing Washington state with the 54'40" boundary, I'd bet we'd be hearing from some ticked -off Canadians.

To any talking about the justifications of the Mexican American War, your point is moot; whether it was justified or not, we took it, end of story. There now belong us; also let them play the add, I don't like it but we do have a thing called freedom of speech here in states (however dwindling).

TMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tequila_agave)



thats right the lemon industry is doomed :p
Noes, they be stealin mah agave!



Mexico can get pretty hot in the summer ;)
Yeah, but offices have A/C
I'm American, and I don't find the ad at all offensive. It's just a joke, for pete's sake; I somehow doubt Mexico is going to attempt to conquer half the US anytime soon. :p
Maybe that's what they want you to think!
just because they were NOT trying to piss off Americans doesn't mean it can't be a jab at Americans.

the mere fact that they were redrawing borders means someone would "get pissed off" whether that was their intent or not. and I never said it was their intent. a jab doesn't mean to insult.

basically, I view the add as one that was misunderstood.

OIC. *gets what you meant now*

I'm one of the not-so-many non-American to say no.

Seriously, I don't know if the USA "deserves" that territory, but I do know it's too late to turn back now. Just think of all the economical instability. Not only that but it's up to the people to decide wether they stay or separate from the U.S., and I doubt it very much they would want to leave.

Absolut world = shitty world.

The people in the southwest DO want to leave. The mexican-"americans" there are not loyal to "their" country.

The people in the southwest DO want to leave. The mexican-"americans" there are not loyal to "their" country.

They're not loyal to the US, but they sure as hell don't want to return the land to Mexico either. The Chicanos would rather enjoy the subsidies of Washington DC than to be dragged down to the 3rd-world level of Mexico City.

As for the vodka ad, I love it, and I'm American.

The people in the southwest DO want to leave. The mexican-"americans" there are not loyal to "their" country.

It's still not a good reason to stirr up shit just for publicity. But I must admit it does work.

Meh. I don't care for it, but it isn't offensive.

Well I was offended at first but then I decided that the ad really is saying in an Absolut world (meaning drunken stupor) this is what the map would look like.

So ok I'm not offended anymore. :p

Too bad Absolut isn't Russian...they could've had Russia occupying the entire Pacific Coast from Alaska southward. It would've made one hell of an alt-history map, with Russia, Mexico, and the US duking it out over the West.

This offends me because I have a deep-rooted insecurity with regards to Mexicans and immigrants, and also because I have an opposition to the free market and want to impose various restrictions in order to protect people who look like I do from having to compete too much or to gain better skills than those of migrant laborers.

Too bad Absolut isn't Russian...they could've had Russia occupying the entire Pacific Coast from Alaska southward. It would've made one hell of an alt-history map, with Russia, Mexico, and the US duking it out over the West.

Don't forget the CSA, or Quebec, or Vermont. There's room on that map for independent Vermont and Quebec too, and Gran Colombia down south. And remember to bring your steam-powered mecha and zeppelins.

Regarding the ad; I am not American, and I think it is hilarious (also; in an Absolut world, Venezuela gets crushed by a giant vodka bottle). Presumably Absolut will follow this up by producing an American version with vastly expanded borders as well. :)

On one hand, I say let'em have it. We don't need those states.
On the other hand, that's just unacceptable and proof of Mexico's intentions with illegal immigrants.

Mexicans, legal or otherwise, are more or less invading the south of America. The Yankees need to open their eyes and start doing something about it, until I don't have a country anymore.

Mexicans, legal or otherwise, are more or less invading the south of America.

Thank you for illustrating what this issue really is about for your kind. It's not about "illegal" immigration, it's not about tax burden, it's about how you don't like Mexicans and you think they're taking over.

Not really much more to say is there?

The Yankees need to open their eyes and start doing something about it, until I don't have a country anymore.

Oh, fear too. Fear and hostility towards Mexicans. Your insecurities, amusing as they may be, do not constitute some sort of valid argument though.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html


The poll is set up this way because I'm interested in knowing how Americans view this because it is (or is not, depending on your view) offending America, but naturally also how the rest of the world views it aswell.

I think it's an offensive ad. I shudder to think what Poles would say if an Ad were ran in Germany and/or Russia and/or Austria that showed "in an Absolut world" when parts/all of Poland belonged to the former countries...

I also think that, unless the people in the Absolut ad department are total idiots, they'll know that this isn't just "historical" but will be taken into perspective with the immigration, cultural and ethnic demographic problems that the American South West in particular is now suffering from. It's impossible for them not to have considered this when constructing this ad.

Fuck Absolut. I'll take "in the present day world".Well, of course Americans aren't going to like it. They are the ones losing the land in this one. What if the ad was America conquering everything under 54'40. Manifest Destiny et al. Probably be popular with Americans, but would certainly piss Canada the fuck off.

tl;dr Seriously TAI?

Private property owners, not the State, should decide who is allowed in and who is not.

Why have I not heard of this? There is some kind of international effort to avert the crisis of a world without tequila, right?

Yes, it's an international effort to get Mexicans to drink Swedish vodka.

Meh, I prefer Russian or Polish vodka anyway (Stoli and Chopin). What do Swedes know about vodka? About as much as they know about advertising liquor. :p

Yes, it's an international effort to get Mexicans to drink Swedish vodka.

Perhaps the Swedes are behind the Mexican invasion. It's all a conspiracy to take our jobs, our women - AND OUR PUPPIES! (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50744)

As an American, I think it's hilarious.

It is. It really is.

The campaign doesn't bother me really. I'm not exactly an alcohol drinker to begin with, and even if I was I wouldn't boycott Absolut over this. I would object to it from a historical standpoint--I'm not seeing how Mexico could've been able to hold onto that territory without either a more unified populace, better resources, or both--but it doesn't bug me.

I think it's funny and creative. Besides, unless you're Russian, vodka is a sissy drink. You should be drinking gin. (Yes I am annoyed that martinis are assumed to be made with vodka these days. Thank you for asking)

On one hand, I say let'em have it. We don't need those states.
On the other hand, that's just unacceptable and proof of Mexico's intentions with illegal immigrants.

I mostly agree, except for oil. Those states have lots and lots of oil that the lib's will actually let us drill for.

Mexico can have Texas back, but no way in hell are they getting California and a chunk of Colorado.

Mexico may have laid claim to that land however Mexico did not have control of it. They can pull all the outdated maps out they want for advertisement. Doesn't change today's borders at all. I think personally it is a ill conceived advertisement campaign.

Mexico may have laid claim to that land however Mexico did not have control of it. They can pull all the outdated maps out they want for advertisement. Doesn't change today's borders at all.

Erm. The purpose of the 'outdated maps' is to SELL VODKA. It's not a plot by the Mexican government to change the borders. We were actually being sarcastic, a few posts back, when we alluded that it was.

I think personally it is a ill conceived advertisement campaign.

I think it's brilliant. I would never have seen it unless it was "shitty" enough for TAI here to whine about it. The "controversy" aspect increases sales.

I think personally it is a ill conceived advertisement campaign.

I am thinking that they should launch an American Absolut campaign and that map should show Mexico as America instead. :D

I thought this was a photoshop at first when I saw it the other day. It made me laugh a lot. :p

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html


The poll is set up this way because I'm interested in knowing how Americans view this because it is (or is not, depending on your view) offending America, but naturally also how the rest of the world views it aswell. Meh. I think it's hilarious. Grow some skin.
I think it's an offensive ad. I shudder to think what Poles would say if an Ad were ran in Germany and/or Russia and/or Austria that showed "in an Absolut world" when parts/all of Poland belonged to the former countries...Really? Poland started a war of aggression to gain those territories? False analogy. Now an ad featuring the United Kingdom of Greater Denmark... that would be both a better comparison and hilarious. =D
I also think that, unless the people in the Absolut ad department are total idiots, they'll know that this isn't just "historical" but will be taken into perspective with the immigration, cultural and ethnic demographic problems that the American South West in particular is now suffering from. It's impossible for them not to have considered this when constructing this ad

Fuck Absolut. I'll take "in the present day world".
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/Drama20Queen.jpg

The people in the southwest DO want to leave. The mexican-"americans" there are not loyal to "their" country.Sound's like the American-Mexicans that populated Texas shortly before rebelling against the legitimate rulers thereof...

As an ad, I hate it. It fails.

As a parody, I would like it.

I don't like it, but I'm not American and it's nothing to do with offence. It's just that it's advertising. Some otherwise-talentless marketing monkey thought it up and probably got paid bags of cash for it.

Really? Poland started a war of aggression to gain those territories? False analogy. Now an ad featuring the United Kingdom of Greater Denmark... that would be both a better comparison and hilarious. =D

Hmm... That would be quite the powerful country. Greenland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Northern Poland, England, etc...

Yes, it would be hilarious ^^

I think it's more offensive that Absolute wants to steal our night-time darkness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWpyyh9hF8I&NR=1) and are inciting riots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e9Qiy0qg6c).

I don't find the add in the OP offensive though. A bit silly, but not offensive by a longshot.

I find the advertisement to be an advertisement. I have no opinion on it either way.

But if I drank, I'd be buying Absolut vodka just to spite TAI, because I'm a dick like that.

Everything's okay... with enough vodka.

I think it's funny and creative. Besides, unless you're Russian, vodka is a sissy drink. You should be drinking gin. (Yes I am annoyed that martinis are assumed to be made with vodka these days. Thank you for asking)

Seconded. Vodka is liquor for people who don't actually like to drink but think (wrongly) that getting drunk is cool. DRINK GIN, DAMMIT!! It has a flavor!

EDIT PS: Yeah, I know I said I preferred Russian and Polish vodka, but that was in the context of comparative vodkas. What I like to drink are cocktails made with gin or tequila... and if the agave goes extinct, then I guess that makes more room for the Bombay Sapphire in my bar cabinet.

Gin tastes horrible though. Whiskey is the only good strong liquor out there.

Seconded. Vodka is liquor for people who don't actually like to drink but think (wrongly) that getting drunk is cool.

Ridiculous. Vodka is for people who can stomach the taste of antifreeze. It puts hair on your chest.

DRINK GIN, DAMMIT!! It has a flavor!

Gin has a flavor, but since that flavor is more like goat piss I think vodka is justifiably more popular.

It is the way of the nation state throughout history to fight with it's neighbors for land. That's how things were done. It was not a complete joke. It was justified and it was needed. It's not like Mexicans had any more claim to it...they took it from their natives...I mean it all goes back to whoever has the power has the right to his land. If a nation wanted your land and they attacked you and took it, then it was their land. Is Australia's existance unjustied? How about New Zealands?


So the problem is that you're offended when somebody imagines what would have happened if their nation state had won instead of yours, because they aren't allowed think that kind of thing but you're free to justify having won all you want.

What makes this funny is knowing the reaction in certain quarters to it. Thankfully TAI has shown that they hit the nail on the head.

Seconded. Vodka is liquor for people who don’t actually like to drink but think (wrongly) that getting drunk is cool.
Not if you get yourself a nice bottle of quality vodka.

As to the OP, I can only applaud Absolut if it riles people like TAi; it’s an advert for vodka, for fucks sake! And it's working beautifully.

Look how angry he, and others of similar ilk, are.

Not if you get yourself a nice bottle of quality vodka.

As to the OP, I can only applaud Absolut if it riles people like TAi; it’s an advert for vodka, for fucks sake! And it's working beautifully.

Look how angry he, and others of similar ilk, are.

And I can guarantee if it was some map showing a far larger Canada, there wouldn't be half the hopping up and down there is.

And I can guarantee if it was some map showing a far larger Canada, there wouldn’t be half the hopping up and down there is.
http://www.print.duncans.tv/images/absolut-pregnant-man.jpg

Ahhhhh! Absolut is trying to forcibly get men pregnant! They obviously support a terrible program of biological change from our female overladies, and are accurately gauging a demographic of young women. We must boycott their tasty, tasty vodka!

http://www.print.duncans.tv/images/absolut-politician.jpg

Ahhhhh! Absolut is trying to forcibly grow the noses of politicians! They obviously support a terrible program of biological change from our politico overlords, and are accurately gauging a demographic of apathetic voters. We must boycott their tasty, tasty vodka!

Overreaction, much?

It puts horrible spots on your chest.

fixed

Gin has a flavor, but since that flavor is more like goat piss I think vodka is justifiably more popular.

its an acquired taste but if you want to drink alcopops all night be my guest (come to think of it I do have a rather sweet tooth with alcohol:p)

Look how angry he, and others of similar ilk, are.

well now we know TAI's weakness (the subject of America and brown people)

Ridiculous. Vodka is for people who can stomach the taste of antifreeze. It puts hair on your chest.



Gin has a flavor, but since that flavor is more like goat piss I think vodka is justifiably more popular.

As if you knew anything about antifreeze...

It actually tastes really sweet, but they put a bunch of shitty tasting stuff in there so that people won't accidently eat a bunch of it and kill themselves. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work against alcohol.

[url]I think it's an offensive ad. I shudder to think what Poles would say if an Ad were ran in Germany and/or Russia and/or Austria that showed "in an Absolut world" when parts/all of Poland belonged to the former countries...


...more than offensive, I'd say simply idiotic. And chauvinistic also.

Hey, in an absolut world, England would be called BRITANNIA and Paris would still be LVTETIA.

:rolleyes:

In an absolut world, there would be no Sweden... and no swedish vodka.

i think i would be offended if i were mexican.

what are they trying to say? in a perfect world mexico wouldnt suck?

what are they trying to say?
“Buy vodka.”

well now we know TAI's weakness (the subject of America and brown people)

Only now?

In any case, a Franco-Swedish company that has managed to stir up some sand in whambulance-chasing vaginas by implying that those damned brownie wetbacks are people that one can market things toward - marvelous! Makes one pseudo-proud, in a strange way.

Heja Vin&Sprit! Stödköp på systemet under veckan! Or I should say, allez Pernod Ricard! Je lève un pastis à votre santé, bien que je ne supporte pas l'anis.

WILL YOU ALL PLEASE CALM DOWN AND REALISE YOU HAVE MISINTERPRETED THE PICTURE?

It's simply saying that in an "absolut" world, Mexico would be a fish impersonating Elvis (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2251/2383371667_df5fc24e2d.jpg)

'All of your West Coast are belong to Mexico'

“Buy vodka.”

ya but they could do that with an ad that says "buy vodka"

i look at that map and i think "get really drunk (on vodka) and youll forget that mexico sucks"

You didn't know? Two words; Freedom Fries.
Relevant question - did you guys also get Freedom Toast? :p

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html


The poll is set up this way because I'm interested in knowing how Americans view this because it is (or is not, depending on your view) offending America, but naturally also how the rest of the world views it aswell.

I think it's an offensive ad. I shudder to think what Poles would say if an Ad were ran in Germany and/or Russia and/or Austria that showed "in an Absolut world" when parts/all of Poland belonged to the former countries...

I also think that, unless the people in the Absolut ad department are total idiots, they'll know that this isn't just "historical" but will be taken into perspective with the immigration, cultural and ethnic demographic problems that the American South West in particular is now suffering from. It's impossible for them not to have considered this when constructing this ad.

Fuck Absolut. I'll take "in the present day world".

It's not offensive. It's just stupid.

Relevant question - did you guys also get Freedom Toast? :p

*sigh*

Yeah. Yeah, we did.

I thought all that "freedom fries" and "freedom toast" was just a joke. I never actually heard anyone seriously call them that at like....McDonalds buying fries or like a cafe getting breakfast.....

But I heard there were the same things going around about Sauerkraut and other German stuff like that during the wars with Germany.... don't know how true that is though or the extent of that....

I thought all that "freedom fries" and "freedom toast" was just a joke. I never actually heard anyone seriously call them that at like....McDonalds buying fries or like a cafe getting breakfast.....

I never knew anyone would get nationalistic and uptight and whiny over an Absolut ad until I read the OP.

There's a first for every silly instance of overreaction!

Well, of course Americans aren't going to like it. They are the ones losing the land in this one. What if the ad was America conquering everything under 54'40. Manifest Destiny et al. Probably be popular with Americans, but would certainly piss Canada the fuck off.

tl;dr Seriously TAI?

I'm American, but I wouldn't like a map of us owning everything. Seems kind of boring to just have one country. I went to Canada last week for a trip and I had a lot of fun. It wasn't terribly exotic or anything, but it was different enough.

They take better care of their money, I think.

I thought all that "freedom fries" and "freedom toast" was just a joke. I never actually heard anyone seriously call them that at like....McDonalds buying fries or like a cafe getting breakfast.....

But I heard there were the same things going around about Sauerkraut and other German stuff like that during the wars with Germany.... don't know how true that is though or the extent of that....

It's true. During World War I at least. I know Hot Dogs became Liberty Dogs, so it's not as if we Americans have much of an imagination.

I am thinking that they should launch an American Absolut campaign and that map should show Mexico as America instead. :D

It couldn't work, for the simple reason that we don't want Mexico. :P

Anyway, it's a good ad campaign in the sense that it will likely help sell their product. As a political "statement" or whatever, I find it more silly than provocative or offensive, and I'd bet that Absolut intended it as such.

Using nationalism to sell alcohol is old news.

My name is Joe, and I am Canadian! (http://www.coolcanuckaward.ca/joe_canadian.htm)

Using nationalism to sell alcohol is old news.

My name is Joe, and I am Canadian! (http://www.coolcanuckaward.ca/joe_canadian.htm)

I am not Canadian, mautadit, tabarnak, ostie! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=TncdhLGjFTE)

It couldn't work, for the simple reason that we don't want Mexico. :P

Absolutely not. If Mexico were part of the United States, corporate interests would have to make sure the border with Guatemala and Belize is porous enough for people to sneak in and perform menial labor for low pay, no benefits and substandard occupational safety. Considering how much smaller that border is, it'll be a lot harder for politicians to appear to want to do something about it without actually succeeding. :p

Yes, the best way to regain land is drinking yourself into a stupor.

I honestly don't see how the ad really relates in any way to promoting the drink.

Yes, the best way to regain land is drinking yourself into a stupor.

I honestly don't see how the ad really relates in any way to promoting the drink.

The link between advertising and the actual product died decades ago. What does this ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1NnyE6DDnQ) have to do with promoting Coca Cola?

WILL YOU ALL PLEASE CALM DOWN AND REALISE YOU HAVE MISINTERPRETED THE PICTURE?

It's simply saying that in an "absolut" world, Mexico would be a fish impersonating Elvis (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2251/2383371667_df5fc24e2d.jpg)

Sorry, not seeing it (I blame my lack, not yours)
Could you "enhance" the image to make it clearer? TY in advance!

The link between advertising and the actual product died decades ago. What does this ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1NnyE6DDnQ) have to do with promoting Coca Cola?

In fact, if they go thru so much hoopla when they sell a Coke, they must not be selling many, huh?

I am VERY offended by that article! I mean, really now, California, Texas, New Mexico, Utah, and Arizona?! WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO NEVADA?!! :mad:

Damn Californians... always trying to ignore their neighbor.
(Yes, tongue is firmly in cheek here, though I do find it funny that they forgot Nevada was also part of that territory)

Nothing says "LULZ" in capital letters like ultranationalists whining about how their country is threatened by a liquor ad targeted at its next door neighbor.

I am VERY offended by that article! I mean, really now, California, Texas, New Mexico, Utah, and Arizona?! WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO NEVADA?!! :mad:

Damn Californians... always trying to ignore their neighbor.
(Yes, tongue is firmly in cheek here, though I do find it funny that they forgot Nevada was also part of that territory)

not even the mexicans want that godforsaken wasteland.

Sorry, not seeing it (I blame my lack, not yours)
Could you "enhance" the image to make it clearer? TY in advance!

Tilt your head 90° to the left and if you still don't see it then blame me for being stupid, not you.

not even the mexicans want that godforsaken wasteland.
Willing to bet you I can show that Nevada isn't a wasteland. :D

Tilt your head 90° to the left and if you still don't see it then blame me for being stupid, not you.

I see the fish, but....Elvis?

not even the mexicans want that godforsaken wasteland.

Let's keep our provincial regionalisms under our ugly little hats, shall we?

Absolutely not. If Mexico were part of the United States, corporate interests would have to make sure the border with Guatemala and Belize is porous enough for people to sneak in and perform menial labor for low pay, no benefits and substandard occupational safety. Considering how much smaller that border is, it'll be a lot harder for politicians to appear to want to do something about it without actually succeeding. :p

As funny as this is, it's also completely true. Politicians -- at least, the "tough on immigration" ones -- don't want a solution to illegal immigration. That'd be killing they golden goose.

I voted No I dont like it, but only because me being indifferent wasnt an option.


Its a booze ad. Who takes those seriously?


As an aside:
I shudder to think what Poles would say if an Ad were ran in Germany and/or Russia and/or Austria that showed "in an Absolut world" when parts/all of Poland belonged to the former countries....


I would find that add hillarious.

where's the "I don't care" option

I think it's a bad ad because not that many people are going to understand it.

I thought all that "freedom fries" and "freedom toast" was just a joke. I never actually heard anyone seriously call them that at like....McDonalds buying fries or like a cafe getting breakfast.....

But I heard there were the same things going around about Sauerkraut and other German stuff like that during the wars with Germany.... don't know how true that is though or the extent of that....You mean you've not done your research? Quelle surprise...

I would find that add hillarious.

Or hitlarious?

Anything that shrinks America gets my support. Pity I'm more of a gin person...

Voted "No - American" by mistake.
I'm not an American, and I quite like the commercial because of its originality. And it seems it's rather effective as we're even having this discussion right now.
Why anyone would be offended by it is beyond me, but obviously people like TAI exists in real life too.

Or hitlarious?No... That's just wrong.

The people in the southwest DO want to leave. The mexican-"americans" there are not loyal to "their" country.

I don't believe you.

The Chicanos would rather enjoy the subsidies of Washington DC than to be dragged down to the 3rd-world level of Mexico City.

I would say that I like the subtle racism of portraying all Mexican Americans as welfare bums, but I would be lying. It's actualy kind of annoying and unoriginal.

I imagine some Mexicans who know a bit about history will get a giggle from it. Which is probably the whole idea.

Re: Offended Americans: You aren't the first people to have a claim on that territory. Some people don't think you should have claim on it now. Who gives a shit?

Well, all those Americans that live there now, for starters...
Although I'm not choking on my own bile, I think it's a mildly offensive ad. Most of the land was taken by the American government unjustly, probably the most imperialistic war the U.S. has ever fought. But it's American now, and I don't think Mexico is too upset about that anymore. I don't think Israel would appreciate an ad that erased their country from the map, nor would Icelanders like one showing their island part of Denmark.

Well, all those Americans that live there now, for starters...
Although I'm not choking on my own bile, I think it's a mildly offensive ad. Most of the land was taken by the American government unjustly, probably the most imperialistic war the U.S. has ever fought. But it's American now, and I don't think Mexico is too upset about that anymore. I don't think Israel would appreciate an ad that erased their country from the map, nor would Icelanders like one showing their island part of Denmark.Asked any Mexicans about that?

Asked any Mexicans about that?

I meant the Mexican government. We have friendly relations, and Mexico has not asked for their land back recently.

I meant the Mexican government. We have friendly relations, and Mexico has not asked for their land back recently.It would be a silly thing to ask, considering how important the former Mexican territories are to the US economy. Doesn't mean they don't want it back or that they don't care that the US took them.

It would be a silly thing to ask, considering how important the former Mexican territories are to the US economy. Doesn't mean they don't want it back or that they don't care that the US took them.

Why would they? I'm sure as a matter of national pride it's painful, just as it's painful for many Americans to remember their side's loss in the Civil War. But more than a hundred years later, very few Americans want a separate country in the South.
Besides, there are already millions of Americans living in the former Mexican territories. California and Texas are two of the most populated states.
Like I said, I'm not choking on my own bile, partially because plenty of people joke so often about giving Texas or California back to the Mexicans. But there is a difference between joking about giving Texas back and joking about invading Texas.

I don't believe you.



Yeah Mexican-"Americans":rolleyes: sure have proven their loyalty to our country. Why with all those Mexican flags, broken laws and anti-Gringo riots down there, you'd think it was a genuine American love fest.

Anything that shrinks America gets my support. Pity I'm more of a gin person...

This is from a dude in the 51'st state.

Yeah Mexican-"Americans":rolleyes: sure have proven their loyalty to our country. Why with all those Mexican flags, broken laws and anti-Gringo riots down there, you'd think it was a genuine American love fest.


Yep, and all the Irish, Italians, English, French, etc people who put their country of origins flag up too are terrorists who hate America. We should be not torture waterboarding them.


Oh, Im sorry, you meant only brown people arent allowed to show some pride in their culture of origin.

Yeah Mexican-"Americans":rolleyes: sure have proven their loyalty to our country. Why with all those Mexican flags, broken laws and anti-Gringo riots down there, you'd think it was a genuine American love fest.

Hmmmm. Cheese with that?

Yep, and all the Irish, Italians, English, French, etc people who put their country of origins flag up too are terrorists who hate America. We should be not torture waterboarding them.


Oh, Im sorry, you meant only brown people arent allowed to show some pride in their culture of origin.

A country is not a culture kiddy, get your facts straight.

A country is not a culture kiddy, get your facts straight.

And this has what do with you getting all hot and bothered that Mexicans hang their flag up but look the other way when the Irish or Italians do it?

Nice deflecting of the point though. But you still got pwnt like stolen merchindise.

Hmmmm. Cheese with that?

No, I don't care for cheese, but could I get a milkshake?

And this has what do with you getting all hot and bothered that Mexicans hang their flag up but look the other way when the Irish or Italians do it?

Nice deflecting of the point though. But you still got pwnt like stolen merchindise.

Irish and Italians do it because it's their stinking country! They're Irish and Italians!


Edit: Yeah I id tottallyyy rong becus I is pwnt!

Irish and Italians do it because it's their stinking country! They're Irish and Italians!

So, why the fuck do you care when Mexicans do it?

You say OMG MEXICANS HANG UP MEXICAN FLAGS IN AMERICA!!! Well guess what kid, so do the Irish! Come to Chicago, you'll see more Irish flags than American ones! Same with Italians. And when I point this out you say "Well of course the Irish and Italians do!"


Do you know how foolish you are, or is this just an act?

So, why the fuck do you care when Mexicans do it?

You say OMG MEXICANS HANG UP MEXICAN FLAGS IN AMERICA!!! Well guess what kid, so do the Irish! Come to Chicago, you'll see more Irish flags than American ones! Same with Italians. And when I point this out you say "Well of course the Irish and Italians do!"


Do you know how foolish you are, or is this just an act?

If they want to go have a flag-wanking fest, they should go back to their own country. If they actually are loyal or even care in the slightest about "their" country, then they won't go on Mexican flag waving riots all the time.

Yeah Mexican-"Americans":rolleyes: sure have proven their loyalty to our country. Why with all those Mexican flags, broken laws and anti-Gringo riots down there, you'd think it was a genuine American love fest.

You are making a generalisation about all Mexican Americans based on your bad opinion of a few. That is sloppy thinking, and many people would even it call it racist.

To me, comments like yours say more about you as a person than they do about Mexican Americans.

So, why the fuck do you care when Mexicans do it?

You say OMG MEXICANS HANG UP MEXICAN FLAGS IN AMERICA!!! Well guess what kid, so do the Irish! Come to Chicago, you'll see more Irish flags than American ones! Same with Italians. And when I point this out you say "Well of course the Irish and Italians do!"


Do you know how foolish you are, or is this just an act?

I can't help it if Mexcan or Italian or Irish "Americans" jack-off over their real countries flag while in America, but I don't have to love it like to do. I also think you missed my original point entirely, which is that they are not loyal and couldn't care about America in the slightest.

If they want to go have a flag-wanking fest, they should go back to their own country. If they actually are loyal or even care in the slightest about "their" country, then they won't go on Mexican flag waving riots all the time.

So, again, you bitch about Mexicans and ignore the fact that nearly every ethnic group in America hangs a flag of their country of origin up. Or do you just think that everyone should forget about their national and cultural heritiage and bask in the greatness of the U S of A and become as blindly nationalistic as you?


And what "Mexican flag waving riots"? Wtf are you talking about? You mean their peaceful marches and demonstrations that occur where they hold flags of their country of origin (often times other Latin American countries too, do you just hate Mexicans or something)? Last I checked, peaceful marches in support of a political and social ideal (immigration) were not illegal, in fact the were a garunteed right, and I was under the impression that exercising a lawfully garunteed right didnt mean you hated America.


Riots involve criminal acts and breaking and burning shit. Most of these so called "riot" you speak of involving them carrying a Mexican flag are peaceful marches. Do you just assume that when brown people are in large groups its automatically a riot?

I can't help it if Mexcan or Italian or Irish "Americans" jack-off over their real countries flag while in America, but I don't have to love it like to do. I also think you missed my original point entirely, which is that they are not loyal and couldn't care about America in the slightest.

Which you have yet to prove. You just keep saying they hate America, and your evidence shows no such thing, as I have demonstrated.

If they want to go have a flag-wanking fest, they should go back to their own country. If they actually are loyal or even care in the slightest about "their" country, then they won't go on Mexican flag waving riots all the time.

You are now making the faulty assumption that those who are waving flags were not born in the USA. Do you have any evidence for that?

Or any evidence that they are more disloyal than most USians?

Or that they tend to riot more often?

Because without such evidence, you end up looking like some racist asshat.

And you don't want to look like a racist asshat, do you?

Not being an American, I'm at a loss as to who - out of Irish, Italians and Mexicans - would hit him first for coming out with that crap.

You are now making the faulty assumption that those who are waving flags were not born in the USA. Do you have any evidence for that?



They mostly are born in the U.S which makes it all the more saddening.

They mostly are born in the U.S which makes it all the more saddening.

You havent addressed the core issue however. Why does what they do mean they hate America?


Just come out and say it. You think all those damn spics TOOK ER JERBS and aughta go back where they comes from.

You havent addressed the core issue however. Why does what they do mean they hate America?


Just come out and say it. You think all those damn spics TOOK ER JERBS and aughta go back where they comes from.

I don't even know why people take him seriously anymore. Look at the list of his Great Discoveries so far:

1) Atheists are really Closet Muslims.
2) The whole Korean Peninsula is secretly controlled by Kim Jong-Il.

and now

3) All Latinos waving the Mexican Flag are traitorous rioters.

Anyone who's so fucking insecure about their great nation being threatened or offended by a liquor ad aimed at another country needs to grow thicker skin themselves. I bet you most if not all the people bitching about the Absolut ad are going to be the exact same ones bitching that Muslims have no fucking right to be offended by sacriligeous cartoons and stereotypings.

Freedom of Speech my ass.

I don't even know why people take him seriously anymore. Look at the list of his Great Discoveries so far:

1) Atheists are really Closet Muslims.
2) The whole Korean Peninsula is secretly controlled by Kim Jong-Il.

and now

3) All Latinos waving the Mexican Flag are traitorous rioters.

Anyone who's so fucking insecure about their great nation being threatened or offended by a liquor ad aimed at another country needs to grow thicker skin themselves. I bet you most if not all the people bitching about the Absolut ad are going to be the exact same ones bitching that Muslims have no fucking right to be offended by sacriligeous cartoons and stereotypings.

Freedom of Speech my ass.


Dont you see? America is constantly under seige from godless athiest muslim pagen mexican commie nazies! We must be ever vigilent!

And drink more Absolut!

And drink more Absolut!

Absolutely!!

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I don't even know why people take him seriously anymore. Look at the list of his Great Discoveries so far:

<SNIP>

3) All Latinos waving the Mexican Flag are traitorous rioters.


I'm waiting for him to discover that they're also Mutant Commies. Now that I think about it, he'd fit right in at Alpha Complex wouldn't he?

I'm waiting for him to discover that they're also Mutant Commies. Now that I think about it, he'd fit right in at Alpha Complex wouldn't he?

Nah, he'd think Commie Mutant Traitors were small potatoes next to Muslim Mexican Traitors.

And drink more Absolut!

It's called 'Freedom Booze' now. *nod*

Nah, he'd think Commie Mutant Traitors were small potatoes next to Muslim Mexican Traitors.

Not if Friend Bush . . . I mean Friend Computer told him otherwise.

It's called 'Freedom Booze' now. *nod*

I thought it was "Democracy Drinks"...

I thought it was "Democracy Drinks"...

'Liberty Liquor'?

'Liberty Liquor'?

Constitutional cocktails.

...that would be "Patriot Pints" to our British friends

Or given the outrage, how about Traitor Tequila?

It's funny.

Partly because then California, Arizona, Texas, Nevada, etc. would be a shithole, just like most of Mexico is today. And instead of the illegal immigration problem being at the current border, it would be Louisiana, Oklahoma, Oregon etc. that would be the places where all the border jumpers went. It's quite amusing, actually.

Nah, he'd think Commie Mutant Traitors were small potatoes next to Muslim Mexican Traitors.

Thats not a bad idea. I'll use that.

Thats not a bad idea. I'll use that.

You really absorb KKK'ish ideas like a sponge don't you?

You really absorb KKK'ish ideas like a sponge don't you?

I wouldn't know, I don't read their literature.

I wouldn't know, I don't read their literature.

Eh, you don't have to. They'll hop on any idea that paint anyone of Mexican descent as some kind of illegal immigrant, criminal, traitor, you name it. Of course it isn't limited to just those of Mexican descent. They're the modern day version of the Aryan brotherhood.

Your behavior follows their trends somewhat.

Eh, you don't have to. They'll hop on any idea that paint anyone of Mexican descent as some kind of illegal immigrant, criminal, traitor, you name it. Of course it isn't limited to just those of Mexican descent. They're the modern day version of the Aryan brotherhood.

Your behavior follows their trends somewhat.

Really? I don't hate blacks and I have some Mexican and (racially) veitnamese friends. I suppose that's neither here nor there though.


Edit: To continue my other point, my Mexican friends are really really nice people, but they are not really that loyal to America. If push came to shove they'd side with Mexico on (almost) any issue

Nah, he'd think Commie Mutant Traitors were small potatoes next to Muslim Mexican Traitors.

By the way, Mexicans are mainly CATHOLICS, I can't think of any prominent muslim American off-hand.

Really? I don't hate blacks and I have some Mexican and (racially) veitnamese friends. I suppose that's neither here nor there though.

The idea of racism isn't negated just because you have friends of that sort. The defense fails because racism isn't about the individual, but rather, as a racial whole. If you place people as a racial whole as a hated/despised/etc group, using little logical validation for it, that's simply racism.

If I remember correctly, even the Aryan brotherhood, or a similar organization like them, had a Jewish high level member. Didn't mean he wasn't as racist against his own ethnic group as the rest of them were.

The idea of racism isn't negated just because you have friends of that sort. The defense fails because racism isn't about the individual, but rather, as a racial whole. If you place people as a racial whole as a hated/despised/etc group, using little logical validation for it, that's simply racism.

If I remember correctly, even the Aryan brotherhood, or a similar organization like them, had a Jewish high level member. Didn't mean he wasn't as racist against his own ethnic group as the rest of them were.

Maybe I am and maybe i'm not. Either way, I won't act on my maybe-maybe not racist "feelings" so it dosn't matter anyway. I may be prejudiced subcontiously, and if I am, I can't change it. If that's the case, then whatever, it dosn't really matter because I can't change it

I like how the opening post compared the current Mexican administration to the Nazis. That was pretty classy.

Mostly this just made me want vodka, and I've never been to any of the 'contested' territory. Hm. I don't think that decent vodka really needs advertising.

I quite like it even if it forgets to mention that Britain owns all of these countries in an absolut world but I guess that goes without saying

what I find baffling is how Americans are boycotting a drink over this, I mean come on! I didn't know it was that easy to offend patriots

Apparently. Personally as an American I find it quite humorous because I often refer to California as Mexifornia.

I wouldn't know, I don't read their literature.

Presumably you just get it for the pictures...

Why would they? I'm sure as a matter of national pride it's painful, just as it's painful for many Americans to remember their side's loss in the Civil War. But more than a hundred years later, very few Americans want a separate country in the South.
Besides, there are already millions of Americans living in the former Mexican territories. California and Texas are two of the most populated states.
Like I said, I'm not choking on my own bile, partially because plenty of people joke so often about giving Texas or California back to the Mexicans. But there is a difference between joking about giving Texas back and joking about invading Texas.Who exactly is joking about invading Texas?

Or given the outrage, how about Traitor Tequila?Don't be stupid. It has to be Treason Tequila. :p

no skin off my american back, but who in their right mind gives a dam about booze?

i'm all for, if you take the line that devides arizona and new mexico from utah and colorado, and extend it west to the pacific ocean, and i don't really care if you throw in texas too, and give everything south of it, including los angeles and the l.a. basin, everything south of bakersfield for that matter, and give it all back to mexico, that would be fine with me. although i think texas would want to be a nation of its own, which is fine with me too.

i think the people of the yucitan should be given their narrow gauge railways back and stop being told to live their lives like the rest of mexico.

i think there are a lot of issues involved. i think those right wing idiots wanting to close borders deserve to be slapped down, but with all that, i really, seriously, honestly, don't give a dam about some dam booze advertising campaign.

good for a few innocent grins maybe. no biggie to anyone with half a brain. if there's anyone with half a brain left.

=^^=
.../\...

Really? I don't hate blacks and I have some Mexican and (racially) veitnamese friends. I suppose that's neither here nor there though.

Yay! The "I'm not racist, I have black friends!" defence! Never gets old...


but they are not really that loyal to America. If push came to shove they'd side with Mexico on (almost) any issue

...

Loyal to America? Which means what, exactly?

Presumably you just get it for the pictures...

Okay, this made me laugh.

2) The whole Korean Peninsula is secretly controlled by Kim Jong-Il.

what

Have you got a link?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html


The poll is set up this way because I'm interested in knowing how Americans view this because it is (or is not, depending on your view) offending America, but naturally also how the rest of the world views it aswell.

I think it's an offensive ad. I shudder to think what Poles would say if an Ad were ran in Germany and/or Russia and/or Austria that showed "in an Absolut world" when parts/all of Poland belonged to the former countries...

I also think that, unless the people in the Absolut ad department are total idiots, they'll know that this isn't just "historical" but will be taken into perspective with the immigration, cultural and ethnic demographic problems that the American South West in particular is now suffering from. It's impossible for them not to have considered this when constructing this ad.

Fuck Absolut. I'll take "in the present day world".

I've got no patience to read through those pages of thread... am I the only one who thinks it's hilarious that you get your knickers in a twist about a witty little piece of advertising? Seriously?

what

Have you got a link?

Here's Korea IS kimland, to think otherwise is delusion. As for the humanitarian relief, many countries would do that with or without the UN.

The first in a series of waffles freshly half-baked.

I've got no patience to read through those pages of thread... am I the only one who thinks it's hilarious that you get your knickers in a twist about a witty little piece of advertising? Seriously?

Notice how he was one of the ones ranting about the "evil Muslim hive mind" when talking about the more violent reactions to that trollish film some time ago?

Notice how he was one of the ones ranting about the "evil Muslim hive mind" when talking about the more violent reactions to that trollish film some time ago?

Like I said in a previous post, don't be surprised that most (if not all) of the people going on a piss fit about the Absolut ad will be the very same people who like to gloat about Muslims needing to grow a thicker skin towards sancriligeous cartoons and degrading stereotypes.

Here's

The first in a series of waffles freshly half-baked.

LOL!

I vaguely remember that post. If I didn't, and if it was someone else, I might not have believed you. :p

*notes link for posterity*

It is the way of the nation state throughout history to fight with it's neighbors for land. That's how things were done. It was not a complete joke. It was justified and it was needed. It's not like Mexicans had any more claim to it...they took it from their natives...I mean it all goes back to whoever has the power has the right to his land. If a nation wanted your land and they attacked you and took it, then it was their land. Is Australia's existance unjustied? How about New Zealands?

Then cut the crap about poor polish people watching a map. Do not contradict your own arguments. You first talk about the evil german ambition for Lebensraum, or the soviet expansionism, and then totally justify it when the United States was involved in a similar scheme. A mexican, watching the current map of North America, fells more or less the same than a polish watching the former map of his country divided by several other countries. For the mexican is worse just because they were never able to reclaim theirs.

A little bit of integrity from your part, please.

Now, for the second point, the ad.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html

Alright. Let's analyze it. First premise, that we need to take as true, states that the ad is specifically designed to be displayed in Mexico, right?

Try to find something weird, according to natural advertising construction. The main objetive of an ad is to give a message. That is our second premise.

To get the message, the recipient of it, in this case the mexicans watching the ad, need to understand the code. Sociology 1.1. That is our third premise.

There is a fourth and a fifth premise that doesn't make any sense to me.

Try to find something strange in the ad.




Try again.




Yet none of you have found it yet?




Yes, there is it. "In an Absolut World". Check that phrase again.




Let me remember the first premise, this ad is aimed for a mexican audience...




Care to explain me why the fuck the phrase, and I don't really give a fuck if it is a slogan, is written in english? "Always Coca Cola" is translated to "Siempre Coca Cola". What's that "In an Absolut World" crap?

I thought mexicans spoke spanish, right?. I'm pretty sure nationalistic mexicans refuse to use english. Even then, it is really, really stupid to appease and call the mexican national pride using the language of the country that took the land from them. Idiotic argentinian.

Of course the fucking ad is insulting. "In an Absolut World"? Any nationalistic mexican would think that why he has all of sudden his territories back, but has been completely culturally conquered and he is talking in english. It is insulting for the intended receptacle.

"En un mundo Absolut", bien, "El mundo según Absolut", bien, "En un mundo con Absolut", bien. "In an Absolut World" my ass. To add insult to injury, the map is in spanish, so...What the fuck?

You may need to change that to "Lebensraum" to avoid an extremely inappropriate mistake...

Thanks, you always so....Charming.

Thanks, you always so....Charming.
I actually didn't put much thought into it, since I was going to delete it once you noticed. =P

Yay! The "I'm not racist, I have black friends!" defence! Never gets old...



I don't have black friends bubba, can't you read?

The advertisement is innocuous in all definitions.

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Loyal to America? Which means what, exactly?

Definition: Faithfull adherance to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, ect
Definition: An example or instance of faithfulness
Definition: The state or quality of being loyal;faithfulness to commitments or obligations.

I think the ad is a foolish piece of nationalism. It'd be like an American vodka company running an ad where Canada is cut off at the 55th parallel.

I think the ad is a foolish piece of nationalism.
A piece of Mexican nationalism perpetrated by a French company in the name of Swedish vodka?

That’s some weird-ass nationalism...

A piece of Mexican nationalism perpetrated by a French company in the name of Swedish vodka?

That’s some weird-ass nationalism...

Yes… yes it is.
Okay, I didn't know that. But the rest of my post stands. Well, kind of, anyway.
I can't be bothered to read these articles, alright? I jus' looks at the purty pictshures.

A piece of Mexican nationalism perpetrated by a French company in the name of Swedish vodka?

That’s some weird-ass nationalism...

lawl

Definition: Faithfull adherance to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, ect


Blind nationalism? Isn't that a little... fascist?

Blind nationalism? Isn't that a little... fascist?

Its Kontor.

Definition: Faithfull adherance to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, ect
Definition: An example or instance of faithfulness
Definition: The state or quality of being loyal;faithfulness to commitments or obligations.

What if the government has done nothing to earn one's loyalty?

What if one loves one's country but abhors one's government?

Are either of the people in those two examples traitors?

Blind nationalism? Isn't that a little... fascist?

It's the definition, look it up.

What if the government has done nothing to earn one's loyalty?

What if one loves one's country but abhors one's government?

Are either of the people in those two examples traitors?


I don't see how that's relevant to my particular point.

I never mentioned Government, I was talking of one's country.


Traitors? Not from all my experience with them, but then, people are capable of a whole lot.

I don't see how that's relevant to my particular point.

I never mentioned Government, I was talking of one's country.

Yes, you did:


Definition: Faithfull adherance to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, ect
Definition: An example or instance of faithfulness
Definition: The state or quality of being loyal;faithfulness to commitments or obligations

Yes, you did:

That was taken directly from a dictionary. I didn't mention it in words coming from my brain.

That was taken directly from a dictionary. I didn't mention it in words coming from my brain.

Well then, don't give us the dictionary definition. Give us your specific definition.

A piece of Mexican nationalism perpetrated by a French company in the name of Swedish vodka?

That’s some weird-ass nationalism...

Don't forget the fact that it's using the English language.

Well then, don't give us the dictionary definition. Give us your specific definition.

Hmmm. It's hard to put into words, give me some time.

No, American. But not because I'm patriotic at all. It's just that, for the average person, Mexico is a less desirable place to live than California, so this would make life suck more for many people. It's also trying to revert to the past, something that often goes in unpleasant directions. It would be worth it to see Lou Dobbs have a heart attack, though.:D

Actualy, I could just as easily have voted No, not American, as I have dual US/Canadian citizenship.:)

That ad is awesome on so many levels. I'm American.

Yes, you did:

Kontor has a history of foot-in-mouth posts which he then tries to deny or insist meant something else.

Kontor has a history of foot-in-mouth posts which he then tries to deny or insist meant something else.

That's because they do. Don't blame me for you're lack of imagination. Now shoo, don't you have some Muslims to :fluffle: with?