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God i love the eternal pervertedness of men.

He is the son of Oswald Mosley, founder of the British union of Facists after all.

There's a thread on this, not more than a day old. The general consensus was 'who cares what he does as long as he isn't, in his public life, railing against this sort of behaviour'.

Remember Cable Street!
The blackshirts will not pass!
;)

There's a thread on this, not more than a day old. The general consensus was 'who cares what he does as long as he isn't, in his public life, railing against this sort of behaviour'.

And that celebrities need to keep better track of their sex tapes.

There's a thread on this, not more than a day old. The general consensus was 'who cares what he does as long as he isn't, in his public life, railing against this sort of behaviour'.

I didn't consent, cuz that's ridiculous. Why would hypocrisy matter, and nothing else?

"...sex acts with five prostitutes in a scenario that is believed to involve Nazi role-playing."

well if you can't do that when you're rich, what really is the point in acquiring wealth. if spanking orgies with ilsa she wolf of the ss aren't part of the perks of success, i'm glad i'm a slacking underachiever. heck i can already download all the video like that i want for free, what point would there be in all the hard work, late hours and stress.

i thought it was a hilarious headline.

remember that it was a headline in the news of the world. Mightv been completely made up........


I just spent all day trying to imagine how one could have a 'nazi orgy'. I mean, i'm all for bondage and role play and shit, i just totally failed to see how you could work sex into any specifically nazi practise.

There's a thread on this, not more than a day old.

Titled "Who's a naughty boy, then?" Remember posters, titles that actually say what a post is about help to prevent duplicate threads.

Remember Cable Street!
The blackshirts will not pass!
;)
Aye, good times.

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/wtf-18374.jpg

I didn't consent, cuz that's ridiculous. Why would hypocrisy matter, and nothing else?

General consensus. Not unanimity.

Hypocrisy would matter alone, because, one who rails against certain activities and then engages in them on the sly, deserves to be exposed.

Assuming the activities were consensual, why the fuck should we care what this guy is into?

I didn't consent, cuz that's ridiculous. Why would hypocrisy matter, and nothing else?

Because its his personal life, none of our business, its consentual, and not hurting anyone (in a way they dont like it)?


Why WOULD it matter?

Why WOULD it matter?
Been my question since the first time it was brought up. I'm baffled.

General consensus. Not unanimity.

Oh well, on NSG that counts for a whole lot.

Hypocrisy would matter alone, because, one who rails against certain activities and then engages in them on the sly, deserves to be exposed.

One who gets off on the Holocaust deserves to be exposed too.

Assuming the activities were consensual, why the fuck should we care what this guy is into?

Why "should" anyone care about anything? This isn't about should. I DO care. I like to know which public figures are going to masturbate to the thought of my ancestors being slaughtered in concentration camps. It's one of those odd quirks I have.

But hey, you know... if it was consensual, why should hypocrisy matter? Why is that such a crime and deserving of exposure, but nothing else is? I dun get it.

Because its his personal life

Yeah that must be why we're talking about it from 6,000 miles away.

, none of our business

I keep missing the company memos that delineate just what is, and what is my business and what subjects I am, and am not allowed to have an opinion on! Darned my luck.

, its consentual, and not hurting anyone (in a way they dont like it)?


Is it? I like how he has sketchy illegal sex with hookers and it's just assumed no one gets hurt or exploited or abused. One might say the entire prostitution industry is built on sexist exploitation and abuse.

Why WOULD it matter?

Self-preservation. Historically, fascists in power have a history of fucking over people like me. Only then it's not ha-ha, concentration camp orgy but actual concentration camps. This guy is a fascist son of a fascist and he shows every indication of being a danger. He's willing to commit at least one crime to get his rocks off in his sick need, how many others?

I know, I know, the idea of modern humans sadistically and violently abusing others is farfetched, especially if they are fascists, who are normally noted for their peaceful psyche and rationality.

Oh get over yourself. Nobody has told you that you CAN'T form an opinion, or that you're not ALLOWED to form an opinion, or that someone somewhere is going to PREVENT you from having an opinion.

What people have suggested is that it is likely inappropriate for someone to judge another person and the quality and caliber of his work based on what he does in private with consenting adults.

You are free to judge if you so choose, you're free to make value judgements based on what a person does on his own free time with other consenting adults. Nobody is stopping you. You're the one who has to be comfortable with the kind of person that makes you.

So GT, it's more that you are worried about his facism, and less about him being a sexual pervert absent that facism? Cuz I still don't care who or how he likes to fuck. Unless it gives me good ideas I mean.

Oh get over yourself. Nobody has told you that you CAN'T form an opinion, or that you're not ALLOWED to form an opinion, or that someone somewhere is going to PREVENT you from having an opinion.

What people have suggested is that it is likely inappropriate for someone to judge another person and the quality and caliber of his work based on what he does in private with consenting adults.

You are free to judge if you so choose, you're free to make value judgements based on what a person does on his own free time with other consenting adults. Nobody is stopping you. You're the one who has to be comfortable with the kind of person that makes you.Exactly right, go ahead and think he's a pervert and a disgusting piece of shit...but that should have no bearing on what he does for a living unless what he does for a living is use an anti-pervert position for political gain.

He is the son of Oswald Mosley, founder of the British union of Facists after all.

ah, daddy issues

Exactly right, go ahead and think he's a pervert and a disgusting piece of shit...but that should have no bearing on what he does for a living unless what he does for a living is use an anti-pervert position for political gain.

Well he's always played the 'bringing F1 into disrepute' card when he wants to get his own way.

I find this a difficult case, not for the reason I've written above, but because I think there's something wrong with the son of a fascist leader acting out Nazi fantasies. There's simply something troubling about it.

If it was someone responsible for the death of millions of native Americans acting out equivalent fantasies, would you really be so unconcerned?

Well he's always played the 'bringing F1 into disrepute' card when he wants to get his own way.

I find this a difficult case, not for the reason I've written above, but because I think there's something wrong with the son of a fascist leader acting out Nazi fantasies. There's simply something troubling about it.

If it was someone responsible for the death of millions of native Americans acting out equivalent fantasies, would you really be so unconcerned?

I think it's pretty commonplace for people to act out fantasies that others would find inappropriate. The taboo factor is very enticing. Thus, while it may disturb you, some victims of sexual abuse enjoy acting out scenes of being sexually abused, or of sexually abusing others. Then you have those who act out racist fantasies, white women being raped by black men...white women dominating black men, calling them slave etc. If it gets the participants off, who cares what their actual connection to the events being 'recreated' are, as long as they aren't actually doing these things in real life, outside of a consensual context?

This man is NOT responsible for fascism or the deaths that ensued. His genetic link to someone who is, matters not. If some descendant of general Custer, for example decided to enact fantasies of subjugating Indians, with consensual partners, why the fuck would I care? There are any number of scenarios I'd find distasteful, and wouldn't engage in. Doesn't mean I'm going to say that the person engaging in these scenarios should lose his or her job.

IF this man uses other people's perversions against them in order to persecute them, or force them out of the F1, THEN I think his own perversions are relevant. You've been the first to suggest this so far...all anyone else has focused on is his connection to fascism.

I think it's pretty commonplace for people to act out fantasies that others would find inappropriate. The taboo factor is very enticing. Thus, while it may disturb you, some victims of sexual abuse enjoy acting out scenes of being sexually abused, or of sexually abusing others. Then you have those who act out racist fantasies, white women being raped by black men...white women dominating black men, calling them slave etc. If it gets the participants off, who cares what their actual connection to the events being 'recreated' are, as long as they aren't actually doing these things in real life, outside of a consensual context?

This man is NOT responsible for fascism or the deaths that ensued. His genetic link to someone who is, matters not. If some descendant of general Custer, for example decided to enact fantasies of subjugating Indians, with consensual partners, why the fuck would I care? There are any number of scenarios I'd find distasteful, and wouldn't engage in. Doesn't mean I'm going to say that the person engaging in these scenarios should lose his or her job.

IF this man uses other people's perversions against them in order to persecute them, or force them out of the F1, THEN I think his own perversions are relevant. You've been the first to suggest this so far...all anyone else has focused on is his connection to fascism.

This.

This man is NOT responsible for fascism or the deaths that ensued. His genetic link to someone who is, matters not.

This is very true - I can't really define what disturbs me about this, and I can guarantee it's not the sexual prediliction itself, but something disturbs me in this particular case.

From their teens to early twenties, Mosley and his brother, Alexander, were involved with their father's post-war party, the Union Movement (UM), which advocated a united Europe as its core issue. Trevor Grundy, a central figure in the UM's Youth Movement, writes of the 16-year-old Mosley painting the flash and circle symbol on walls in London on the night of the Soviet Union's invasion of Hungary (4 November 1956).[12] The flash and circle was used by both the UM and the pre-war BUF.

From Wiki

He may not be responsible, but I'm not sure how much his views diverge - hard to judge I guess, harder to condemn but I simply don't think it's a case where we just brush this under the carpet and excuse it under his personal affairs.

I don't give a shit about what he does either, but I do think that the company should be able to fire him if he brings too much harm to the organisations image.

This is very true - I can't really define what disturbs me about this, and I can guarantee it's not the sexual prediliction itself, but something disturbs me in this particular case.

From their teens to early twenties, Mosley and his brother, Alexander, were involved with their father's post-war party, the Union Movement (UM), which advocated a united Europe as its core issue. Trevor Grundy, a central figure in the UM's Youth Movement, writes of the 16-year-old Mosley painting the flash and circle symbol on walls in London on the night of the Soviet Union's invasion of Hungary (4 November 1956).[12] The flash and circle was used by both the UM and the pre-war BUF.

From Wiki

He may not be responsible, but I'm not sure how much his views diverge - hard to judge I guess, harder to condemn but I simply don't think it's a case where we just brush this under the carpet and excuse it under his personal affairs.
Fair enough, perhaps he actually IS a fascist. But unless he actually takes it out of the realm of fantasy and starts supporting fascism politically or socially, does it matter? I hate racists...but if they want to have racist sexual fantasies, and that's their outlet, I sort of think it's better than them going and lynching people.

Fair enough, perhaps he actually IS a fascist. But unless he actually takes it out of the realm of fantasy and starts supporting fascism politically or socially, does it matter? I hate racists...but if they want to have racist sexual fantasies, and that's their outlet, I sort of think it's better than them going and lynching people.

Exactly. Until he starts kidnapping young jewish girls and raping and torturing them in his mini-extermination camp in his backyard, who gives a fuck? If thats how he gets his rocks off, it aint my concern.

Fair enough, perhaps he actually IS a fascist. But unless he actually takes it out of the realm of fantasy and starts supporting fascism politically or socially, does it matter? I hate racists...but if they want to have racist sexual fantasies, and that's their outlet, I sort of think it's better than them going and lynching people.

Well I actually gave this answer in the other thread on the same subject, which is what I really think - I'm just not sure he should be given a pass though.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13582317&postcount=40

Well I actually gave this answer in the other thread on the same subject, which is what I really think - I'm just not sure he should be given a pass though.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13582317&postcount=40

Barring a good reason, I can't think of why not. A good reason, in my opinion, would be if he was making other people's lives miserable for their perversions while engaging in his own...or if he acted out his fascist fantasies on unwilling victims, or in the public sphere, politically.