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Ok so I know who the 12th Cylon is.

Starbuck's mother.

In the episode 'Maelstrom' (The one where her viper is destroyed by the pressure of the gas giant when she's having visions) there is a heavy emphasis on her history with her mother and childhood memories. Here's why I think mom is a Cylon:

-She spoke of a destiny that she knew Kara had, a great destiny
-Kara mentions that mom had been having 'visions' involving her
-Mom appears to have been (badly) trying to prepare her for this destiny, expecting her to excel in all ways, but was disappointed not by Kara's lack of ability, but by her lack of discipline.
-There's a Cylon prophecy that their people would be joined by a half human half cylon. So far we've assumed that was baby Hera... but why? Hera's in no position to lead anyone anywhere and neither is baby Nicholas. The other Cylons appear to have also made this assumption, especially Deanna and Caprica(6).

Starbuck on the other hand... is in a position to do just that.

-The image of Leoben she had during the visions in 'Maelstrom' admits that he wasn't actually Leoben. What if it was her mom, appearing in a form she'd be better able to open up to, guiding her through the visions?

-and speaking of Leoben, why would he have known Kara Thrace had a destiny all the way back in season 1 in the episode where she was interrogating him? (Answer: because she's the daughter of a Cylon)

-Back in season 1 Starbuck was captured on Caprica by the Cylons and held in some sort of medical facility where they were experimenting on impregnating human females. Starbuck had a scar on her abdomen, presumably from some sort of procedure performed by the Cylons. Why wasn't she just put in the baby farm with the other women? Were they experimenting with her halfbreed eggs?

Possible disqualifiers that I can account for:

Baby Hera's blood was, owing to its Cylon nature, able to serve as a component in a syrum that cured President Roslyn of her cancer even after it had metastisized. Kara's mother dies of cancer. Can a Cylon have cancer? Well, we know that Roslyn's cancer returned about the same time this subplot with Starbuck errupted. Are they preparing us for the concept that Cylons CAN get it?

Whomever the 12th Cylon is, Deanna recognized him/her and expressed sorrow over some wrong she'd apparently committed, perhaps against this person. Over the next few episodes, watch for details on possible past interactions between Deanna and Mom Thrace, or a history involving Starbuck herself.

You actually watch that drivel?
:D

You actually watch that drivel?
:D

You're fraking right I watch it and I'm addicted and I'm contemplating violent suicide when the series ends this year.

That's an interesting theory, it almost makes me wish I still watched BSG... but the channel that shows it here was too inconsistent with it.

I guess sorta like the crap FOX pulls all the time.
http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/serenity.jpg
*sheds tear*

You're fraking right I watch it and I'm addicted and I'm contemplating violent suicide when the series ends this year.
I've never seen it, so I really can't judge it...

http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/serenity.jpg
Loser /\ :p

I've never seen it, so I really can't judge it...

Loser /\

What's gotten you into such a bad mood?

interesting analysis.

but the cylons wouldnt be so obsessed with hera if they knew that starbuck is "the one". they also dont know the identities of the other cylon models. so if mom regenerated after her death, they would know that she is a cylon, eh?

just thoughts.

im very excited about the start of this last season.

What's gotten you into such a bad mood?

Nothing, it was a joke (just noticed that I forgot the smiley) your link is broken and it is replaced with a message that says:
This site is trying to steal an image from Greekroar.com.
Don't link directly to images you find.
Stealing bandwidth is for losers.

The first two seasons were great, but lately it's become little more than a space soap opera.

Whomever the 12th Cylon is, Deanna recognized him/her and expressed sorrow over some wrong she'd apparently committed, perhaps against this person. Over the next few episodes, watch for details on possible past interactions between Deanna and Mom Thrace, or a history involving Starbuck herself.

I took this to mean this was Tigh, since she tortured him pretty severely on New Caprica. Anyway, I'm hyped. Definitely the best scifi television series to date. I'll never understand the naysayers, finally a scifi television series that is approached in an adult manner with actual substance and plot?! THE ABSOLUTE HORROR!

interesting analysis.

but the cylons wouldnt be so obsessed with hera if they knew that starbuck is "the one". they also dont know the identities of the other cylon models. so if mom regenerated after her death, they would know that she is a cylon, eh?

just thoughts.

im very excited about the start of this last season.

Me too! :)

Interesting points, although it seems they may know somehow that she has a destiny, but her half Cylon nature may not be apparent. Also, we can't assume that if one of the final 5 models were to die that they'd awaken in the same Resurrection Ship as the known 7. At the end of the last episode, a Cylon base ship confronts the fleet but their arrival coincides with the 4 'new' Cylons becoming aware of who they are. I think this Cylon force is composed of members of the final 5, NOT the original 7. I think they're a separate faction within the Cylons and that they'd have their own facilities for Resurrecting (assuming they have that capability).


I took this to mean this was Tigh, since she tortured him pretty severely on New Caprica. Anyway, I'm hyped. Definitely the best scifi television series to date. I'll never understand the naysayers, finally a scifi television series that is approached in an adult manner with actual substance and plot?! THE ABSOLUTE HORROR!

It could be Tigh, but as she approached the 5, she unveiled the one in the middle, as if that one were special somehow. I don't think that one was represented among the 'new' 4.

Nope, it's actually Apollo.

I rung up RDM and asked, and he says that all of the clues are there. He ruined Roslin's testimony against Baltar in the last series, his EMP trick in the miniseries against the Cylons shouldn't have worked but did and he got really fat and not very good at running the Pegasus, before destroying it, and in doing so taking out easily the strongest ship in the whole fleet.

So there we go.

The new BSG sucks. 'nuff said.

The new BSG sucks. 'nuff said.
Err, you're wrong.

"Sounds good, but I dunno."

They like to (try and) make those things unguessable. So you _may_ be right, but you also may not. :p

I'll wait and see. ;)

Err, you're wrong.

Not only am I right, but with the Starbuck character "reimagined" as a woman, saying that BSG sucks doesn't even begin to describe it.

Not only am I right, but with the Starbuck character "reimagined" as a woman, saying that BSG sucks doesn't even begin to describe it.
...

1) The original was just such pish, it had 'Laser Torpedoes' and such in it. Mindless and compelling in that 'crap 70s and 80s TV' kind of way, yes, actually high quality entertainment, no.

2) There's nothing particularly wrong with Starbuck as a woman, and Sackhoff is much better than Faceman ever was at the role.

3) You continue to be wrong.

Not only am I right, but with the Starbuck character "reimagined" as a woman, saying that BSG sucks doesn't even begin to describe it.

I won't comment over the Starbuck thing but I must point out that any 'cool' the original BSG may have accrued was forfeited due to 'Galactica 1980'. :(

I won't comment over the Starbuck thing but I must point out that any 'cool' the original BSG may have accrued was forfeited due to 'Galactica 1980'. :(
http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/7/71/Muffit.jpg

It had cool? :p

I won't comment over the Starbuck thing but I must point out that any 'cool' the original BSG may have accrued was forfeited due to 'Galactica 1980'. :(

That I can agree with.

Err, you're wrong.

...

1) The original was just such pish, it had 'Laser Torpedoes' and such in it. Mindless and compelling in that 'crap 70s and 80s TV' kind of way, yes, actually high quality entertainment, no.

2) There's nothing particularly wrong with Starbuck as a woman, and Sackhoff is much better than Faceman ever was at the role.

3) You continue to be wrong.

I am NEVER wrong. In fact, I define the concept of "right".

Not only am I right, but with the Starbuck character "reimagined" as a woman, saying that BSG sucks doesn't even begin to describe it.

the original was an unwatchable piece of shit. they wore CAPES for god's sake. collarless capes that only came down half way.

the original starbuck was a freaking cartoon character. changing him to a woman didnt hurt the character one bit.

Noooooooooooo! :( <tear>

Why a *SPOILER* warning in the title of the thread when you dont have any more of a clue as to what will really happen then anyone else?

Why a *SPOILER* warning in the title of the thread when you dont have any more of a clue as to what will really happen then anyone else?

Just because?

Personally, I think it is Roslin. In the episode where she gets cancer, there is a rather interesting scene, where after receiving the Hybrid blood from Hera, she has a vision of trees, with Baltar standing right there, similar to the way that they have their Projections in the ships.

My alternate theory is that Baltar is a Cylon, and sub-consciously knows it. This would explain the Projections he has with Six, who he remembers from Caprica (And yes, she was real, as Roslin sees in falshbacks to her time as Secretary of Education in the same episode where she gets cancer proves).

This could explain the images of Roslin stooping down to the Basestar controlling thing in some of the promos, and why you see Lee getting sworn in as President. She knows, and doesn't feel that a Cylon should be President of the Twelve Colonies.

Ok so I know who the 12th Cylon is.

Starbuck’s mother.
Frack no.

Whomever the 12th Cylon is, Deanna recognized him/her and expressed sorrow over some wrong she’d apparently committed, perhaps against this person. Over the next few episodes, watch for details on possible past interactions between Deanna and Mom Thrace, or a history involving Starbuck herself.
Firstly, there’s no indication that Deanna was talking to the twelfth Cylon; all we know is that she was talking to one of the other five. She’s never even met Kara’s mum, so why would she be saying sorry to her?

It’s much more plausible that she was talking to one of the five that she had previously assumed was a human; a ‘human’ she had harmed. Perhaps someone who’s eye she could have ripped out?

Why a *SPOILER* warning in the title of the thread when you dont have any more of a clue as to what will really happen then anyone else?

Because in stating my hypothesis I revealed a great many plot elements that some might not yet know about.

Frack no.


Firstly, there’s no indication that Deanna was talking to the twelfth Cylon; all we know is that she was talking to one of the other five. She’s never even met Kara’s mum, so why would she be saying sorry to her?


Ah but we don't KNOW that. That's why I said watch for an upcoming episode that may elaborate on a possible history between the two.


It’s much more plausible that she was talking to one of the five that she had previously assumed was a human; a ‘human’ she had harmed. Perhaps someone who’s eye she could have ripped out?

Possibly Tigh, as has been mentioned, but by no means assured.

Ok so I know who the 12th Cylon is.

Starbuck's mother.

In the episode 'Maelstrom' (The one where her viper is destroyed by the pressure of the gas giant when she's having visions) there is a heavy emphasis on her history with her mother and childhood memories. Here's why I think mom is a Cylon:

-She spoke of a destiny that she knew Kara had, a great destiny
-Kara mentions that mom had been having 'visions' involving her
-Mom appears to have been (badly) trying to prepare her for this destiny, expecting her to excel in all ways, but was disappointed not by Kara's lack of ability, but by her lack of discipline.
-There's a Cylon prophecy that their people would be joined by a half human half cylon. So far we've assumed that was baby Hera... but why? Hera's in no position to lead anyone anywhere and neither is baby Nicholas. The other Cylons appear to have also made this assumption, especially Deanna and Caprica(6).

Starbuck on the other hand... is in a position to do just that.

-The image of Leoben she had during the visions in 'Maelstrom' admits that he wasn't actually Leoben. What if it was her mom, appearing in a form she'd be better able to open up to, guiding her through the visions?

-and speaking of Leoben, why would he have known Kara Thrace had a destiny all the way back in season 1 in the episode where she was interrogating him? (Answer: because she's the daughter of a Cylon)

-Back in season 1 Starbuck was captured on Caprica by the Cylons and held in some sort of medical facility where they were experimenting on impregnating human females. Starbuck had a scar on her abdomen, presumably from some sort of procedure performed by the Cylons. Why wasn't she just put in the baby farm with the other women? Were they experimenting with her halfbreed eggs?

Possible disqualifiers that I can account for:

Baby Hera's blood was, owing to its Cylon nature, able to serve as a component in a syrum that cured President Roslyn of her cancer even after it had metastisized. Kara's mother dies of cancer. Can a Cylon have cancer? Well, we know that Roslyn's cancer returned about the same time this subplot with Starbuck errupted. Are they preparing us for the concept that Cylons CAN get it?

Whomever the 12th Cylon is, Deanna recognized him/her and expressed sorrow over some wrong she'd apparently committed, perhaps against this person. Over the next few episodes, watch for details on possible past interactions between Deanna and Mom Thrace, or a history involving Starbuck herself.

Why I don't think so:

Why wasn't she just put in the baby farm with the other women? Were they experimenting with her halfbreed eggs?

The better question is why they Cylons didn't just schlep her up into a Basestar so they could actually control her if she IS indeed half Cylon. That would make infinitely more sense, since they'd have the prize in hand.
a) That she was needed to get Anders (as a Cylon himself) into the Colonial Fleet from Caprica makes little sense. The Cylons already had the means to get him onto the fleeing ships after the initial attack of the war. Or could have had him at Ragnar. Or a myriad of other possibilities.
b) It makes even LESS sense given Starbuck was under arrest on New Caprica. The whole mind-break game they were playing then also makes little sense if they knew they were going to lose on NC... they'd have simply have liquidated 99% of the human populace and gone from there. Or threatened to do so and get Adama to surrender.
Likewise, Anders could have been "planted" into the populace then, too.

** I also don't believe that the four shown are actually Cylons. **
1) For Tigh to be a Cylon (or Starbuck's mother for that matter), we're talking about a multigenerational plan of intrigue... for what? To find out the alleged location of Earth? If that's to be believed, the Cyclons should have been able to get some Quisling into the Colonial Officers or maybe even into a tenured historian position in the Colonial Government over 30 years! They'd have a MUCH better chance than just assuming that someone would survive a brilliant military onslaught, and that someone in that single-city sized population (50,000) would have a clue where it might be.
It's also clear that if it IS true, Tigh would have been one of the first models, surely even earlier than Number Three. If so, he's even more defective than SHE was, and they switched her whole model!

2) Anders is a useless Cylon if he is one. He's been a key resistance fighter, killing Cylons. He was on the 6-person special tribuneral that "spaced" humans that were Cylon friendly. Oh, *and* he wasn't able to concieve a child with Starbuck (if SHE is a Cylon/half Cylon). Nevermind that if they WERE both Cylons, why bother having them live on NC at all?

3) Tory Foster is a marginally useful Cylon (being the President's right hand), but she wasn't of any value during the Baltar interregnum. Tag onto this that it was SHE that found a foster mother for Hera! The Cylons should have known where to find the kid at any time, especially on NC!

4) Galen Tyrol. This one actually makes the most sense, but with one BIG problem: Nicholas is not Cylon. We know this by mere omission -- the kid's been cared for by several doctors. THEN there's also the little problem that he was supposedly proven to not be a Cylon during the whole "Boomer shoots Adama" story arc. I can understand him saving Gaeta, etc. But those two issues should rule him out.
As a side issue: they didn't need the Galactica to get him to Eye of Jupiter doesn't help: They already had him, and Baltar. They didn't need the humans.

ALL) Note that ALL FIVE were on New Caprica, and in the resistance. We know that at least Tigh and Starbuck were incarcerated, and that the others all had lots of... "off camera time". I think that it's all an implant/mind bend. They're not Cylons at all. Agents? Maybe.

the original was an unwatchable piece of shit. they wore CAPES for god's sake. collarless capes that only came down half way.

the original starbuck was a freaking cartoon character. changing him to a woman didnt hurt the character one bit.

Compared to other 70s fashions, that wasn't so bad. Go watch "BJ and the Bear" or "One Day at a Time" and you'll see what I mean. :D

Original BSG has its place, just like Star Trek: The Movie did.

Why I don't think so:
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I think the bulk of your points can be explained by the simple fact that the first 7 models don't know who the final five are to begin with. They' dhave no reason to treat any of those characters any differently.

And since they don't know Starbuck's mom is (I'm sticking with it) it seems only Leoben has some insight into her nature, and it doesn't appear that he shares much of it with the others.

And consider this: Leoben and Caprica are the two 'spiritual' Cylon models, yet they have nothing in common beyond their monotheistic belief. The difference is that Leoben seems to focus his spirituality on all things Kara Thrace. Maybe his awareness of her special nature (not necessarily that she's half Cylon) is subconscious.

I won't comment over the Starbuck thing but I must point out that any 'cool' the original BSG may have accrued was forfeited due to 'Galactica 1980'. :(

I actually watched G:1980 last week -- got it on DVD for like $12.
Is it bad? Oh yes.

Could it have been good? Surprisingly... YES! Had it not been consigned to the 7PM Sunday timeslot (requires X educational content) and not been done on the cheap (filmed wholly on Earth with new characters) it could have done well. The original series actually had more repeated footage and nearly as much corny subject matter after they left the Colonies. (Daggits/Boxey/Hector & Vector, anyone?)

The first three episodes are actually pretty good, barring the Dr. Zee character being overdone and some of the uber-cheese. Parts of the Scouting episodes are tolerable. The Cylons landing during Haloween were actually decent as well. The Spaceball/4H episodes? AWFUL. Starbuck's story (the final episode, from unused original footage) was okay too, though it went WAAAAAAY to far into that new age hippie thing.

I think the bulk of your points can be explained by the simple fact that the first 7 models don't know who the final five are to begin with. They' dhave no reason to treat any of those characters any differently.

And since they don't know Starbuck's mom is (I'm sticking with it) it seems only Leoben has some insight into her nature, and it doesn't appear that he shares much of it with the others.

And consider this: Leoben and Caprica are the two 'spiritual' Cylon models, yet they have nothing in common beyond their monotheistic belief. The difference is that Leoben seems to focus his spirituality on all things Kara Thrace. Maybe his awareness of her special nature (not necessarily that she's half Cylon) is subconscious.

First 7 models nothing! I'm talking about the Cylon government back on Cylon that would have had to have started the whole thing to begin with! ;) If all this IS being orchastrated by the Cylons, SOMECYLON has to be in on it! Be it the yet-unknown-if-he-exists-in-this-series Emperor, or #13, or whatever.
Basically, there's no way for the "toasters" to have built the new models without some stepping stones. (IL "Lucifer" series, etc.) For them to have made Tigh & SB's Mom, they'd have to have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more advanced during the First War. I simply don't buy it! :)

Also, if Leoben and Starbuck's mother are "spiritual", why did they only mass produce Leoben? Why only have ONE possible Starbuck mother? (I'll grant they might fix that in Series 4 of course...)

The rest of what you said... yeah, all that is possible of course... or it could be just another mind-bender.

** I also don't believe that the four shown are actually Cylons. **
1) For Tigh to be a Cylon (or Starbuck's mother for that matter), we're talking about a multigenerational plan of intrigue... for what? To find out the alleged location of Earth? If that's to be believed, the Cyclons should have been able to get some Quisling into the Colonial Officers or maybe even into a tenured historian position in the Colonial Government over 30 years! They'd have a MUCH better chance than just assuming that someone would survive a brilliant military onslaught, and that someone in that single-city sized population (50,000) would have a clue where it might be.
It's also clear that if it IS true, Tigh would have been one of the first models, surely even earlier than Number Three. If so, he's even more defective than SHE was, and they switched her whole model!

2) Anders is a useless Cylon if he is one. He's been a key resistance fighter, killing Cylons. He was on the 6-person special tribuneral that "spaced" humans that were Cylon friendly. Oh, *and* he wasn't able to concieve a child with Starbuck (if SHE is a Cylon/half Cylon). Nevermind that if they WERE both Cylons, why bother having them live on NC at all?

3) Tory Foster is a marginally useful Cylon (being the President's right hand), but she wasn't of any value during the Baltar interregnum. Tag onto this that it was SHE that found a foster mother for Hera! The Cylons should have known where to find the kid at any time, especially on NC!

4) Galen Tyrol. This one actually makes the most sense, but with one BIG problem: Nicholas is not Cylon. We know this by mere omission -- the kid's been cared for by several doctors. THEN there's also the little problem that he was supposedly proven to not be a Cylon during the whole "Boomer shoots Adama" story arc. I can understand him saving Gaeta, etc. But those two issues should rule him out.
As a side issue: they didn't need the Galactica to get him to Eye of Jupiter doesn't help: They already had him, and Baltar. They didn't need the humans.

ALL) Note that ALL FIVE were on New Caprica, and in the resistance. We know that at least Tigh and Starbuck were incarcerated, and that the others all had lots of... "off camera time". I think that it's all an implant/mind bend. They're not Cylons at all. Agents? Maybe.


i was with you until i saw the battlestar galactica special on scifi last week. the producers were talking as if those guys being cylons was a done deal. it surprised me.

First 7 models nothing! I'm talking about the Cylon government back on Cylon that would have had to have started the whole thing to begin with! ;) If all this IS being orchastrated by the Cylons, SOMECYLON has to be in on it! Be it the yet-unknown-if-he-exists-in-this-series Emperor, or #13, or whatever.
Basically, there's no way for the "toasters" to have built the new models without some stepping stones. (IL "Lucifer" series, etc.) For them to have made Tigh & SB's Mom, they'd have to have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more advanced during the First War. I simply don't buy it! :)

Also, if Leoben and Starbuck's mother are "spiritual", why did they only mass produce Leoben? Why only have ONE possible Starbuck mother? (I'll grant they might fix that in Series 4 of course...)

The rest of what you said... yeah, all that is possible of course... or it could be just another mind-bender.

But one thing you've got to remember is that there appear to be 2 separate factions of Cylons. The original 7 have no idea who the Final Five are. None. That means that they've been separate at least since the 7 were created. It's possible that the final 5 are actually the 'original' if you will and the 7 models we've come to know and love were built later, and never knew the 5 that preceded them. Perahps those 5 are even a sort of set of prototypes.

In any case, it seems pretty clear that there are 2 separate factions of Cylons, and I think the ones the fleet encountered at the cliffhanger are NOT the 7. (Note: From what we can tell from that last episode, the baseships have yet to take any aggressive action toward the colonial fleet.)

i was with you until i saw the battlestar galactica special on scifi last week. the producers were talking as if those guys being cylons was a done deal. it surprised me.

true. But I'm assuming it's FUD and they want to go out with a bang!

true. But I'm assuming it's FUD and they want to go out with a bang!
I reckon they'll get to Earth only to find that it's the Cylon homeworld. People right up to the windows in awe and such, then BLAMMO, entire fleet destroyed, but the BSG launches its space to planet nukes, wiping out the Cylons there, putting them back hundreds of years.

Humans left on the 12 original colonies start breeding again (there were, after all, some left on Caprica at the very least) and we get the old "all this has happened before, and all this will happen again" stuff.

Now that would be a decent, if utterly sad, ending.

I reckon they'll get to Earth only to find that it's the Cylon homeworld. People right up to the windows in awe and such, then BLAMMO, entire fleet destroyed, but the BSG launches its space to planet nukes, wiping out the Cylons there, putting them back hundreds of years.

Humans left on the 12 original colonies start breeding again (there were, after all, some left on Caprica at the very least) and we get the old "all this has happened before, and all this will happen again" stuff.

Now that would be a decent, if utterly sad, ending.

seems plausable to me.

its hard to imagine getting to earth and having a happy sunshine kinda ending. earth could be a lifeless rock; earth could be so full of people and so xenophobic that they wont take the refugees; earth could panic and destroy them all just as they realize that they made it to their goal.

hmmm thinking of starbucks oddness in that last episode, it might be that she visited the cylon homeworld...earth.

But one thing you've got to remember is that there appear to be 2 separate factions of Cylons. The original 7 have no idea who the Final Five are. None. That means that they've been separate at least since the 7 were created. It's possible that the final 5 are actually the 'original' if you will and the 7 models we've come to know and love were built later, and never knew the 5 that preceded them. Perahps those 5 are even a sort of set of prototypes.

In any case, it seems pretty clear that there are 2 separate factions of Cylons, and I think the ones the fleet encountered at the cliffhanger are NOT the 7. (Note: From what we can tell from that last episode, the baseships have yet to take any aggressive action toward the colonial fleet.)

"...and they have a plan".
I still maintain that if we're to believe anything the Cylons have done over the past 3 series as being a part of some grand plan, ipso facto somecylon has to have planned it, and several have to have some knowledge/work on making it come to fruition. If it's the 7 or not doesn't really make a difference.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right. I'm saying that I believe this at this point as I can't see it going the way they're saying.

seems plausable to me.

its hard to imagine getting to earth and having a happy sunshine kinda ending. earth could be a lifeless rock; earth could be so full of people and so xenophobic that they wont take the refugees; earth could panic and destroy them all just as they realize that they made it to their goal.

hmmm thinking of starbucks oddness in that last episode, it might be that she visited the cylon homeworld...earth.

True, *except* that they try to keep continuity between reimaged BSG and the original series.
So I believe they will either get to Earth in nearly present-day (G:1980, which is where they got the human cylon idea), or DISTANT future (in "Hand of God", where we see the Apollo Moon Landing...) we must assume that the transmission must of travelled a LONG way for them to get it, if they hadn't already seen all the other broadcasts from here.

True, *except* that they try to keep continuity between reimaged BSG and the original series.
So I believe they will either get to Earth in nearly present-day (G:1980, which is where they got the human cylon idea), or DISTANT future (in "Hand of God", where we see the Apollo Moon Landing...) we must assume that the transmission must of travelled a LONG way for them to get it, if they hadn't already seen all the other broadcasts from here.

oh.

i couldnt watch the original series, it was too awful. have they been following it all this time?

oh.

i couldnt watch the original series, it was too awful. have they been following it all this time?
Not really. There are similarities, but also vast, vast differences.

oh.

i couldnt watch the original series, it was too awful. have they been following it all this time?

Not exactly, just keeping several plot elements and concepts to make it sort of fit the whole "All this has happened before, and it will happen again" theme.

Not everything is repeated, only thematic elements like Starbuck being stranded on a planet, the Battlestar Pegasus begin destroyed by a collision with a Baseship after being found again, etc.

Not exactly, just keeping several plot elements and concepts to make it sort of fit the whole "All this has happened before, and it will happen again" theme.

Not everything is repeated, only thematic elements like Starbuck being stranded on a planet, the Battlestar Pegasus begin destroyed by a collision with a Baseship after being found again, etc.

I think it's a solid modern update.
They had "Fire in Space" tie into the first episode where they vented the ship into space. Athena (Boomer being Adama's "daughter") is an amalgamated character. In this universe the Cylons got the plague, not the humans. There is mining, cylons have that red-light thing going on, worker strikes, etc.

While other aspects are missing so far like the Cylon Emperor, no Daggits/pesky kids (thankfully!), no Ships of Lights, no Ambrosia, minor characters are different (Hotdog for Jolly, no Greenbean, etc.)

All in all, it's been mostly faithful IMO... at least 80% of what we see is original storyline updated or extrapolated.

I also wonder if the Earth they find won't be the Terra from the Eastern Alliance story arc? :evil:

I think it's a solid modern update.
They had "Fire in Space" tie into the first episode where they vented the ship into space. Athena (Boomer being Adama's "daughter") is an amalgamated character. In this universe the Cylons got the plague, not the humans. There is mining, cylons have that red-light thing going on, worker strikes, etc.

While other aspects are missing so far like the Cylon Emperor, no Daggits/pesky kids (thankfully!), no Ships of Lights, no Ambrosia, minor characters are different (Hotdog for Jolly, no Greenbean, etc.)

All in all, it's been mostly faithful IMO... at least 80% of what we see is original storyline updated or extrapolated.

I also wonder if the Earth they find won't be the Terra from the Eastern Alliance story arc? :evil:

I'm glad they changed the nature of the Cylons at least. In the original BASG they were an alien race that had shed their biological bodies for robotic ones as opposed to being machines who want to evolve INTO biological bodies.

We did have Boxey for like 2 episodes and he just vanished. No daggit, thank the gods.

What I love is that the Cylons from the First Cylon War are all styled like the original series, including the baseships, old disclike raiders with the 3 man crew, and they talk in that modular computer like voice. (In the flashbacks in Razor, they even said "By your command..." So classic)

Four hypotheses:

1. It's Roslin. She's a "schoolteacher" who has just become the most ruthless politician short of Stalin. Willing to commit genocide, steal elections, lie, cheat and steal. She has an absolute conviction that she's right and will stop at nothing. She never loses her temper and that smug, Mona Lisa half-smile is always there.

2. It's Dee, Lee Adama's wife. She's ubiquitous. Quiet spoken and competent, she always seems to say the right thing.

3. It's Zarek. He got off the prison ship and worked his way up to VP. That would put two Cylons next to the president.

4. It's every "human" in the fleet. Actually, everyone in the fleet is Cylon or half-Cylon and this is a civil war between Cylons who think they're human and Cylons who know they're not.

And, for the record, comparing "classic" BSG and the re-imagined BSG is like comparing apples and oranges. Superficial similarities notwithstanding, the original was a well-done kids' show, the new one is for adults.

What I love is that the Cylons from the First Cylon War are all styled like the original series, including the baseships, old disclike raiders with the 3 man crew, and they talk in that modular computer like voice. (In the flashbacks in Razor, they even said "By your command..." So classic)
Aye, Razor was quite good. I also totally recognised the voice actor from the Homeworld series. I wonder if he puts on his resume "voice easily altered to sound like a prophetic biomechanical being, specialising in dying races in turbulent times" or something.

Four hypotheses:

1. It's Roslin. She's a "schoolteacher" who has just become the most ruthless politician short of Stalin. Willing to commit genocide, steal elections, lie, cheat and steal. She has an absolute conviction that she's right and will stop at nothing. She never loses her temper and that smug, Mona Lisa half-smile is always there.

Possible, but that would imply they'd planned ahead for her to survive the Cylon attack and become President in the first place. (Although there could be some merit to the idea that saving her via baby Hera's blood was part of their prophecy.)


2. It's Dee, Lee Adama's wife. She's ubiquitous. Quiet spoken and competent, she always seems to say the right thing.


Possible, although I can't think of anything that hints at it.


3. It's Zarek. He got off the prison ship and worked his way up to VP. That would put two Cylons next to the president.


That would be irony... the Apollo from the old BSG as a Cylon...


4. It's every "human" in the fleet. Actually, everyone in the fleet is Cylon or half-Cylon and this is a civil war between Cylons who think they're human and Cylons who know they're not.


That would be weird and hard to support in the story arc now.

Actually, there are very few verifiable humans, if you think about it this way:

1)Callie. We know Cylons can't breed with Cylons. She gave birth to the child of a Cylon. Therefore she's got to be human.
2)Helo. See above.
3)Lee Adama. At most he could only be half Cylon, assuming one of his parents is.
4)William Adama. We see him fighting Cylons in the first Cylon war via flashbacks in Razor. Supposedly, Tigh did too but we never SAW him depicted in the first Cylon war and he didn't meet William Adama until after.

Whelp, last night's episode settled nothing for me... they could be Cylons, or they could be agents. Overall the episode raised more questions than it answered.

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