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Max Mosley, son of Oswald Mosley, that's who.
Defiant Mosley vows to fight on

Max Mosley has pledged to carry on as president of the FIA, motorsport's governing body, despite allegations about his private life.

In a statement, Mosley apologised for any embarrassment caused to the organisation and its members.

But the 67-year-old added that he will open legal proceedings against those who had conducted a "covert investigation" to discredit him.

"I will not allow any of this to impede my commitment to the FIA," he said.

The News of the World carried a report on Sunday claiming Mosley had taken part in a "Nazi-style orgy in a torture dungeon".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7325602.stm

Just what was that "Nazi-style orgy in a torture dungeon"?
For that we head over to the NotW:
F1 boss Max Mosley has sick Nazi orgy with 5 hookers
Son of fascist Hitler lover in sex shame

FORMULA One motor racing chief Max Mosley is today exposed as a secret sado-masochist sex pervert.
The son of infamous British wartime fascist leader Oswald Mosley is filmed romping with five hookers at a depraved NAZI-STYLE orgy in a torture dungeon. Mosley— a friend to F1 big names like Bernie Ecclestone and Lewis Hamilton— barks ORDERS in GERMAN as he lashes girls wearing mock DEATH CAMP uniforms and enjoys being whipped until he BLEEDS.

The multi-millionaire son of Sir Oswald, who was a pal of Adolf Hitler, plays a concentration camp commandant in a FIVE-HOUR torture chamber video.

Mosley—the most powerful man in motor-racing—barks orders in German as he WHIPS two hookers dressed in striped uniforms reminiscent of AUSCHWITZ garb while girls in Nazi uniforms look on.

At one point the wrinkled 67-year-old—who publicly likes to give the impression he has put his father's evil legacy behind him—yells "she needs more of ze punishment!" while brandishing a LEATHER STRAP over a brunette's naked bottom.

Then the lashes rain down as Mosley counts them out in German: "Eins! Zwei! Drei! Vier! Fünf! Sechs!"

With each blow, the girl yelps in pain as grinning, grey-haired Mosley becomes clearly aroused. And after the beating, he makes her perform a sex act on him.

Last month the urbane president of the FIA—Formula One's governing body—hit the headlines when he announced a crackdown on racism in the sport after McLaren ace Lewis Hamilton was abused by Spanish spectators.
WIFE: Jean

But on Friday the only ‘crackdowns' married Mosley was interested in were on bare buttocks...including his own.

Plaster
Before hammering away at the girls he plays a cowering death camp inmate himself, having his GENITALS inspected and his hair searched for LICE—mocking the humiliating way Jews were treated by SS death camp guards in World War II.


Then, head bowed and tied up in chains, he is interrogated by a dominatrix before being chained up and LASHED so hard over a TORTURE BENCH that he WHIMPERS for mercy and has to have a wound dressing put on his backside.
It goes on from there, into way too much detail.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/3003_nazi_orgy.shtml

I do so love their impartial, unemotional reporting.

I love this turn of phrase from the NotW:
Red-faced and panting, Mosley looks on like a child in a sweet shop, but surrounded by bright red bottoms.
It just conjures up such a vision!

Looks like you can't take the facist out of the man.

For the NoTW, they've really failed on making F1 puns throughout this story.

'firm grasps on gearsticks', 'low chassis', 'tight bends' etc.,

Sloppy journalism.

You have to love tabloid press. Especially the way they capitalise stuff just in case you're likely to miss a word like "nazi" or "auschwitz" in an article. Also, you really do have to wonder about anyone who's willing to go and film something like that.

Probably the excess of looking too much at BDSM hentai.

Private time is private?

Leave the man his fun, damnit. Roleplaying == win.

Always amazes me that someone so devoid of leadership ability ended up in charge of anything.

Didn't this story break some time after Mosley started a defamation suit against another of Rupert Murdoch's newspapers?

Sounds like a load of crap to me. A grade-B newspaper making up an offensive story to gain popularity? How novel :rolleyes:

Why can't these people keep closer track of their sex tapes? :p

Edit: ((None of mine have snuck out. A few photos, but that's another story))

Sounds like a load of crap to me. A grade-B newspaper making up an offensive story to gain popularity? How novel :rolleyes:

Interestingly, it seems Mosley is only suing NOTW for breach of privacy, not for making the story up.

From what I've heard he's also written to the FIA apologising for his behaviour. And Bahrain have asked him not to attend the forthcoming Bahrain F1 Grand Prix.

So, no, not made up.

Hilarious, though, maybe we'll finally get rid of him and get someone competent in charge of motorsport.

lol F1 forums have been abuzz about this for a few days now, Nadkor is right. He's admitted it in a statement he released yesterday.

Good riddance to bad rubbish really, he was never my favourite person and not a competent leader either.


I think he needs more of ze punishment tbh! :D

I honestly don't know what to say. It seems that his father was indeed a fascist, though.

It seems that his father was indeed a fascist, though.

Therein lies the problem because, let's face it, we all indulge in a little Nazi-style orgy in your typical torture chamber once in a while, but when your father's a fully-fledged fascist leader, it suddenly takes on this kind of sinister undertone or something.

Sins of the father I guess.

He's a victim of circumstance.

I bet it would take an industrial polisher to wipe the smile off Ron Dennis's face...

So he likes to RP Nazi's Auschwitz condition during WW II during his orgy, who cares? I bet anyone here $5 (US) that there are more people interested in BDSM than we realize.

I really fail to see why his personal sexual activities are anybody's concern.

The story made me lawl, mostly because of how it was written.


Either way, who cares? The hookers knew what they were getting into, and as long as its consensual with any non-hookers, who gives a crap?

I really fail to see why his personal sexual activities are anybody's concern.

Me and Art agree on something! :eek:

*Hopes this mean that Art is leaning towards Libertarianism* :p j/k

It's a love for BDSM is all, there's really no crime here, it's a fantasy and shouldn't have any place in the media. Nazi-Style Orgy, fine; That doesn't even begin to say that he has Nazi-like ideals; His time speaking against it far outweighs a sexual tryst. There are Dominatrix and sadomasochistic clubs everywhere, and if there's no crime being committed, there's no need to film it without consent of the participants.

Heh... Besides, it makes good money; Look at all those internet sites.

I hope everyone involved had a good time?

Seriously, what people do to each other to get off is not our business. (assuming everyone involved consents)

Me and Art agree on something! :eek:

*Hopes this mean that Art is leaning towards Libertarianism* :p j/k

I've been a libertarian, at least on social issues, for a very long time. I just don't agree with their tax ideology.

I've been a libertarian, at least on social issues, for a very long time. I just don't agree with their tax ideology.

Ahh, I always had you pegged for a Democrat. Well, just goes to show what happens when you assume. hehe.

*passes Art a beer*

The only reason I would ever give a shit about how this guy likes to get his rocks off would be if he were railing publicly against 'perversion' whilst wallowing in it himself. Since he isn't, who cares? Consensual sex, no matter how weird it might seem to others, should not ruin a person. Makes me sick that the 'morality police' use this sort of thing to attack a person.

I agree. But they have to learn to keep closer track of their sex tapes. Especially if they're 67. Eww. :p

Ahh, I always had you pegged for a Democrat. Well, just goes to show what happens when you assume. hehe.

*passes Art a beer*

politically I vote democrat and am registered democrat because they're the party most closely aligned with my political ideology that has a snowball's chance in hell of winning an election.

Lesser of two evils and all that...

And I don't vote libertarian because the libertarian candidates, especially on tax issues, are fucking nuts, and are often intermingled with those "states rights" nutcases.

The only reason I would ever give a shit about how this guy likes to get his rocks off would be if he were railing publicly against 'perversion' whilst wallowing in it himself. Since he isn't, who cares? Consensual sex, no matter how weird it might seem to others, should not ruin a person. Makes me sick that the 'morality police' use this sort of thing to attack a person.

I agree (duh). Hypocracy is one thing. Attacking gays while trying to secure a blowjob in the men's bathroom is one thing. Accusing the president of immorality while you carry on an affair behind the back of your wife who is dying of cancer is one thing. Being on a subcommittee to prevent exploitation of children while you send a minor child explicit text messages is one thing. Standing at the pulpit decrying gays to hell the day after a meth filled night of fucking a male hooker up the ass in a hotel room is one thing

But this guy, from what I can tell, never was outspoken against the things he was involved in. Never claimed his own lifestyle was immoral or wrong. Never tried to criminalize or marginalize people like him.

So what the fuck does it matter what he does in his free time?

Max Mosley, son of Oswald Mosley, that's who.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7325602.stm

Just what was that "Nazi-style orgy in a torture dungeon"?
For that we head over to the NotW:

It goes on from there, into way too much detail.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/3003_nazi_orgy.shtml

I do so love their impartial, unemotional reporting.

I love this turn of phrase from the NotW:

It just conjures up such a vision!

Looks like you can't take the facist out of the man.

Wow. What a waste of bandwidth.

Consent. End of story.

The only reason this would be a story, is if the 'pervert' in question was being somehow hypocritical (like blowing guys in a public toilet whilst waging a political battle against homosexuals, or something). Absent that, how people get their cookies just ain't news.

I think it can be summed up in one sentence:

"People, in themselves, always desire something to complain about."

Okay, so I've thought about it and there's only one way he can get out of this. Some hookers dressed as KGB guards need to take him as a political prisoner to be re-educated in a Soviet gulag style orgie. It will be filmed of course, and will be far longer than the Nazi tape. That ought to put the public at ease.

I really fail to see why his personal sexual activities are anybody's concern.

Because they're hilarious.

Did anyone else think this looked like an April Fool's Day joke? Because that's what I thought. Maybe this guy needs to be referred to the World Assembly.

That said, BDSM isn't that bad if you're into it. It just looks a lot more fucked up than it really is. THe whole Nazi thing is...well, not to my liking (I always picture people wearing brown, which is a color I don't associate with sexual activity at all) and, in all likelihood, completely fucked up, but is it any worse, from a sexual standpoint, than the traditional dominatrix scene?

Yes? Well, OK, maybe.

Still sounds like an April Fool's Day write-up to me. Even if it's not.

Everyone seems to be excusing this guy and, really, my own post was actually more tongue-in-cheek than serious because I don't for a second, think that the average person indulges in Nazi-style orgies.

Personally, I think Max Mosley is a total horror to humanity, I'd be absolutely sure that he is a supremacist of the highest order and all his claims to hold none of the views of his father are suspect to the highest degree.

I can't speak for anyone but I think dressing up as a Nazi in order to play sexual games speaks of an extremely weird, if not troubling, mind - I'm not convinced it's just okay.

I was watching Munich on HBO last night and what struck me were the cowardly money-providers, these seemingly respectable businessmen who fund death and destruction, send others to do their dirty work - and this was on both sides - and I thought that we often focus on the visible aspects of bigotry, racism, sexism and others without talking about the shadow figures, saying one thing in public while holding completely different views in private, who allow this, who support this yet pass themselves off as respectable members of society.

I'm not completely placing Max Mosley in this light, what I'm trying to say is that horrendous views reach up into the highest levels of society, it makes these things seem acceptable at some point.

I'm not overly sure where I'm going other than to say that I think Max Mosley is a fairly despicable man and I'm glad this has all come to light.

Everyone seems to be excusing this guy and, really, my own post was actually more tongue-in-cheek than serious because I don't for a second, think that the average person indulges in Nazi-style orgies.

Personally, I think Max Mosley is a total horror to humanity, I'd be absolutely sure that he is a supremacist of the highest order and all his claims to hold none of the views of his father are suspect to the highest degree.

I can't speak for anyone but I think dressing up as a Nazi in order to play sexual games speaks of an extremely weird, if not troubling, mind - I'm not convinced it's just okay.

I find myself in agreement. I mean ask yourself this - out of all the fucked-up friends, families, lovers and ex-lovers you've known, who would need hours and hours of videotaped, Nazi Holocaust sex to get off? I know some freaks and even they don't need to indulge in fantasies about mass murder. And if they did they don't film it and make big spectacles of themselves.

Frankly, this guy is getting any sex at all at his age - plus his father was a Nazi - he gets about no sympathy from me. If he didn't want bad flak he could have been a little less conspicuous about his sexual interest in crimes against humanity. He wasn't, so anyone wants to try that "You're oppressing sexual preferences, it's like you hate gay people too!" card had just better put that sucker back in their wallet. ;)

Ok, I have to express some confusion at this point. Who videotaped this? Did he make this public himself, or did the man have an expectation of privacy that was broken? If so, I have to vote against the concept of thoughtcrime, even prosecuted by the media and the public. What the man gets off on is his business, and none of ours, and I don't think we know enough about him to make any judgements about his character based on his sexual fetishes.

If we are to be judged on the moral content of our sexual fantasies, you may as well condemn me, and half this board, now.

Therein lies the problem because, let's face it, we all indulge in a little Nazi-style orgy in your typical torture chamber once in a while, but when your father's a fully-fledged fascist leader, it suddenly takes on this kind of sinister undertone or something.

Sins of the father I guess.

He's a victim of circumstance.

Or a fascist with an Auschwitz fetish.

Or a fascist with an Auschwitz fetish.

the thing's not seen as bad enough, you all have to embellish it to make it about death and murder as well? We do not know whether or to what extent gas chambers and killing occur in his fantasies, and it's none of our business. and to extrapolate his political leanings from his sexual leanings is, frankly, disgusting to me. sexual fetishes are a nebulous thing. You have seen one thing about this man that he did not want the world to see, and you would proceed to judge his entire character based on it?

You have seen one thing about this man that he did not want the world to see, and you would proceed to judge his entire character based on it?

Hell yes... I'm guessing you've heard the joke about Bob, who built the town hall, saved the town from burning down, and ran a marathon for charity... but did they call him Bob the Builder, Bob the Firefighter or Bob the Athlete? No... but he shags one sheep...

On one level, it's as funny as hell - a 67 year old bloke paying five women £2,500 (about $5,000 in funny money) to dress up, roleplay some fairly dubious roles and do the spanking thing. I'm thinking Bahrain banned him not on morality grounds, more because they wouldn't be able to speak to him without crying with laughter.

But the Auschwitz fetish. Ew. That's a bit much.

the thing's not seen as bad enough, you all have to embellish it to make it about death and murder as well? We do not know whether or to what extent gas chambers and killing occur in his fantasies, and it's none of our business. and to extrapolate his political leanings from his sexual leanings is, frankly, disgusting to me. sexual fetishes are a nebulous thing. You have seen one thing about this man that he did not want the world to see, and you would proceed to judge his entire character based on it?

The man's father was a fascist and he gets off on re-enacting Nazi war camp fetishes... it isn't a stretch to assume daddy taught him well.

I wasn't aware that the nazis had their own style of orgy.

The man's father was a fascist and he gets off on re-enacting Nazi war camp fetishes... it isn't a stretch to assume daddy taught him well.

I was discussing this the other day and, off a comment that his father might have abused him, we came to a separate conclusion.

To grow up in Britain, as the son of Oswald Mosely, that must have been pretty terrible in the post-war years. I can hardly believe his self-esteem wasn't battered on a daily basis simply for who he was.

It may be, at the risk of pop psychology, that he has a need to punish himself for who he is, for who his father was. He's said himself that he cannot escape how he's treated, that in an ideal life he'd have gone into politics but being what his father stood for, that road was impossible.

He may hate himself, for no other reason than the perceived sins of his father and the constant reminder of that.

I still think he's a disturbed man, I'm just not sure whether he's a man to be pitied though.

Fascists put state above all else nazis put race above all else thats why mussolini and hitler didnt get along at first the only reason they were allies was over bitterness from world war 1 and both france and great britian confronting italy over its raids in africa so please stop referring to them as fascists if any one living in a democracy wasnt so narrowminded you would all see that fascism like communism is a great idea theyve just been instilled wrong and stop using it as an insult

the thing's not seen as bad enough, you all have to embellish it to make it about death and murder as well? We do not know whether or to what extent gas chambers and killing occur in his fantasies, and it's none of our business. and to extrapolate his political leanings from his sexual leanings is, frankly, disgusting to me. sexual fetishes are a nebulous thing. You have seen one thing about this man that he did not want the world to see, and you would proceed to judge his entire character based on it?
I believe he was a parliamentary candidate for the British Fascist Party (in one of its incarnations).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Mosley#Politics

Looks reasonably accurate. I won't link to the video (it was removed from Youtube for copyright violation, and from the NotW website for legal reasons), but it is still available on the interwebs. But it is as funny as hell. I couldn't watch all of it for rolling around on the floor crying. One worries about how people will speak to him in future...

Racetrack official: "Are you enjoying the facility Herr Mosley? Is it clean? Is it as clean as the previous facility?"
Mosley: "Jawohl, mein Kommandant"

Ultimately, I think this whole thread loses to Godwin's Law. But what a way to go!

Yet more evidence that the News of the World is a vile newspaper. Mr.Mosley, much as anybody else, has a right to a private life, removed from the lenses of the tabloids, as much as anybody else ought to, and I can only hope he is successful in his court case, and the verdict shames the News of the World into better practices.

Yet more evidence that the News of the World is a vile newspaper. Mr.Mosley, much as anybody else, has a right to a private life, removed from the lenses of the tabloids, as much as anybody else ought to, and I can only hope he is successful in his court case, and the verdict shames the News of the World into better practices.

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Chris...

Yet more evidence that the News of the World is a vile newspaper. Mr.Mosley, much as anybody else, has a right to a private life, removed from the lenses of the tabloids, as much as anybody else ought to, and I can only hope he is successful in his court case, and the verdict shames the News of the World into better practices.

You'd think a court case would shame the NoTW but it really won't I think it has the 3rd highest readership in the UK, behind the Sun and the Daily Mail. Unfortunately with tabloids, their fist aim is to make money, their second to report the news.

I'll try and find the facts I did when I did a presentation on the news industry..but yeah, basically tabloids want to make money and then report the truth while broadsheets focus on reporting the news where most of the money they receive is through advertisers.

The man's father was a fascist and he gets off on re-enacting Nazi war camp fetishes... it isn't a stretch to assume daddy taught him well.

No, if you seek to do so anyway. Of course, don't let the fact that the average British sot in a pub will be making the same connection vocally and drunkenly.

It's more likely it's simply a fetish, which rather more people have than the repressed moralistic silent majority would care to admit.

You'd think a court case would shame the NoTW but it really won't I think it has the 3rd highest readership in the UK, behind the Sun and the Daily Mail. Unfortunately with tabloids, their fist aim is to make money, their second to report the news.

I'll try and find the facts I did when I did a presentation on the news industry..but yeah, basically tabloids want to make money and then report the truth while broadsheets focus on reporting the news where most of the money they receive is through advertisers.

I suspected as much, however, for some reason, this does make me truly sad. I'd always quite liked the idea that a newspaper should strive for verism, not to satiate people's desires for smut, vacuous celebrity and deriding the rich and powerful while drinking their first special brew and smking their first Mayfair of the day.

I suspected as much, however, for some reason, this does make me truly sad. I'd always quite liked the idea that a newspaper should strive for verism, not to satiate people's desires for smut, vacuous celebrity and deriding the rich and powerful while drinking their first special brew and smking their first Mayfair of the day.

Also Rupert Murdoch is actually acting as Editor n Chief for the NoTW. That man has more power globally when it comes to information than any other man:

News of the World
The Sun
The Times
The Sunday Times
Sky Television

That's in the UK alone.

In Australia he owns 3/4 of newspapers
In the US:

The Wall Street Journal
20th Century Fox (including all affiliates)
The New York Post

Other Assets include:

MySpace - Also avaliable in China where he gave access to the Ruling Party to monitor the online activities of its citizens.

So much of what we see and hear is down to this man.

He has a net worth of $8.8 billion.

Also Rupert Murdoch is actually acting as Editor n Chief for the NoTW. That man has more power globally when it comes to information than any other man:

News of the World
The Sun
The Times
The Sunday Times
Sky Television

That's in the UK alone.

In Australia he owns 3/4 of newspapers
In the US:

The Wall Street Journal
20th Century Fox (including all affiliates)
The New York Post

Other Assets include:

MySpace - Also avaliable in China where he gave access to the Ruling Party to monitor the online activities of its citizens.

So much of what we see and hear is down to this man.

He has a net worth of $8.8 billion.

I knew he had an extensive portfolio, but that's quite staggering, and quite wrong if we seek a press that actually says anything worthwhile.

I wasn't aware that the nazis had their own style of orgy.
If it's in German, it's probably full of Nazism. There's the golden rule.

I knew he had an extensive portfolio, but that's quite staggering, and quite wrong if we seek a press that actually says anything worthwhile.

http://www.newscorp.com/

You can see all of his assets there. He also wants to make Sky News a lot more like Fox News. His biggest competitors currently are:

CNN
BBC
Deutshe Welle

He also wants to make Sky News a lot more like Fox News.
Argh :(

As pish as it is, Sky News is a lot more like news and a lot less like News-tertainment than Fox. It doesn't quite have the same cheap, retarded feel as Fox.