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If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

Free Speech apparently.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

because then the mods can't sneak up on you and do *SUPRISE BAN!!!!*

*sarifices Vaklavia to mods*

*In a completely non-offensive way*

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you won't let that something be spoken about and debated on.

lul april fools thred

This is the only explanation I can come up with for something so silly.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you won't let that something be spoken about and debated on.

OK lets debate racism. Do you think black people are sub human vermin? yes or no?

In a way it is. You can't have racially offensive flags, you can't just make your posts filled with racial slurs, you can't use racial slurs against other posters.

However, he does encourage open discussion and as such doesn't suppress any view point. To say that allowing that kind of discussion makes him the same as one side of the argument is kind of ridiculous. He allows racists to make their arguments as well as those who aren't. Why is he automatically one and not the other?

In a way it is. You can't have racially offensive flags, you can't just make your posts filled with racial slurs, you can't use racial slurs against other posters.

However, he does encourage open discussion and as such doesn't suppress any view point. To say that allowing that kind of discussion makes him the same as one side of the argument is kind of ridiculous. He allows racists to make their arguments as well as those who aren't. Why is he automatically one and not the other?


Its just that there have been recent racist posts made by members and attempts to get the person banned were met with 'racisim is not against the rules? If this was any other forum most of the members here would have been banned by now.

max Barry Is A Nazi

OK lets debate racism. Do you think black people are sub human vermin? yes or no?
In general, no. In a particular instance, maybe. But that doesn't mean much. We have had people wander in from Stormfront from time to time and get debated within an inch of their vertual lives by the people on this board.

Their arguments were exposed for the illogical shams that they were and it was FAR more satisfying than running to the Mods and asking them to be banned for their opinions.

As Cannot think of a name said, just because they are allowed to speak doesn't mean we can't speak back, we are allowed, nay, encouraged by Max, to. We just can't flame them.

max Barry Is A Nazi

Useful post that adds to the discussion. :rolleyes:

Its just that there have been recent racist posts made by members and attempts to get the person banned were met with 'racisim is not against the rules? If this was any other forum most of the members here would have been banned by now.
This isn't any other forum, this is NSG. Thems the breaks, but that's why we like it here.

...because people have opinions.

If you ban people from having opinions, you lose the opportunity to change those opinions.

Just because opinions offend some people, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to out in the open.

Finally, there's a point where constantly calling 'racism', if you start to ban in reaction to those calls, simply goes lower and lower until you can't mention anything without being called a racist - this creates as blind a discussion in avoiding race issues as it does meeting them head on.

If someone is being pointedly racist to specifically upset one person, that is flaming, if they're doing it to get a rise out of people for their own kicks, that is trolling.

Just having offensive opinions, well offense can be different for all sorts of people.

Its just that there have been recent racist posts made by members and attempts to get the person banned were met with 'racisim is not against the rules? If this was any other forum most of the members here would have been banned by now.

Best April Fools?

Or Worst?

NSG Decides!

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?
Considering that the first thing you said to me was that I was racist, maybe receiving the title from you is a compliment. That said, you may note that Nazis, Pornographers, people who show gore and excessive violence, and users of swearwords have the most restrictions on what they can and cannot post or include in their Nation. Note that Nazis are the only political entity among those listed.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?
It's not against the rules to post a ridiculous claim like false accusations ?
Surprises me, but it's still MILES away from actually supporting every ridiculous claim.
Whether the ridiculous claim in question is "Some races are inferior", "Max barry is a Nazi" or "Max Barry is a racist" doesn't make too much of a difference in my book.
Allowing nonsense claims to be made in the open so that reasonable people have a chance to speak against them is preferable over censorship any day.

max Barry Is A Nazi

Godwin's Law. You lose. :D

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

If you're knee-jerk enough, everyone's racist, or sexist, or some sort of -ist. It doesn't mean that they actually are - it's just that you've been able to find something, no matter how flimsy, on which to base the claim. Like here, for example, where not restricting free speech is presumed to be support for and agreement with anything that might be said.

Next time you're on IMDb, anyone, have a look through any movie message board. There's a high probability that somewhere down the line of posts you'll find a message from someone claiming the director/writer/producer is 'racist' because there aren't more <insert ethnic group here> people on screen at any given time. But this is how some people spend their time: they analyse and re-analyse everything they see, picking over it in minute detail in the desperate hope they'll find some excuse to kick up a self-important fuss about prejudice and in doing so garner some attention for themselves. Some people have a vested interested in combatting prejudice, and so - like mediaeval witchfinders - they need to ensure that there's plenty of prejudice around for them to combat, even if that means they have to manufacture it themselves.

As NERVUN has already said, it's far better to allow racists to have their say and demonstrate the ridiculousness of their arguments than it is to forbid them from speaking. Such a prohibition plays into their hands: it gives them ammunition. They can then say that you've gagged them because you 'fear the truth' - whereas in fact their rhetoric is usually quite easily demolished.

The ironic thing is, aside from the excellent reasons given for why perceived racist views should be allowed, Max Barry is indeed an enormous racist.

His essay on A Solution for Aborigines, cheap mining labour for Australia, is a disgrace.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?It is, to some extent. But it's already covered by the other rules.

His essay on A Solution for Aborigines, cheap mining labour for Australia, is a disgrace.
If that's so (and I've no reason to draw a conclusion either way, since I've not read or heard of the essay), then that would be a good reason to argue that he's racist. Claiming that he's racist because he doesn't censor these forums is simply not a good reason.

If that's so (and I've no reason to draw a conclusion either way, since I've not read or heard of the essay), then that would be a good reason to argue that he's racist. Claiming that he's racist because he doesn't censor these forums is simply not a good reason.

I'm not sure he does anything on these forums, I'd be surprised if he'd looked at them over the last year - probably too busy driving around rural towns looking for lone Aborigines to beat up with his MaxWhite Gang.

To think they have T-shirts as well.

Google his picture - he's a skinhead.

I'm not sure he does anything on these forums, I'd be surprised if he'd looked at them over the last year - probably too busy driving around rural towns looking for lone Aborigines to beat up with his MaxWhite Gang.

To think they have T-shirts as well.

Google his picture - he's a skinhead.Source it or its an April Fools joke. ;)

Source it or its an April Fools joke. ;)

Even if the essay is online, which a quick search says it isn't, I'm not sure I'd want to expose the innocent minds of NSG to the depravity, the racism and the outright mutilated thoughts contained within.

You can image search him on Google though, total Nazi.

Even if the essay is online, which a quick search says it isn't, I'm not sure I'd want to expose the innocent minds of NSG to the depravity, the racism and the outright mutilated thoughts contained within.

You can image search him on Google though, total Nazi.

i think you have to subscribe to his "blacks are subhuman vermin" newletter to get that essay.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

Its just that there have been recent racist posts made by members and attempts to get the person banned were met with 'racisim is not against the rules? If this was any other forum most of the members here would have been banned by now.

The attempts to get the person banned were probably overreactive and unnecessary. Posting a legitimate question for discussion is one thing, but slurring another poster is another. The former is a legitimate debate wherein those with faulty assumptions and logic may attempt to display them to a round of sensible rebuttals. The latter is childish crap that deserves Mod action. The line can be thin at times, but I think the Mods do a good job of tightrope-walking it.

Even if the essay is online, which a quick search says it isn't, I'm not sure I'd want to expose the innocent minds of NSG to the depravity, the racism and the outright mutilated thoughts contained within.

You can image search him on Google though, total Nazi.

Okay, if this doesn't convince the Forum that this is an April Fool joke, nothing will.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

We haven't developed sufficiently accurate Moderation tools for patrolling thoughtcrimes...yet. But once we do, an Orwellian nightmare will quickly ensue, I'm sure.

We haven't developed sufficiently accurate Moderation tools for patrolling thoughtcrimes...yet. But once we do, an Orwellian nightmare will quickly ensue, I'm sure.

oh how we long for that day, hot. it cannot come too soon.

We haven't developed sufficiently accurate Moderation tools for patrolling thoughtcrimes...yet. But once we do, an Orwellian nightmare will quickly ensue, I'm sure.Yay! =D

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Sigged. :D

I'm not sure he does anything on these forums, I'd be surprised if he'd looked at them over the last year - probably too busy driving around rural towns looking for lone Aborigines to beat up with his MaxWhite Gang.

My understanding is that he makes such excursions whilst wearing womens clothing.

Which would make him a Drag Racist.

My understanding is that he makes such excursions whilst wearing womens clothing.

Which would make him a Drag Racist.

I am so glad I was not drinking anything while I read that. I literally lol'd.

My understanding is that he makes such excursions whilst wearing womens clothing.

Which would make him a Drag Racist.
With high heels to make himself look taller? :confused:

The ironic thing is, aside from the excellent reasons given for why perceived racist views should be allowed, Max Barry is indeed an enormous racist.

His essay on A Solution for Aborigines, cheap mining labour for Australia, is a disgrace.
<3

My understanding is that he makes such excursions whilst wearing womens clothing.

Which would make him a Drag Racist.

Mask the shame with humour why don't you.

ConspiRacists the lot of you.

OK lets debate racism. Do you think black people are sub human vermin? yes or no?


I believe some black people are sub-human scum, just as some white folks are sub-human scum, as some chinese folks are, south american , in fact, in every population type on the planet you will find sub human scum.:(
But on the plus side in every population you will find warm generous kind hearted friendly human beings who are a credit to their race*:)

El-presidente Boris

*except the white house:upyours:

I am so glad I was not drinking anything while I read that. I literally lol'd.

The funniest thought I had was that he's the guy #@%$ing the picnic table...while beating up black people. And Jews.

Also, this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/RhynoD/untitled-2.jpg).

I believe some black people are sub-human scum, just as some white folks are sub-human scum, as some chinese folks are, south american , in fact, in every population type on the planet you will find sub human scum.:(
But on the plus side in every population you will find warm generous kind hearted friendly human beings who are a credit to their race*:)

El-presidente Boris

*except the white house:upyours:

I believe all people are sub-human scum. Except Colbert.
ALL HAIL COLBERT!

LOL yay for censorship! Not.

We haven't developed sufficiently accurate Moderation tools for patrolling thoughtcrimes...yet. But once we do, an Orwellian nightmare will quickly ensue, I'm sure.

The NationStates moderation staff would like to remind everyone that thoughtcrime doesn't result in death; thoughtcrime is death. :p

Lol, it works perfectly, doesn't it?

My understanding is that he makes such excursions whilst wearing womens clothing.

Which would make him a Drag Racist.

Quality. (I think my giggling has woken my roommates...)

Because the Emperor of Void Templar (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/SKAKIXIK/1167101736351.jpg) says so.

max Barry Is A Nazi

And you have a third grade education!

Racism is not really allowed nor is it against the rules. It is in the middle. It is neither extreme. You can't have extremely racists slanderous posts but you can make stupid questions that might be considered racist.You can't flame someone with racism but you can argue in a discussion from your point of veiw, even if you are a disgusting anti-semetic, white supremist, neo nazi.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

Allowed =/= agreed. It's that simple

:::wanders off to commit thoughtcrimes re Hod Rodian Drag Racists...::::

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

I have no idea what 'racisim' is.

The ironic thing is, aside from the excellent reasons given for why perceived racist views should be allowed, Max Barry is indeed an enormous racist.

His essay on A Solution for Aborigines, cheap mining labour for Australia, is a disgrace.

thread win

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

Does it take practice to be this dumb?

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This post has not been deleted by the racist authorities of Max Barry.

Nice.

I have a new respect for you: you've shown you have more of a sense of humor than I thought you had.

Nice.

I have a new respect for you: you've shown you have more of a sense of humor than I thought you had.

I have to agree. Andaras has shown a lot of maturity since last time.

I mean, I still think he's completely wrong on quite a lot of things, but he's not just repeating the same old things over and over again.

A welcome change.

Is Vaklavia a chipmunk?
If not, then why has he never posted a picture proving it?

Is Vaklavia a chipmunk?
If not, then why has he never posted a picture proving it?

http://www.2flashgames.com/2fgkjn134kjlh1cfn81vc34/flash/f-Chipmunk-Biker-3259.jpg

How would we know that wasn't him?

http://www.2flashgames.com/2fgkjn134kjlh1cfn81vc34/flash/f-Chipmunk-Biker-3259.jpg

How would we know that wasn't him?

Because that chipmunk has style.

not lying, NSG is dead

Because it is fun to make fun with racists, and I do not want to get into a fist fight with a bunch of skinheads because I do not want to get convicted of manslaughter by releasing my Vikings upon them.:p

Because that chipmunk has style.

Well, of course. Most chipmunks do, although the few exceptions tend to get a lot more publicity.

Allowed =/= agreed. It's that simple

:::wanders off to commit thoughtcrimes re Hod Rodian Drag Racists...::::

I'm totally working HotRodian Drag Racists into a roleplay at some point.

I'm totally working HotRodian Drag Racists into a roleplay at some point.

What kind...?

What kind...?

Do you really want to know?

Do you really want to know?

Yes actually.

1. Knowledge
2. Something Humiliating
3. ???
4. Profit!

Ah, well, carry on then.

Rascism is not aganst the rules here because you can't ban thought... Obviously.

I'm totally working HotRodian Drag Racists into a roleplay at some point.

I totally tried but I couldn't get it right so I opted for conspiracists, which is a lesson learned that some things are better left alone.

I'd started with Hotmodding, couldn't make that work, remembered your name, just couldn't find a good way of incorporating it.

Ah well, at least the truth is out - I hope Max can live with himself.

I totally tried but I couldn't get it right so I opted for conspiracists, which is a lesson learned that some things are better left alone.

I'd started with Hotmodding, couldn't make that work, remembered your name, just couldn't find a good way of incorporating it.

Ah well, at least the truth is out - I hope Max can live with himself.

i guess this is why we are lowly posters and they are mods. wit must be one of the requirements.

i guess this is why we are lowly posters and they are mods. wit must be one of the requirements.

I'd imagine it's a fine line between humour and insanity to Mod this place, that and an outright racist attitude to life.

I'd imagine it's a fine line between humour and insanity to Mod this place, that and an outright racist attitude to life.

i think max takes them on aborigine bashing safaris in the outback to toughen them up

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?
That's like saying "is Bush a smoker? If not then why isn't smoking against the law in the US?"; perhaps it's not quite the same thing but the idea is the same; allowing something isn't the same as agreeing with it.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

This is a trollish statement. It is like saying Max Barry is a socialist because he does not ban socialist discourse. C'mon now.

I'd imagine it's a fine line between humour and insanity to Mod this place, that and an outright racist attitude to life.

i think max takes them on aborigine bashing safaris in the outback to toughen them up

See, y'all have wit too. Keep it up, and you may meet the wit requirement for Moderating.

See, y'all have wit too. Keep it up, and you may meet the wit requirement for Moderating.

isnt there some rule against mods threatening people like this?

OK lets debate racism. Do you think black people are sub human vermin? yes or no?

Seeing how everyone on the planet probably originated from dark skinned humans then I saw NO.

isnt there some rule against mods threatening people like this?

Can't you read? He is from TEXAS.



Don't mess with TEXAS.

Can't you read? He is from TEXAS.



Don't mess with TEXAS.

oh god

i can NOW.

Because that chipmunk has style.

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/birdland/6682/dead1.gif

This may be him....

isnt there some rule against mods threatening people like this?

Maybe, but we can make an exception for a blatant abuse of power, as usual.

Maybe, but we can make an exception for a blatant abuse of power, as usual.

lol

aye.

OK lets debate racism. Do you think black people are sub human vermin? yes or no?

Yes.

With thirty minutes to go, too! *touchdown dance*

This is a trollish statement. It is like saying Max Barry is a socialist because he does not ban socialist discourse. C'mon now.

Well he is. A dirty socialist racist, that is.

...because people have opinions.

If you ban people from having opinions, you lose the opportunity to change those opinions.

Just because opinions offend some people, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to out in the open.

Finally, there's a point where constantly calling 'racism', if you start to ban in reaction to those calls, simply goes lower and lower until you can't mention anything without being called a racist - this creates as blind a discussion in avoiding race issues as it does meeting them head on.

If someone is being pointedly racist to specifically upset one person, that is flaming, if they're doing it to get a rise out of people for their own kicks, that is trolling.

Just having offensive opinions, well offense can be different for all sorts of people.

yet countless people have been banned from this forum just for having controversial opinions so even tho your right in your point your wrong about there being free speech here

I am deeply opposed to any discrimination, but I would never ban racist opinions. I dislike hate speech laws. Take away someone's right to express their opinions, and they'll just resort to illegal means to do so. They'll also be diseminating their views quietly, out of sight, where no responce is possible. Besides, denying someone's rights only makes their cause seem more sympathetic. I bitterly regret my country's hate speech laws, as they amounts to elements of the civil rights movement undermining their own gains.

I realize this is more relating to government than forum management, but I will definately follow this principal when I get my own forum up and running. I applaud Max Barry for not banning those ignorant or stupid enough to posses racist opinions.

I would like to paraphrase a favorite quote of mine:

"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

(PS: who said that?)

(PS: who said that?)
Voltaire.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

It is against the rules.

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Thanks, Chumblywumbly. I knew it was a Frenchman, but my cousin insisted it was an American.

yet countless people have been banned from this forum just for having controversial opinions so even tho your right in your point your wrong about there being free speech here

It's not that they have controversial opinions. If just having controversial opinions was all it took to get banned, I'd have been banned a long time ago.

yet countless people have been banned from this forum just for having controversial opinions so even tho your right in your point your wrong about there being free speech here

no that ive noticed.

i have seen countless (many) people banned from this forum because they lack the ability to conduct themselves in a civil manner. at least now and then.

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

why should it be against the rules?

Because its bigoted.


And I am NOT a chipmunk. :upyours:

And I am NOT a chipmunk. :upyours:Prove it.

I have no idea what 'racisim' is.
Good point. So Max is obviously not a racist but probably more of a racisim...ist !?
Maybe even a socialist nazi drag racisimist, you never know...

If not then why is racisim not against the rules here?

You obviously didn't read Jennifer Government, where the white supremacist armies of Neo-United States of Rome obliterates Compton on the basis of the majority race ... basing their information off the movie Training Day.

Wait, this was Jennifer Government right?? :(

* Really, Jennifer Government was a great book.

yet countless people have been banned from this forum just for having controversial opinions so even tho your right in your point your wrong about there being free speech here

Name twelve. I'd say name one, but you might be able to come up with someone sufficiently obscure and forgotten that nobody can readily refute you. Besides, if it's happened to 'countless people', coming up with twelve should be easy.

Also, link to the circumstances of their expulsion.


Now, quite a lot of people have been banned for breaking the rules, which includes trolling....

Name twelve. I'd say name one, but you might be able to come up with someone sufficiently obscure and forgotten that nobody can readily refute you. Besides, if it's happened to 'countless people', coming up with twelve should be easy.

Also, link to the circumstances of their expulsion.


Now, quite a lot of people have been banned for breaking the rules, which includes trolling....
I can name 500

"trolling" which is sooo broadly defined as to constitute the suppression of radical ideas-I mean really all you have to do is say something in a manner someone doesnt like and its labelled "trolling"--I happen to know someone personally banned just for being too progressive

the bottom line is the certain people can say anything in any way and other people are labelled "trolls" as a catch-all excuse to ban certain views--kinda like getting arrested by cops for the vague charge of "disorderly conduct"

I can name 500

So it shouldn't be a problem naming 12 then should it?

Because its bigoted.


And I am NOT a chipmunk. :upyours:

Let me see if I understand. It's ok for you to ask if Max is a racist, but it's not ok to ask if you're a chipmunk.

Not only do you find it unacceptable, but you apparently find it so upsetting that you've flamed in response.

Interesting.

It's not that they have controversial opinions. If just having controversial opinions was all it took to get banned, I'd have been banned a long time ago.

but that doesnt add up since mods arent held to the same rules

but that doesnt add up since mods arent held to the same rules

So it shouldn't be a problem naming 12 then should it?
\//\ points /\\/
Name twelve. I'd say name one, but you might be able to come up with someone sufficiently obscure and forgotten that nobody can readily refute you. Besides, if it's happened to 'countless people', coming up with twelve should be easy.

Also, link to the circumstances of their expulsion.


Now, quite a lot of people have been banned for breaking the rules, which includes trolling....

but that doesnt add up since mods arent held to the same rules

You are aware that I was on this site, spouting controversial opinions, quite a long time before becoming a Mod, right?

And you're right, we aren't held to the same rules. By and large, Mods have to be even more careful than your average player when it comes to posting. We have standards for conduct above what a normal poster does. And for some inane reason, certain folks seem to expect us to never have a bad day and think that we shouldn't even be somewhat curt when someone's being a complete asshole to us.

You are aware that I was on this site, spouting controversial opinions, quite a long time before becoming a Mod, right?

And you're right, we aren't held to the same rules. By and large, Mods have to be even more careful than your average player when it comes to posting. We have standards for conduct above what a normal poster does. And for some inane reason, certain folks seem to expect us to never have a bad day and think that we shouldn't even be somewhat curt when someone's being a complete asshole to us.

Uhoh. Bad mod. Said asshole. KILL!

*starts throwing flaming curses at all the mods*

no that ive noticed.

i have seen countless (many) people banned from this forum because they lack the ability to conduct themselves in a civil manner. at least now and then.

thats just Establishment Propaganda

thats just Establishment Propaganda

Provide the example then, I'd say it would be fair to limit it to the last two years, one example in the last two years of someone being banned for having a controversial opinion alone.

You are aware that I was on this site, spouting controversial opinions, quite a long time before becoming a Mod, right?

And you're right, we aren't held to the same rules. By and large, Mods have to be even more careful than your average player when it comes to posting. We have standards for conduct above what a normal poster does. And for some inane reason, certain folks seem to expect us to never have a bad day and think that we shouldn't even be somewhat curt when someone's being a complete asshole to us.

I dont expect any such things from any poster but that still doesnt mean there hasnt been any unjust bannings and favortism

Still waiting for that list...

I dont expect any such things from any poster but that still doesnt mean there hasnt been any unjust bannings

I'm not suggesting there haven't been any unjust bannings. I'm sure there have been. But 500 seems a rather...liberal estimate.

\//\ points /\\/

are you trying to make some kind of point?

thats just Establishment Propaganda

this is april 2.

I'm not suggesting there haven't been any unjust bannings. I'm sure there have been. But 500 seems a rather...liberal estimate.
im sorry your correct its 300

so im expected to provide some kind of Kill List now

im sorry your correct its 300

I don't like that opinion. I should probably be banning you now. For trolling, right?

im sorry your correct its 300

This is madness!

are you trying to make some kind of point?

That you still haven't provided that list of 12...

To be fair, I think DCD is a reasonable example - it happened soon after I'd arrived but I think it was more to do with the fact that he'd been warned over his posting style and repeatedly broke that warning.

In a sense, he was banned for not heeding to warnings yet in terms of what he was actually doing, it was writing throwaway opinions that were offensively written.

I couldn't justly say it was a banning simply for having an offensive opinion but more for writing it in a style that was, given warnings, unacceptable.

That's mostly what I've remembered, aside from some spectacular flame-outs, people being chided for the way they write, not what they write, and repeatedly ignoring those warnings.

To be fair, I think DCD is a reasonable example - it happened soon after I'd arrived but I think it was more to do with the fact that he'd been warned over his posting style and repeatedly broke that warning.

In a sense, he was banned for not heeding to warnings yet in terms of what he was actually doing, it was writing throwaway opinions that were offensively written.

I couldn't justly say it was a banning simply for having an offensive opinion but more for writing it in a style that was, given warnings, unacceptable.

That's mostly what I've remembered, aside from some spectacular flame-outs, people being chided for the way they write, not what they write, and repeatedly ignoring those warnings.

maybe but i dont think of him as being banned for having unpopular political opinions.

I don't like that opinion. I should probably be banning you now. For trolling, right?

im sure you will

This is madness!

I come ARMED with the FACTS

im sure you will

Hehe. I like you. You're funny. :)

That you still haven't provided that list of 12...

im not a nark

Seeing how everyone on the planet probably originated from dark skinned humans then I saw NO.

Everyone on the planet also originated from sub-human vermin.

maybe but i dont think of him as being banned for having unpopular political opinions.

No, exactly, it wasn't the opinions that were banned, I've never, to be honest, seen a case where that has happened. It's simply I can see someone taking the specific example of the 'AIDS gang-banging' post - I can't remember the exact sentence - and stating that this was simply an opinion and is therefore an example of someone being banned for an opinion.

Yet that wasn't actually the case.

To be fair, I think DCD is a reasonable example - it happened soon after I'd arrived but I think it was more to do with the fact that he'd been warned over his posting style and repeatedly broke that warning.

In a sense, he was banned for not heeding to warnings yet in terms of what he was actually doing, it was writing throwaway opinions that were offensively written.

I couldn't justly say it was a banning simply for having an offensive opinion but more for writing it in a style that was, given warnings, unacceptable.

That's mostly what I've remembered, aside from some spectacular flame-outs, people being chided for the way they write, not what they write, and repeatedly ignoring those warnings.
thats just IT for some people their writing styles are their very persona and asking them not to do it is asking them to annihilate themselves

You are aware that I was on this site, spouting controversial opinions, quite a long time before becoming a Mod, right?

In his younger days, HotRodia was a rebellious and charismatic non-conformist. Despite his political views, the Party soon realized that his quick-thinking and persistence would be beneficial to them. There was at first suffering, but after a brief stay at the Ministry of Love it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Max Barry.

Hehe. I like you. You're funny. :)

but youll still kill me

im not a nark

If they've already been banned then you're hardly narcing.
All this means to me is that you are full of shit and don't have any people you can name, let alone 300.

thats just IT for some people their writing styles are their very persona and asking them not to do it is asking them to annihilate themselves

Then they should go away, and wait until they've grown up before they come back.

thats just IT for some people their writing styles are their very persona and asking them not to do it is asking them to annihilate themselves
:rolleyes: It's not difficult to play nice.

In his younger days, HotRodia was a rebellious and charismatic non-conformist. Despite his political views, the Party soon realized that his quick-thinking and persistence would be beneficial to them. There was at first suffering, but after a brief stay at the Ministry of Love it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Max Barry.

yes he was but he sold out to the oligarchy

If they've already been banned then you're hardly narcing.
All this means to me is that you are full of shit and don't have any people you can name, let alone 300.

i can too and i have my standards that im not gonna violate for someone whose just trying to entrap me

thats just IT for some people their writing styles are their very persona and asking them not to do it is asking them to annihilate themselves

no thats not it.

thats being banned for being an obnoxious prick who doesnt know how to make a civil post.

they can always go elsewhere with their personality problems.

Then they should go away, and wait until they've grown up before they come back.

thats no guarantee the people here will be anymore grown up upon their return

If they've already been banned then you're hardly narcing.
All this means to me is that you are full of shit and don't have any people you can name, let alone 300.

"I have here in my hand a list of 300 . . . a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the banned and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department. ..."

i can too and i have my standards that im not gonna violate for someone whose just trying to entrap me

:rolleyes:

You certainly have one hell of a persecution complex going on there.

:rolleyes: It's not difficult to play nice.

i play accorden to how im being played with--im very nice to those who know me

thats no guarantee the people here will be anymore grown up upon their return

Its the ones who can't manage to be polite that need to grow up, i.e. your list of 300 imaginary friends.

i play accorden to how im being played with--im very nice to those who know me

I think I shall "sig" that, as the kids say these days.

In his younger days, HotRodia was a rebellious and charismatic non-conformist. Despite his political views, the Party soon realized that his quick-thinking and persistence would be beneficial to them. There was at first suffering, but after a brief stay at the Ministry of Love it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Max Barry.

That was awesome. :D

but youll still kill me

Wow, I'm growing more powerful by the moment. Today, banning people from online forums, tomorrow, killing!

yes he was but he sold out to the oligarchy

They offered me banana bread. How am I supposed to resist that level of temptation, I ask you?

no thats not it.

thats being banned for being an obnoxious prick who doesnt know how to make a civil post.

they can always go elsewhere with their personality problems.

this post must be a good example of this "civility" you seem so unnaturally obssesed with

"I have here in my hand a list of 300 . . . a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the banned and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department. ..."

you are on one hell of a roll tonight.

*applause*

:rolleyes:

You certainly have one hell of a persecution complex going on there.

its not a complex if its true

Wow, I'm growing more powerful by the moment. Today, banning people from online forums, tomorrow, killing!

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff315/Sarothai/Smileys/Smiley-Guillotine.gif

They offered me banana bread. How am I supposed to resist that level of temptation, I ask you?

You should have held out for the tacos. *nods*
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff315/Sarothai/Smileys/pie.gif

you are on one hell of a roll tonight.

*applause*

Time to quit while I'm ahead.

Its the ones who can't manage to be polite that need to grow up, i.e. your list of 300 imaginary friends.

im always polite but i see no reason to betray anyone

this post must be a good example of this "civility" you seem so unnaturally obssesed with

its not uncivil to call a hypothetical person an obnoxious prick

its not uncivil to call a hypothetical person an obnoxious prick

but it is uncivil to call a person hypothetical to their face

At some point a parody of The Little List from The Mikado needs to be done.

but it is uncivil to call a person hypothetical to their face

:confused:

That was awesome. :D



Wow, I'm growing more powerful by the moment. Today, banning people from online forums, tomorrow, killing!



They offered me banana bread. How am I supposed to resist that level of temptation, I ask you?

but did you have to forget everything that made you rebellious in the first place?

but it is uncivil to call a person hypothetical to their face

well ya got me there.

Because when you get a bunch of people roleplaying nations, There differents points of view are bound to be stated. Destroying our ability to express these views would destroy Nationstates, If you dont like it dont come to the forums.

:confused:

IM NOT A HYPOTHEITICAL IM A HUMAN BEING!!!

well ya got me there.
if this is civility i like it:)

IM NOT A HYPOTHEITICAL IM A HUMAN BEING!!!

dcd is that you??

IM NOT A HYPOTHEITICAL IM A HUMAN BEING!!!

Hypothetically..._____;)

I come ARMED with the FACTS

Bzzzt! Not the pop culture reference I wanted, sorry.

yes he was but he sold out to the oligarchy

You're doing it wrong.

Wow, I'm growing more powerful by the moment. Today, banning people from online forums, tomorrow, killing!

And once the centipedes cross the parabola of shadows, who then can stop HotRodia from slicing the Wonder Bread of Truth?

They offered me banana bread. How am I supposed to resist that level of temptation, I ask you?

Shall I call you Judas? For you have betrayed the people in return for, not the thirty pieces of silver, but for Banana Bread!

Also:

http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/1/13/136/e00d4c977c903529986703eddd6431.png

http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/b/be/be1/035be2bb2269f1202861a7cd2bb0a1.png

Because when you get a bunch of people roleplaying nations, There differents points of view are bound to be stated. Destroying our ability to express these views would destroy Nationstates, If you dont like it dont come to the forums.

thank you for that statement--my only Hope is that it can find its way to a thread where it in some way comes close to being related to the topic being discussed

but did you have to forget everything that made you rebellious in the first place?

I haven't. I had no qualms about challenging a Mod ruling before I was a Mod, and I certainly have no qualms about challenging one now. After all, it's even easier now.

You're doing it wrong.

prly but im DOIN it is the more relevant point

prly but im DOIN it is the more relevant point

Sex jokes are like so 2003.

And once the centipedes cross the parabola of shadows, who then can stop HotRodia from slicing the Wonder Bread of Truth?

Shall I call you Judas? For you have betrayed the people in return for, not the thirty pieces of silver, but for Banana Bread!

Also:

http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/1/13/136/e00d4c977c903529986703eddd6431.png

http://images.wikia.com/wikitex/images/b/be/be1/035be2bb2269f1202861a7cd2bb0a1.png

See, this is the sort of cool wackiness we need more of around here.

I haven't. I had no qualms about challenging a Mod ruling before I was a Mod, and I certainly have no qualms about challenging one now. After all, it's even easier now.

can you explain the "fairness" of lifetime bannings with no chance of redemption

Sex jokes are like so 2003.

it wasnt a sex joke but ironically i just had a sexual thought

thats just IT for some people their writing styles are their very persona and asking them not to do it is asking them to annihilate themselves

I don't really disagree and to my very first post, where banning things leads down a spiral of making people so civil, so uncontroversial that things become boring is valid in a different way.

To be totally honest, where Hotrodia says Mods have to be even more civil, well I disagree - on some of the complaints in Moderation I wouldn't mind seeing less understanding responses from the Mods and more 'grow the fuck up' - Moderation thread closed.

There's a line between being offensive, which as you say is the style of some people, and being offensive on purpose to irritate someone though.

I'd say, with multiple Mods, the disparity in decisions is a reflection of the very styles you state are part of people's personality, but people are different, with different standards of offense.

I still don't think anyone has been banned recently for simply having an offensive view, it's nearly always the way it's expressed.

All to say, perceived, if not outright, racist views are tolerated, which is not to say that Max Barry is not an outright racist himself.

He is.

can you explain the "fairness" of lifetime bannings with no chance of redemption

It would help me if you could first explain why someone who has become so pathologically invested in an online political simulation game that they launch a campaign of harassment against other players and Mods should be allowed to hang around. Because those are generally the sorts of players who get permabans.

A few get permabanned just because they insist on breaking the same rules over and over and over. But those are less common.

It would help me if you could first explain why someone who has become so pathologically invested in an online political simulation game that they launch a campaign of harassment against other players...

Yes, why do people become Mods?

:)

Yes, why do people become Mods?

:)

Two minutes? I was expecting that to be said within 30 seconds at most.

Two minutes? I was expecting that to be said within 30 seconds at most.

I'm a slow typer, quit oppressing me.

I'm a slow typer, quit oppressing me.

Ok, but only because of favoritism.

Ok, but only because of favoritism.

*sends more banana bread*

Day-um this is getting expensive.

It would help me if you could first explain why someone who has become so pathologically invested in an online political simulation game that they launch a campaign of harassment against other players and Mods should be allowed to hang around. Because those are generally the sorts of players who get permabans.

A few get permabanned just because they insist on breaking the same rules over and over and over. But those are less common.

so your saying everyone who was perma-banned has waged a campaign of harassment against players and mods?
I think those people are the less common examples of perma-bans and the more common examples of perma-bans is for people re-violating the same vague and ever changing and highly selectively enforced rules over and over

I don't really disagree and to my very first post, where banning things leads down a spiral of making people so civil, so uncontroversial that things become boring is valid in a different way.

To be totally honest, where Hotrodia says Mods have to be even more civil, well I disagree - on some of the complaints in Moderation I wouldn't mind seeing less understanding responses from the Mods and more 'grow the fuck up' - Moderation thread closed.

There's a line between being offensive, which as you say is the style of some people, and being offensive on purpose to irritate someone though.

I'd say, with multiple Mods, the disparity in decisions is a reflection of the very styles you state are part of people's personality, but people are different, with different standards of offense.

I still don't think anyone has been banned recently for simply having an offensive view, it's nearly always the way it's expressed.

All to say, perceived, if not outright, racist views are tolerated, which is not to say that Max Barry is not an outright racist himself.

He is.
this post is 100% correct and my position alla way

dcd is that you??

sorry no:(

but Hotrodia knows who i am

so your saying everyone who was perma-banned has waged a campaign of harassment against players and mods?
I think those people are the less common examples of perma-bans and the more common examples of perma-bans is for people re-violating the same vague and ever changing and highly selectively enforced rules over and over

Those are the least common examples? 'K. I may be willing to accept that premise if you provide specific examples of permabannings.

Y'know, any time you're ready.

this post is 100% correct and my position alla way

Allah!? Oh just fucking great. That's all we need, another Mexican ruining our social securities with his bourgeois Jew conspiracies.

Allah!? Oh just fucking great. That's all we need, another Mexican ruining our social securities with his bourgeois Jew conspiracies.

I bet he's black and therefore jobless, too!

I bet he's black and therefore jobless, too!

What's the difference between a black person and a park bench?

Park benches are made of wood!


....what?

Those are the least common examples? 'K. I may be willing to accept that premise if you provide specific examples of permabannings.

Y'know, any time you're ready.
this is an obvious trap

look if you and Hotrodia wanna ban me just do it already--go ahead PULL THETRIGGER--PULL IT!!!

What's the difference between a black person and a park bench?

Park benches are made of wood!


....what?
What are you implying, that black people are not made of wood?

possum stew anyone ?

possum stew anyone ?

*takes a bowl*

we ran outta Gruel;)

Yes, why do people become Mods?

:)

For the drinking and the hotties, of course.

Could it be that Marcus is Max Barry? Trying to get a rise out of all of us?

Or not. Probably more likely...

*shares banana bread, goulash, and caviar* -- It's a winning combination!

The Mods are all biased towards bourgeois ideologies.

Yes, why do people become Mods?

:)

Avatars?

The Mods are all biased towards bourgeois ideologies.

Where do you get this crap? You just pull it out of thin air, I suppose?

You don't know me. I don't know you. Don't presume to make generalizations about our ideologies.

Where do you get this crap? You just pull it out of thin air, I suppose?

You don't know me. I don't know you. Don't presume to make generalizations about our ideologies.

*ruffles Frisbee's hair*

You're alright mate, don't take it so hard.

Capitalist swine!

The Mods are all biased towards bourgeois ideologies.

:rolleyes:

And why racism should be banned? People are free to say whatever the fuck want. To add to that, racists provide us with a lot of fun with their illogical arguments so they are more than welcome in my opinion ;)