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General seems to like to nit pick and select verses and concepts from the Bible and attack them, without having a fundamental understanding of Christianity itself. All of this women's rights argument and stuff is irrelevent in the bigger picture of Christianity, all that matters is that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and have an active and personal relationship with him (forgivness of sins etc. prayer). Intepreting minor verses has little or no major impact on eternal salvation.

1. We seem to have several other threads (on the first page no less) about this already.

2. This really is just a back lash for those who take Quran's quote out of context.

General seems to like to nit pick and select verses and concepts from the Bible and attack them, without having a fundamental understanding of Christianity itself. All of this women's rights argument and stuff is irrelevent in the bigger picture of Christianity, all that matters is that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and have an active and personal relationship with him (forgivness of sins etc. prayer). Intepreting minor verses has little or no major impact on eternal salvation.

But it´s fun to argue and try to interpret a book that, after 2,000+ years still has importance. Many here understand the main point of Christianity. The arguing and the interpreting is from a scholastic point of view and there´s nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

General seems to like to nit pick and select verses and concepts from the Bible and attack them,

Because there's people here who disapprove of bigotry

without having a fundamental understanding of Christianity itself.

Fail

All of this women's rights argument and stuff is irrelevent

misogynist ;)

in the bigger picture of Christianity, all that matters is that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and have an active and personal relationship with him (forgivness of sins etc. prayer). Intepreting minor verses has little or no major impact on eternal salvation.

Many christians would disagree with you on that.

Many christians would disagree with you on that.
Let another Christian decide that.

Let another Christian decide that.

Ah, you are one of those...

Let another Christian decide that.

That´s a little biased of you. Why just another Christian? We all have something to say.

Because there's people here who disapprove of bigotry
So does being a Christian make me a bigot?

So does being a Christian make me a bigot?

Not automatically, no. There are however, parts of the bible that promote bigotry.

That´s a little biased of you. Why just another Christian? We all have something to say.

Because only a christian can understand christianity. :rolleyes:

That´s a little biased of you. Why just another Christian? We all have something to say.
Excuse me, I did not mean to question Dyakovo's all knowing mind, but I think a Christian's personal beliefs on issues I have mention are more relevent that a non-christians views on said issue. But please do say something if you want.

Because only a christian can understand christianity. :rolleyes:No, but a Christian best understands Christianity.

Excuse me, I did not mean to question Dyakovo's all knowing mind, but I think a Christian's personal beliefs on issues I have mention are more relevent that a non-christians views on said issue. But please do say something if you want.

When did I or Nanatsu ever claim that I was all-knowing?

Not automatically, no. There are however, parts of the bible that promote bigotry.The vast majority of those being in the Old Testament.

No, but a Christian best understands Christianity.

Not in my experience

That´s a little biased of you. Why just another Christian? We all have something to say.

No way. We Americans all have to live under Christian laws, but only Christians may comment on it's interpretations.

When did I or Nanatsu ever claim that I was all-knowing?You never did but you seem to be an expert in your own mind on Christianity.

The vast majority of those being in the Old Testament.

Yeah after which god magically changed both his mind and demeanor, amazing how he can change things all of the sudden

Must have realized the path he was going down was not a good one to take

No way. We Americans all have to live under Christian laws, but only Christians may comment on it's interpretations.I agree, abortion is very Christian. America is not a theocracy and I hope it never becomes such.

No, but a Christian best understands Christianity.
Allow me to point this out \/
Ah, you are one of those...


So basically, what you're saying is that unless you believe in Jesus, you can't possibly understand christianity?

Not even if, say the non-believer has been studying said religion for 20+ years?

The vast majority of those being in the Old Testament.

And quite a few in the NT also...

Yeah after which god magically changed both his mind and demeanor, amazing how he can change things all of the sudden

Must have realized the path he was going down was not a good one to takeMagically? No. Jesus Christ changed the demeanor and make up of Christianity with his resurrection.

I agree, abortion is very Christian. America is not a theocracy and I hope it never becomes such.

Yet we still live under Christian inspired laws ... as such until it stops being used for justification for interference in my life it will be commented on as much or as little as I feel necessary

Yet we still live under Christian inspired laws ... as such until it stops being used for justification for interference in my life it will be commented on as much or as little as I feel necessaryBecuase the majority of America is Christian and ties those moral values with their politics. Call it theocracy if you want.

Magically? No. Jesus Christ changed the demeanor and make up of Christianity with his resurrection.
Not just the demeanor of Christianity but also of the portrayed god. Still seems weird for an all knowing god to change lanes mid way through rather then doing it the right way from the start

General seems to like to nit pick and select verses and concepts from the Bible and attack them, without having a fundamental understanding of Christianity itself. All of this women's rights argument and stuff is irrelevent in the bigger picture of Christianity, all that matters is that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and have an active and personal relationship with him (forgivness of sins etc. prayer). Intepreting minor verses has little or no major impact on eternal salvation.

keep in mind that you dont win based on getting your opponents to concede your (very reasonable) point but by convincing your audience that you are making the better argument.

your opponents will never (openly) agree with you. but if you make your case the reasonable participants will recognize it.

and... good point.

I agree, abortion is very Christian. America is not a theocracy and I hope it never becomes such.Until recently, Christianity had no problem with it. Mysteriously, not until it became safe.

And if you don't think it's halfway to a theocracy, come to Oklahoma.

I can't help but notice a lot of Christians pick and choose what verses of the Bible they believe in. Like they all have their own particular canonicity they go by when it comes to faith.

Excuse me, I did not mean to question Dyakovo's all knowing mind, but I think a Christian's personal beliefs on issues I have mention are more relevent that a non-christians views on said issue. But please do say something if you want.

In questioning Dyakovo you´re questioning all those of us who do not share in Christianity´s views. I was a Catholic until quite recently, perhaps 6 or 7 years ago. I completely understand that the message of Christianity isn´t encompassed in a few verses of the Bible. Christ preached to love one another, to be good people in general. I don´t think that´s being questioned. What I like about these religion threads is that I have the opportunity to discuss with other people, of different denominations, obscure passages, possible interpretations and overall nonsense. So no, I don´t think this should be let for Christians only to decide.

Becuase the majority of America is Christian and ties those moral values with their politics. Call it theocracy if you want.

I did not call it a theocracy (though I sometimes do see the tendency) It does not have to be a theocracy in order for the religion to have a negative impact on my life though

Allow me to point this out \/



So basically, what you're saying is that unless you believe in Jesus, you can't possibly understand christianity?

Not even if, say the non-believer has been studying said religion for 20+ years?I'm saying that I, as a firm beleiver for 20 years has a greater grasp and different perspective on Christianity as you do. I have no doubt that you understand parts of Christianity very well, likely more than I do, but I feel I also understand parts of it better than you do, such as the topic we are discussing now.

In questioning Dyakovo you´re questioning all those of us who do not share in Christianity´s views. I was a Catholic until quite recently, perhaps 6 or 7 years ago. I completely understand that the message of Christianity isn´t encompassed in a few verses of the Bible. Christ preached to love one another, to be good people in general. I don´t think that´s being questioned. What I like about these religion threads is that I have the opportunity to discuss with other people, of different denominations, obscure passages, possible interpretations and overall nonsense. So no, I don´t think this should be let for Christians only to decide.

Heretic!
You shall burn!
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Becuase the majority of America is Christian and ties those moral values with their politics. Call it theocracy if you want.Okay.
Theocracy.

Until recently, Christianity had no problem with it. Mysteriously, not until it became safe.

And if you don't think it's halfway to a theocracy, come to Oklahoma.I live in South Carolina, I beleive that is comprable.

Okay.
Theocracy.Call it a theocracy when Billy Graham is appointed president and you all have to attend church on sundays and wednesdays and the only law is the bible.

I'm saying that I, as a firm beleiver for 20 years has a greater grasp and different perspective on Christianity as you do. I have no doubt that you understand parts of Christianity very well, likely more than I do, but I feel I also understand parts of it better than you do, such as the topic we are discussing now.
Probably since your topic seems to be:Let another Christian decide that.

Basically you're full of shit. You know better than me what parts of the bible you choose to follow, that is the only thing that you can be certain of.

I can't help but notice a lot of Christians pick and choose what verses of the Bible they believe in. Like they all have their own particular canonicity they go by when it comes to faith.

the bible is not god.

yeah different denominations and different christians emphasize different passages. that reflects their personalities, their different social settings, their different upbringings, and their different ways of relating to god.

Basically you're full of shit. You know better than me what parts of the bible you choose to follow, that is the only thing that you can be certain of.How kind of you. I will admit that Christianity today is not what it has been and that it has been twisted and skewed over time. However Christ's love and salvation has remained constant. I know not what to be certain of other than this.

the bible is not god.

yeah different denominations and different christians emphasize different passages. that reflects their personalities, their different social settings, their different upbringings, and their different ways of relating to god.
Well said

I live in South Carolina, I beleive that is comprable.Very much so. I used to live in Rock Hill. Still have Blue Laws?

Very much so. I used to live in Rock Hill. Still have Blue Laws?Linthead! Yes the Blue Laws are still around, but it doesn't really bother me much. Just buy your beer on saturday:p

the bible is not god.

yeah different denominations and different christians emphasize different passages. that reflects their personalities, their different social settings, their different upbringings, and their different ways of relating to god.

It's not just emphasizing, it's outright ignoring that which they want to forget. Let's take the ever popular Leviticus. The chapters on stoning fags to death is almost universally applied. The chapters on properly sacrificing a bull every Sunday are universally ignored. Apparently killing queers is fine, cows aren't.

How kind of you. I will admit that Christianity today is not what it has been and that it has been twisted and skewed over time. However Christ's love and salvation has remained constant. I know not what to be certain of other than this.

Don't immediately assume that because you are a christian that you know more about christianity in general than an atheist possibly could, I am perfectly willing to admit that are areas where my knowledge of christianity is lacking and it is quite possible that you do know more than I about christianity in general.

It's not just emphasizing, it's outright ignoring that which they want to forget. Let's take the ever popular Leviticus. The chapters on stoning fags to death is almost universally applied. The chapters on properly sacrificing a bull every Sunday are universally ignored. Apparently killing queers is fine, cows aren't.
The sacraficing of animals to God was a necessary part of the second covenant. Christ's death and resurrection voided this need.

the bible is not god.

yeah different denominations and different christians emphasize different passages. that reflects their personalities, their different social settings, their different upbringings, and their different ways of relating to god.

Though it is the most widely available source for the word of god.

Don't immediately assume that because you are a christian that you know more about christianity in general than an atheist possibly could, I am perfectly willing to admit that are areas where my knowledge of christianity is lacking and it is quite possible that you do know more than I about christianity in general.I know this and have already admitted it. You are very correct and seem to be well versed in Christianity. Did you study it in college or as just a "hobby"?

Though it is the only source for the word of god.

Em... I have to disagree with you there, Dy, you also have some of the Apocrypha that still exists, like the Book of Enoch, and it also has some insight on the so called ¨word of God¨. Let me get the other titles of the rest because I can´t remember them at the top of my head at the moment.

It's not just emphasizing, it's outright ignoring that which they want to forget. Let's take the ever popular Leviticus. The chapters on stoning fags to death is almost universally applied. The chapters on properly sacrificing a bull every Sunday are universally ignored. Apparently killing queers is fine, cows aren't.

Oh, but that's not ignoring, its just not following or acknowledging those rules, there's a huge difference. :rolleyes:

Em... I have to disagree with you there, Dy, you also have some of the Apocrypha that still exists, like the Book of Enoch, and it also has some insight on the so called ¨word of God¨. Let me get the other titles of the rest because I can´t remember them at the top of my head at the moment.Right. The early and lost Catholic church wiped out most of the other rival sects. Which leads me back to my point, why concentrate on the nitty gritty nit picky facts when one thing is clear and certain? Christ.

I know this and have already admitted it. You are very correct and seem to be well versed in Christianity. Did you study it in college or as just a "hobby"?
As a hobby... 'know thine enemy' ;)
Em... I have to disagree with you there, Dy, you also have some of the Apocrypha that still exists, like the Book of Enoch, and it also has some insight on the so called ¨word of God¨. Let me get the other titles of the rest because I can´t remember them at the top of my head at the moment.
Something I was not aware of, thank you Nanatsu.


Edit: also my apologies for the tone of my post, it irritates the crap out of me when I get told that I couldn't possibly understand christianity because I am not christian.

Linthead! Yes the Blue Laws are still around, but it doesn't really bother me much. Just buy your beer on saturday:pWhy can't you buy beer on Sunday? No Christian influence there, I suppose. And I can't buy a car on Sunday, here. :rolleyes:

The sacraficing of animals to God was a necessary part of the second covenant. Christ's death and resurrection voided this need.

Really? Did Jesus not tell his followers he did not come to change the old laws?

As a hobby... 'know thine enemy' ;)
Ah. You know most Christians are average folk who don't throw fire hell and damnation at nonbeleivers, nor do we bomb abortion clinics or hate on gays.

Really? Did Jesus not tell his followers he did not come to change the old laws?
"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
— Hebrews 9:24-2

Ah. You know most Christians are average folk who don't throw fire hell and damnation at nonbeleivers, nor do we bomb abortion clinics or hate on gays.

Yes, the 'know thine enemy' was a joke, thus the ;).
I have no problem with most christians, I only have a problem with the ones that choose to follow the bigotted rules that are in the bible.

Right. The early and lost Catholic church wiped out most of the other rival sects. Which leads me back to my point, why concentrate on the nitty gritty nit picky facts when one thing is clear and certain? Christ.

I can only answer you in my case. I´m a scholar and discussing the Bible, discussing Christianity in general is something I enjoy. I´m an agnostic, as I have said in many occasions. I do recognize there´s Something or Someone out there. I do not negate the existence of God. But from a scholastics point of view, ¨nitty gritty nit picking¨, to use your phrase, the Bible, or any other sacred text for that matter, is interesting.

Sorry,folks. But I just get tired of obey someone else's mral strictures based on their religion, one I don't share. How'd all the christians like being forbidden to eat pork?

And I can't buy a car on Sunday, here. :rolleyes:Where would you need to go on Sunday other than church woman?;)

It's not just emphasizing, it's outright ignoring that which they want to forget. Let's take the ever popular Leviticus. The chapters on stoning fags to death is almost universally applied. The chapters on properly sacrificing a bull every Sunday are universally ignored. Apparently killing queers is fine, cows aren't.

that is a point of personality.

st paul way back when convinced the rest of the christian bigwigs that the old testament is part of the old covenant and may be ignored. this has been a point of chrisianity ever since.

so why do certain christians drag out leviticus? because they are homophobes who are using the bible to press their personal opinion. just because they are christians doesnt mean they cant be assholes too.

As a hobby... 'know thine enemy' ;)

Something I was not aware of, thank you Nanatsu.


Edit: also my apologies for the tone of my post, it irritates the crap out of me when I get told that I couldn't possibly understand christianity because I am not christian.

You´re welcome, Dy. Here´s a link that names a few of the Apocrypha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha

Edit: also my apologies for the tone of my post, it irritates the crap out of me when I get told that I couldn't possibly understand christianity because I am not christian.I never sad that at all.

Sorry,folks. But I just get tired of obey someone else's mral strictures based on their religion, one I don't share. How'd all the christians like being forbidden to eat pork?Nothing that the lord has made is unclean.

that is a point of personality.

st paul way back when convinced the rest of the christian bigwigs that the old testament is part of the old covenant and may be ignored. this has been a point of chrisianity ever since.

so why do certain christians drag out leviticus? because they are homophobes who are using the bible to press their personal opinion. just because they are christians doesnt mean they cant be assholes too.

But how do non-christians dare attack christianity in general for containing those rules, right Ash?

I never sad that at all.

I'm exagerating your statement, I have been told elsewhere exactly what you're responding to though.

As I said, my apologies.

Where would you need to go on Sunday other than church woman?;)THE LIQUOR STORE!!! One day, I hope.

I'm exagerating your statement, I have been told elsewhere exactly what you're responding to though.

As I said, my apologies.There is no need for you to apologize, you were merely arguing your case.

THE LIQUOR STORE!!! One day, I hope.

Why would you want to do that?
:D

But how do non-christians dare attack christianity in general for containing those rules, right Ash?

its fine to attack those denominations that contain those rules, dyak. its NOT ok to attack those denominations that do not contain those rules.

THE LIQUOR STORE!!! One day, I hope.But shouldn't you be hungover from an OSUck game or something?

There is no need for you to apologize, you were merely arguing your case.

Actually, I think there is, not for the arguments I was making, but for the tone, you have since shown that I was overreacting.

Actually, I think there is, not for the arguments I was making, but for the tone, you have since shown that I was overreacting.Well then apology accepted, and I hope I did not come across harshly and beg for your forgiveness if I have.

its fine to attack those denominations that contain those rules, dyak. its NOT ok to attack those denominations that do not contain those rules.

So since christianity in general contains those rules, it is ok to attack christianity in general for those rules.
:D
I win! ;)
*gives self a cookie*
j/k

Well then apology accepted, and I hope I did not come across harshly and beg for your forgiveness if I have.

Amen...

Well then apology accepted, and I hope I did not come across harshly and beg for your forgiveness if I have.

You did at first, just as did I. How about we call it a draw and get on to disagreeing?

You did at first, just as did I. How about we call it a draw and get on to disagreeing?Sounds like a plan. First lets find something to agree on...like sports:p

Nothing that the lord has made is unclean.
Quit being obtuse and answer the question. Jews and Muslims think it's unclean- you want to live by their rules?

Quit being obtuse and answer the question. Jews and Muslims think it's unclean- you want to live by their rules?
No...

But shouldn't you be hungover from an OSUck game or something?My home team is the UT Longhorns.:p

My home team is the UT Longhorns.:pOh dear, Boomer Sooner!

Oh dear, Boomer Sooner!LOL
I'm a Texan,lived in SC and CA growing up, got married and moved to FL and got divorced and moved to OK.

So since christianity in general contains those rules, it is ok to attack christianity in general for those rules.
:D
I win! ;)
*gives self a cookie*
j/k

as long as you dont go after the christians and christian denominations that are not in that general category, its fine to diss those that do.

LOL
I'm a Texan,lived in SC and CA growing up, got married and moved to FL and got divorced and moved to OK.

Some sort of punishment deal in the divorce?

Quit being obtuse and answer the question. Jews and Muslims think it's unclean- you want to live by their rules?

hasnt he said that he does not support enforcing religious rules with force of law?

Some sort of punishment deal in the divorce?Ha!
Taking care of my sick Mom. Btw, she, a native Okie, says kiss her butt.:D

hasnt he said that he does not support enforcing religious rules with force of law?

He seems not to have a problem with Blue Laws.

He seems not to have a problem with Blue Laws.

he may have meant that personally not as matter of legal principle.

lets ask him....


Midlauthia do you think that its OK to have blue laws as matter of legal principle?

he may have meant that personally not as matter of legal principle.

lets ask him....


Midlauthia do you think that its OK to have blue laws as matter of legal principle?While I use the fairly innocuous blue laws as an example, there are a lot or religiously based laws that really bother me. Like the ones that say gays can't adopt (here in Oklahoma) or marry (most states).
And I just love the arguement of how that is so equal protection.

The vast majority of those being in the Old Testament.

the laws of which, if i remember correctly, jesus said not to ignore.


red letters and all



found it, i think.

Passage Matthew 5:17-19:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

While I use the fairly innocuous blue laws as an example, there are a lot or religiously based laws that really bother me. Like the ones that say gays can't adopt (here in Oklahoma) or marry (most states).
And I just love the arguement of how that is so equal protection.

oh i agree with you. there are far too many laws and rules that are based in christian prejudice. they are slowly being changed but, DAMN, its far too slow

No way. We Americans all have to live under Christian laws, but only Christians may comment on it's interpretations.

Like?

Like?

Kat, I'm disappointed. You should know that the Constitution is a Christian document, created by the Framers so that America would be a Christian nation.

1. We seem to have several other threads (on the first page no less) about this already.

2. This really is just a back lash for those who take Quran's quote out of context.

Forgive me for my noobness (since this is a religious debate I have a feeling that you will), but are we not discussing quotes about the Bible, and indeed not talking about the Quran?

I just want to clarify. It's very difficult as a noob when you switch religious documents on us like that.

Thank you:)

It's not just emphasizing, it's outright ignoring that which they want to forget. Let's take the ever popular Leviticus. The chapters on stoning fags to death is almost universally applied. The chapters on properly sacrificing a bull every Sunday are universally ignored. Apparently killing queers is fine, cows aren't.

Well, we obviously satisfy both by having our stonings on Saturday in the public square, don't you know.

Also stoned: raped women, women who dare to have sex outside of marriage, children who disobey their parents, slaves who displease their masters....

Kat, I'm disappointed. You should know that the Constitution is a Christian document, created by the Framers so that America would be a Christian nation.

I know these aren't new shoes but did you really have to spread that much BS?

Like?

You are asking for examples of united states law inspired by Christianity?

Examples:
Florida homosexual adoption
FLA. STAT. ch. 63.042(3). Upheld in Lofton v. Sect. of the Dept. of Children and Family Services, 358 F.3d 804 (11th Cir. 2004).

Also not allowed in Mississippi and a hand full of other states.

North Dakota also has some shady wording in its adoption laws that allow the council to make decisions explicitly based on their religious or moral viewpoints

General seems to like to nit pick and select verses and concepts from the Bible and attack them, without having a fundamental understanding of Christianity itself. All of this women's rights argument and stuff is irrelevent in the bigger picture of Christianity, all that matters is that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and have an active and personal relationship with him (forgivness of sins etc. prayer). Intepreting minor verses has little or no major impact on eternal salvation.

Interestingly enough that's exactly what your doing, taking John 3:16 and making it the only Christian teaching.

Jesus rejected personal salvation many times, he never mentioned 'heaven' but he said grace comes from good works in reality. If Jesus was the person you think he is then he wouldn't have even come down to earth as a human.

Jesus called himself the 'Son of Man', I think that should tell you something.

The heaven/hell crap of the NT is small and is basically primitive bronze-age mythos with no lasting worth, the true worth of the NT is in it's value as a historical document and early human views of altruism etc.

Anyone who takes it belong that is strange because they are taking Jesus out of material context and making him into what they want him to be, not what he was.

What many fake Christians these days think is all they need do is engage in some kind of mental telepathy to God to 'believe' and that's it, Jesus reject that, good comes from real good actions.

THE LIQUOR STORE!!! One day, I hope.

Why don't you just move to a state where there are no blue laws?

The sacraficing of animals to God was a necessary part of the second covenant. Christ's death and resurrection voided this need.

Exactly must have found a better way then the way he was doing it before ... still does not seem omnipotent to me

Kat, I'm disappointed. You should know that the Constitution is a Christian document, created by the Framers so that America would be a Christian nation.

Funny that... I thought most were Deists, and I distinctly remember some damned amendment... which one was it now?

You are asking for examples of united states law inspired by Christianity?

Examples:
Florida homosexual adoption
FLA. STAT. ch. 63.042(3). Upheld in Lofton v. Sect. of the Dept. of Children and Family Services, 358 F.3d 804 (11th Cir. 2004).

Also not allowed in Mississippi and a hand full of other states.

North Dakota also has some shady wording in its adoption laws that allow the council to make decisions explicitly based on their religious or moral viewpoints

I'll be the first to agree that it sucks, but it's not universal throughout the US, therefore not a theocracy... and the choices open are change the laws (which, under a democratic republic, may be an uphill battle where you are) or move to a state where there are not so many backward assholes.

Forgive me for my noobness (since this is a religious debate I have a feeling that you will), but are we not discussing quotes about the Bible, and indeed not talking about the Quran?

I just want to clarify. It's very difficult as a noob when you switch religious documents on us like that.

Thank you:)

its all in the subtext.

stick around for a year or so and you will no longer wonder at anything anyone says.

I'll be the first to agree that it sucks, but it's not universal throughout the US, therefore not a theocracy... and the choices open are change the laws (which, under a democratic republic, may be an uphill battle where you are) or move to a state where there are not so many backward assholes.

At least in that line of quotation she was not saying it was a theocracy rather that we live under an excessive number of Christian inspired laws and there for it was stupid to not be able for non Christians to comment on Christianity.

I agree it is not a theocracy but you would be hard pressed to find a state, any state that to some degree or another did not have rules based off of Christian beliefs, as such the ability to question the beliefs that inspire the rules is a necessity weather you are a member of the religion in question or not.

Further more that ability to question them helps give the power to change the laws as you say (you are also right about the uphill battle) rather then accepting them as the status quo

Well, we obviously satisfy both by having our stonings on Saturday in the public square, don't you know.

Also stoned: raped women, women who dare to have sex outside of marriage, children who disobey their parents, slaves who displease their masters....

But but at least we don't chop their heads off!

No way. We Americans all have to live under Christian laws, but only Christians may comment on it's interpretations.

Burn! Damn, why didn't I ever think of that argument? *writes it down*

Ha!
Taking care of my sick Mom. Btw, she, a native Okie, says kiss her butt.:D

LOL