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So what are yall's favorite Cover Songs? I personally like Marilyn Manson's cover of "Tainted Love". I like the Soft Cell version as well, but the video just creeps me out. It looks like it should be on NAMBLA website. I also like Marilyn Manson's cover of "This is Halloween" from "Nightmare Before Christmas." So what are yall's favorite Cover Song?

Ew Manson.



Cradle Filth (who are also...iffy) have a very very good cover of Iron Maiden's Hallowed be Thy Name.



Also, Children of Bodom's cover of Ooops I did it Again is great for the lawl factor.

Ew Manson.

Comon, you know you like Manson, You're just saying that because I like him too, and you can't agree with me! ;):p

Also, Children of Bodom's cover of Ooops I did it Again is great for the lawl factor.

I am now looking for that song on YouTube.

Comon, you know you like Manson, You're just saying that because I like him too, and you can't agree with me! ;):p


No, I really, really hate Manson. With a passion.



Oh, another good Bodom cover is their cover of Slayer's Silent Scream. It is a worthy cover.

Oh, megadeth has a good cover of Anarchy in the UK. I like that one a lot too.

Gary Jules's cover of Mad World deserves to be mentioned here.

I'm also partial to the Agalloch cover of Kneel to the Cross.

That Marilyn Manson's best songs have all been covers tells you everything you need to know about the man's level of creativity.

And his best cover what Sweet Dreams, the Eurythmics song.

I would further assert that all covers of Anarchy in the UK are bad. Megadeth's is one of the better ones, but that's not a particularly difficult feat. Mötley Crüe's Anarchy in the UK cover is terrible.

My favourites would be:

The Beatles' Help, as done by Deep Purple
The Beatles' Day Tripper, as done by Whitesnake
Gary Moore's Over the Hills and Far Away, as done by Nightwish
Jethro Tull's Crosseyed Mary, as done by Iron Maiden
Judas Priest's The Ripper, as done by Iron Maiden

And finally...
The Searchers' Love Potion #9, as done by Ronnie Dio and the Prophets

odd how I remembered Save Ferris recently (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1F5Ye-g9i2U&feature=related)

I personally like Marilyn Manson's cover of "Tainted Love".

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The Futureheads cover of Hounds Of Love by Kate Bush is undoubtedly my favourite cover song.

My cover of "Cripple Creek" with improvised lyrics (no clue if the original ever had lyrics). I don't remember what they were, but they were hilarious, and even rhymed. :p

Feeling Good cover by Muse.
The Cribs cover of Modern Way, originally done by Kaiser Chiefs.

I like Godsmack's cover of "Good Times Bad Times" by Led Zeppelin.

I wouldn't have pegged Wilgrove as a Manson fan even on a longshot...weird...
odd how I remembered Save Ferris recently (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1F5Ye-g9i2U&feature=related)


Ska covers are the best.

My favorite of the moment (answer will change from moment to moment-
Sanford and Son Theme-Perfect Thyroid
or
Bumblebee Tuna Mephiskapholes

I like Wolfmother's cover of "Communication Breakdown".

The Grateful Dead's cover of Desolation Row by Bob Dylan.

Wait, scratch that, Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt by NIN.

Out of your Mouth's version of Madonna's Music.

My cover of "Cripple Creek" with improvised lyrics (no clue if the original ever had lyrics). I don't remember what they were, but they were hilarious, and even rhymed. :p
Hey, are you a banjo player? You aren't talking about "Up on Cripple Creek", either, are you?

I must confess I'm not a fan of cover songs. The Smiths did a Beetles cover, I forget which, which was ok, but generally my experiance of cover songs is tainted by the Ataris "Boys of the Summer".

That Marilyn Manson's best songs have all been covers tells you everything you need to know about the man's level of creativity.

And his best cover what Sweet Dreams, the Eurythmics song.

I would further assert that all covers of Anarchy in the UK are bad. Megadeth's is one of the better ones, but that's not a particularly difficult feat. Mötley Crüe's Anarchy in the UK cover is terrible.

My favourites would be:

The Beatles' Help, as done by Deep Purple
The Beatles' Day Tripper, as done by Whitesnake
Gary Moore's Over the Hills and Far Away, as done by Nightwish
Jethro Tull's Crosseyed Mary, as done by Iron Maiden
Judas Priest's The Ripper, as done by Iron Maiden

And finally...
The Searchers' Love Potion #9, as done by Ronnie Dio and the Prophets

How the hell did you get Ronnie Dio and the Prophets?

How the hell did you get Ronnie Dio and the Prophets?
I have all of Ronnie's recordings, right back to his first 45 from 1958.

Love Bites and Sound of Silence by Nevermore; anything made by Weird Al Yankovic (not proper covers still).

Cheerio!

I have all of Ronnie's recordings, right back to his first 45 from 1958.

Pretty dedicated. You like all of them?

Wait, scratch that, Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt by NIN.

Holy crap that song is amazing.

Josh Groban - "America" (Paul Simon)
Dropkick Murphys - "Fortunate Son" (Creedence Clearwater Revival)
John Mayer - "Message In a Bottle" (The Police)
Nickel Creek - "Toxic" (Britney Spears- I've only heard it on YouTube, but it's epic)
Deftones - "No Ordinary Love" (Sade)

New Found Glory did an EP called From the Screen to Your Stereo, it's covers of movie themes. Among them is "My Heart Will Go On". It is priceless. More serious, Eric Clapton did an album called Me & Mr. Johnson that is all Robert Johnson songs, but I suspect I only like it cause I'm a huge dork. And my favorite cover band is Me First & the Gimme Gimmes.

My favorite cover of all time, though, is probably Jeff Buckley's version of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah". Absolute love.

Pretty dedicated. You like all of them?
Not all of them. The second single - An Angel is Missing, 1959 - is a far better song than the 1958 single, for example. And some of his stuff just didn't work - his version of Aqualung ins't good.

But generally Ronnie's voice and musical sense makes everything he does worth a listen. His cover of Tony Bennett's I Left My Heart in San Francisco is great. By the time he got his first major release with Elf in 1972, he'd already been working steadily for 14 years, so he had all the experience he'd ever need.

The Slackers' cover of Wanted Man. Written by Bob Dylan, but I've only heard the Cash version.

Borstall Breakout by Sick of It All. The original by Sham 69 is also very good.

Redemption Song by Johnny Cash and Joe Strummer. Fucking awesome.

Nickel Creek - "Toxic" (Britney Spears- I've only heard it on YouTube, but it's epic)
Haddaway's version of Toxic is brilliant. He only ever performed it on some awful reality show, but it was a stellar performance.

The best cover song is obviously Metallica's various covers on the Garage albums, with standouts being Whiskey in the Jar, Astronomy, Sabbra Cadabbra, and Die, Die My Darling. Can't beat them, period. Unless you like GnR covering Knockin on Heavens Door.

Unless you like GnR covering Knockin on Heavens Door.
Oooh!

I like their cover of Live and Let Die

Haddaway's version of Toxic is brilliant. He only ever performed it on some awful reality show, but it was a stellar performance.

Somehow, Britney Spears puts out some steaming crap for singles, and people manage to make some epic covers out of them. It's like the ska theme of doing awesome covers of terrible 80's songs. It's surprising but doesn't fail to make you smile.

Most of the Renegades album by Rage Against the Machine.

Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies are pretty alright actually.

Hey, are you a banjo player? You aren't talking about "Up on Cripple Creek", either, are you?

I was playing it on the guitar at the time, but yeah, I mean the classic bluegrass tune, with improvised lyrics. :p

I wouldn't have pegged Wilgrove as a Manson fan even on a longshot...weird...

That what everyone says. I'm not a fan of Hip-Hop, or rap, and I'm not that big of a fan of country, so that just leaves rock and Alternative musics. :)

I like Phil Collins´s cover of Cyndi Lauper´s ¨True Colors¨.

That what everyone says. I'm not a fan of Hip-Hop, or rap, and I'm not that big of a fan of country, so that just leaves rock and Alternative musics. :)
Yeah, but you could be into something good, like Prog or something.

Yeah, but you could be into something good, like Prog or something.

What is Prog?

"Baby we can do it" from the TV show The Pussycat Dolls Pressent Girlicious
Originally done by the SOS band

A Perfect Circle, Imagine.

When The Levee Breaks - Led Zeppelin
Proud Mary - Tina Turner
Time After Time - Quietdrive

I was playing it on the guitar at the time, but yeah, I mean the classic bluegrass tune, with improvised lyrics. :p
I think that was the first whole song I ever beat out of a banjo. It's something like "Goin' up Cripple Creek, goin' in a whirl. Goin' up Cripple Creek to see my girl."

I don't know if it has any verses. No one else I know ever sings any.

I like my cover version of "Dire Wolf".

That what everyone says. I'm not a fan of Hip-Hop, or rap, and I'm not that big of a fan of country, so that just leaves rock and Alternative musics. :)

And metal, and industrial, and electronic, and classical, and jazz, and...

Cradle Filth (who are also...iffy) have a very very good cover of Iron Maiden's Hallowed be Thy Name.

<3

I loved the original, and the cover was just completely magnificent, IMHO.

I also really enjoyed Metallica's cover of Diamond Head's "Am I Evil".

I like the Soft Cell version as well, but the video just creeps me out. It looks like it should be on NAMBLA website.
:D
Click Stand;13566356']Wait, scratch that, Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt by NIN.
Ooo, that is indeed a powerful one.

I rather like the acoustic cover of Time After Time by Matchbox 20.

What is Prog?

Progressive Rock. Emerson Lake and Palmer, The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd are probably the best known exponents.

I like Rob Zombie's cover of KC and the Sunshine Band's Boogieman.

The original sounds like he's singing about dancing his way into your bed. The cover sounds like he's singing about lurking under your bed.

A wonderful demonstration of how you can change the meaning of a song with the tone of it.

Also, anything from Apocalyptica's Metallica by Four Cellos

That what everyone says. I'm not a fan of Hip-Hop, or rap, and I'm not that big of a fan of country, so that just leaves rock and Alternative musics. :)

Good lord, man. What a narrow view of music.

Richard Cheese! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr7EBuz-2xI&feature=related)

Lum Jam's Black Betty as done by Spiderbait
Not really a cover but Run DMC and Aerosmith's version of Walk This Way
The Beatle's Come Together as performed by Aerosmith
There was a cover of the Rolling Stones classic Mother's Little Helper I heard redone in brit punk.. that was awesome.

Too tired to think of any others..

Also, anything from Apocalyptica's Metallica by Four Cellos
Any cover that Apocalyptica do, really. One of my favourites is their version of Bowie's Heroes with Till Lindemann (Rammstein) on vocals.

Other covers: pretty much anything by Me First & the Gimme Gimmes and, as mentioned already, Johnny Cash's version of Hurt.

So what are yall's favorite Cover Songs? I personally like Marilyn Manson's cover of "Tainted Love". I like the Soft Cell version as well, but the video just creeps me out. It looks like it should be on NAMBLA website. I also like Marilyn Manson's cover of "This is Halloween" from "Nightmare Before Christmas." So what are yall's favorite Cover Song?

Land of Confusion - Disturbed
Shout 2000 - Disturbed
Stripped - Rammstein

Soft Cell's cover of "Tainted Love" isn't bad, but I liked the original the best (by Gloria Jones).
Jack Off Jill's cover of "Love Song" is as good as the original (by the Cure). 311's cover is atrocious.
The Gits' cover of "A Change Is Gonna Come" (by Sam Cooke) is fantastic.
Cradle of Filth's cover of "No Time To Cry" (by the Sisters of Mercy) is pretty good.
Diamanda Galas's and Lydia Lynch's covers of "Gloomy Sunday" (by Billie Holiday) are good.
But the best cover of all is Motörhead and Wendy O. Williams' "Stand By Your Man" (by Tammy Wynette).

I'd have to say Vince Neil's version of Lust for Life (by Iggy Pop)

My favourite covers are Erasure's "Oh L'Amour" as covered by Dollar, and David Bowie's "The Man Who Sold The World" as covered by Midge Ure (or was it Ultravox? Damn internet radio stations randomly giving band credit to a soloist).

But I have weird music tendencies.

I always think of another song much later.

A Perfect Circle's cover of "The Nurse Who Loved Me". Can't remember who did the original, but it's amazing. Had some friends who performed it at a recital and I was floored by how great they did.

Emperor's cover of Bathory's "A Fine Day to Die" is great.

Not all of them. The second single - An Angel is Missing, 1959 - is a far better song than the 1958 single, for example. And some of his stuff just didn't work - his version of Aqualung ins't good.

But generally Ronnie's voice and musical sense makes everything he does worth a listen. His cover of Tony Bennett's I Left My Heart in San Francisco is great. By the time he got his first major release with Elf in 1972, he'd already been working steadily for 14 years, so he had all the experience he'd ever need.

Yeah, I was just wondering, since Ronnie's done doo-wop, blues-rock, angry-sounding heavy metal (90s), proto-power heavy metal (early 80s), and power metal.

So what are yall's favorite Cover Songs? I personally like Marilyn Manson's cover of "Tainted Love". I like the Soft Cell version as well, but the video just creeps me out. It looks like it should be on NAMBLA website. I also like Marilyn Manson's cover of "This is Halloween" from "Nightmare Before Christmas." So what are yall's favorite Cover Song?

Please, please don't use the word yall.

Please, please don't use the word yall.

or at least spell it right...

y'all

Oh, megadeth has a good cover of Anarchy in the UK. I like that one a lot too.

Green Jello covered it too :)

What is Prog?

Focus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpV5InLw52U) is the quintissential Prog Rock band ;)

Some covers that got missed:
Killdozer's I Am I Said
Social Distortion's Ring of Fire
Dread Zeppelin (the whole first album, the second one, not so much)
I also have an album of Stairway to Heaven covers that was put out by BBC Australia that's just hilarious! Something like 15 covers, each unique stylistically, including "Elvis," "B-52's," 2 "Beatles," and even "Read Poetry."
Brilliant!

There was also a local band, where I lived in the 80s, the Kamakaze Klones, who did a rippin' cover of Secret Agent Man. Ah, sweet memories :)

Honest Bob and the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives' cover of "Head Like a Hole" (originally by Nine Inch Nails, I believe).

Please, please don't use the word yall.

Sorry, I live in the South, I grew up with it, so yea it's pretty much ingrained.

This thread needed to be dragged out of the past for this cover...


You owe it to yourself to see the "commie" version of "Sweet Home Alabama"... Complete with a chorus of "The Volga Boatman", direct from the former USSR, here are the LENINGRAD COWBOYS!!!
*everyone cheers*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lNFRLrP014

This thread needed to be dragged out of the past for this cover...


You owe it to yourself to see the "commie" version of "Sweet Home Alabama"... Complete with a chorus of "The Volga Boatman", direct from the former USSR, here are the LENINGRAD COWBOYS!!!
*everyone cheers*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lNFRLrP014

You need to work on your geography skills...

Finland was not part of the USSR.

I like Blind Melon's cover of "Three is a Magic Number".

There's a couple nice cover versions of the Phantom of the Opera (Nightwish, Lambretta, and a techno version).

The Lacuna Coil version of Enjoy the Silence originally be Depeche Mode is pretty nice as well.

You need to work on your geography skills...

Finland was not part of the USSR.

Spoilsport. It's not about geography, it's about the show... And the song...

Spoilsport. It's not about geography, it's about the show... And the song...

It is an interesting rendition.

Richard Cheese's lounge version of "The Imperial March"

It is an interesting rendition.
They're kind of a cross between Devo and the B-52s singing country rock... Then the Red Army Choir adds its own variety of bizarre.

But I like the hairpieces. I want one like that for the next time I play at a bluegrass festival.

They're kind of a cross between Devo and the B-52s singing country rock... Then the Red Army Choir adds its own variety of bizarre.

But I like the hairpieces. I want one like that for the next time I play at a bluegrass festival.

LOL

Hurt by Johnny Cash
Theme from Shaft done by the Wedding Present
Dear Prudence by Siouxsie and the Banshees
Victoria by the Fall

A Perfect Circle, Imagine.

^ This

Also, In Flames' cover of Depeche Mode's "Everything Counts" is quite good as well.

Disturbed's cover of Land of Confusion

It is better than Genesis in my opinion. :)

Click Stand;13566356']The Grateful Dead's cover of Desolation Row by Bob Dylan... <snip>

That's my favourite Dylan song - I've never heard the Dead version.

This will give away my age, but the Australian band, Zoot, did a sensational metal version of "Eleanor Rigby" in 1970. See it here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3IUASoqfM).

Steve Martin's version of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" is my current fave.

"Black Hole Sun" performed by Steve Lawrence and Eidie Gormet is nice and mellow.

Let's not forget Richard Cheese's rendition of Sir Mixalot's "Baby Got Back".

And, of course, William Shatner's "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" is a classic.

(Senior Coconut does cool latin rythm versions of Kraftwerk songs as well.)

wtf you all got against manson?

I was gonna say Bodom's Oops I did it again, but it was... like... the first reply or something :D
I can email it to anyone who wants it

Hayseed Dixie do lots of amazing bluegrass cover versions of metal songs. There's plenty of them on Youtube. Their version of Holiday (Green Day) was especially fantastic.

Tori Amos has done some interesting stuff, rejuvenating Famous Blue Raincoat (Leonard Cohen) for example. Oh, and Midget did a truly amazing cover of Daydream Believer, with the guitars seriously beefed up.

Mmm... what else? Radiohead's Nobody Does It Better (Carly Simon), Dubstar's St Swithin's Day (Billy Bragg), REM covering One (U2) and First We Take Manhattan (Lenny again)... Lemonheads' Mr Tambourine Man (Dylan, also covered by the Byrds).

Best ever... difficult to say. But for me it's a toss up between Clash covering I Fought the Law (Crickets), and the Levellers covering English Civil War (er... Clash).

you HAVE to see this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oATAdNFHDrM

wtf you all got against manson?


Hes a talentless baffoon?


Normally Id give him props for getting super rich by simply pissing people off, but he really just pisses off the Christian Soccor Mom coalition, which is really not too difficult these days.

wtf you all got against manson?He's an excellent lyricist, but his musicwriting is subpar. It's no coincidence that the quality of the music went way downhill after Twiggy left the band. (Twiggy wrote much of the music, and Daisy wrote much of it before he was kicked out.)

He's an excellent lyricist, but his musicwriting is subpar. It's no coincidence that the quality of the music went way downhill after Twiggy left the band. (Twiggy wrote much of the music, and Daisy wrote much of it before he was kicked out.)

so in other words, manson is an excellent lyricist and MM as a band also write good songs (just coz manson can't write the music, I don't see as a reason to dislike him, he's the vocalist.....)

He puts on an amazing live show, i can tell you that for sure :)

he's very intelligent, and his writing has got depth.

it's not just about pissing people off actually- that's not why he writes.. (not directed at you biafra). If some songs sound like they're just to piss people off, maybe you're just misenterpreting......

iunno, lots of people hate MM when they really dont know much about him ;p

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NoL
on what do you base this opinion?

so in other words, manson is an excellent lyricist and MM as a band also write good songsWell, they used to. The last two albums have been rather meh.

ie
NoL
on what do you base this opinion?


That he has no talent or that angering the CSMC is hard?

Id say he has no talent as his song writing is sub par and not particually musically complicated. One can write simplistically and still be talented, but when you write simplistic and not very innovative things, Id wager youre a pretty weak musician.


As to angering the Christian Soccor Mom Coalition being easy, well, look around :p

There's a couple nice cover versions of the Phantom of the Opera (Nightwish, Lambretta, and a techno version).

The Lacuna Coil version of Enjoy the Silence originally be Depeche Mode is pretty nice as well.

the nightwish version is horrible lol

That he has no talent or that angering the CSMC is hard?

Id say he has no talent as his song writing is sub par and not particually musically complicated. One can write simplistically and still be talented, but when you write simplistic and not very innovative things, Id wager youre a pretty weak musician.


As to angering the Christian Soccor Mom Coalition being easy, well, look around :p

lol, well both, but i really was looking for specific things about his music that you thought
a) were talentless (simple, unoriginal, whatever)
b) were designed to anger CSMs

Well, they used to. The last two albums have been rather meh.

its pretty rare to find a band with ONLY good albums ;p doesn't define the band as bad, just specific albums

note- this is neither agreeing with nor disagreeing with, your statement. Just a general point.

Most of Manson's music is horrible, mainly because he sings in it. He has one of the most annoying fucking voices I have ever heard in my life.

b) were designed to anger CSMs

One who explicatly writes about sex, violence, and calls himself the anti-christ superstar, then dresses in drag, plasters up side down crosses everywhere, and fingers girls on stage is clearly trying to get a rise out of someone.


And who is he mostly like to get a rise out of? Christians. Who are mostly likely to do things about it because they have the time? Christian Soccor Moms;).

And his unoriginallity comes from him using exclusivally power chords.

Hey, the guy is making money with his...erm..."art"? Kuddos. Im just not going to say hes anything but what he is.

Most of Manson's music is horrible, mainly because he sings in it. He has one of the most annoying fucking voices I have ever heard in my life.

I tend to refrain from commenting with such very personal opinions.

Saying you think his lyrics are bad you could musically analyse, discuss, and back up. whether you like his voice is personal opinion.

just keep it to yourself....

It's like if you dislike a genre of music. It doesn't mean that it's bad, just not to your taste.
It's just thoughtless to go around saying something is 'bad' because it's not to your taste.

Unless of course you're going to claim that there is something essentially annoying about his voice, such that it should apply to everyone, not just you.

I tend to refrain from commenting with such very personal opinions.
Hydesland is right, he's got a crap voice. You can actually analyse it with the Pishometer scale.

He's 8. That's only just below Rolf Harris in terms of having a pish voice.

I tend to refrain from commenting with such very personal opinions.

Saying you think his lyrics are bad you could musically analyse, discuss, and back up.


Not really, you can't objectively measure the quality of lyrics anymore than the quality of someones voice, art is art.


just keep it to yourself....


Nah.


Unless of course you're going to claim that there is something essentially annoying about his voice, such that it should apply to everyone, not just you.

Well, the annoyingness should apply to anyone with functioning ears on the side of their head.

its pretty rare to find a band with ONLY good albums ;p doesn't define the band as bad, just specific albums

note- this is neither agreeing with nor disagreeing with, your statement. Just a general point.I wasn't saying the band was bad, just that they have a couple of not very good albums.
And of course, Marilyn has the habit of alienating band members, especially his musicwriters.

One who explicatly writes about sex, violence, and calls himself the anti-christ superstar, then dresses in drag, plasters up side down crosses everywhere, and fingers girls on stage is clearly trying to get a rise out of someone.


And who is he mostly like to get a rise out of? Christians. Who are mostly likely to do things about it because they have the time? Christian Soccor Moms;).

And his unoriginallity comes from him using exclusivally power chords.

Hey, the guy is making money with his...erm..."art"? Kuddos. Im just not going to say hes anything but what he is.

or maybe he's trying to communicate to an audience he sees as apathetic.

drag- (vaudeville and burlesque)
Lead singer Manson was fond of David Bowie, Black Sabbath and Kiss as a young music fan
wikipedia...



hey, maybe he's trying to shock his audience into a differant way of thinking?
Essentially though it's the music we're talking about, his personal life and stage antics are irrelevant to quality of music- you'd be better off trying to point out songs or lyrics that are aimed at provoking the CSMs

I won't claim the music is technically complex, but i would also say that the non-vocal parts are not too simple, and i would say they are suitable to compliment the lyrics, and the feel (emotion/thoughts) of the songs.

iunno, i feel that 'just trying to piss off CSMs' = saying 'contreversial things' just to earn money, whereas I feel that's just not what Manson's about...

you'd be better off trying to point out songs or lyrics that are aimed at provoking the CSMs

Roger-

Your world is an ashtray
We burn and coil like cigarettes
The more you cry your ashes turn to mud
It's the nature of the leeches, the virgin's
Feeling cheated
You've only spent a second of your life
My world is unaffected, there is an exit here
I say it is and then it's true,
There is a dream inside a dream,
I'm wide awake the more I sleep
You'll understand when I'm dead
I went to god just to see, and I was looking at me
Saw heaven and hell were lies
When I'm god everyone dies
Scar/can you feel my power?
Shoot here and the world gets smaller
Scar/scar/can you feel my power?
One shot and the world gets smaller
Let's jump upon the sharp swords
And cut away our smiles
Without the threat of death
There's no reason to live at all
My world is unaffected, there is an exit here
I say it is and then it's true,
There is a dream inside a dream,
I'm wide awake the more I sleep
You'll understand when I'm dead

[Bridge]

[Chorus]

"Each thing i show you is a piece of my death"
Shoot shoot shoot motherfucker
No salvation, no forgiveness
"This is beyond your experience"
Forgiveness...

-The Reflecting God. Ironically this is a song of his I dont mind.


whereas I feel that's just not what Manson's about...

Even he says thats what he does. He openly says hes in it for the stage show and plays "shock rock".

Not really, you can't objectively measure the quality of lyrics anymore than the quality of someones voice, art is art.
that's just stupid talk. Of course you can't place an absolute quality value on lyrics, but you can easily tell the differance between bad and good ones, and you can analyse why certain lyrics are good or bad.

I can't even be bothered to go find examples for this, it's just so obvious.

What you wouldn't do, is try and say one genre or another is better.

Which leads me on to...


Well, the annoyingness should apply to anyone with functioning ears on the side of their head.

Well, this is clearly incorrect seeing as plenty of people with fully functioning ears, and indeed with the definite ability to appreciate music (HOWEVER you want to define this- experience, education, etc, etc) including generalised music appreciation training, not specifically 'metal' or whatever, do not find Manson's voice annoying.

It's your personal opinion, and if you just want to insult people, go do it on youtube manson videos, that's the place for people like you.

Notice that I'm managing to have a completely civil debate with KoL, because he commented on something which wasn't just a matter of personal taste, and also has the ability to word his opinions with respect for the fact that his viewpoint on life isn't absolute truth.....

that's just stupid talk. Of course you can't place an absolute quality value on lyrics, but you can easily tell the differance between bad and good ones, and you can analyse why certain lyrics are good or bad.


Why then can the same not be said about quality of voice?


I can't even be bothered to go find examples for this, it's just so obvious.

What you wouldn't do, is try and say one genre or another is better.


What does genre have to do with anything?


Well, this is clearly incorrect seeing as plenty of people with fully functioning ears, and indeed with the definite ability to appreciate music (HOWEVER you want to define this- experience, education, etc, etc) including generalised music appreciation training, not specifically 'metal' or whatever, do not find Manson's voice annoying.


And I'm sure many people with 'generalised music appreciation training' find some lyrics that you hate to be a work of art.


It's your personal opinion, and if you just want to insult people, go do it on youtube manson videos, that's the place for people like you.

Notice that I'm managing to have a completely civil debate with KoL, because he commented on something which wasn't just a matter of personal taste, and also has the ability to word his opinions with respect for the fact that his viewpoint on life isn't absolute truth.....

And yet you have failed to show how lyrics aren't just a matter of taste.

I like Godsmack's cover of "Good Times Bad Times" by Led Zeppelin.

it was alright, but the bass fill was ruined in the cover.

Notice that I'm managing to have a completely civil debate with KoL, because he commented on something which wasn't just a matter of personal taste, and also has the ability to word his opinions with respect for the fact that his viewpoint on life isn't absolute truth.....

Ill let you know as youre newish here, my opinion is absolute truth ;)

And yet you have failed to show how lyrics aren't just a matter of taste.

Well, is good and bad writing a matter of taste? I dont think so. I think, and Im sure many would agree, there is universally bad writing, especially in the creative sphere. The same applies to lyrics.

Well, is good and bad writing a matter of taste? I dont think so. I think, and Im sure many would agree, there is universally bad writing, especially in the creative sphere. The same applies to lyrics.

The whole point is is that good writing and bad writing is subjective, but we share common desires. So most people would prefer writing to be coherant rather than incoherent, original rather than repetitive, but it still is only ultimately a matter of taste. Likewise, people like their singing to be either good quality or soulful and meaningful, rather than annoying pseud sounding groans which are devoid of any melody or soul (a.k.a Manson).

Mr Tambourine Man - The Byrds (Originally Bob Dylan)
All Along The Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix (Originally Bob Dylan)
Blue Suede Shoes - Elvis Presley (Originally Carl Perkins)
Crossroads - Cream (Originally Robert Johnson)
Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley (Originally Leonard Cohen)
Oh Lonesome Me - Neil Young (Originally Don Gibson)
Hurt - Johnny Cash (Originally NIN)

All awesome covers (although there are plenty more)

Mr Tambourine Man - The Byrds (Originally Bob Dylan)

I hate you. The birds ruined everything that song had going for it.:mad:

Hurt - Johnny Cash (Originally NIN)


Okay I forgive you.:)

But I won't forget that byrds thing...

people like their singing to be either good quality or soulful and meaningful, rather than annoying pseud sounding groans which are devoid of any melody or soul (a.k.a Manson).

No, you simply dislike the style in which he sings. Let me guess, you dislike most metal vocalists?
I dislike the majority of hip-hip vocalists because I dislike the style of music. It doesn't mean I think they're bad artists just because I don't like the way they sing. To say that, I would have to pick out certain aspects of their singing, something I could point out to people who actually liked hip hop vocals in general.

I hear soul in his voice. I hear emotion.
You're saying what defines it as 'annoying', and other insults, is it's lack of melody? Even if this is a style of singing? (I'm not even gonna try and argue about whether it has melody, but the point is esentially irrelevant).

If you just don't like metal, then say so. I've no problem with that. And it's a perfectly valid reason for not liking Manson's work. It is not, however, a valid reason for insulting his work, insulting people who enjoy his work, or for saying his vocals are annoying. Just because they annoy you, because of the style.

It's like critisising an genre of art. I don't like it, because it's not realistic/colourful/expressive/whatever of a million differant things you might not like about a genre, because, in art (and music) people have extreme ways of expressing themselves. Take a look at the more extreme genres of art. As a simple example, modern art- some people think it is too obscure, how they communicate. Fine, so you dislike the genre, no problem. But it doesn't mean you can say that an artist using that style is essentially bad.
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Anyone else get what I'm saying here?? :S am I explaining myself really badly?

No, you simply dislike the style in which he sings. Let me guess, you dislike most metal vocalists?
I dislike the majority of hip-hip vocalists because I dislike the style of music. It doesn't mean I think they're bad artists just because I don't like the way they sing. To say that, I would have to pick out certain aspects of their singing, something I could point out to people who actually liked hip hop vocals in general.

I hear soul in his voice. I hear emotion.
You're saying what defines it as 'annoying', and other insults, is it's lack of melody? Even if this is a style of singing? (I'm not even gonna try and argue about whether it has melody, but the point is esentially irrelevant).

If you just don't like metal, then say so. I've no problem with that. And it's a perfectly valid reason for not liking Manson's work. It is not, however, a valid reason for insulting his work, insulting people who enjoy his work, or for saying his vocals are annoying. Just because they annoy you, because of the style.

It's like critisising an genre of art. I don't like it, because it's not realistic/colourful/expressive/whatever of a million differant things you might not like about a genre, because, in art (and music) people have extreme ways of expressing themselves. Take a look at the more extreme genres of art. As a simple example, modern art- some people think it is too obscure, how they communicate. Fine, so you dislike the genre, no problem. But it doesn't mean you can say that an artist using that style is essentially bad.
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Anyone else get what I'm saying here?? :S am I explaining myself really badly?

I get what you're saying, and I agree with Hydes about Manson's voice...

The entire works of the Belgian female voice choir Scala could count in this category; not sure 'cover version' can quite apply to a Bacharach and David number, but Deacon Blue have the definitive reading of I'll Never Fall In Love Again long after Dionne Warwick et al. had performed it; similarly, Simply Red have probably the best interpretation of Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye in my opinion.

On the Marilyn Manson tangent; he's a competent performer and a superb showman, and is always going to attract right-wing critiques like shiny objects attract magpies; I prefer the original Tainted Love, but Manson's version is at least different enough that you cannot call it unequivocally inferior.

Has Hayseed Dixie got more than one album? I've got the AC/DC cover album but have been in Central Asia for years and don't have acces to real music (the Kyrgyz national music seems to be karioke).

Hey, Manson heads and critics, please go elsewhere with your discussion. I have no opinion either way about him but you're starting to grate on my nerves. Perhaps an all Manson thread should be started. Sorry if that seems callous.

Oh, just remembered one. Claire's cover of Fly Me To The Moon.

killdozer's versions of one tin soldier and american pie

Rolf Harris's cover of 'Stairway to Heaven'... :D

I'm an oldies guy... I'd have to say Pearl Jam's live cover of Baba O'Riley.

Jimi Hendrix - "All Along The Watchtower," originally by Bob Dylan. I can't believe so many people missed this.
Johnny Cash - "Hurt," originally by Nine Inch Nails
Lone Star - "She Said," originally by The Beatles
Muse - "Feeling Good," originally by Nina Simone
Led Zeppelin - "Dazed & Confused," originally by Jake Holmes
Motley Crue - "Smokin' In The Boys Room," originally by Brownsville Station
Van Halen - "Ice Cream Man," originally by John Brim
Phish - "Swing Low Sweet Chariot," originally traditional
Harry Belafonte - "The Banana Boat Song," originally traditional
Jon Gomm - "Wait In Vain," originally by Bob Marley
Joan Baez - "It Ain't Me Babe," originally by Bob Dylan
Jeff Buckley - "Mama, You Been On My Mind," originally by Bob Dylan (blows Hallelujah out the water (originally by John Cale), which is still incredible)
The Who - "Summertime Blues," originally by Eddie Cochran
Joe Cocker - "With A Little Help From My Friends," originally by the Beatles
And anything by Hayseed Dixie.