NationStates Jolt Archive

Simple question, and while yes, there are ares of grey, it is a question of proportion.

Does the good outweigh the bad, or does the bad outweigh the good?

Explain your answer, if you wish...

This thread is WAY too general.

Simple question, and while yes, there are ares of grey, it is a question of proportion.

Does the good outweigh the bad, or does the bad outweigh the good?

Explain your answer, if you wish...

Yes, without question.

As far as explaining, in my opinion there is no place that is perfect, but there are plenty of places that don't even try to be. We at least do strive for better. :)

Simple question
Not really.

All nation-states are bad, but America is among the worst.

Let me remind everyone, before voting:

Neil Young was Canadian, not American - not our fault. :p

This thread is WAY too general.

If you don't like mushrooms or cheese, but love tomatoes, and I ask you if you like a mushroom cheese tomato pizza, your dislike of mushrooms and cheese will lead you to dislike mushroom cheese tomato pizza.

Do you operate from a mindset where America has too many sins to atone for, or from a mindset where the world owes a debt to America? Pretty straightforward, I think.

Throughout history, the harm and good America does has probably averaged out.


This thread is going to get ugly real quick IMO.

If you don't like mushrooms or cheese, but love tomatoes, and I ask you if you like a mushroom cheese tomato pizza, your dislike of mushrooms and cheese will lead you to dislike mushroom cheese tomato pizza.

Do you operate from a mindset where America has too many sins to atone for, or from a mindset where the world owes a debt to America? Pretty straightforward, I think.

What I meant is there is too much room for debate. There's a million arguments for and against each side.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/8balldoomed.jpg

Where's the poll option for America: Fuck yeah! ?

If you don't like mushrooms or cheese, but love tomatoes, and I ask you if you like a mushroom cheese tomato pizza, your dislike of mushrooms and cheese will lead you to dislike mushroom cheese tomato pizza.

Do you operate from a mindset where America has too many sins to atone for, or from a mindset where the world owes a debt to America? Pretty straightforward, I think.

trick question, no one hates cheese...except those people who are intoloerant of lactose, intolerant bastards...they should all be shot...





99% of this post was a joke

Best thing to come out of the US- cheeseburgers.
Worst thing to come out of the US- everything else.:D

J/K!;)

Best thing to come out of the US- cheeseburgers.
the US- everything else.:D

J/K!;)

;)

Best thing to come out of Spain- Nanatsu no Tsuki
Worst thing to come out of Spain- Not a damn thing

;)

Best thing to come out of Spain- Nanatsu no Tsuki
Worst thing to come out of Spain- Not a damn thing

Awwww, I´m flattered. Thanks.:p

Awwww, I´m flattered. Thanks.:p

Just doing my job. ;)

*tips hat, collects payment, leaves*

I'd say America is good. Of course I'll say that about any country that guarantees it's civilians basic human rights, so there you go.

The American people are amongst the finest in the world. The American government on the other hand.....

Still, in my opinion the United States has more often than not been the lesser evil (does anyone really believe we would have been better off if the Soviets had won the Cold War or the Germans the Second World War?).

America propped up a lot of murderous dictators in Latin America and Africa during the Cold War, which was inexcusable. But the Communists were often just as bad if not worse.

So in the end, at worst America's good/bad averages out.

As far as I am concerned though, America has done more good than harm. If only for its tremendous innovations in medicine and technology, which are now shared throughout the world.

I think that most Nation States cause harm harm than good.

Plus Britney Spears is from the US. Sorry guys but, really I will never recover.:(

I think that most Nation States cause harm harm than good.

Plus Britney Spears is from the US. Sorry guys but, really I will never recover.:(

*shivers at the memory*
Britney Spears... now that was the worst.:(

All nation-states are bad, but America is among the worst.

We are not a nation-state. Fail.

I think on balance the existence of the US has been a good thing for the world. In economic terms, in political terms (the existence of a largely liberal political system has been vital for the development of our modern free countries), as far as keeping Imperialists, Nazis and Soviets at bay is concerned and because America's economic system has done a good job at producing not just inventions but actually introducing those inventions into our homes.

Of course I could name about a billion things wrong with the US, and it seems to go through periods of revealing another side to it that is only to be condemned, but on balance I'd still say more good came from it than bad.

;)

Best thing to come out of Spain- Nanatsu no Tsuki
Worst thing to come out of Spain- Not a damn thing

Well, one thing that comes to mind is the inquisition and south american slavery. But hey, thats all made up for in the way of Nanatsu. ;)

I think that most Nation States cause harm harm than good.

Plus Britney Spears is from the US. Sorry guys but, really I will never recover.:(

THAT I can agree with, she ALMOST justifies the hatred of the U.S by some people. :p

Well, one thing that comes to mind is the inquisition and south american slavery. But hey, thats all made up for in the way of Nanatsu. ;)

o.O
The Inquisition and American slavery are things my country is not proud of. And if you didn´t read the posts, Magdha and I were joking. Plus, I wasn´t offending the US in anyway that was too horrid.;)

o.O
The Inquisition and American slavery are things my country is not proud of. And if you didn´t read the posts, Magdha and I were joking. Plus, I wasn´t offending the US in anyway that was too horrid.;)

I know, I just like to spoil other peoples fun. :p

I know, I just like to spoil other peoples fun. :p

Meanie. :p

j/k

I know, I just like to spoil other peoples fun. :p

I´m the bag-murderer.
*bags Kontor, hauls him out the door, tosses him over the nearest canal*
:D
You´ve been bagged!!

I´m the bag-murderer.
*bags Kontor, hauls him out the door, tosses him over the nearest canal*
:D
You´ve been bagged!!

*Nearest canal is....not very near, nantsu must have superhuman strength*

THAT I can agree with, she ALMOST justifies the hatred of the U.S by some people. :p

And then when you pair her with 50 Cent.... why US, why do you hate us so? What did we ever do to you. I mean I'm sorry about Celine Dion but we had to get rid of her somehow.:(

*Nearest canal is....not very near, nantsu must have superhuman strength*

Yes... she does... she´s the Bag Murderer.
(Why the frigg am I talking on the third person?)

And then when you pair her with 50 Cent.... why US, why do you hate us so? What did we ever do to you. I mean I'm sorry about Celine Dion but we had to get rid of her somehow.:(

And Bryan Adams. I think the US still begrudges that...:(

Like the rest of the world doesn't have it's Britney Spears and Paris Hilton's.

Katie Price is more of a slut than Paris and even dumber than Britney.

Like the rest of the world doesn't have it's Britney Spears and Paris Hilton's.

Katie Price is more of a slut than Paris and even dumber than Britney.

Yeah, but we're just joking around, you don't need to take it so seriously.

It's all meant in good humor. Doesn't let Neo be a bad influence. :)

I just don't get why people jump on the U.S. for having a bunch of useless people get famous, when Europe has more than it's share, even if they aren't as internationally known.

It's all meant in good humor. Doesn't let Neo be a bad influence. :)

I just don't get why people jump on the U.S. for having a bunch of useless people get famous, when Europe has more than it's share, even if they aren't as internationally known.

I have your answer, dear. Because we can and it´s easy. LOL!:D

It's all meant in good humor. Doesn't let Neo be a bad influence. :)

I just don't get why people jump on the U.S. for having a bunch of useless people get famous, when Europe has more than it's share, even if they aren't as internationally known.

Well, the jokes on the people who make fun of US (yes, a pun) we are powerfull and known, and they are not. The fact that our star's are known enough to be made fun of says something of our cultural power.

Well, the jokes on the people who make fun of US (yes, a pun) we are powerfull and known, and they are not. The fact that our star's are known enough to be made fun of says something of our cultural power.

Says volumes... Not good things, though...:D

Well, one thing that comes to mind is the inquisition and south american slavery.
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nobody-expects.jpg

Says volumes... Not good things, though...:D

Well, it's says bad things about the people who are known sure. But, power is power is power. I have never heard of ONE spanish star, can you say the same of our American stars?

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nobody-expects.jpg

HEHE, is he gunna claw me to save my soul?

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nobody-expects.jpg

That cat has a Mexican sombrero. Know your nationalities, esse!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/Fredcat/Cats%2005/Cat-CatWearingHatNoOneExpectsTheSpa.jpg
:D

Well, it's says bad things about the people who are known sure. But, power is power is power. I have never heard of ONE spanish star, can you say the same of our American stars?

Do you know who Julio Iglesias is?
Oh, I can name you many American stars.

Do you know who Julio Iglesias is?
Oh, I can name you many American stars.

Never heard of him. In fact, I only know a very little group of stars, probably less than you.

Never heard of him. In fact, I only know a very little group of stars, probably less than you.

*shrugs*
NVM...

That cat has a Mexican sombrero. Know your nationalities, esse!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/Fredcat/Cats%2005/Cat-CatWearingHatNoOneExpectsTheSpa.jpg
:D

Everybody knows they are the same http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/sleep.gif

:p

Everybody knows they are the same http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/sleep.gif

:p

No, they are not the same, infidel!
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/ustwo151/DOGCAT.jpg

J/K!

No, they are not the same, infidel!
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/ustwo151/DOGCAT.jpg

J/K!

It's Chuck Norris's cat!

It's Chuck Norris's cat!

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q64/user1101/chucknorriscat.jpg

LOL Cats came from the US. I love LOL Cats, so there, something else good that came out of the US.:D

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q64/user1101/chucknorriscat.jpg

LOL Cats came from the US. I love LOL Cats, so there, something else good that came out of the US.:D

One good thing I can think of Spain atm is that you fought off vicious barbaric moors in the "whatever-noone cares" century.


....Yes I like history.

No, they are not the same, infidel!
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/ustwo151/DOGCAT.jpg

J/K!


http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/Smilies%20and%20animated%20stuff/smiley_couchfire.gif

One good thing I can think of Spain atm is that you fought off vicious barbaric moors in the "whatever-noone cares" century.


....Yes I like history.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii96/Narhaniel/Cat%20emotions/1180461754418.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii96/Narhaniel/Cat%20emotions/1180461754418.jpg

ROFL

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii96/Narhaniel/Cat%20emotions/1180461754418.jpg

Faggotry your FACE!

I think that most Nation States cause harm harm than good.

Plus Britney Spears is from the US. Sorry guys but, really I will never recover.:(

may I remind you that the Brits fired the first shot with the Spice Girls.

Faggotry your FACE!

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc244/markcruiser64/animated%20GIFs/cat.gif
Your outburst is needless.

oh god...the topic turned NSG into 4chan....

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc244/markcruiser64/animated%20GIFs/cat.gif
Your outburst is needless.

I'm scared.

I'm scared.

I´m unimpressed...

I´m unimpressed...

Your FACE is unimpressed. :D

Your FACE is unimpressed. :D

Kontor... seriously...;)

Kontor... seriously...;)

;) Anyway, back on topic, America is generally good.

;) Anyway, back on topic, America is generally good.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/diamondgirl037/untitled-6.jpg
ROFL!!!!!

America has it´s perks and it´s bad things, like any other country.;)

I'm scared.

I´m unimpressed...

Hi scared, Hi Unimpressed, I'm Junii. :D

Hi scared, Hi Unimpressed, I'm Junii. :D

Hi junii.

Hi scared, Hi Unimpressed, I'm Junii. :D

Hi, JuNii.:p

Best thing to come out of the US- cheeseburgers.
Worst thing to come out of the US- everything else.:D

I declare myself a cheeseburger!
*heads to Spain*

Yes... she does... she´s the Bag Murderer.
(Why the frigg am I talking on the third person?)

Its what crazy people do...


¡Mis pantalones locos son muy fuertes!

That would be a phrase courtesy of one of my friends.

Your FACE is beautiful. :D

Fixed

And then when you pair her with 50 Cent.... why US, why do you hate us so? What did we ever do to you. I mean I'm sorry about Celine Dion but we had to get rid of her somehow.:(

Apologies will get you nothing, I'm afraid. Do you think this is just about music, you poor naive fool? No! It is about something much greater than that.

Consider first, if you will, that Britain fired the first shot at this proverbial Lexington with the Spice Girls. Oh, they'll tell you that they genuinely like them but there was a deeper plot. It's true I'm afraid, that Britian was looking to regain the original thirteen colonies. We've been warring ever since.

Never heard of him. In fact, I only know a very little group of stars, probably less than you.

To be fair, he is pretty well-known.

oh god...the topic turned NSG into 4chan....

Nothing could be farther from the truth. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)

Well, it's says bad things about the people who are known sure. But, power is power is power. I have never heard of ONE spanish star, can you say the same of our American stars?

Antonio Banderas

S'alright. Could be a lot better. Could be a bit worse.

I live here and I personally believe the usefullness of the U.S. has passed. It served it's purpose and now it's done. It now serves to spread pride and greed across the globe, gathering in it's seething footsteps. It's time for a revolution and a rebirth.

I'd say, the US as a whole has done alot of both, i can't say which outwieghs the other.
In order to do that you'd need information about, all it's people, it's culture, it's government, it's crime, it's health, it's foreign affairs, and compare them to other countries and probably some more things too. This task would take a very long time.

WWI and WWII. Before America, both were pretty much at a stalemate. Britain had Germany countered at every move, but didn't have enough to make a push. (Then you could technically argue Japan did, but America did do all of the reaction on it's own).

Yes, America's screwed up sometimes. Vietnam, had it been handled correctly, could have actually turned out quite well. Iraqs not turning out that bad in the scheme of things, if you really look at it - we didn't put in a puppet President, because the guy America wanted wasn't elected.

America does a lot of good for the world. Government sponsored and Civilian sponsored foreign aid to Africa and Asia.

America has it's ups and downs. However, unlike everyone else, America gets a lot more blame for everything because we've got a giant, tech'd up Military, which translates into power, and the people with the most power are watched the most, and every little slip up is called out.
It's like politics. Those who have the most power, like world leaders, are chastized the most.

Halcyon Forces<fixed>

EDIT: that's cool, never mind. you know you can preview your messages here before you post them, this helps for noticing errors etc.

Sorry, in another forum I usually go to, Size 10 is the roughly the same as Size 1 here.

WWI and WWII. Before America, both were pretty much at a stalemate. Britain had Germany countered at every move, but didn't have enough to make a push. (Then you could technically argue Japan did, but America did do all of the reaction on it's own).

Yes, America's screwed up sometimes. Vietnam, had it been handled correctly, could have actually turned out quite well. Iraqs not turning out that bad in the scheme of things, if you really look at it - we didn't put in a puppet President, because the guy America wanted wasn't elected.

America does a lot of good for the world. Government sponsored and Civilian sponsored foreign aid to Africa and Asia.

America has it's ups and downs. However, unlike everyone else, America gets a lot more blame for everything because we've got a giant, tech'd up Military, which translates into power, and the people with the most power are watched the most, and every little slip up is called out.
It's like politics. Those who have the most power, like world leaders, are chastized the most.

How about reducing your font size Halcyon?

NVM, you fixed it...

Total history: option a.
Recent history: option b.

Due to the general nature of your poll, I selected A.

Simple question, and while yes, there are ares of grey, it is a question of proportion.

Does the good outweigh the bad, or does the bad outweigh the good?

Explain your answer, if you wish...

Well, I like Canada, and I've always been rather fascinated by Peru and Chile.
So, yes, I like America.
Not sure what you mean by what's good or bad about the continents, though? I mean, is Asia good or bad? :confused:

I declare myself a cheeseburger!
*heads to Spain*

*eats Dyakovo burger*
http://www.steelcityderbydemons.com/images/p-cheeseburger.gif

Its what crazy people do...


¡Mis pantalones locos son muy fuertes!

That would be a phrase courtesy of one of my friends.


Yeah, must be that.

Your crazy pants are very strong?! Nani?:confused:

A courtesy phrase eh? Care to explain why to me? xD

Let me remind everyone, before voting:

Neil Young was Canadian, not American - not our fault. :p

Keep Neil Young, we've got THE BOSS!

...

*hides copy of After the Gold Rush*

Let me remind everyone, before voting:

Neil Young was Canadian, not American - not our fault. :p

So is Dane Cook and Celene Dion.

http://www.tonidunlap.com/pumpkin_pie.jpg

I like pie. I hope everyone else likes pie. Pie will bring us world peace and harmony.

the dominance of pseudo-conservatism and the usurpation of the political proccess by a corporatocracy difficult to distinguish from more common forms of organized crime, has rendered today's america an utter pariah.

i'm not talking about 'satans', great or small, but about real affects of real policies on real people, places and things.

both internationally and domesticly as well.

one can argue both that there have been some bennifits, and that there have been worse international behaviors by other nations in the past, perhapse even currently. yet none have ever been as powerful and far reaching in the negativeness of their influence and even outright bullying.

=^^=
.../\...

If I could have sex with one country, it would be America...even if it was a man. :fluffle:

I think Chavez is doing a great job.

i say more bad then good lets see where should i start.

american revolution(brittish) countless deaths and coutless displacements of Native American's to form the wonderful "freecoutnry" of american.

then the american civil war. yet more deaths,displacments of native americans etc rape burning pilliging all loads of stuff.

hmm
WW something bombing of hirosima(sp) ended the war yes killed whole shit loads of innocents last time i checked i dont see the japanese doing that to innocents.

be honest the US is a superpower, and everyone hates a superpower,:mad: i mean everyone hated the british when it had her empire and the French e.t.c.











p.s america's time is over, be very afraid

hmm
WW something bombing of hirosima(sp) ended the war yes killed whole shit loads of innocents last time i checked i dont see the japanese doing that to innocents.

roflcopter!

The USA is OK. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is Ethiopia and 10 is Norway, I'd give it a 6.5. Maybe a 7.

be honest the US is a superpower, and everyone hates a superpower, i mean everyone hated the british when it had her empire and the French e.t.c.

and don't forget: each gave everyone a damd good reason to. america is no exception to that either.

=^^=
.../\...

WW something bombing of hirosima(sp) ended the war yes killed whole shit loads of innocents last time i checked i dont see the japanese doing that to innocents.

I'd be real careful saying that around any native Chinese or Koreans, if I were you.

hmm
WW something bombing of hirosima(sp) ended the war yes killed whole shit loads of innocents last time i checked i dont see the japanese doing that to innocents.

You've never heard about the japanese "doing that to innocents" ?...

One good thing I can think of Spain atm is that you fought off vicious barbaric moors in the "whatever-noone cares" century.


....Yes I like history.

I'm assuming that you were being sarcastic?
In the early-mid medieval period - the time when the Spanish (and the Portuguese) were fighting the Moors in Iberia, the Islamic nations at the time were far more advanced and cultured than the Christian nations of the time. They suffered Crusades in the Holy Land and were forced out of Iberia by the late 15th century. Despite this, they were generally more tolerant of other religions than the Christians at the time.
Plus, the Spanish forcing the Moors out of Iberia more or less led to the Inquisition, which is justly infamous.

On the topic of the thread, though, I think it's safe to say that any country which is in a position of power will do more harm than good. Colonial Spain, Napoleon's France, the British Empire, the Soviet Union and the USA, all were superpowers at some time, and weren't exactly lovely to the world at large.
Unfortunately, that's Human Nature - everyone wants more than their share, and those with the power can get it.
One thing I will say is that the USA in the last 20 or so years seems to have learned little from it's past, and is still very hypocritical about it's aims.

This thread is WAY too general.

Isn't that why it's here?

I think Chavez is doing a great job.

If what you mean by "great job" he is an insane cry-baby, then yes, I agree.

I'm assuming that you were being sarcastic?



No, he wasnt. Thats the best part. Hes one of those who believes that if its not western and christian it is teh ebil.

No, he wasnt. Thats the best part. Hes one of those who believes that if its not western and christian it is teh ebil.

....and you're one of those that believes that if it IS Western and Christian it's "teh ebil".


Edit: I don't really believe that only anything out of Europe was good and everywhere else was bad. All cultures have some good and some bad, its not only Christians who can be wrong, deal with it. You and your generalizing strawmen best leave this area before you embarass yourself some more.

....and you're one of those that believes that if it IS Western and Christian it's "teh ebil".

No, Im someone who recognizes that everyone sucks or has the potential to suck.

Just like everyone has the potential to be enlightened or virtuous.


Your characterization of the Moors as barbarians, especially when compared to Christian Medieval Europe, shows you know jack about history.

....and you're one of those that believes that if it IS Western and Christian it's "teh ebil".

No. I think what we are, compared to you, people who know that the one thing that is black and white is that virtually nothing is black and white. Least of all anything involving humanity.

WW something bombing of hirosima(sp) ended the war yes killed whole shit loads of innocents last time i checked i dont see the japanese doing that to innocents.

If I've correctly pulled your meaning out of that compost pile of verbiage, all I have to do to counter your erroneous statement is mention the Rape of Nanking, or the Bataan Death March.

As for America, there's nowhere else in the world I'd rather live than right here.

America is awesome :D Its my second favourite country in the world, I have a 5'3' Star Spangled Banner on my wall... I think its obvious what I voted for.


WW something bombing of hirosima(sp) ended the war yes killed whole shit loads of innocents last time i checked i dont see the japanese doing that to innocents.

Ok, on behalf of my relatives who suffered under the Japanese, why don't you go read a fucking history book on the Great Pacific War before you make uneducated comments on Japanese conduct of war?

Nanking Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre)
Manila Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre)
Sook Ching Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sook_Ching_massacre)
Changjiao Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changjiao_massacre)
UNIT SEVEN THIRTY FUCKING ONE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
Sandakan Death Marches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandakan_Death_Marches) <- This happened in my state, I've seen the fucking memorial.

Yes, these are only wiki links, and yes, they're only a fraction of Japanese crimes committed. Its not hard to find information on these outside of wikipedia, either in books or on the internet.

America is awesome :D Its my second favourite country in the world, I have a 5'3' Star Spangled Banner on my wall... I think its obvious what I voted for.



Ok, on behalf of my relatives who suffered under the Japanese, why don't you go read a fucking history book on the Great Pacific War before you make uneducated comments on Japanese conduct of war?

Nanking Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre)
Manila Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre)
Sook Ching Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sook_Ching_massacre)
Changjiao Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changjiao_massacre)
UNIT SEVEN THIRTY FUCKING ONE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
Sandakan Death Marches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandakan_Death_Marches) <- This happened in my state, I've seen the fucking memorial.

Yes, these are only wiki links, and yes, they're only a fraction of Japanese crimes committed. Its not hard to find information on these outside of wikipedia, either in books or on the internet.

I'm sorry for your family and what they had to go through. :(

You and your generalizing strawmen best leave this area before you embarass yourself some more.

Pot, kettle, black.

ze french had an empire when was this ?!?!?

hahahah funeist thing i have ever heard lol

ze french had an empire when was this ?!?!?

hahahah funeist thing i have ever heard lol

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_French_Empire
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/frnc-emp.htm


Ignorance Alert. For starters, ever heard of Napoleon?

Ignorance alert.

I have to agree with you on this one.

Yeah, must be that.

Your crazy pants are very strong?! Nani?:confused:

A courtesy phrase eh? Care to explain why to me? xD

It just seemed appropriate...

One of my friends taught me that phrase Saturday night...
Yes, it was done entirely without the translator.

And yes they are. :D

ze french had an empire when was this ?!?!?

hahahah funeist thing i have ever heard lol

So the name Napoleon Bonaparte and the presence of French colonies around the world, and even the fact that, after English, the foreign language most prominently spoken in a place as far away from France as Japan is French -- none of that means anything?

Yes, the French had an Empire, and no it wasn't that long ago. Please, for the love of all that's good and holy, read something besides Chick tracts and your Kenner My First ASV* Bible


(*American Superiority Version)

ze french had an empire when was this ?!?!?

hahahah funeist thing i have ever heard lol

Sure, the French are wussies NOW, but they used to be a vicious and unstoppable empire.

WW something bombing of hirosima(sp) ended the war yes killed whole shit loads of innocents last time i checked i dont see the japanese doing that to innocents.

I'd be real careful saying that around any native Chinese or Koreans, if I were you.

Ok, on behalf of my relatives who suffered under the Japanese, why don't you go read a fucking history book on the Great Pacific War before you make uneducated comments on Japanese conduct of war?

Nanking Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre)
Manila Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre)
Sook Ching Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sook_Ching_massacre)
Changjiao Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changjiao_massacre)
UNIT SEVEN THIRTY FUCKING ONE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731)
Sandakan Death Marches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandakan_Death_Marches) <- This happened in my state, I've seen the fucking memorial.

Yes, these are only wiki links, and yes, they're only a fraction of Japanese crimes committed. Its not hard to find information on these outside of wikipedia, either in books or on the internet.

That didn't take long, did it?

Sure, the French are wussies NOW, but they used to be a vicious and unstoppable empire.

Uh...close enough. I would think that the French grew out of colonialism and got on with life.

We at least do strive for better. :)

Does America strive to be better, though, or has it sedated itself with consummerism and allowed eegeits to take the show over and run it for profit?

I mean, partiotism is fun and all and there are definitely individuals in America that do strive to make it perfect (Obama 08...), but I think most Americans, like most human beings, don't really care if their country/world is perfect, as long as they're free to eat tasty food whilst their cable TV washes over them. I mean, look at all of us. We're wasting time on an online forum, for goodness sake, and some of us aren't even posting!

(I don't think that this laziness is mankind's natural disposition, btw, I just think that our greed-driven global culture has made it seem like it is.)

well thoses coutnries do that to there own people this is bad but not as bad as another coutnry killing MILLIONS of innocents to end a war.....

well after reading through posts etc reading up history i am mistaken a bit by i stil stand by my point that the founding of america killed millions the civil war more ww something more inncoecnts in every war americas been it shitloads of innocents have died on america's part sure every does it but the point is america does it and acts like they "had: too and pretends they have a clean consience while doing it ......

sure other countries do it but not on americ's scale........
consitution equal rights etc still didnt stop the land steal and stuff of the natives sure it help but it still continued.

americas helped people no doubt but it has also done alot more in terms of badness

well thoses coutnries do that to there own people this is bad but not as bad as another coutnry killing MILLIONS of innocents to end a war.....

You really think that's unique? The earlier suggestion was a good one: read a fucking history book.

If we're gonna go for the culture slant that some people did..

America = birthplace of jazz. Beat that, ho.

Plus, skiffle (the British genre that the Beatles -among other first wave British Invasion bands- started in) has it's roots in American folk musics (like blues).

Oh yeah- THE BLUES. If it hadn't been for Robert Johnson, who would have inspired The Rolling Stones or Eric Clapton?

We also can claim John Phillip Sousa- not for his marches (sorry, they're fun to play but can get bland), mostly cause I think the sousaphone is the most ridiculously fun instrument. (Not that I'm good. I think it's fun BECAUSE I'm not good.)

We also can claim Victor Wooten, one of the best bassists alive. (And member of Bela Fleck & the Flecktones.)

If we're going to talk about wars and grief.. no country can really throw stones. So while we've made (are making) mistakes, so have other countries. Doesn't make any of them right.

Maybe America has caused more good than harm.

And Germany has caused more harm than good.

But that's old history, baby! Today the roles have reversed. And no good deeds in history allow any nation to place itself before others.

If by "to the world" the OP meant "the world outside the USA", I'd say generally more bad than good.
Neo-imperialism, doublethink foreign policies, war-on-terror thingy etc are typical examples of stupid policies, expecially dangerous when enacted by a superpower.