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One thing I have changed my view on since coming on NSG is torture. I used to support doing it on terrorists to gain information. With the help of some posters and logic however, I realized that we would be no better than them if we did so.


Just my little spiel.

*tortures Kontor*

*tortures Kontor*

:(

:(

I'm sure it's just his way of saying hi...

Kinky torture or non-kinky torture?

Kinky torture or non-kinky torture?

Non-kinky, kinky is OK in my book. ;)

:(

What are you complaining about, the nation of New Manvir doesn't torture anyone...

<.< >.>

*sends Kontor to Gitmo*

One thing I have changed my view on since coming on NSG is torture. I used to support doing it on terrorists to gain information. With the help of some posters and logic however, I realized that we would be no better than them if we did so.


Just my little spiel.

NSG is Mr. Miyagi to your Daniel Larusso.

good. glad to hear that.
Just to pre-empt anyone who's gonna disagree- there are 2 FACTS about currently employed torture methods- employed by developed nations, that is-
1) it has as great a negative effect on the victim as techniques such as nail and tooth pulling, beating, etc, etc.
2) it has never been shown to actually give results, and it seems likely that it gets no better results, or maybe even worse, than interrogation techniques other than torture.
Yes, these come from reliable scientific sources.

Torture is one tool that should be used when needed.

Torture is one tool that should be used when needed.

Yeah, when you've been a naughty, naughty boy and need a spanking to keep you in line...

NSG is Mr. Miyagi to your Daniel Larusso.

That's a lame analogy...NSG isn't Mr. Miyagi...

You should have said:

NSG is Yoda to Kontor's Luke Skywalker

OR

NSG is Master Splinter to Kontor's Ninja Turtles

*nods*

Yeah, when you've been a naughty, naughty boy and need a spanking to keep you in line...

;) I've been a naughty naughty boy....

;) I've been a naughty naughty boy....

Then we have no choice but to send you to the mistress for proper dicipline.

Kinky torture or non-kinky torture?

Ooh, I like the way you think.:D
Torture is barbaric practice. It´s a pity that it´s still practiced today to deal with terrorists and prisoners of war, or government enemies.

NSG works wonders sometimes. It's amazing how many people we've turned to the dark side.

*tortures Kontor*

*untortures Kontor*

NSG works wonders sometimes. It's amazing how many people we've turned to the dark side.

Darkside? That isn't anything compaired to the power of the PINK side!

Darkside? That isn't anything compaired to the power of the PINK side!

Boooooo! I hate PINK. Can it be Purple?

Boooooo! I hate PINK. Can it be Purple?

Even better, purple is like pink, only good.

Even better, purple is like pink, only good.

So, is Pink the new purple and the new black all combined?

So, is Pink the new purple and the new black all combined?

No, purple is the new everything, forever. FTW!!!!!

No, purple is the new everything, for ever. FTW!!!!!

Ok, ok. Thanks.:p

No, purple is the new everything, forever. FTW!!!!!

You should come to the Spam Side.

Torture? You mean making them eat tofu everyday for every meal indefinitely?

My, that breaks half a dozen international treaties! :gundge:

*untortures Kontor*

If you do that the terrorists win. Why do you hate freedom?

If you do that the terrorists win. Why do you hate freedom?

Because you touch yourself at night.
Because he hates America.
Because your mom.
Because that's what she said.
Because he touches himself at night.

Take your pick.

One thing I have changed my view on since coming on NSG is torture. I used to support doing it on terrorists to gain information. With the help of some posters and logic however, I realized that we would be no better than them if we did so.


Just my little spiel.

I'm begining to find it hard to believe so many posters have recently been convinced by simple rational morality and logic... what's going on here?

I'm begining to find it hard to believe so many posters have recently been convinced by simple rational morality and logic... what's going on here?

*whistles innocently*

*whistles innocently*

I refuse to believe they were convinced by pie throwing, either :p

Torture is one tool that should be used when needed.

Torture is an ineffective tool that yields the misinformation the victim thinks will get the torturers to stop.

Torture is an ineffective tool that tarnishes the US reputation and makes the war on terror harder to be won.

Torture is an ineffective tool that goes against everything your country claims to believe in.

And yet you call yourself such a patriot that you're willing to sell the soul of your nation, along with its security, just so you can see other people being hurt.

I refuse to believe they were convinced by pie throwing, either :p

Do not underestimate the powers of silliness. http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/pie.gif

Do not underestimate the powers of silliness. http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/pie.gif

Don't overestimate the powers of silliness when you face Vulcans or the Nashi...

Boooooo! I hate PINK. Can it be Purple?

Still being hypocritical about color I see... ;)

Still being hypocritical about color I see... ;)

Bastard stole my idea.

Bastard stole my idea.

:D

Torture is one tool that should be used when needed.

Human beings are not "tools."

:D

I lost the game.

And so have you.

Bastard.

Torture is one tool that should be used when needed.Human beings are not "tools."

:confused:

Human beings are not "tools."

What if we like being a tool?

Still being hypocritical about color I see... ;)

Yes, me no like-a pink.:D

Yes, me no like-a pink.:D

And yet your messages keep showing up pink...
;)

OK, I'll stop after this one

And yet your messages keep showing up pink...
;)

OK, I'll stop after this one

*bags Dyakovo, hauls him out the door and tosses him down the nearest canal*

There you go. Go keep JuNii some company, will ya?;)

*bags Dyakovo, hauls him out the door and tosses him down the nearest canal*

There you go. Go keep JuNii some company, will ya?;)

Blurb!*

*translation: help I can't swim!

Blurb!*

*translation: help I can't swim!

Nah. NVM. JuNii just got out. He swam, while in the sack (which is impressive) and came back.:p

Nah. NVM. JuNii just got out. He swam, while in the sack (which is impressive) and came back.:p

*gets pulled back out*
*realizes hands are unstuck*
:(

Blurb!*

*translation: help I can't swim!

Sucks to be you.

One thing I have changed my view on since coming on NSG is torture. I used to support doing it on terrorists to gain information. With the help of some posters and logic however, I realized that we would be no better than them if we did so.


Just my little spiel.

Well said.

Although you can see the reasons for, it is far too open to abuse.

Well, it is abuse.

torture the world.

torture is good for police work in interrogation rooms.

torture the world.

torture is good for police work in interrogation rooms.

:confused:

Viva la public display of personnal evolution! Viva!

torture the world.

torture is good for police work in interrogation rooms.

Someone's kinky.

:confused:

To use torture as a tool is necessarily to use a human being as a tool. It is, after all, torture of someone.

To use torture as a tool is necessarily to use a human being as a tool. It is, after all, torture of someone.

*tortures Soheran with HSH*

What if we like being a tool?

If we are going back to 50's terminology, can we be squares too?

What if we like being a tool?

You don't have a choice in the matter Rhyno. ;)

This thread is going WAY off course. This thread should be about how awesome purple is and always will be. :p

This thread is going WAY off course. This thread should be about how awesome purple is and always will be. :p

*tortures Kontor with the lack of purple in the thread*
*and with Rhyno, 'cause he's a tool*

*tortures Kontor with the lack of purple in the thread*
*and with Rhyno, 'cause he's a tool*

Aggghhhhhh!!! You animal!

This thread is going WAY off course. This thread should be about how awesome purple is and always will be. :p

Well, Kontor, I regret to inform you that now it seems to be about tools...:p

Well, Kontor, I regret to inform you that now it seems to be about tools...:p

:(....Wait, you mean the 50's version of nerds or real tools?? :confused:

Well, Kontor, I regret to inform you that now it seems to be about tools...:p

Specifically Rhyno...

'cause not only is he a tool, he's a pink one at that...

:(....Wait, you mean the 50's version of nerds or real tools?? :confused:

The nerd variation would will only work if you think Rhyno´s a nerd. LOL! As for real tools, well, Dyakovo´s torturing you with some...:D

The nerd variation would will only work if you think Rhyno´s a nerd. LOL! As for real tools, well, Dyakovo´s torturing you with some...:D

:(...better be kinky tools....

:(...better be kinky tools....

Only what I have available...

The nerd variation would will only work if you think Rhyno´s a nerd. LOL! As for real tools, well, Dyakovo´s torturing you with some...:D

See my posts here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551075).

The Book of Erotic Fantasy has rules for this interaction.

See my posts here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551075).

The Book of Erotic Fantasy has rules for this interaction.

Well, Nanatsu, Rhyno has just proven that by most American definitions of a nerd he is indeed one...

Torture is barbaric practice. It´s a pity that it´s still practiced today to deal with terrorists and prisoners of war, or government enemies.

As opposed to killing large numbers of people?

As opposed to killing large numbers of people?

As long as you smile when you're doing it, its ok...

;)

Well, Nanatsu, Rhyno has just proven that by most American definitions of a nerd he is indeed one...

I rolled a 16 on my constitution save to see how long I last.

As long as you smile when you're doing it, its ok...

;)

Good to know. Btw, i'm moving to texas soon, anyone have a chainsaw?

non-kinky torture?

no such thing.

*flees*

One thing I have changed my view on since coming on NSG is torture. I used to support doing it on terrorists to gain information. With the help of some posters and logic however, I realized that we would be no better than them if we did so.


Just my little spiel.

I certainly don't object to torture on those grounds. In the interests of victory, any means that are permissable and possible should be used.

Rather, I would simply doubt the veracity of any information extracted via torture.

Because you touch yourself at night.
Because he hates America.
Because your mom.
Because that's what she said.
Because he touches himself at night.

Take your pick.

I'll take that one

I'll take that one

As a Canadian you'd know wouldn't you. ;)

As a Canadian you'd know wouldn't you. ;)

Oh, that reminds me.

I congratulate you on your change of heart. :)

See my posts here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551075).

The Book of Erotic Fantasy has rules for this interaction.

Not interested.;)

As opposed to killing large numbers of people?

There´s no way of making you happy, eh?:p
Killing large numbers of people, torture, war, genocide, you name it, are all bad.

I rolled a 16 on my constitution save to see how long I last.

*looks up on chart*
not very... sorry, DC was 20.

*tortures Soheran with HSH*

*tortures Kontor with the lack of purple in the thread*
*and with Rhyno, 'cause he's a tool*

:::Tortures Dyakovo with the CAT (http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html)::: (Now that's kinky...)

:::Tortures Dyakovo with the CAT (http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html)::: (Now that's kinky...)

I can haz kinky torshure too?
http://static.flickr.com/82/206950996_6719a967a9.jpg

I can haz kinky torshure too?
http://static.flickr.com/82/206950996_6719a967a9.jpg

:D

OK... (Remember, you asked for it...)

CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE (http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html)
and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

The States Parties to this Convention,

Considering that, in accordance with the principles proclaimed in the Charter of the United Nations, recognition of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Recognizing that those rights derive from the inherent dignity of the human person,

Considering the obligation of States under the Charter, in particular Article 55, to promote universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms,
Having regard to article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and article 7 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, both of which provide that no one may be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment,

Having regard also to the Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Being Subjected to Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, adopted by the General Assembly on 9 December 1975 (resolution 3452 (XXX)),

Desiring to make more effective the struggle against torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment throughout the world,

Have agreed as follows:

Part I
Article 1

1. For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
2. This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.

Article 2

1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.

Article 3

1. No State Party shall expel, return ("refouler") or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture.
2. For the purpose of determining whether there are such grounds, the competent authorities shall take into account all relevant considerations including, where applicable, the existence in the State concerned of a consistent pattern of gross, flagrant or mass violations of human rights.

Article 4

1. Each State Party shall ensure that all acts of torture are offences under its criminal law. The same shall apply to an attempt to commit torture and to an act by any person which constitutes complicity or participation in torture.
2. Each State Party shall make these offences punishable by appropriate penalties which take into account their grave nature.

Article 5

1. Each State Party shall take such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offences referred to in article 4 in the following cases:
1. When the offences are committed in any territory under its jurisdiction or on board a ship or aircraft registered in that State;
2. When the alleged offender is a national of that State;
3. When the victim was a national of that State if that State considers it appropriate.
2. Each State Party shall likewise take such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over such offences in cases where the alleged offender is present in any territory under its jurisdiction and it does not extradite him pursuant to article 8 to any of the States mentioned in Paragraph 1 of this article.
3. This Convention does not exclude any criminal jurisdiction exercised in accordance with internal law.

Article 6

1. Upon being satisfied, after an examination of information available to it, that the circumstances so warrant, any State Party in whose territory a person alleged to have committed any offence referred to in article 4 is present, shall take him into custody or take other legal measures to ensure his presence. The custody and other legal measures shall be as provided in the law of that State but may be continued only for such time as is necessary to enable any criminal or extradition proceedings to be instituted.
2. Such State shall immediately make a preliminary inquiry into the facts.
3. Any person in custody pursuant to paragraph 1 of this article shall be assisted in communicating immediately with the nearest appropriate representative of the State of which he is a national, or, if he is a stateless person, to the representative of the State where he usually resides.
4. When a State, pursuant to this article, has taken a person into custody, it shall immediately notify the States referred to in article 5, paragraph 1, of the fact that such person is in custody and of the circumstances which warrant his detention. The State which makes the preliminary inquiry contemplated in paragraph 2 of this article shall promptly report its findings to the said State and shall indicate whether it intends to exercise jurisdiction.

Article 7

1. The State Party in territory under whose jurisdiction a person alleged to have committed any offence referred to in article 4 is found, shall in the cases contemplated in article 5, if it does not extradite him, submit the case to its competent authorities for the purpose of prosecution.
2. These authorities shall take their decision in the same manner as in the case of any ordinary offence of a serious nature under the law of that State. In the cases referred to in article 5, paragraph 2, the standards of evidence required for prosecution and conviction shall in no way be less stringent than those which apply in the cases referred to in article 5, paragraph 1.
3. Any person regarding whom proceedings are brought in connection with any of the offences referred to in article 4 shall be guaranteed fair treatment at all stages of the proceedings.

Article 8

1. The offences referred to in article 4 shall be deemed to be included as extraditable offences in any extradition treaty existing between States Parties. States Parties undertake to include such offences as extraditable offences in every extradition treaty to be concluded between them.
2. If a State Party which makes extradition conditional on the existence of a treaty receives a request for extradition from another State Party with which it has no extradition treaty, it may consider this Convention as the legal basis for extradition in respect of such offenses. Extradition shall be subject to the other conditions provided by the law of the requested State.
3. States Parties which do not make extradition conditional on the existence of a treaty shall recognize such offences as extraditable offences between themselves subject to the conditions provided by the law of the requested state.
4. Such offences shall be treated, for the purpose of extradition between States Parties, as if they had been committed not only in the place in which they occurred but also in the territories of the States required to establish their jurisdiction in accordance with article 5, paragraph 1.

Article 9

1. States Parties shall afford one another the greatest measure of assistance in connection with civil proceedings brought in respect of any of the offences referred to in article 4, including the supply of all evidence at their disposal necessary for the proceedings.
2. States Parties shall carry out their obligations under paragraph 1 of this article in conformity with any treaties on mutual judicial assistance that may exist between them.

Article 10

1. Each State Party shall ensure that education and information regarding the prohibition against torture are fully included in the training of law enforcement personnel, civil or military, medical personnel, public officials and other persons who may be involved in the custody, interrogation or treatment of any individual subjected to any form of arrest, detention or imprisonment.
2. Each State Party shall include this prohibition in the rules or instructions issued in regard to the duties and functions of any such persons.

Article 11
Each State Party shall keep under systematic review interrogation rules, instructions, methods and practices as well as arrangements for the custody and treatment of persons subjected to any form of arrest, detention or imprisonment in any territory under its jurisdiction, with a view to preventing any cases of torture.

Article 12
Each State Party shall ensure that its competent authorities proceed to a prompt and impartial investigation, wherever there is reasonable ground to believe that an act of torture has been committee in any territory under its jurisdiction.

Article 13
Each State Party shall ensure that any individual who alleges he has been subjected to torture in any territory under its jurisdiction has the right to complain to and to have his case promptly and impartially examined its competent authorities. Steps shall be taken to ensure that the complainant and witnesses are protected against all ill-treatment or intimidation as a consequence of his complaint or any evidence given.

Article 14

1. Each State Party shall ensure in its legal system that the victim of an act of torture obtains redress and has an enforceable right to fair and adequate compensation including the means for as full rehabilitation as possible. In the event of the death of the victim as a result of an act of torture, his dependents shall be entitled to compensation.
2. Nothing in this article shall affect any right of the victim or other person to compensation which may exist under national law.

Article 15
Each State Party shall ensure that any statement which is established to have been made as a result of torture shall not be invoked as evidence in any proceedings, except against a person accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made.

Article 16

1. Each State Party shall undertake to prevent in any territory under its jurisdiction other acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment which do not amount to torture as defined in article 1, when such acts are committed by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. In particular, the obligations contained in articles 10, 11, 12 and 13 shall apply with the substitution for references to torture or references to other forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
2. The provisions of this Convention are without prejudice to the provisions of any other international instrument or national law which prohibit cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment or which relate to extradition or expulsion.

Article 17

1. There shall be established a Committee against Torture (hereinafter referred to as the Committee) which shall carry out the functions hereinafter provided. The Committee shall consist of 10 experts of high moral standing and recognized competence in the field of human rights, who shall serve in their personal capacity. The experts shall be elected by the States Parties, consideration being given to equitable geographical distribution and to the usefulness of the participation of some persons having legal experience.
2. The members of the Committee shall be elected by secret ballot from a list of persons nominated by States Parties. Each State Party may nominate one person from among its own nationals. States Parties shall bear in mind the usefulness of nominating persons who are also members of the Human Rights Committee established under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and are willing to serve on the Committee against Torture.
3. Elections of the members of the Committee shall be held at biennial meetings of States Parties convened by the Secretary-General of the United Nations. At those meetings, for which two thirds of the States Parties shall constitute a quorum, the persons elected to the Committee shall be those who obtain the largest number of votes and an absolute majority of the votes of the representatives of States Parties present and voting.
4. The initial election shall be held no later than six months after the date of the entry into force of this Convention. At least four months before the date of each election, the Secretary-General of the United Nations shall address a letter to the States Parties inviting them to submit their nominations within three months. The Secretary-General shall prepare a list in alphabetical order of all persons thus nominated, indicating the States Parties which have nominated them, and shall submit it to the States Parties.
5. The members of the Committee shall be elected for a term of four years. They shall be eligible for re-election if renominated. However, the term of five of the members elected at the first election shall expire at the end of two years; immediately after the first election the names of these five members shall be chosen by lot by the chairman of the meeting referred to in paragraph 3.
6. If a member of the Committee dies or resigns or for any other cause can no longer perform his Committee duties, the State Party which nominated him shall appoint another expert from among its nationals to serve for the remainder of his term, subject to the approval of the majority of the States Parties. The approval shall be considered given unless half or more of the States Parties respond negatively within six weeks after having been informed by the Secretary-General of the United Nations of the proposed appointment.
7. States Parties shall be responsible for the expenses of the members of the Committee while they are in performance of Committee duties.

Article 18

1. The Committee shall elect its officers for a term of two years. They may be re-elected.
2. The Committee shall establish its own rules of procedure, but these rules shall provide, inter alia, that
1. Six members shall constitute a quorum;
2. Decisions of the Committee shall be made by a majority vote of the members present.
3. The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall provide the necessary staff and facilities for the effective performance of the functions of the Committee under this Convention.
4. The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall convene the initial meeting of the Committee. After its initial meeting, the Committee shall meet at such times as shall be provided in its rules of procedure.
5. The State Parties shall be responsible for expenses incurred in connection with the holding of meetings of the States Parties and of the Committee, including reimbursement of the United Nations for any expenses, such as the cost of staff and facilities, incurred by the United Nations pursuant to paragraph 3 above.

Article 19

1. The States Parties shall submit to the Committee, through the Secretary-General of the United Nations, reports on the measures they have taken to give effect to their undertakings under this Convention, within one year after the entry into force of this Convention for the State Party concerned. Thereafter the States Parties shall submit supplementary reports every four years on any new measures taken, and such other reports as the Committee may request.
2. The Secretary-General shall transmit the reports to all States Parties.
3. [Each report shall be considered by the Committee which may make such comments or suggestions on the report as it considers appropriate, and shall forward these to the State Party concerned. That State Party may respond with any observations it chooses to the Committee.
4. The Committee may, at its discretion, decide to include any comments or suggestions made by it in accordance with paragraph 3, together with the observations thereon received from the State Party concerned, in its annual report made in accordance with article 24. If so requested by the State Party concerned, the Committee may also include a copy of the report submitted under paragraph 1.]

Article 20

1. If the Committee receives reliable information which appears to it to contain well-founded indications that torture is being systematically practised in the territory of a State Party, the Committee shall invite that State Party to co-operate in the examination of the information and to this end to submit observations with regard to the information concerned.
2. Taking into account any observations which may have been submitted by the State Party concerned as well as any other relevant information available to it, the Committee may, if it decides that this is warranted, designate one or more of its members to make a confidential inquiry and to report to the Committee urgently.
3. If an inquiry is made in accordance with paragraph 2, the Committee shall seek the co-operation of the State Party concerned. In agreement with that State Party, such an inquiry may include a visit to its territory.
4. After examining the findings of its member or members submitted in accordance with paragraph 2, the Committee shall transmit these findings to the State Party concerned together with any comments or suggestions which seem appropriate in view of the situation.
5. All the proceedings of the Committee referred to in paragraphs 1 to 4 of this article shall be confidential, and at all stages of the proceedings the co-operation of the State Party shall be sought. After such proceedings have been completed with regard to an inquiry made in accordance with paragraph 2, the Committee may, after consultations with the State Party concerned, decide to include a summary account of the results of the proceedings in its annual report made in accordance with article 24.

Article 21

1. A State Party to this Convention may at any time declare under this article 3 that it recognizes the competence of the Committee to receive and consider communications to the effect that a State Party claims that another State Party is not fulfilling its obligations under this Convention. Such communications may be received and considered according to the procedures laid down in this article only if submitted by a State Party which has made a declaration recognizing in regard to itself the competence of the Committee. No communication shall be dealt with by the Committee under this article if it concerns a State Party which has not made such a declaration. Communications received under this article shall be dealt with in accordance with the following procedure:
1. If a State Party considers that another State Party is not giving effect to the provisions of this Convention, it may, by written communication, bring the matter to the attention of that State Party. Within three months after the receipt of the communication the receiving State shall afford the State which sent the communication an explanation or any other statement in writing clarifying the matter which should include, to the extent possible and pertinent, references to domestic procedures and remedies taken, pending, or available in the matter.
2. If the matter is not adjusted to the satisfaction of both States Parties concerned within six months after the receipt by the receiving State of the initial communication, either State shall have the right to refer the matter to the Committee by notice given to the Committee and to the other State.
3. The Committee shall deal with a matter referred to it under this article only after it has ascertained that all domestic remedies have been invoked and exhausted in the matter, in conformity with the generally recognized principles of international law. This shall not be the rule where the application of the remedies is unreasonably prolonged or is unlikely to bring effective relief to the person who is the victim of the violation of this Convention.
4. The Committee shall hold closed meetings when examining communications under this article.
5. Subject to the provisions of subparagraph (c), the Committee shall make available its good offices to the States Parties concerned with a view to a friendly solution of the matter on the basis of respect for the obligations provided for in the present Convention. For this purpose, the Committee may, when appropriate, set up an ad hoc conciliation commission.
6. In any matter referred to it under this article, the Committee may call upon the States Parties concerned, referred to in subparagraph (b), to supply any relevant information.
7. The States Parties concerned, referred to in subparagraph (b), shall have the right to be represented when the matter is being considered by the Committee and to make submissions orally and/or in writing.
8. The Committee shall, within 12 months after the date of receipt of notice under subparagraph (b), submit a report.
1. If a solution within the terms of subparagraph (e) is reached, the Committee shall confine its report to a brief statement of the facts and of the solution reached.
2. If a solution within the terms of subparagraph (e) is not reached, the Committee shall confine its report to a brief statement of the facts; the written submissions and record of the oral submissions made by the States Parties concerned shall be attached to the report.
In every matter, the report shall be communicated to the States Parties concerned.

2. The provisions of this article shall come into force when five States Parties to this Convention have made declarations under paragraph 1 of this article. Such declarations shall be deposited by the States Parties with the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who shall transmit copies thereof to the other States Parties. A declaration may be withdrawn at any time by notification to the Secretary-General. Such a withdrawal shall not prejudice the consideration of any matter which is the subject of a communication already transmitted under this article; no further communication by any State Party shall be received under this article after the notification of withdrawal of the declaration has been received by the Secretary-General, unless the State Party concerned has made a new declaration.

Article 22

1. A State Party to this Convention may at any time declare under this article that it recognizes the competence of the Committee to receive and consider communications from or on behalf of individuals subject to its jurisdiction who claim to be victims of a violation by a State Party of the provisions of the Convention. No communication shall be received by the Committee if it concerns a State Party to the Convention which has not made such a declaration.
2. The Committee shall consider inadmissible any communication under this article which is anonymous, or which it considers to be an abuse of the right of submission of such communications or to be incompatible with the provisions of this Convention.
3. Subject to the provisions of paragraph 2, the Committee shall bring any communication submitted to it under this article to the attention of the State Party to this Convention which has made a declaration under paragraph 1 and is alleged to be violating any provisions of the Convention. Within six months, the receiving State shall submit to the Committee written explanations or statements clarifying the matter and the remedy, if any, that may have been taken by that State.
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1. The same matter has not been, and is not being examined under another procedure of international investigation or settlement;
2. The individual has exhausted all available domestic remedies; this shall not be the rule where the application of the remedies is unreasonably prolonged or is unlikely to bring effective relief to the person who is the victim of the violation of this Convention.
6. The Committee shall hold closed meetings when examining communications under this article.
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8. The provisions of this article shall come into force when five States Parties to this Convention have made declarations under paragraph 1 of this article. Such declarations shall be deposited by the States Parties with the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who shall transmit parties thereof to the other States Parties. A declaration may be withdrawn at any time by notification to the Secretary-General. Such a withdrawal shall not prejudice the consideration of any matter which is the subject of a communication already transmitted under this article; no further communication by or on behalf of an individual shall be received under this article after the notification of withdrawal of the declaration has been received by the Secretary-General, unless the State Party concerned has made a new declaration.

Article 23
The members of the Committee, and of the ad hoc conciliation commissions which may be appointed under article 21, paragraph 1 (e), shall be entitled to the facilities, privileges and immunities of experts on missions for the United Nations as laid down in the relevant sections of the Convention on the Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations.

Article 24
The Committee shall submit an annual report on its activities under this Convention to the States Parties and to the General Assembly of the United Nations.

Part III
Article 25

1. This Convention is open for signature by all States.
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Article 26
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Article 27

1. This Convention shall enter into force on the thirtieth day after the date of the deposit with the Secretary-General of the United Nations of the twentieth instrument of ratification or accession.
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Article 28

1. Each State may, at the time of signature or ratification of this Convention or accession thereto, declare that it does not recognize the competence of the Committee provided for in article 20.
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1. Any State Party to this Convention may propose an amendment and file it with the Secretary-General of the United Nations. The Secretary-General shall thereupon communicate the proposed amendment to the States Parties to this Convention with a request that they notify him whether they favour a conference of States Parties for the purpose of considering and voting upon the proposal. In the event that within four months from the date of such communication at least one third of the State Parties favours such a conference, the Secretary-General shall convene the conference under the auspices of the United Nations. Any amendment adopted by a majority of the States Parties present and voting at the conference shall be submitted by the Secretary-General to all the States Parties for acceptance.
2. An amendment adopted in accordance with paragraph 1 shall enter into force when two thirds of the States Parties to this Convention have notified the Secretary-General of the United Nations that they have accepted it in accordance with their respective constitutional processes.
3. When amendments enter into force, they shall be binding on those States Parties which have accepted them, other States Parties still being bound by the provisions of this Convention and any earlier amendments which they have accepted.

Article 30

1. Any dispute between two or more States Parties concerning the interpretation or application of this Convention which cannot be settled through negotiation, shall, at the request of one of them, be submitted to arbitration. If within six months from the date of the request for arbitration the Parties are unable to agree on the organization of the arbitration, any one of those Parties may refer the dispute to the International Court of Justice by request in conformity with the Statute of the Court.
2. Each State may at the time of signature or ratification of this Convention or accession thereto, declare that it does not consider itself bound by the preceding paragraph. The other States Parties shall not be bound by the preceding paragraph with respect to any State Party having made such a reservation.
3. Any State Party having made a reservation in accordance with the preceding paragraph may at any time withdraw this reservation by notification to the Secretary-General of the United Nations.

Article 31

1. A State Party may denounce this Convention by written notification to the Secretary-General of the United Nations. Denunciation becomes effective one year after the date of receipt of the notification by the Secretary-General.
2. Such a denunciation shall not have the effect of releasing the State Party from its obligations under this Convention in regard to any act or omission which occurs prior to the date at which the denunciation becomes effective. Nor shall denunciation prejudice in any way the continued consideration of any matter which is already under consideration by the Committee prior to the date at which the denunciation becomes effective.
3. Following the date at which the denunciation of a State Party becomes effective, the Committee shall not commence consideration of any new matter regarding that State.

Article 32
The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall inform all members of the United Nations and all States which have signed this Convention or acceded to it, or the following particulars:

1. Signatures, ratifications and accessions under articles 25 and 26;
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3. Denunciations under article 31.

Article 33

1. This Convention, of which the Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited in the archives of the United Nations.
2. The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall transmit certified copies of this Convention to all States.

Torture needs to be used on reactionaries and capitalists.

Torture needs to be used on reactionaries and capitalists.

......

......

Reactionary...

Torture needs to be used on reactionaries and capitalists.

Torture needs to be used on radicals and communists.

:)

Guys, that is not (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13549200&postcount=3) Andaras.

Guys, that is not (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13549200&postcount=3) Andaras.

Ok.

*looks up on chart*
not very... sorry, DC was 20.

It's ok, I rolled really well on my dex check.

It's ok, I rolled really well on my dex check.

ok... that a bonus... but we need a performance roll... you play any instruments? that might give a synergistic bonus...

woodwinds... string instruments requiring complex finger movements? things like that...

I'm sure it's just his way of saying hi...

Didn't specify if it was kink/sex/tickle torture, neither.

Daistallia,
I think Nanatsu wanted this instead...

CONVENSHUN AGAINST TORCHUR
AN OTHR CRUEL, INHUMAN OR DEGRADIN TREATMENT OR PUNISHMENT

TEH STATEZ PARTIEZ 2 DIS CONVENSHUN,

CONSIDERIN DAT, IN ACCORDANCE WIF TEH PRINCIPLEZ PROCLAIMD IN DA CHARTR OV TEH UNITD NASHUNS, RECOGNISHUN OV TEH EQUAL AN INALIENABLE RIGHTS OV ALL MEMBERS OV TEH HOOMAN PPLZ IZ TEH FOUNDASHUN OV FREEDOM, JUSTICE AN PEACE IN DA WURLD,

RECOGNIZIN DAT DOSE RIGHTS DERIV FRUM TEH INHERENT DIGNITY OV TEH HOOMAN PERSON,

CONSIDERIN TEH OBLIGASHUN OV STATEZ UNDR TEH CHARTR, IN PARTICULAR ARTICLE 55, 2 PROMOTE UNIVERSAL RESPECT 4, AN OBSERVANCE OV, HOOMAN RIGHTS AN FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS,

HAVIN REGARD 2 ARTICLE 5 OV TEH UNIVERSAL DECLARASHUN OV HOOMAN RIGHTS AN ARTICLE 7 OV TEH INTERNASHUNAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AN POLITICAL RIGHTS, BOTH OV WHICH PROVIDE DAT NO WAN CUD BE SUBJECTD 2 TORCHUR OR 2 CRUEL, INHUMAN OR DEGRADIN TREATMENT OR PUNISHMENT,

HAVIN REGARD ALSO 2 TEH DECLARASHUN ON TEH PROTECSHUN OV ALL PERSONS FRUM BEAN SUBJECTD 2 TORCHUR AN OTHR CRUEL, INHUMAN OR DEGRADIN TREATMENT OR PUNISHMENT, ADOPTD BY TEH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON 9 DECEMBR 1975 (RESOLUSHUN 3452 (XXX)),

...

Daistallia,
I think Nanatsu wanted this instead...

Indeed. That's why I gave him the other instead... ("Beat me, beat me!" says the masochist. "No!" says the sadist.)

Indeed. That's why I gave her the other instead... ("Beat me, beat me!" says the masochist. "No!" says the sadist.)

which is why I would never make it in the BDSM scene... :(

Oh, and corrected... :p

:::Tortures Dyakovo with the CAT (http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html)::: (Now that's kinky...)

LOL, as long as you don't torture me with this cat...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/image.php?u=91868&dateline=1156310239

ok... that a bonus... but we need a performance roll... you play any instruments? that might give a synergistic bonus...

woodwinds... string instruments requiring complex finger movements? things like that...

Dex is how well you use it. Instruments shouldn't provide a synergy.

Unless they do.

Dex is how well you use it. Instruments shouldn't provide a synergy.

Unless they do.

under normal circumstances... yes. but with the dex a lute player's fingers would have... added to certain... breathing excercises some flutes requires...

;)

under normal circumstances... yes. but with the dex a lute player's fingers would have... added to certain... breathing excercises some flutes requires...

;)

It doesn't stack. Your aptitude to play the lute is cha based, and your aptitude for sex is dex based. Your ability to woo, however, IS cha based and you do get a synergy when you play an instrument as part of your wooing.

That said, from personal experience, reed players make fantastic kissers.

Now, your ability to play an instrument might possibly stack if it's Alyson Hannigan.

My my my, this thread isn't about purple anymore. SHAME ON YOU!

It doesn't stack. Your aptitude to play the lute is cha based, and your aptitude for sex is dex based. Your ability to woo, however, IS cha based and you do get a synergy when you play an instrument as part of your wooing.

That said, from personal experience, reed players make fantastic kissers.

Now, your ability to play an instrument might possibly stack if it's Alyson Hannigan.

lmao

lmao

I dated a flautist once.

I would like to date her again.

Now, your ability to play an instrument might possibly stack if it's Alyson Hannigan.

She's already contributed to my digital dexterity, boy howdy.
*drools*

She's already contributed to my digital dexterity, boy howdy.
*drools*

And how.

http://scans.sicknote.org.uk/pictures/alyson_hannigan/alyson_hannigan_fhm_2/alyson_hannigan_fhm_2.jpg

The best interogation method would likely be to walk into the room with a bowl, some good pot, and a large pepperoni pizza. Let them smoke the bowl... the whole thing. Then refuse to give them the pizza unless they co-operate. They will tell you anything!

She's already contributed to my digital dexterity, boy howdy.
*drools*

She could interogate me anytime!

Daistallia,
I think Nanatsu wanted this instead...

Oooooohhhhh, yeeeeesssssss, give it to me with the CAT!!! Yeeeeessssss!!!!!

:D

My my my, this thread isn't about purple anymore. SHAME ON YOU!

Start wearing purple!

Start wearing purple!

Teh Purple...

I knew someone who called her vibrator Mr. Purple. Is that purple enough?

I knew someone who called her vibrator Mr. Purple. Is that purple enough?

Like this (http://www.blushingbuyer.co.uk/product_images/Medium/990448;Warehouse;Warehouse.jpg) one?
:D

Like this (http://www.blushingbuyer.co.uk/product_images/Medium/990448;Warehouse;Warehouse.jpg) one?
:D

Probably more like this (http://www.stargirlservices.co.uk/acatalog/med10031PUR_l.jpg), but I never saw it.

This (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31goSUhTq7L._AA280_.jpg), however, is the kind of vibrator I would want.

Probably more like this (http://www.stargirlservices.co.uk/acatalog/med10031PUR_l.jpg), but I never saw it.

This (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31goSUhTq7L._AA280_.jpg), however, is the kind of vibrator I would want.

Hm, I like the second one too. Multi-purpose and all.:D

Hm, I like the second one too. Multi-purpose and all.:D

We need to meet someday.

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You will eat another chocolate egg no matter how many you have already consumed. No matter how sick you are. No excuses! Hop to it! I WANNA HEAR THAT FOIL WRAPPING CRINKLE, PEOPLE! NOW!