NationStates Jolt Archive

Its that time of the year again when Christians world wide remember the suffering and eventual victory of Christ over death and sin. This thread, therefore is one for the remembrance of these events and especially for the Christians on this forum to fellowship with one another.

What this thread is NOT FOR(and I will report you to moderation if anyone hijacks this) is for theological debate, political debate, quick hit and runs about God not existing, or any of the sort. Again, this is for fellowship, especially regarding these holy days.


For this special few days I wish to share the story of the trial, execution and resurrection of Christ. But first, lets look at some Old Testament scripture, written several hundred years before Christ, showing what he would have to go through.


Is. 53
1Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors

Next is the account of the Arrest and Trial of Christ.


Matthew 26
The Plot Against Jesus
1When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2"As you know, the Passover is two days away—and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified."
3Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, 4and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. 5"But not during the Feast," they said, "or there may be a riot among the people."
Jesus Anointed at Bethany
6While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.
8When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. 9"This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."
10Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. 12When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her."
Judas Agrees to Betray Jesus
14Then one of the Twelve—the one called Judas Iscariot—went to the chief priests 15and asked, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?" So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. 16From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.
The Lord's Supper
17On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"
18He replied, "Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, 'The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.' " 19So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
20When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve. 21And while they were eating, he said, "I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me."
22They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, "Surely not I, Lord?"
23Jesus replied, "The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. 24The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."
25Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, "Surely not I, Rabbi?"
Jesus answered, "Yes, it is you."[a]
26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body."
27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the[b] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom."
30When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.
Jesus Predicts Peter's Denial
31Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written:
" 'I will strike the shepherd,
and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'[c] 32But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee."
33Peter replied, "Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will."
34"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times."
35But Peter declared, "Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you." And all the other disciples said the same.
Gethsemane
36Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray." 37He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
39Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
40Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter. 41"Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
42He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
43When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. 44So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing.
45Then he returned to the disciples and said to them, "Are you still sleeping and resting? Look, the hour is near, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46Rise, let us go! Here comes my betrayer!"
Jesus Arrested
47While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. 48Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: "The one I kiss is the man; arrest him." 49Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him.
50Jesus replied, "Friend, do what you came for."[d]
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. 51With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.
52"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"
55At that time Jesus said to the crowd, "Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled." Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.
Before the Sanhedrin
57Those who had arrested Jesus took him to Caiaphas, the high priest, where the teachers of the law and the elders had assembled. 58But Peter followed him at a distance, right up to the courtyard of the high priest. He entered and sat down with the guards to see the outcome.
59The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death. 60But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward.
Finally two came forward 61and declared, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.' "
62Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" 63But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ,[e] the Son of God."
64"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
65Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66What do you think?"
"He is worthy of death," they answered.
67Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him 68and said, "Prophesy to us, Christ. Who hit you?"
Peter Disowns Jesus
69Now Peter was sitting out in the courtyard, and a servant girl came to him. "You also were with Jesus of Galilee," she said.
70But he denied it before them all. "I don't know what you're talking about," he said.
71Then he went out to the gateway, where another girl saw him and said to the people there, "This fellow was with Jesus of Nazareth."
72He denied it again, with an oath: "I don't know the man!"
73After a little while, those standing there went up to Peter and said, "Surely you are one of them, for your accent gives you away."
74Then he began to call down curses on himself and he swore to them, "I don't know the man!"
Immediately a rooster crowed. 75Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken: "Before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times." And he went outside and wept bitterly.
Judas Hangs Himself
1Early in the morning, all the chief priests and the elders of the people came to the decision to put Jesus to death. 2They bound him, led him away and handed him over to Pilate, the governor.
3When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. 4"I have sinned," he said, "for I have betrayed innocent blood."
"What is that to us?" they replied. "That's your responsibility."
5So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
6The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." 7So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. 8That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day. 9Then what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: "They took the thirty silver coins, the price set on him by the people of Israel, 10and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the Lord commanded me."[a]
Jesus Before Pilate
11Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?"
"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.
12When he was accused by the chief priests and the elders, he gave no answer. 13Then Pilate asked him, "Don't you hear the testimony they are bringing against you?" 14But Jesus made no reply, not even to a single charge—to the great amazement of the governor.
15Now it was the governor's custom at the Feast to release a prisoner chosen by the crowd. 16At that time they had a notorious prisoner, called Barabbas. 17So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, "Which one do you want me to release to you: Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?" 18For he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him.
19While Pilate was sitting on the judge's seat, his wife sent him this message: "Don't have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him."
20But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.
21"Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" asked the governor.
"Barabbas," they answered.
22"What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked.
They all answered, "Crucify him!"
23"Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate.
But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!"
24When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"
25All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"
26Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.
The Soldiers Mock Jesus
27Then the governor's soldiers took Jesus into the Praetorium and gathered the whole company of soldiers around him. 28They stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him, 29and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand and knelt in front of him and mocked him. "Hail, king of the Jews!" they said. 30They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again. 31After they had mocked him, they took off the robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him away to crucify him.

Here is the crucifixion and death account:
The Crucifixion
32As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross. 33They came to a place called Golgotha (which means The Place of the Skull). 34There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it. 35When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots.[b] 36And sitting down, they kept watch over him there. 37Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS. 38Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. 39Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads 40and saying, "You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!"
41In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42"He saved others," they said, "but he can't save himself! He's the King of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, 'I am the Son of God.' " 44In the same way the robbers who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
The Death of Jesus
45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,[c] lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[d]
47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, "He's calling Elijah."
48Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49The rest said, "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him."
50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son[e] of God!"
55Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. 56Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's sons.
The Burial of Jesus
57As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. 59Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away. 61Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting there opposite the tomb.
The Guard at the Tomb
62The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. 63"Sir," they said, "we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I will rise again.' 64So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first."
65 "Take a guard," Pilate answered. "Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how." 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.

*sits back with beer and popcorn and waits for the "Battle of My Imaginary Friend is better than your Imaginary Friend*

Now here is the best part!
The Resurrection
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.
5The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you."
8So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
The Guards' Report
11While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' 14If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." 15So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
The Great Commission
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."


Now let us rejoice over the victory! O' death where is your sting? O' hades where is your victory? This day, we have life eternal. Praise God.

I didn't know anyone observed Good Friday anymore. :confused:

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg-1yM6insA


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Orthodox Easter isn't for another month. This weekend is reserved for bunnies.

I didn't know anyone observed Good Friday anymore. :confused:

Most of us do. It's usually not more than a special church service that retells the story and it's significance, although a Catholic friend of mine says that they can't eat meat on that day or something.

Most of us do. It's usually not more than a special church service that retells the story and it's significance, although a Catholic friend of mine says that they can't eat meat on that day or something.

I don't know anyone who does. I don't even know anyone who celebrates Easter religiously anymore.

I don't know anyone who does. I don't even know anyone who celebrates Easter religiously anymore.

I suppose it depends on where you are and who you know. I don't know anyone of the fellow Christians who I've met who don't.

Orthodox Easter isn't for another month. This weekend is reserved for bunnies.

Yay bunnies! :)

Let us also remember the Pagan origin of Easter

Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were:
* Aphrodite from ancient Cyprus
* Ashtoreth from ancient Israel
* Astarté from ancient Greece
* Demeter from Mycenae
* Hathor from ancient Egypt
* Ishtar from Assyria
* Kali, from India
* Ostara a Norse Goddess of fertility.

Link (http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm)

It was common Pagan practice to paint eggs and the bunny was a symbol of this time for the Pagans.

The more you know... :)

Yay bunnies! :)

Agreed, although I think we may be talking about two different kinds of bunnies.;)

Oh, And happy Good Friday to those who celebrate.

tl;dr, I hate religion.

lulz wrong thread.

Let us also remember the Pagan origin of Easter



Link (http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm)

It was common Pagan practice to paint eggs and the bunny was a symbol of this time for the Pagans.

The more you know... :)


You fail to read the rules of this thread. I frown at you because I have to use my last post up on scolding you! Tsk tsk wilgrove. Besides, we aren't worshipping fertility here. We aren't worshipping spring. This even could happen in august and we'd worship the same. Its about the life given through christ. I thought that at one point you knew this. Perhaps listening to arm chair scholars on NSG has made you forget your first love?


Take care NSG. I'm gone....(for now anyways. In all truth, I'll be back in maybe a month or two.) :p

You fail to read the rules of this thread. I frown at you because I have to use my last post up on scolding you! Tsk tsk wilgrove. Besides, we aren't worshipping fertility here. We aren't worshipping spring. This even could happen in august and we'd worship the same. Its about the life given through christ. I thought that at one point you knew this. Perhaps listening to arm chair scholars on NSG has made you forget your first love?


Take care NSG. I'm gone....(for now anyways. In all truth, I'll be back in maybe a month or two.) :p

I'm just saying that Easter does have Pagan origins because the Roman Catholic Church put Easter on the Spring Equinox as a political move to recruit Pagans into Catholicism.

I'm just saying that Easter does have Pagan origins because the Roman Catholic Church put Easter on the Spring Equinox as a political move to recruit Pagans into Catholicism.

Same thing with Christmas, though I've heard both stories that it was done to overtake the pagan religions or to make it more accessible and comfortable by using preexisting dates.

Same thing with Christmas, though I've heard both stories that it was done to overtake the pagan religions or to make it more accessible and comfortable by using preexisting dates.

Exactly. the Church borrowed heavily from Yule.

Exactly. the Church borrowed heavily from Yule.

Yeah, but do you have any insight on the motivations? Rather, was it a malevolent attempt to undermine support for other religions, or was it a friendly gesture to make Christianity more welcoming? Was it both?

Yeah, but do you have any insight on the motivations? Rather, was it a malevolent attempt to undermine support for other religions, or was it a friendly gesture to make Christianity more welcoming? Was it both?

I'd have to say both, but you do have to keep in mind that the Early Church did see Pagans as lost souls who needed to be saved.

happy Naw-Ruz.

"and at its close (the fast) have designated for you Naw-Ruz as a feast.

The Bab introduced a new calendar, known now as the Badi or Baha'i calendar. According to this calendar, a day is the period from sunset to sunset.

In the Bayan, the Bab ordained the month of Ala' to be the month of fasting, decreed that the day of Naw-Ruz should mark the termination of that period, and designated Naw-Ruz as the Day of God.

Baha'u'llah confirms the Badi' calendar wherein Naw-Ruz is designated as a feast. Naw-Ruz is the first day of the new year. It coincides with the spring equinox in the northern hemisphere, which usually occurs of 21 March.

Baha'u'llah explains that this feast day is to be celeberated on whatever day the sun passess into the constellation of Aries (i.e. the vernal equinox), even should this occur one minute before sunset.

Hence Naw-Ruz could fall on 20, 21, or 22 March, depending on the time of the equinox.

=^^=
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I didn't know anyone observed Good Friday anymore. :confused:

I think I'll celebrate by grilling a steak and getting drunk tonight :D

I'm just saying that Easter does have Pagan origins because the Roman Catholic Church put Easter on the Spring Equinox as a political move to recruit Pagans into Catholicism.

They've always been big hijackers that way. Easter, Christmas, and most of the lesser holidays virtually all have pagan origins, they just got painted Christian once that religion took over and started to threat with nice treats like being burned alive for people who refused to give lip service. ;)

I think I'll celebrate by grilling a steak and getting drunk tonight :D

lol, you shouldn't need to use a holiday as a special excuse to do that. ;)

lol, you shouldn't need to use a holiday as a special excuse to do that. ;)

I do. I'm more or less vegetarian the rest of the year. And I usually don't drink much. :)

I do. I'm more or less vegetarian the rest of the year. And I usually don't drink much. :)

Ah, my mistake. Well, enjoy. ;)

You fail to read the rules of this thread.
I'm pretty sure you can't make rules for your thread.
I think I'll celebrate by grilling a steak and getting drunk tonight :D

I would, except I can't buy booze today. I haet Good Friday.

I would, except I can’t buy booze today. I haet Good Friday.
You can’t buy booze because it’s Good Friday?

Dull.

*sacrifices hot dog to Eris in anticipation of a bountiful harvest*

You can’t buy booze because it’s Good Friday?

Dull.
I know! Stupid catholic country. Nowhere is allowed serve alcohol today.

*sacrifices hot dog to Eris in anticipation of a bountiful harvest*

May many cabbages be violently torn up from the ground :)

I know! Stupid catholic country. Nowhere is allowed serve alcohol today.
I suppose I should toast Calvin and John Knox with the booze I’ll buy tonight.

I would, except I can't buy booze today. I haet Good Friday.

I know, but I've planned ahead.
Like apparently every other adult in county Cork, I've shopped for booze yesterday :D
Also, I've still got a lovely bottle of champaign I got from my work colleagues for my engagement...

9His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

At the risk of being accused of hijacking (and in my defence it was already hijacked when I got here :p) isn't this the exact opposite of the Jesus story? He was buried in a rich man's tomb and died next to wicked men.

I went to listen to a passiontide concert with music by James MacMillan and Giles Swayne. It was very humbling and affective, not because I'm religious, but due to the amazing amount of emotion portrayed in the music and relating to this story. It struck me how much this time of year has inspired musical composition for many people, and despite my non-religious attitude, I love the emotional sentiment of them and the power lain within.

Piece was MacMillan's Seven last words from the Cross, and others that I've sung recently in passiontide services, Lotti's Cruxifixus (8-part one) and Leighton's Solus ad victimam.

I didn't know anyone observed Good Friday anymore. :confused:

you should spend a good friday in new mexico some year then. we have big pilgrimages here. here in socorro its traditional to walk from the san miguel church to the church in polvadera about 10 miles away. even some protestants take the pilgimage.

the big one is to el santuario in chimayo.

Every year, hundreds of thousands of pilgrims from around the world flock to the small Northern New Mexico town of Chimayo and faithfully walk a trek, with the Sangre de Cristo mountains as a backdrop. The trek ends at El Santuario, the site of a historic church built almost 200 years ago that is said to be sacred. El Santuario is best known for a “sacred sand pit” or El Posito, in which its grains of sand are believed to hold curative powers. The room housing the pit is surrounded with walkers, canes, and other symbols left on the walls following reported miracles and healings

http://www.pntonline.com/news/new_13126___article.html/thousands_santuario.html

i dont know that its really 100,000 but its many thousands. they have to put warning signs on the roads. volunteers set up stands to hand out water to the pilgrims.

yes people do still observe good friday.

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I'm just saying that Easter does have Pagan origins because the Roman Catholic Church put Easter on the Spring Equinox as a political move to recruit Pagans into Catholicism.Folks like Zilam have no interest in such facts. They just want to dwell on their religion undisturbed. And as he said, that's what this thread is for: pure celebration without thinking.

I'm pretty sure you can't make rules for your thread.Yep. Once it's out in the forum it's not his thread anyways.

"Let us rejoice", Zilam? Good Friday is a solemnity, not a feast. You remeber Good Friday, you celebrate Easter.

"Let us rejoice", Zilam? Good Friday is a solemnity, not a feast. You remeber Good Friday, you celebrate Easter.

Faith-based burn!

"Let us rejoice", Zilam? Good Friday is a solemnity, not a feast. You remeber Good Friday, you celebrate Easter.Well, Good Friday is supposed to be the highest celebration in christianity, as it is Jesus' death that unmakes the original sin, reverts the Fall of Man, and restores humankind to heavenly bliss and proximity to God. After all, it is this salvation that christianity is all about.

I didn't know anyone observed Good Friday anymore. :confused:

Millions and millions do worldwide. I'll be in church 12:30 pm today.

I would, except I can't buy booze today. I haet Good Friday.
Well, you should have went into panic-buying on Wednesday night. Like I did. :p

what has Jesus ever done for me? :p

also I'm planning on spending this festival fucking because Jesus would approve of a celebration of life ;)

Looks like Zilams disclaimer has failed, somewhat.

Oh hey it's Good Friday.

I'll be jammin' out to Jesus Christ Superstar tonight! Anyone know if there's a cast recording with Cory Glover in the Judas role?

Meh. For me, it's just an excuse for me to eat chocolate.

Meh. For me, it's just an excuse for me to eat chocolate.You need an excuse for that?

I didn't know anyone observed Good Friday anymore. :confused:

I don't. If you do the math Jesus would ahve been crucifie on thursday afternoon.

I've never really understood why they call the day Jesus died Good Friday.
And on a related note, how would they know it's on Friday, considering it's possible to defend the claim that Jesus never existed?

I've never really understood why they call the day Jesus died Good Friday.
that's why
Well, Good Friday is supposed to be the highest celebration in christianity, as it is Jesus' death that unmakes the original sin, reverts the Fall of Man, and restores humankind to heavenly bliss and proximity to God. After all, it is this salvation that christianity is all about.

I'll be jammin' out to Jesus Christ Superstar tonight! Anyone know if there's a cast recording with Cory Glover in the Judas role?

i love jesus christ superstar.

i made the HUGE mistake of going to see the farewell tour of ted neely last year. *shudder* that man sure can ruin a great play.

Amen and thank you for the sacrifice. That´s all I can say about Good Friday without a wave of guilt coming over me...

And on a related note, how would they know it's on Friday, considering it's possible to defend the claim that Jesus never existed?

Mark 15:42 says of the day of Jesus death:

It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).

Which puts it on a Friday. One can say "according to Genesis, God rested on the seventh day of Creation" even though we know that the Creation story is reality deficient, the same goes for events in the life of Jesus regardless of whether they're independently substantiated.

i love jesus christ superstar.

i made the HUGE mistake of going to see the farewell tour of ted neely last year. *shudder* that man sure can ruin a great play.

The 2000 one was awesome, but I'm not a fan of the 1973 make: seeing Judas chased across the desert by tanks just doesn't do it for me. :p

On a bitter note: I bought the soundtrack and it leaves out some of the best songs (most notably Blood Money).

At the risk of being accused of hijacking (and in my defence it was already hijacked when I got here :p) isn't this the exact opposite of the Jesus story? He was buried in a rich man's tomb and died next to wicked men.

'His grave was assigned with wicked men' is poetic and means that He was executed with criminals, and 'he was rich in death' refers not to secular, monetary wealth, but to the victory over sin and death that Christ won by dying on the cross in the first place.

And as he said, that's what this thread is for: pure celebration without thinking.

"Pure celebration without thinking"...that sounds more like New Orleans-style Mardi Gras to me. Which, ironically enough, is also a religious holiday, although you'd never know it now.

I think I'll celebrate by grilling a steak and getting drunk tonight :D

Proper order....Sin a bit too. Carnally if at all possible.

Meh. For me, it's just an excuse for me to eat chocolate.

I usually wait until the day after Easter, as that's when the Easter candy and chocolate go on clearance.

'His grave was assigned with wicked men' is poetic and means that He was executed with criminals, and 'he was rich in death' refers not to secular, monetary wealth, but to the victory over sin and death that Christ won by dying on the cross in the first place.

Don't you think that's rather a contrived reading? Besides, it doesn't say 'he was rich in death', it says 'He was with a rich man in His death'.

I'm genuinely interested: do you think you'd interpret the verse in that manner if you'd read it before knowing the story of Jesus, or would you be more likely to take it at face value? It seems to me that this chapter of Isaiah can only be taken to refer to Jesus by ignoring a lot of inconvenient details and twisting other verses to mean the opposite of what they actually say.

I'm pretty sure you can't make rules for your thread.


I would, except I can't buy booze today. I haet Good Friday.

Why not? People can post closed threads in II, and Fass had his thread in NSG where he only wanted people to only speak some form of Slavic language (and had it closed when nobody followed the "rules").

Now, on topic, only 3 more days until Easter is celebrated, when Jesus rose from the dead. YAY!

Why not? People can post closed threads in II, and Fass had his thread in NSG where he only wanted people to only speak some form of Slavic language (and had it closed when nobody followed the "rules").
There is no ownership in General. One may make requests, but not demands.

i love jesus christ superstar.

i made the HUGE mistake of going to see the farewell tour of ted neely last year. *shudder* that man sure can ruin a great play.

But Cory Glover ROCKED THE HOUSE as Judas ;)

There is no ownership in General. One may make requests, but not demands.

True but people should respect people on here. I don't think an athiests should try to hijack the thread because I can see that happening. People shouldn't try to ruin or hijack a thread just because they don't agree with it.

True but people should respect people on here. I don't think an athiests should try to hijack the thread because I can see that happening. People shouldn't try to ruin or hijack a thread just because they don't agree with it.

We also hijack threads which we do agree with, we're egalitarian like that. :)

*passes cake around*

Stinking commies;)

Stinking commies;)

*nationalises Bedouin Raiders' cake and redistributes it amongst the Proletariat*

True but people should respect people on here. I don't think an athiests should try to hijack the thread because I can see that happening. People shouldn't try to ruin or hijack a thread just because they don't agree with it.

That's why hijacking is frowned upon... But sometimes, it just happens.

Just stay on topic, and you'll do your part to combat it. Remember: Service guarantees citizenship. Do you want to know more?

But Cory Glover ROCKED THE HOUSE as Judas ;)

he may have. im not sure he was the judas in the version i saw but i think he was.

in any case the good judas so outshone the pathetic jesus that it make ted neely's performance all the more glaringly awful.

*nationalises Bedouin Raiders' cake and redistributes it amongst the Proletariat*

The proletariat makes fish sandwiches and goes to mass.

The 2000 one was awesome, but I'm not a fan of the 1973 make: seeing Judas chased across the desert by tanks just doesn't do it for me. :p

On a bitter note: I bought the soundtrack and it leaves out some of the best songs (most notably Blood Money).

i am so old that i bought the album when it first came out in 1970. my mom and i went to see a minimally staged version in bangor before the movie was made.

This is no God.


Yes, I am a prick.



Nah, happy Good Friday to all you Christians. Im kind and respectful enough to wish you enjoyment on your holidays.;)

What this thread is NOT FOR(and I will report you to moderation if anyone hijacks this) is for theological debate, political debate, quick hit and runs about God not existing, or any of the sort. Again, this is for fellowship, especially regarding these holy days.




Which presumes nobody gets there first about c&p spam...

*rejoices*

I'm all for celebrating good things, but I never liked this holiday. It just seems like, even if he died for our sins, he was tortured and killed. I just don't like celebrating torture and death.

I'm all for solemnity though...:)

I didn't know anyone observed Good Friday anymore. :confused:

All you have to do is look at the calender...

It´s been so cold today. Darkish. I think that the theory I had that every Good Friday home is dark and cold, every year, has proven true. And the sea... wow... the sea was the color of steel and so violent. Salt was everywhere, looking like dust. Meh, I feel like I´m describing the opening to a Stephen King book...

It´s been so cold today. Darkish. I think that the theory I had that every Good Friday home is dark and cold, every year, has proven true. And the sea... wow... the sea was the color of steel and so violent. Salt was everywhere, looking like dust. Meh, I feel like I´m describing the opening to a Stephen King book...

It does seem like a good opening to a thriller...

It does seem like a good opening to a thriller...

Yeah, either that or I sound very tacky.

Yeah, either that or I sound very tacky.

*puts ear to Nanatsu and knocks*
*knuckles and ear stick*
;)

*puts ear to Nanatsu and knocks*
*knuckles and ear stick*
;)

*chuckles and punches Dyakovo´s shoulder, in a ´cut it out´ way*
:p

*chuckles and punches Dyakovo´s shoulder, in a ´cut it out´ way*
:p

*pries ear away*
*realizes both hands are stuck now*

*pries ear away*
*realizes both hands are stuck now*

*blinks as she sees what´s happening and shakes her head again*
Ah, crap. Now we´re siamese twins.
*sighs*
:D

tl;dr, I hate religion.

That was really helpfull. We never knew how you felt about Christians before.

*blinks as she sees what´s happening and shakes her head again*
Ah, crap. Now we´re siamese twins.
*sighs*
:D

*is glad she hasn't realized yet where his hands are stuck*

*is glad she hasn't realized yet where his hands are stuck*

:eek:

:eek:

Happy Good Friday btw (its still Friday here)

Happy Good Friday btw (its still Friday here)

Well, not here, but thanks and same to you.:)

*is glad she hasn't realized yet where his hands are stuck*
she should be more concerned on where your ear is stuck... :D

and I am jelouse that I didn't think of that first! :headbang:

she should be more concerned on where your ear is stuck... :D

and I am jelouse that I didn't think of that first! :headbang:

Nyah, nyah :p

I usually wait until the day after Easter, as that's when the Easter candy and chocolate go on clearance.

Godiva clearance chocolate ftw.

That's why hijacking is frowned upon... But sometimes, it just happens.

Just stay on topic, and you'll do your part to combat it. Remember: Service guarantees citizenship. Do you want to know more?

*grumbles about the distinct lack of power armor in the movie.*

she should be more concerned on where your ear is stuck... :D

and I am jelouse that I didn't think of that first! :headbang:

JuNii, you´re at the bottom of a canal, remember? No speak-a for you. And you both are pervy, young men.
*huffs*
;)

JuNii, you´re at the bottom of a canal, remember? No speak-a for you. And you both are pervy, young men.
*huffs*
;)

??? I swam out... difficult to do in a sack, but possible. :p

and realize, who was... er... comforting you in the other thread?
and who has body parts stuck to whom in this one?

and you call me pervy? :p

I think I'll celebrate by grilling a steak and getting drunk tonight :D

This is Good Friday. You seem to be thinking of Independence Day.

I suppose I should toast Calvin and John Knox with the booze I’ll buy tonight.

When I visited London, I stayed during Good Friday and every single museum, store, and government office was closed. I was annoyed.

It made me happy to be an American, where I don't have to worry that I will be held accountable for the religion I profess and can shop till I genuflect.

I think I'll celebrate by grilling a steak and getting drunk tonight :D
Sounds Good.

I'll join you in spirit... tho I don't drink...

so have one for me. ;)

This is Good Friday. You seem to be thinking of Independence Day.

Why would I be thinking of some crap 1990's movie? :confused:

Sounds Good.

I'll join you in spirit... tho I don't drink...

so have one for me. ;)

*lol No problem. I had most of the bottle of champaign, my fiance doesn't really like the stuff :)

When I visited London, I stayed during Good Friday and everything single museum, store, and government office was closed. I was annoyed.
Strange, I’ve never heard of that happening. Everything was open as normal up here in Scotland, though I wouldn’t be surprised if services up in the Hebrides (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrides) are disrupted; a few islands still have nothing open on Sundays.

There was a big hoo-ha a while back about ferry services on Sundays — the Lord’s Day — and a large minority of Islanders objected.

Thanks for the thread Zilam. We are celebrating, as always!!! :)

??? I swam out... difficult to do in a sack, but possible. :p

and realize, who was... er... comforting you in the other thread?
and who has body parts stuck to whom in this one?

and you call me pervy? :p

Ah, but I've never even tried denying being a perv...

Ah, but I've never even tried denying being a perv...

;)

Me neither.

Strange, I’ve never heard of that happening. Everything was open as normal up here in Scotland, though I wouldn’t be surprised if services up in the Hebrides (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrides) are disrupted; a few islands still have nothing open on Sundays.

There was a big hoo-ha a while back about ferry services on Sundays — the Lord’s Day — and a large minority of Islanders objected.

Maybe it just happened to be another holiday when I was there; Good Friday moves around.
And come to think of it, not all stores were closed. But a majority were, along with touristy stuff like museums.

??? I swam out... difficult to do in a sack, but possible. :p

and realize, who was... er... comforting you in the other thread?
and who has body parts stuck to whom in this one?

and you call me pervy? :p

I called the both of you pervy.;)

I called the both of you pervy.;)

What can I say, you seem to have that effect on us.

I called the both of you pervy.;)

... well...

I'll accept that...

IF I can also have the option of comforting you in the future... :D

... well...

I'll accept that...

IF I can also have the option of comforting you in the future... :D

We can work on that.:D

I'm glad I saw this thread. I wouldn't have known it was the Easter the weekend otherwise. Now I know to head to supermarkets come Monday to pick up some cheap chocolate.

I know! Stupid catholic country. Nowhere is allowed serve alcohol today.
You should come to the UK. We can now bet on Good Friday, and the pubs are probably open too. I wouldn't know for sure though... I was stuck inside yesterday after playing too much squash without stretching properly. :S

This weekend is reserved for bunnies.
What kinda bunnies? ;)

I'll be in church 12:30 pm today.
Be sure to remember us in your prayers.
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What kinda bunnies? ;)
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Oh yes, i'm all up & over that, boy howdy!