NationStates Jolt Archive

Unless you have been living under a rock you know the story, but just in case;
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2008/03/barack_has_some.php
As we all know, we don't choose our family, but Obama chose this racist demagogue as his pastor for decades. It's not funny. Barack is running for President of the United States. As a former civil rights worker, I find it pretty appalling.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/a-sermon-echoing-around-obama/

If a white politician had a similar long-term association to a comparably overt racist church there would be little doubt they would be tarnished beyond redemption as a racist. If it were a man who had belonged to a church espousing radical mysogenistic values there also is little doubt about the end of his political career.

This would be true no matter how much they denounced their pastor and church afterwords. Obama has NOT denounced the pastor. He claims only to denounce a selection of the things his pastor has said.

Now - as in the prior examples - racism is not the sort of thing to be tolerated or excused - particularly by an association one would choose to join and follow. So BOs failure to renounce these statements rings loudly, and his denouncing the statements rings insincere.

Would you vote for a white politician who denounced only a selection of statements of his racist pastor? Would you vote for a man who was a member of a mysogenist 'women belong at home only' church even if he renounced that statement? Then why would you fail to see through the transparency of Obama's bullshit?

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Unless you have been living under a rock you know the story, but just in case;
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2008/03/barack_has_some.php
As we all know, we don't choose our family, but Obama chose this racist demagogue as his pastor for decades. It's not funny. Barack is running for President of the United States. As a former civil rights worker, I find it pretty appalling.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/a-sermon-echoing-around-obama/

If a white politician had a similar long-term association to a comparably overt racist church there would be little doubt they would be tarnished beyond redemption as a racist. If it were a man who had belonged to a church espousing radical mysogenistic values there also is little doubt about the end of his political career.

This would be true no matter how much they denounced their pastor and church afterwords. Obama has NOT denounced the pastor. He claims only to denounce a selection of the things his pastor has said.

Now - as in the prior examples - racism is not the sort of thing to be tolerated or excused - particularly by an association one would choose to join and follow. So OBs failure to renounce these statements rings loudly, and his denouncing the statements rings insincere.

Would you vote for a white politician who denounced only a selection of statements of his racist pastor? Would you vote for a man who was a member of a mysogenist 'women belong at home only' church even if he renounced that statement? Then why would you fail to see through the transparency of Obama's bullshit?

Please, vote and share.

Did you even listen to his speech? Personally, I was surprised and inspired by the way he handled the whole situation. The easy thing to do would be to distance himself--but instead he presented the RADICAL idea that he can be a member of a group and not agree with every single thing they say, yet still believe in the overall message and still love a person who has been a major part of his life WHILE DISAGREEING WITH HIM. Good for him for acting like an actual adult.

Did you even listen to his speech? Personally, I was surprised and inspired by the way he handled the whole situation. The easy thing to do would be to distance himself--but instead he presented the RADICAL idea that he can be a member of a group and not agree with every single thing they say, yet still believe in the overall message and still love a person who has been a major part of his life WHILE DISAGREEING WITH HIM. Good for him for acting like an actual adult.

This.

Also, nice biased poll.

Your poll is ridiculous, and if you can't be assed to figure out how to spell "Barack Obama" I don't know what to say to you.

Did you even listen to his speech? Personally, I was surprised and inspired by the way he handled the whole situation. The easy thing to do would be to distance himself--but instead he presented the RADICAL idea that he can be a member of a group and not agree with every single thing they say, yet still believe in the overall message and still love a person who has been a major part of his life WHILE DISAGREEING WITH HIM. Good for him for acting like an actual adult.

So you beleive that a person can be a member of a racist oganization, led by a racist, and not be a racist?

Want to buy a bridge?

Your poll is ridiculous, and if you can't be assed to figure out how to spell "Barack Obama" I don't know what to say to you.

?

Something wrong with BO?


This.

Also, nice biased poll.


hehe

So you beleive that a person can be a member of a racist oganization, led by a racist, and not be a racist?

Want to buy a bridge?

Who's he racist against? His mom who's white, or his dad who's black? Do tell. :rolleyes:

Who's he racist against? His mom who's white, or his dad who's black? Do tell. :rolleyes:

Hmmm, lets hear what his spiritual advisor has to say about it then decide...

racist pastor

what exactly constitutes this racism?

So you beleive that a person can be a member of a racist oganization, led by a racist, and not be a racist?

Want to buy a bridge?

I'm sorry, I'm Catholic, and the Pope hates Muslims. Do I hate Muslims or Islam in general? No.

Hmmm, lets hear what his spiritual advisor has to say about it then decide...

Right, because my priest determines my thought process.

Hmmm, lets hear what his spiritual advisor has to say about it then decide...

So he hates his mother? That's interesting. Bit freudian don't you think? That's why he hates Hillary, she reminds him of momma!

what exactly constitutes this racism?

ummm, see the links.

Probably not, no.

If a white politician had a similar long-term association to a comparably overt racist church there would be little doubt they would be tarnished beyond redemption as a racist. If it were a man who had belonged to a church espousing radical mysogenistic values there also is little doubt about the end of his political career.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

ummm, see the links.

I read them both. I second FS's question.

I'm sorry, I'm Catholic, and the Pope hates Muslims. Do I hate Muslims or Islam in general? No.
Nice straw man - got any evidence?

Right, because my priest determines my thought process.

first - learn the difference between a priest and a pastor. Then realize that this is a church that BO selected willfully and stayed with for 20 years.

Your pastor does NOT determine your thought process, your thought process determines your pastor.

on a serious note...

I respect what Obama did. yes, you can have friends yet not agree with their views and ideals. He condemned the Rev's message without condemning the man. Very few politicians had the guts to do that.

on a silly note,
I present Avenue Q.
Princeton:
Say, Kate, can I ask you a question?

Kate Monster:
Sure!

Princeton:
Well, you know Trekkie Monster upstairs?

Kate Monster:
Uh huh.

Princeton:
Well, he's Trekkie Monster, and you're Kate Monster.

Kate Monster:
Right.

Princeton:
You're both Monsters.

Kate Monster:
Yeah.

Princeton:
Are you two related?

Kate Monster:
What?! Princeton, I'm surprised at you! I find that racist!

Princeton:
Oh, well, I'm sorry! I was just asking!

Kate Monster:
Well, it's a touchy subject.
No, not all Monsters are related.
What are you trying say, huh?
That we all look the same to you?
Huh, huh, huh?

Princeton:
No, no, no, not at all. I'm sorry,
I guess that was a little racist.

Kate Monster:
I should say so. You should be much more
careful when you're talking about the
sensitive subject of race.

Princeton:
Well, look who's talking!

Kate Monster:
What do you mean?

Princeton:
What about that special Monster School you told me about?

Kate Monster:
What about it?

Princeton:
Could someone like me go there?

Kate Monster:
No, we don't want people like you-

Princeton:
You see?!

You're a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:
Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:
I guess we're both a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:
Admitting it is not an easy thing to do...

Princeton:
But I guess it's true.

Kate Monster:
Between me and you,
I think

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Sometimes.
Doesn't mean we go
Around committing hate crimes.
Look around and you will find
No one's really color blind.
Maybe it's a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race.

Princeton:
Now not big judgments, like who to hire
or who to buy a newspaper from -

Kate Monster:
No!

Princeton:
No, just little judgments like thinking that Mexican
busboys should learn to speak goddamn English!

Kate Monster:
Right!

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Today.
So, everyone's a little bit racist
Okay!
Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,
But you laugh because
They're based on truth.
Don't take them as
Personal attacks.
Everyone enjoys them -
So relax!

Princeton:
All right, stop me if you've heard this one.

Kate Monster:
Okay!

Princeton:
There's a plan going down and there's only
one paracute. And there's a rabbi, a priest...

Kate Monster:
And a black guy!

Gary Coleman:
Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Kate?

Kate Monster:
Uh...

Gary Coleman:
You were telling a black joke!

Princeton:
Well, sure, Gary, but lots of people tell black jokes.

Gary Coleman:
I don't.

Princeton:
Well, of course you don't - you're black!
But I bet you tell Polack jokes, right?

Gary Coleman:
Well, sure I do. Those stupid Polacks!

Princeton:
Now, don't you think that's a little racist?

Gary Coleman:
Well, damn, I guess you're right.

Kate Monster:
You're a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:
Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:
We're all a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:
I think that I would
Have to agree with you.

Princeton/Kate Monster:
We're glad you do.

Gary Coleman:
It's sad but true!
Everyone's a little bit racist -

All right!

Kate Monster:
All right!

Princeton:
All right!

Gary Coleman:
All right!
Bigotry has never been
Exclusively white

All:
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
Even though we all know
That it's wrong,
Maybe it would help us
Get along.

Princeton:
Oh, Christ do I feel good.

Gary Coleman:
Now there was a fine upstanding black man!

Princeton:
Who?

Gary Coleman:
Jesus Christ.

Kate Monster:
But, Gary, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:
No, Jesus was black.

Kate Monster:
No, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:
No, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was black-

Princeton:
Guys, guys...Jesus was Jewish!

Brian:
Hey guys, what are you laughing about?

Gary Coleman:
Racism!

Brian:
Cool.

Christmas Eve:
BRIAN! Come back here!
You take out lecycuraburs!

Princeton:
What's that mean?

Brian:
Um, recyclables.
Hey, don't laugh at her!
How many languages do you speak?

Kate Monster:
Oh, come off it, Brian!
Everyone's a little bit racist.

Brian:
I'm not!

Princeton:
Oh no?

Brian:
Nope!

How many Oriental wives
Have you got?

Christmas Eve:
What? Brian!

Princeton:
Brian, buddy, where you been?
The term is Asian-American!

Christmas Eve:
I know you are no
Intending to be
But calling me Oriental -
Offensive to me!

Brian:
I'm sorry, honey, I love you.

Christmas Eve:
And I love you.

Brian:
But you're racist, too.

Christmas Eve:
Yes, I know.
The Jews have all
The money
And the whites have all
The power.
And I'm always in taxi-cab
With driver who no shower!

Princeton:
Me too!

Kate Monster:
Me too!

Gary Coleman:
I can't even get a taxi!

All:
Everyone's a little bit racist
It's true.
But everyone is just about
As racist as you!
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
And everyone stopped being
So PC
Maybe we could live in -
Harmony!

Christmas Eve:
Evlyone's a ritter bit lacist!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Lott

ummm, see the links.

i did. what part was the racism?

So you beleive that a person can be a member of a racist oganization, led by a racist, and not be a racist?

Want to buy a bridge?

I think a person can be a member of the Catholic church, and organization responsible for the Crusades, led by a pope who thinks homosexuality is evil, and be a good person who doesn't agree with either of those things. I think a person can be a member of the Republican party and think Bush is a horrible president. Yes.

Why do you hate freedom? I like my rock. It's cozy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Lott

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Kern

He's a racist and knows it.

Biased poll still though.

So he hates his mother? That's interesting. Bit freudian don't you think? That's why he hates Hillary, she reminds him of momma!

You might be joking, but I think you really hit upon something here! That, or he wants to sleep with Hillary... Freud is so confusing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

Running for a national office, you aren't going far with racist associations nowadays. In some parts of the South you can probably still get away with it locally, and Thurmond's 4,000 years in the Senate probably endeared him to his constituency. :p

Anyway, we're all supposedly racist on some level or another, but I doubt it's particularly true of Obama.

I read them both. I second FS's question.

i have been mystified by this during the entire 'scandal'. where the fuck is this goddamned racism that everyone is talking about? is it the fact that he points out the existence of racism?

Nice straw man - got any evidence?

Of course not.

. . .

What?

first - learn the difference between a priest and a pastor.
Which is? I wouldn't know, I'm a damned Papist.
Then realize that this is a church that BO selected willfully and stayed with for 20 years.
I hate to force you to read (I know most people can't stand it), but have you read his speech? The pastor had his good side too, the times he prayed for togetherness and brotherhood. Are you saying we are defined only by parts of our actions? So no matter what the pastor did, he remained a hate-filled bigot?


Your pastor does NOT determine your thought process, your thought process determines your pastor.

So Obama likes caring and Christ. Big deal.

Nice straw man - got any evidence?

You want evidence that he doesn't hate Muslims? What do you want, a picture of him and a bunch of Muslim friends around a campfire singing we are the world?

Do you even know what a straw man is?

I read them both. I second FS's question.

hmm, try googling "racism" and "willully blind". Between the two of them you should find your answer.

You want evidence that he doesn't hate Muslims? What do you want, a picture of him and a bunch of Muslim friends around a campfire singing we are the world?

Do you even know what a straw man is?

Yes - a straw man is where you create a fictional argument and then refute it yourself. Which you just did.

i have been mystified by this during the entire 'scandal'. where the fuck is this goddamned racism that everyone is talking about? is it the fact that he points out the existence of racism?

I think it's the "God damn America" thing that made people angry. I'm not sure where racism specifically comes in either.

I think it's the "God damn America" thing that made people angry. I'm not sure where racism specifically comes in either.

What, aren't all black preachers racist?

Does this thread, like, have a point? No? Okay, then. *leaves*

I think it's the "God damn America" thing that made people angry. I'm not sure where racism specifically comes in either.

yeah, that is definitely the key complaint. of course, that only makes sense as a complaint if our understanding of christianity is that silly bullshit version that people that don't really think about stuff believe.

What, aren't all black preachers racist?

they are black, after all.

they are black, after all.

My mistake.

hmm, try googling "racism" and "willully blind". Between the two of them you should find your answer.

give us a quote from him that you think is racist. it shouldn't be hard, right? right??

Something wrong with BO?
well... if the deoderant companies have anything to say about it... :p

I just love the people listening to Faux News soundbytes of it then claimign Obama's speech promoted racism. :headbang:

Please discuss US election issues in the US election mega-thread, where this topic has already been raised.