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I would have peed in the cup then poured it on his head and said there is your sample.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/03/18/drug-war-goes-crazy-cyclist-forced-to-provide-sample-at-sons-c/

These petty officials with their tiny little speck of authority really need to be taken to task when they do stupid shit like this. Hopefully it will discourage other power-hungry idiots from abusing their discretion.

I would of been nice and said I just went and to come back later :)

then I would of told him to go fist himself and see what the WADA has to say

I'd masturbate in the cup, pee in it, then force-feed the cup down the examiner's throat.

It's grossly insensitive. I understand they have their rules for drug testing, but there have to be some boundaries.

The drug tester should have been the next user of the crematory facilities.

Alive.

The drug tester should have been the next user of the crematory facilities.

Alive.

I'd masturbate in the cup, pee in it, then force-feed the cup down the examiner's throat.

You'd think the man killed the kid and danced on his grave while asking for the sample, judging by these reactions.

Quick Step rider van Impe was at the crematorium dealing with funeral arrangements following his son's death when a drugs tester turned up and demanded he provide a sample, warning that otherwise he could face a two-year suspension.
News link, not a blog (http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/rider-drug-tested-at-sons-funeral/2008/03/17/1205602258326.html)

...so it wasn't at the funeral, not at the cremation.

Still, it shouldn't have happened. Some sensibility is called for.

Cycling's at a bad place with drugs now, it's hardly surprising they're not big on giving leeway right now. And drug tests are supposed to be surprises, so athletes don't have the opportunity to corrupt the result.

News link, not a blog (http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/rider-drug-tested-at-sons-funeral/2008/03/17/1205602258326.html)

...so it wasn't at the funeral, not at the cremation.

Still, it shouldn't have happened. Some sensibility is called for.

Cycling's at a bad place with drugs now, it's hardly surprising they're not big on giving leeway right now. And drug tests are supposed to be surprises, so athletes don't have the opportunity to corrupt the result.

granted, but some tact could've been used... at least wait till the arraingements were done before asking, not demanding, for a sample. maybe even show some sympathy while asking.

the tester could also 'surprise' the cyclist at home, why go to the crematorium?

granted, but some tact could've been used... at least wait till the arraingements were done before asking, not demanding, for a sample. maybe even show some sympathy while asking.

the tester could also 'surprise' the cyclist at home, why go to the crematorium?

Good point--if the tester knew where to find him, he obviously knew what he was doing. When the tester found out his location, he could easily have postponed the test without the cyclist's knowledge and surprised him later in the day or on another day.

granted, but some tact could've been used... at least wait till the arraingements were done before asking, not demanding, for a sample. maybe even show some sympathy while asking.

the tester could also 'surprise' the cyclist at home, why go to the crematorium?

Agreed.

The tester should be suspended without pay for failure to exercise discretion during a sensitive time for the cyclist and be forced to attend sensitivity training. Should this be a repeat offence, the tester should be removed entirely from the post.

The tester should be suspended without pay for failure to exercise discretion during a sensitive time for the cyclist and be forced to attend sensitivity training. Should this be a repeat offence, the tester should be removed entirely from the post.

Very sensible this, although imho a swift kick to the testers hiney wouldn't go amiss either.

a swift kick to the testers hiney

...or the hiney's testers.

Maybe give the tester a cup of ashes as a soveignier?

Very sensible this, although imho a swift kick to the testers hiney wouldn't go amiss either.

I figured since no one else was courting Lady Sensibility today that she was fair game. :)

I figured since no one else was courting Lady Sensibility today that she was fair game. :)

Well, she's certainly a hottie ;)

I think the dumb tester should be fired over this and given this: :upyours:

I really do love how many people are so ready to jump to absolute conclusions over situations they know little about. Look at the title of this post even "at Son's Cremation", utterly infalmatory and totally false. It wasn't AT the cremation, it was during arrangments for the cremation.

Secondly while we look at the guy with utter contempt "he could have come back! He could have done it another time! He could have waited!" does anyone know that for sure? Does anyone actually know the regulations for this? For all we know he was assigned a time, and that's the only time, and a cylcist can not refuse if he wishes to compete.

How do you know he could have come back later? How do you know he could have reschedualed? Does anyone here actually know the regulations governing this?

Anyone?

Anyone at all?

...or the hiney's testers.

Ba-dum-pshhh!

I really do love how many people are so ready to jump to absolute conclusions over situations they know little about. Look at the title of this post even "at Son's Cremation", utterly infalmatory and totally false. It wasn't AT the cremation, it was during arrangments for the cremation.

Secondly while we look at the guy with utter contempt "he could have come back! He could have done it another time! He could have waited!" does anyone know that for sure? Does anyone actually know the regulations for this? For all we know he was assigned a time, and that's the only time, and a cylcist can not refuse if he wishes to compete.

How do you know he could have come back later? How do you know he could have reschedualed? Does anyone here actually know the regulations governing this?

Anyone?

Anyone at all?

Eh. I'm only here for the outlet and the donuts.

...or the hiney's testers.

Ooh. Kicked in the nuts by a cyclist. Ow.

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How do you know he could have come back later? How do you know he could have reschedualed? Does anyone here actually know the regulations governing this?

Anyone?

Anyone at all?
There is almost always more to a story that is posted on a fan-blog. I'd bet that M Van Impe has refused from time to time, or has made it difficult to obtain a sample. So the league took the best chance it had.

There is almost always more to a story that is posted on a fan-blog. I'd bet that M Van Impe has refused from time to time, or has made it difficult to obtain a sample. So the league took the best chance it had.

Even so, there is such a thing as tact. Put yourself in M. Van Impe's shoes; would you have been happy about the way this came about?

Personally, I'd have told him where to stick his sample. Some things are more important than mere sport.

There is almost always more to a story that is posted on a fan-blog. I'd bet that M Van Impe has refused from time to time, or has made it difficult to obtain a sample. So the league took the best chance it had.

if he kept refusing, then a final polite request would be met with him being banned from the sport.

end of problem.

Good point--if the tester knew where to find him, he obviously knew what he was doing. When the tester found out his location, he could easily have postponed the test without the cyclist's knowledge and surprised him later in the day or on another day.

You're assuming the tester has that option. I doubt the individual testers can choose when to test an athlete. Most probably they get orders come down to test such and such a guy at such and such a time, with strict instructions to prevent him having any opportunity to corrupt the result by taking a masking agent of any sort. Especially given the way cycling's feeling about drugs at the moment, a tester who comes back and says 'I decided to postpone the test' is probably going to set off alarm bells re: corruption rather than get approval for his 'sensitivity'.

You're assuming the tester has that option. I doubt the individual testers can choose when to test an athlete. Most probably they get orders come down to test such and such a guy at such and such a time, with strict instructions to prevent him having any opportunity to corrupt the result by taking a masking agent of any sort. Especially given the way cycling's feeling about drugs at the moment, a tester who comes back and says 'I decided to postpone the test' is probably going to set off alarm bells re: corruption rather than get approval for his 'sensitivity'.even supposing that the fact that the tester found Van Impe at the crematorium and couldn't wait till the star got home to approach him for a sample...

REPORT ON TEST SUBJECT Kevin van Impe:
Tester found subject at Crematorium. Posing as a concerned fan, I've learned that Kevin van Impe was there to make Final Arraingements concerning his late son who died 6 hours after birth.

Kevin van Impe had no idea why I was there, I made the excuse that as a fan, I noticed him entering the Crematorium and became concerned for the cycling star.

Due to the tragic loss his family is facing, I am requesting a rescheduling of his random testing out of respect for him and his family.

Should the request be denied. The tester can then say that while he (the tester) would preferre to wait, he is being forced to do this task ASAP. This will give the image that the tester is trying to be humane while being forced to carry out the rules and regs.

even supposing that the fact that the tester found Van Impe at the crematorium and couldn't wait till the star got home to approach him for a sample...

REPORT ON TEST SUBJECT Kevin van Impe:
Tester found subject at Crematorium. Posing as a concerned fan, I've learned that Kevin van Impe was there to make Final Arraingements concerning his late son who died 6 hours after birth.

Kevin van Impe had no idea why I was there, I made the excuse that as a fan, I noticed him entering the Crematorium and became concerned for the cycling star.

Due to the tragic loss his family is facing, I am requesting a rescheduling of his random testing out of respect for him and his family.

Should the request be denied. The tester can then say that while he (the tester) would preferre to wait, he is being forced to do this task ASAP. This will give the image that the tester is trying to be humane while being forced to carry out the rules and regs.


And how long is the report taken to get back to HQ, reach the relevant people and all the other things that happen.

It'll come back being seen as 'such and such a tester trying to avoid testing rider at time told to', and I dare say that the testers are under strict instructions that no exceptions are made for any reason.

Cycling is trying to drag itself back to respectability at a time when the future existance of the professional sport was being called into question, it's hardly unreasonable that they're looking to enforce the laws to the absolute letter.

And how long is the report taken to get back to HQ, reach the relevant people and all the other things that happen.

It'll come back being seen as 'such and such a tester trying to avoid testing rider at time told to', and I dare say that the testers are under strict instructions that no exceptions are made for any reason.

Cycling is trying to drag itself back to respectability at a time when the future existance of the professional sport was being called into question, it's hardly unreasonable that they're looking to enforce the laws to the absolute letter.

I can't see the French being that stupid. a simple query to the local hospital, news agency, or even the crematorium itself would reveal the truth of the matter, and such queries can be preformed without looking like asses.

if the cyclist was trying to 'dodge the bullet', normally a pattern of refusal or avoidance would emerge, has Kevin van Impe refused testing earlier? the question was asked but no one answered it.

I can understand cycling trying to 'drag itself back to respectability' but to be so callous is not the way to do it.

or are you saying that they don't trust the testers if the word of a tester requesting a rescheduling can raise such doubts?

Even so, there is such a thing as tact. Put yourself in M. Van Impe's shoes; would you have been happy about the way this came about?

Personally, I'd have told him where to stick his sample. Some things are more important than mere sport.
The point was made earlier that all we can do is concoct explanations. Fan-blogs aren't the best place to get hard news. That's what the "Daily Show" is for...