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I am interested in starting to play this game made by Games Workshop. I am wondering if anyone plays it and if they have any advice about starting?

By the way how big are the figures. Normal 15mm or 25 mm for wargaming or what?

I am interested in starting to play this game made by Games Workshop. I am wondering if anyone plays it and if they have any advice about starting?

By the way how big are the figures. Normal 15mm or 25 mm for wargaming or what?

I advise D&D... it is much better.

Well... that is presumption based on my opinion of D&D being the awesomest pretty much ever....

I am interested in starting to play this game made by Games Workshop. I am wondering if anyone plays it and if they have any advice about starting?

By the way how big are the figures. Normal 15mm or 25 mm for wargaming or what?

My advice, don't touch anything from Games Workshop. My oldests son does this and it cost me a fortune!

If you want to play LOTR, you can get similar-looking figures for much cheaper from other companies. The only downside is that GW won't let you play in their shops or tournaments, but in my experience most gamers are pretty happy to play with or against non-GW models. Of course, you do get the occasional GW nerd who throws a hissy fit and has too much money, but fuck 'em.

I don't actually have any models myself, but my friends has lots and we often play at his place, we are actually in the middle of a tournament Last Alliance forums are running. He has basically everything, including a perfectly painting Oliphaunt and he made his own walls of minas tirith and siege towers we battled on. The game is generally fun, although battles generally tend to really go one way or the other, especially with cavalry involved.

Either way I highly recommend it, the choice in teams is good and all, plus they are a big project for GM and they are always releasing more stuff, for example Corsairs of Umbar are coming out soon, and Arnor was too not far back.

I don't actually have any models myself, but my friends has lots and we often play at his place, we are actually in the middle of a tournament Last Alliance forums are running. He has basically everything, including a perfectly painting Oliphaunt and he made his own walls of minas tirith and siege towers we battled on. The game is generally fun, although battles generally tend to really go one way or the other, especially with cavalry involved.

Either way I highly recommend it, the choice in teams is good and all, plus they are a big project for GM and they are always releasing more stuff, for example Corsairs of Umbar are coming out soon, and Arnor was too not far back.

Bwhahahahah yet another folly, a ploy by the bourgeois to get us to spend our hard earned cash on trinkets to amuse us so that we forget about our abject poverty and become satisfied with our lot.

How does such a Marxist square his belifes with the amount of money that GW as an entity make out of the gullible youth, with their priceing? How does a Marxist rationalise the obscence amounts of cash it takes to be 'hobbyist' surley an entertainment only the wealthy can easily afford?

I can smell a 'rich kid' in working class cloths. You've been bubbled mate.

I stopped gaming years and years ago but fondly remember D&D, MERP, T&T and all the other systems we played. I even wrote one myself.

There was some discussion about Games Workshop (and White Dwarf, the GW rag) sold out / their souls to the devils of commercialism. My money's on WD94-96 (1987), but an old friend put it at a year earlier (WD81, 1986). I forget why. In any case, GW are the spawn of the devil (or chaos daemon or whatever).

Anyway, back on topic... most GW miniatures I believe are 28mm scale. The LoTR ones are. But if you want to use different scales and maybe adjust the distances, hell, check it out with the people you play with, and go right ahead. It's your game, and the GW purists can go to hell in a handcart.

Bwhahahahah yet another folly, a ploy by the [snip] to get us to spend our hard earned cash on trinkets to amuse us so that we forget about our abject poverty and become satisfied with our lot.Please don't add to the b-word spam :(

Please don't add to the b-word spam :(

Couldn't help myself!:D

I find it exstreamly funny, and suspect that a renowed Marxist can afford to do such a hobby, even support it, look at his words, egging people on to 'get into it', spend their money, like a salesman, or a pusher.

I cry fake!

Bwhahahahah yet another folly, a ploy by the bourgeois to get us to spend our hard earned cash on trinkets to amuse us so that we forget about our abject poverty and become satisfied with our lot.

How does such a Marxist square his belifes with the amount of money that GW as an entity make out of the gullible youth, with their priceing? How does a Marxist rationalise the obscence amounts of cash it takes to be 'hobbyist' surley an entertainment only the wealthy can easily afford?

I can smell a 'rich kid' in working class cloths. You've been bubbled mate.

I smell trolling, and as I said I don't collect. Also, on that note Peep, do you yourself actually own productive capital? If not I can't fathom why you defend the property of others.

Couldn't help myself!:D

I find it exstreamly funny, and suspect that a renowed Marxist can afford to do such a hobby, even support it, look at his words, egging people on to 'get into it', spend their money, like a salesman, or a pusher.

I cry fake!
Hey guess what, I heard Karl Marx actually brought furniture (shock horror)....

I smell trolling, and as I said I don't collect.

Bwahahah you smell a troll, I smell running away. I asked how you can square your consiance with a hobby that is sooo very well known to take extortiant amounts of money out of the hands of children, and you don't want to answer, and call troll instead.

That's made my day. Thank you.

I smell trolling, and as I said I don't collect. Also, on that note Peep, do you yourself actually own productive capital? If not I can't fathom why you defend the property of others.

No I own nothing, not a house, not a car, so,e books, some music, but nowt that will grant me very much capital.

I am indeed a working class worker type person, but like soooo many of us, I would like to have more, I wouldn't mind owning a house and so work towards that.

Bwahahah you smell a troll, I smell running away. I asked how you can square your consiance with a hobby that is sooo very well known to take extortiant amounts of money out of the hands of children, and you don't want to answer, and call troll instead.

That's made my day. Thank you.

I doubt many 'children' play GM games, given the complexities of the rules and the difficulty in painting the novels, but yet I find your personal attacks on me disturbing.

Hey guess what, I heard Karl Marx actually brought furniture (shock horror)....

Umm I wonder if it cost as much as a tiny little figure from GW?

I doubt many 'children' play GM games, given the complexities of the rules and the difficulty in painting the novels, but yet I find your personal attacks on me disturbing.

Personal attacks? Like what please repeat one of these attacks.

You doubt....! Man I used to do it my self, I now have a son that does it, the shops all over the country are rammed full of pre and post pubesant children all weekend.

But never mind that answer the question. How do you sqaure your consiance(and politics) with the obscene amounts of money that 'GW corp' are taking out of the hands of children?

Personal attacks? Like what please repeat one of these attacks.

You doubt....! Man I used to do it my self, I now have a son that does it, the shops all over the country are rammed full of pre and post pubesant children all weekend.

But never mind that answer the question. How do you sqaure your consiance(and politics) with the obscene amounts of money that 'GW corp' are taking out of the hands of children?
As I said, I don't collect. But even if I did it would just be to keep me entertained, I do alot for the DSP (my party).

As I said, I don't collect. But even if I did it would just be to keep me entertained, I do alot for the DSP (my party).

As you said you don't want to answer the question. Fair enough, but you know if somebody had leveled the sort of accusations that I have, at me, I would want to respond.

By not doing so you lend credance to my accusations.

LOTR is sort of the bastard child of Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40K.

It's set in a fantasy world similar to the Fantasy game with orcs, knights, wizards, dragons, etc but is similar to 40K in that it uses round bases and thus no formations.

And yes, they're 28mm.

You can certainly play using your own miniatures but if you're using non-GW ones look for 25mm since AFAIK 28mm is only produced by GW.

I've played both versions of Warhammer and never LOTR so I can't say much about the play experience, but there seem to be relatively few players of that game compared to the Warhammers, so if you ant a fantasy game with lots of potential opponents to play with, you're better off with Warhammer Fantasy.

As you said you don't want to answer the question. Fair enough, but you know if somebody had leveled the sort of accusations that I have, at me, I would want to respond.

By not doing so you lend credance to my accusations.

Responding would indicate that I think such accusations have worth.

Responding would indicate that I think such accusations have worth.

Bwahaha again I find it very strange that although you have said that you will not respond, you actualy have done so to all of my posts, except you are still not answering the question.

Care to respond to that?

Bwahaha again I find it very strange that although you have said that you will not respond, you actualy have done so to all of my posts, except you are still not answering the question.

Care to respond to that?
I am sorry, I have forgotten what it was.

I am sorry, I have forgotten what it was.

Then please allow me to free you of the need to scroll back a bit and re-rurnish you with the question.

'How do you sqaure your consiance(and politics) with the obscene amounts of money that 'GW corp' are taking out of the hands of children?'

I can smell a 'rich kid' in working class cloths. You've been bubbled mate.

Well sussed.

My advice, don't touch anything from Games Workshop. My oldests son does this and it cost me a fortune!.

True words also. Whats worse is that you'll give it up, yet sneak back to it every now and again over a 21 year period, like a big, fat, eejit who should be old enough to know better. (As a result, never give models away, or throw them out).

On the bright side - their plastics are damn good now, and thus getting stuff together is a bit cheaper than it used be.

Well sussed.


True words also. Whats worse is that you'll give it up, yet sneak back to it every now and again over a 21 year period, like a big, fat, eejit who should be old enough to know better. (As a result, never give models away, or throw them out).

On the bright side - their plastics are damn good now, and thus getting stuff together is a bit cheaper than it used be.

The downside, of course, is that every couple of years they do a makeover on each faction so that they can release a whole new line of models. Some of yrou old ones are still usable, some not. Then, of course, the new versions always look cooler anyway...

The downside, of course, is that every couple of years they do a makeover on each faction so that they can release a whole new line of models. Some of yrou old ones are still usable, some not. Then, of course, the new versions always look cooler anyway...

Yeah I know exactly what you mean. Imagine my horror to find out that the Norse army I spent a huge amount of cash on building no longer exists in Warhammer Fantasy.

Naaa it's big fat con, aimed specificly at kids. When ever you set foot intothe shop to make a purchase they are over you like a rash. Ohhh no you'll need this glue for that, or only this kinda paint will do for that one, or have you got one of our carry cases yet?

The downside, of course, is that every couple of years they do a makeover on each faction so that they can release a whole new line of models. Some of yrou old ones are still usable, some not. Then, of course, the new versions always look cooler anyway...


Yes...I actually found some squats there a few days back....Jesus they were shite....auto-guns my arse.

Yeah I know exactly what you mean. Imagine my horror to find out that the Norse army I spent a huge amount of cash on building no longer exists in Warhammer Fantasy.

Naaa it's big fat con, aimed specificly at kids. When ever you set foot intothe shop to make a purchase they are over you like a rash. Ohhh no you'll need this glue for that, or only this kinda paint will do for that one, or have you got one of our carry cases yet?

I'm a little torn on the issue.

On the one hand, it is annoying when they press you, especially when it's to 'save you money.' And Games Worskop does seem to have draconian rules when it comes to fansites supporting the game. You can't post anything that specifies rules (presumably for fear of making it possible to play without buying their books) and apparently discussing the cost is a no-no.

On the other hand, the quality of the product has improved remarkably, in terms of both the books and the models themselves. And if you avail yourself of the use of their facilities to play at, it definitely helps you to get your money's worth. (It costs nothing to use their tables and scenery at the shops.) Joining campaigns and tournaments is also free.

Yes, it's all meant to get you to buy more stuff, but you don't HAVE to. My friends and I play there a lot and most of their stuff was bought on eBay. The staff at the Bunker knows this, and never hassles us about it.

So yes, it's expensive, but the amount of enjoyment I get from it, both in building/painting the models and playing the game, is worth it.

Yes...I actually found some squats there a few days back....Jesus they were shite....auto-guns my arse.

And Squats aren't even in the current version of 40K.

I would personaly advise warhammer 40,000 as a better game but I did play LOTR and it's a decent game. they do not remove races very often(I've been playing for over a year and they havn't removed one) and it's not aimed at kids. when I go into the store there are usually between 3 and 10 people there and they are mostly 16+. a lot of kids do play but they aren't in the majority. when they do the races over almost all the classic models are useable just they don't look half as cool as the new ones. on the giving it up I know loads of people who have played it for 7 years or more so it's not just one of these primary school crazes

I would personaly advise warhammer 40,000 as a better game but I did play LOTR and it's a decent game. they do not remove races very often(I've been playing for over a year and they havn't removed one) and it's not aimed at kids. when I go into the store there are usually between 3 and 10 people there and they are mostly 16+. a lot of kids do play but they aren't in the majority. when they do the races over almost all the classic models are useable just they don't look half as cool as the new ones. on the giving it up I know loads of people who have played it for 7 years or more so it's not just one of these primary school crazes

To clarify:

Anybody under the age of 26 is a kid.

Bwhahahahah yet another folly, a ploy by the bourgeois to get us to spend our hard earned cash on trinkets to amuse us so that we forget about our abject poverty and become satisfied with our lot.

How does such a Marxist square his belifes with the amount of money that GW as an entity make out of the gullible youth, with their priceing? How does a Marxist rationalise the obscence amounts of cash it takes to be 'hobbyist' surley an entertainment only the wealthy can easily afford?

I can smell a 'rich kid' in working class cloths. You've been bubbled mate.

Dude I just want advice on a game and getting started not some out-of-touch marxist's views.

I found a site the sells them cheaper than the actually company does. If there are any cheaper than that I would like specifics please.
I won't buy a rulebook anyway. I have my own set of rules for miniature wargaming already. It would just be my frineds and I laying and we would be using my figures and my terrain.

I would personaly advise warhammer 40,000 as a better game but I did play LOTR and it's a decent game. they do not remove races very often(I've been playing for over a year and they havn't removed one) and it's not aimed at kids. when I go into the store there are usually between 3 and 10 people there and they are mostly 16+. a lot of kids do play but they aren't in the majority. when they do the races over almost all the classic models are useable just they don't look half as cool as the new ones. on the giving it up I know loads of people who have played it for 7 years or more so it's not just one of these primary school crazes

I think my real problem with the game (and this may or may not apply to you) is that as much as I loved the recent trilogy, I'm still sick of hearing about it with all the marketing of LOTR stuff, and I can't help seeing this game as an extension of that. I mean, for a while there it was copious LOTR media, merchandise, toys, everything... and along comes a Fantasy strategy game put out by a company that was built on a fantasy strategy game already in place.

Also, like with Star Wars type games it's hard for me to break out of the mentality of the closed system defined by the story. No matter what battle you fight or who the factios are, it's still Frodo Baggins who ultimately destroys Sauron by bringing the One Ring to Mordor, and it was the Battle of Minas Tirth where King Theodin fell, etc.

Wheras Warhammer Fantasy is wide open. Yes, I know the movies don't necessarily impact the 'story' of the battles fought in the game, but like I said it's just a thing I have.

Dude I just want advice on a game and getting started not some out-of-touch marxist's views.

I found a site the sells them cheaper than the actually company does. If there are any cheaper than that I would like specifics please.
I won't buy a rulebook anyway. I have my own set of rules for miniature wargaming already. It would just be my frineds and I laying and we would be using my figures and my terrain.


Heh yeah sorry about that, it was sorta threadnapping, on the other hand my post was not directed at you.

To clarify:

Anybody under the age of 26 is a kid.

At that stage they havent even grown a proper belly yet, fer fucks sake...

At that stage they havent even grown a proper belly yet, fer fucks sake...

Ahhh that comes in time, it's more about the facial hair for me.

To clarify:

Anybody under the age of 26 is a kid.

Even if you put kid as meaning teenager, you'd still be talking about the vast majority of GW players.

Face it Andaras, you're a rich kid who goes to a private christian school and plays bourgeois games. Not sure about the rich, but private school and warhammer (even if you don't collect) indicate a certain amount of wealth that most "working" class don't have.

I am a working class(my dad is a welder and my mom is an auditor of sorts for an insureance comapny but she audits peoples work within the company) kid. I just save my money for things I enjoy. My parents only buy me stuff like this on my birthday and at christmas. Otherwise everything i get for entertainment i buy myself with my own money I have earned.

Even if you put kid as meaning teenager, you'd still be talking about the vast majority of GW players.

Face it Andaras, you're a rich kid who goes to a private christian school and plays bourgeois games. Not sure about the rich, but private school and warhammer (even if you don't collect) indicate a certain amount of wealth that most "working" class don't have.

Actually, most of the guys I see at the Battle Bunker (About 75%) are at least college age.

What is battle bunker. I ahve heard it mentioned before on other websites but I still don't know what it is.

What is battle bunker. I ahve heard it mentioned before on other websites but I still don't know what it is.

A Battle Bunker is basically a Games Workshop store with a lot of gaming tables and areas to work on models. Normal GW stores usually have some of that, but the Bunkers are meant to accomodate at least 25-20 games simultaneously. This is where most of the special events are.