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just came across this and thought it amusing so sharing it

Lets try another test! Go to a batting cage, put enough change in, so that it will shoot out 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 balls, put a blind fold on, turn up some ‘tunes’ grab a bat, that is as big as a spaghetti noodle, and try to knock one out of the park! That, is how science says the universe was created! Now, put enough change in for 1 ball, get a bat the size of a small tree, take off the blind fold, and turn off the music, and then knock that ball out of the park! That, is how Christianity can relate to how the universe was created!"

I dont know about you but I think if I put on a blind fold,and my tunes turned up holding a bat, that is as big as a spaghetti noodle I could hit at least 1 ball out of the park out of 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 damn I think I could hit at least 10 without even working out the timing

No, you couldn't. If you're really into science then you'd know that 1) The Principle of Getting Bored of Hitting Things would win, and 2) This is not how evolution happened.

Evolution would be more like starting off with some flour and water, and having balls chucked at you. Sometimes there won't be any balls when you'd like, other times there'll be like 20 at once, just to mess things up a bit. By the end, you'd be able to make a pretty acceptable bat out of some kind of flour and water based mix, with a little room for improvement. Oh also, some of the balls might sometimes be made of, say, lead or snow instead of... ball material. And there'd be like 100 other people trying at once, with different types of flour, or pebbles or whatever.

No, you couldn't. If you're really into science then you'd know that 1) The Principle of Getting Bored of Hitting Things would win, and 2) This is not how evolution happened.

Evolution would be more like starting off with some flour and water, and having balls chucked at you. Sometimes there won't be any balls when you'd like, other times there'll be like 20 at once, just to mess things up a bit. By the end, you'd be able to make a pretty acceptable bat out of some kind of flour and water based mix, with a little room for improvement. Oh also, some of the balls might sometimes be made of, say, lead or snow instead of... ball material. And there'd be like 100 other people trying at once, with different types of flour, or pebbles or whatever.

Heh evolution says nowt about how the universe started, which is what the OP is talking about.

I find it an adequate anology, except I would also add, imagine if you had 1000000000000000000000000 times to try this, then you would practicaly be garenteed to hit one ball once.

I find it an adequate anology, except I would also add, imagine if you had 1000000000000000000000000 times to try this, then you would practicaly be garenteed to hit one ball once.
Since neither flora nor fauna, nor their environment remains even vaguely the same for 10^Ridiculous generations, I don't think it's a particularly great analogy.

That you'd hit a ball within even 100 is fairly guaranteed. That you'd ever hit one out of the ground is a wee bit ridiculous.

Since neither flora nor fauna, nor their environment remains even vaguely the same for 10^Ridiculous generations, I don't think it's a particularly great analogy.

That you'd hit a ball within even 100 is fairly guaranteed. That you'd ever hit one out of the ground is a wee bit ridiculous.

What do Flora or fauna have to do with it not talking about, this is about the creation of the universe not evolution has the great and gentlemanly Peepelonia as already said

What do Flora or fauna have to do with it not talking about, this is about the creation of the universe not evolution has the great and gentlemanly Peepelonia
as already said
Well the scientific version is about the same, to be quite honest.

"There was nowt, then there was summit"

Because they don't read it out in a church, they can get away with this.

What do Flora or fauna have to do with it not talking about, this is about the creation of the universe not evolution has the great and gentlemanly Peepelonia as already said

I'm not sure what you're babbling about. I find obtuse creationist bullshit quite incomprehensible.

Well the scientific version is about the same, to be quite honest.

"There was nowt, then there was summit"

Because they don't read it out in a church, they can get away with this.

Well I dunno about that. Wot with brane theory, which suggests there never was nowt there was always summit, which I attempted to show with my added bit.

If the conditions where right for the universe to 'become' and if fact had been right 1000000000000 times before then we could expect at least 1 universe 1 time of trying wouldn't you say?

just came across this and thought it amusing so sharing it

Lets try another test! Go to a batting cage, put enough change in, so that it will shoot out 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 balls, put a blind fold on, turn up some ‘tunes’ grab a bat, that is as big as a spaghetti noodle, and try to knock one out of the park! That, is how science says the universe was created! Now, put enough change in for 1 ball, get a bat the size of a small tree, take off the blind fold, and turn off the music, and then knock that ball out of the park! That, is how Christianity can relate to how the universe was created!"

I dont know about you but I think if I put on a blind fold,and my tunes turned up holding a bat, that is as big as a spaghetti noodle I could hit at least 1 ball out of the park out of 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 damn I think I could hit at least 10 without even working out the timing

now please explain how this is an analogy for the big bang or whatever its an analogy of. it makes it easier to respond to what you are getting at.

Well the scientific version is about the same, to be quite honest.

"There was nowt, then there was summit"

Because they don't read it out in a church, they can get away with this.

there alot of truth in that statement but at least science is not adding an extra level and creating a creator

I'm not sure what you're babbling about. I find obtuse creationist bullshit quite incomprehensible.

this is creationist bullshit? and there i thought it was on the science side of the debate, the scale have fallen from my eyes!
please reread you find it is on science side of the debate not that it matters i merely said it was amusing not what side i fell on. (it not creationism if it any help)

Well I dunno about that. Wot with brane theory, which suggests there never was nowt there was always summit, which I attempted to show with my added bit.

If the conditions where right for the universe to 'become' and if fact had been right 1000000000000 times before then we could expect at least 1 universe 1 time of trying wouldn't you say?

As time increases the chances of even indescribably rare events happening become almost a certainty. Who knows how long the universe was just a void before?

I have a red ball.

I have a red ball.

No you don't...

*takes Philosopy's ball*

No you don't...

*takes Philosopy's ball*

*Cries*

*Cries*

*feels bad*
*gives ball back*

Well I dunno about that. Wot with brane theory, which suggests there never was nowt there was always summit, which I attempted to show with my added bit.

If the conditions where right for the universe to 'become' and if fact had been right 1000000000000 times before then we could expect at least 1 universe 1 time of trying wouldn't you say?
I'm dubious about the whole affair. But then I would be.

"There was never nowt but then err something happened somehow, and then there was the universe!"

now please explain how this is an analogy for the big bang or whatever its an analogy of. it makes it easier to respond to what you are getting at.
Jesus Hitler Christ! i wish i ain't put this in. O.k it mere how the two side of the argument see the odds of the universe was created Christian see it as a certainty while big bang theorist see it as long odds. but it add a little bit at the end which basicly says
As time increases the chances of even indescribably rare events happening become almost a certainty. Who knows how long the universe was just a void before?

I'm dubious about the whole affair. But then I would be.

"There was never nowt but then err something happened somehow, and then there was the universe!"

Welcome to the world of quantum physics!

"There was never nowt but then err something happened somehow, and then there was the universe!"

i pesonally think it only a matter of time before we know what was before the big bang, but i hope it ain't god cos he going be real pissed off with me!

Jesus Hitler Christ! i wish i ain't put this in. O.k it mere how the two side of the argument see the odds of the universe was created Christian see it as a certainty while big bang theorist see it as long odds. but it add a little bit at the end which basicly says

so you are suggesting that creationists discount the idea of the big bang as being too improbable to have a chance to be true and you are countering that supposed argument by pointing out that the endless eons involved in getting it to happen made it the more likely possibility?

Welcome to the world of quantum physics!
"It's the Jean-Paul Sartre of the science world!"

so you are suggesting that creationists discount the idea of the big bang as being too improbable to have a chance to be true and you are countering that supposed argument by pointing out that the endless eons involved in getting it to happen made it the more likely possibility?

Kinda. as i said, i found the passage and it amuse me thought more people would find it amusing so posted it

Kinda. as i said, i found the passage and it amuse me thought more people would find it amusing so posted it

i got distracted by thinking that the spaghetti bat would break every time and that it didnt really say where all the extra bats were going to come from.

i got distracted by thinking that the spaghetti bat would break every time and that it didnt really say where all the extra bats were going to come from.
Quite.

Quite.

For the analogy to work wouldn't you need an infinite number of varied bats?

For the analogy to work wouldn't you need an infinite number of varied bats?
And an (almost) equal number of anti-bats.

Quite.

besides you did his example in with your citation of "The Principle of Getting Bored of Hitting Things "

and it made me giggle.

besides you did his example in with your citation of "The Principle of Getting Bored of Hitting Things "

and it made me giggle.
I aim to please :)

i got distracted by thinking that the spaghetti bat would break every time and that it didnt really say where all the extra bats were going to come from.

never claimed it was perfect,

This thread title is lulz for innuendo.

And an (almost) equal number of anti-bats.

best post so far.

Anyone who believes God created the universe shouldn't respond unless they understand Yootopia's post.

This thread title is lulz for innuendo.

omg someone else says 'lulz'! I'm in love!







not with you though.
still, respect, man, respect.

As time increases the chances of even indescribably rare events happening become almost a certainty. Who knows how long the universe was just a void before?

How about the Planet that has such peculiar wind and rain erosion that it completely by random accident creates a Giant identical replica of Las Vegas?

So universe was more to do with pieces of spaghetti than a God? well that would explain the flying spaghetti monster, but i'm a little confused by your example.

I suppose you could find out how the universe starts by how it ends, so if you had the power to destroy the universe, perhaps you could find out how it all happened, maybe.

Another thing i was wondering was, if you kill someone their sense of the universe ends, so in a sense you're destroying a part of the universe, so maybe the universe could be similar to how humans are born, it was part of a chain of universes before that which evolved to this one, where it's trying to get rid of some anomolies yet it doesn't know where it's going precisely.
Just a thought, don't know if it works.

EDIT: Another idea i have is that our concept of time is backward. The universe is in fact destroyed in the Big Bang, so it had to reverse itself to an earlier point to avoid this, so our concept of time is that we are in fact going to the beginning of the universe, not necessarily it's end. As humans we caused part of this problem so time is going backward for whatever reason to fix this problem, and humans have to come up with an idea (in fact not really humans, just some intelligent lifeform in any shape) to keep the universe going, maybe. So when people are born in fact they die, also human ideas come from something before them. So in a reversed world human ideas come before their causes, meaning a solution to the universe problem is more likely, as humans (or any other intelligent lifeform) try to think of something.
Also this would mean our theories on the big bang cannot see anything before the big bang because there is nothing before it, or in other words there is nothing after the big bang because that's the end of the universe. Reversed time.
And this would mean black holes, aren't really sucking things in, they're producing parts of the universe, perhaps another beings way of trying to stop the universe from ending.
i know it sounds silly but it could be true. maybe.

*feels bad*
*gives ball back*

<paints ball blue so he's still incorrect>

I dont know about you but I think if I put on a blind fold,and my tunes turned up holding a bat, that is as big as a spaghetti noodle I could hit at least 1 ball out of the park out of 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 damn I think I could hit at least 10 without even working out the timing

I dare you to try it. I wager that infact, you won't knock one ball into the infield, much less out of the park.

why? a bat with the thickness of a spaghetti noodle would break against the energy stored in the baseball.

and with the blindfold on, you won't tell when your bat is broken, so you'll still be swinging with nothing to hit the balls with.

and this is assuming a full randomizer in the pitching machine... varying speeds, rythim, and angles.

No you don't...

*takes Philosopy's ball*

... that sounds very, VERY painful Dyakovo... :p

... that sounds very, VERY painful Dyakovo... :p

lmao
What can I say? I'm a bastard.