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For Canadians no explanation is required, since we all know what Roll up the Rim to Win is about. For our foreign friends, I'll provide a quick overview.

Basically, around this time every year, Tim Hortons has a contest called "Roll up the Rim to Win". The prize is under the rim of the drink you order and can be any number of items.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hortons#Roll_Up_the_Rim_to_Win

Now then, yesterday it was my turn to do the sandwich run, which includes getting coffee and tim bits. I brought home two cups of coffee. Mine proved to not be a winner. My husband didn't roll up the rim on his.

Fast forward to today. I was just picking up crap off the floor from around the computers, and I found his empty cup, the rim not rolled up, and I figured I would go ahead and roll it up. The prize is a doughnut.

The way I see it, he left the cup on the floor and while cleaning, I found it, hence the prize is mine. Do I get to claim it or should I give it to him, even though he failed to roll up the rim and left the empty cup on the floor?

It's yours. All yours.

What kind of a name is 'Tim Hortons' for a restaurant?

It's yours. All yours.

What kind of a name is 'Tim Hortons' for a restaurant?

He was a hockey player.

He was a hockey player.

Sounds more like a bank manager.

Does he make nice doughnuts?

EDIT: This:

Tim Hortons franchise stores are plentiful in Canadian cities and towns. As of July 1, 2007, there were 2,733 outlets in Canada, 345 outlets in the United States and one outlet just outside Kandahar, Afghanistan

did make me laugh. :p

where do ethics come into donuts? where talking about extreme situations here people :p

...what kind of donut is it?

You should keep it, you found it. How is this a moral issue? It's just a $0.80 donut...


did make me laugh. :p

they opened that because all the Canadian soldiers in Kandahar missed Tim Horton's coffee and donuts.

You should keep it cos you can withhold sex if he argues. :)

its yours, he abandoned it.

Split it half if you want to be nice, if not, it's your's, keep it.

Legal precedent states that whoever first finds the rolled cup and decides to unroll it gets the prize.

The contest caused some controversy in 2006 when a school girl found a Tim Hortons cup with an unrolled rim in a garbage bin. Unfortunately, she could not roll up the rim and asked another girl for help. Upon successfully rolling the rim, they discovered that the cup was a winner — they'd won a car.

Each child's parents claimed that their child had found it, meaning that they were the true winners of the vehicle. Meanwhile, a lawyer representing a man who claimed to have thrown the cup out in that wastebin demanded a DNA test. After a lengthy dispute, the car was awarded to the family of the girl who first discovered the cup in the garbage.

Linky. (http://everything2.com/e2node/Roll%2520Up%2520the%2520Rim%2520to%2520Win)

Depends, how much do you like your husband?:p

where do ethics come into donuts? where talking about extreme situations here people :p

...what kind of donut is it?

Any kind I want. I can even get cookies or a muffin. The contest guidelines are nice like that.

You should keep it, you found it. How is this a moral issue? It's just a $0.80 donut...

It is because it was his cup of coffee... and I wanted to be nice.........

its yours, he abandoned it.

Good call.

Split it half if you want to be nice, if not, it's your's, keep it.

Ah yes... "IF"... :D :D :D

Keep it, but give him some extra lovin' tonight. That way he's happy - extra lovin' is always good :D And you're happy because you got to get a doughnut AND to burn the calories straight off :)

The way I see it, he left the cup on the floor and while cleaning, I found it, hence the prize is mine. Do I get to claim it or should I give it to him, even though he failed to roll up the rim and left the empty cup on the floor?

I can't believe how many people said keep it.

It's like finding a lottery ticket. It's not yours. Or finding someone's gold watch that they accidentally left in your pocket when they borrowed your coat. Justify it how you'd like, but it's not your property, unless you actually are arguing he abandoned it...which is questionable.

There is a presumption against abandonment.

Legal precedent states that whoever first finds the rolled cup and decides to unroll it gets the prize. Ah but in that case, the cup was abandoned. In this case, the cup is not necessarily abandoned...he didn't throw it in the trash or in other ways show his intent to rid himself of the cup. Leaving it lying around does not mean he has given up his proprietal interest in the cup. Finders are not keepers in most cases.

You should keep it, you found it. How is this a moral issue? It's just a $0.80 donut...


And somehow it would become a moral issue out of the blue if the prize were say, a jeep?

From a general perspective...it's a fucking donut.

From a technical perspective...the donut's half yours, if you want to be moral, take the donut and leave him half the value of said donut on the floor where his cup used to be.

From a broader legal perspective, if he had not taken steps to rid himself of control of the cup then it was still his posession and taking it is theft. However as his wife, depending on the law of canada, it might be that it was your cup too, equally entitling you to take it.

And somehow it would become a moral issue out of the blue if the prize were say, a jeep?

answer me this about canadian law. It's her husband's cup, is canada communal property country? is it equally her cup as well?

answer me this about canadian law. It's her husband's cup, is canada communal property country? is it equally her cup as well?

No, we don't have community of property outside of Quebec. So, if she lives in Quebec (which I know she doesn't), then the cup would immediately become vested in her to the extent of 50%. The rest of Canada, like most common law jurisdictions would give her an interst in her husband's estate to the extent of 50% (barring a pre-nup) that would crystalise upon the dissolution of the marriage, or the death of her spouse. Until then, they are separate as to property. She is entitled to nothing at this point.

No, we don't have community of property outside of Quebec. So, if she lives in Quebec (which I know she doesn't), then the cup would immediately become vested in her to the extent of 50%. The rest of Canada, like most common law jurisdictions would give her an interst in her husband's estate to the extent of 50% (barring a pre-nup) that would crystalise upon the dissolution of the marriage, or the death of her spouse. She is entitled to nothing at this point.

but if they were to divorce she'd be entitled to half a donut?

but if they were to divorce she'd be entitled to half a donut?

Only if the donut still existed. He can do whatever he likes to his property up until the dissolution of their marriage. Her rights only exist at that moment, and she can only claim what he has at that moment. So assuming he'd eat the donut, there would be nothing for her to claim.

Ah but in that case, the cup was abandoned. In this case, the cup is not necessarily abandoned...he didn't throw it in the trash or in other ways show his intent to rid himself of the cup. Leaving it lying around does not mean he has given up his proprietal interest in the cup. Finders are not keepers in most cases.

From a broader legal perspective, if he had not taken steps to rid himself of control of the cup then it was still his posession and taking it is theft. However as his wife, depending on the law of canada, it might be that it was your cup too, equally entitling you to take it.

...Fast forward to today. I was just picking up crap off the floor from around the computers, and I found his empty cup...he failed to roll up the rim and left the empty cup on the floor?

If it can be shown that he habitually throws garbage on the floor around the computer, then you probably argue that he had thrown it away. It's her donut.

Split it and have sex afterwards? Or eat it, confess, have a fight about it and have make-up sex afterwards. Hmm, I'm still doubting...

If it can be shown that he habitually throws garbage on the floor around the computer, then you probably argue that he had thrown it away. It's her donut.

He always throws his trash on the floor, even though he's next to the garbage can which is like a foot from his computer. That side of the living room is often littered with trash.

As for the doughnut in question, there is no doughnut yet of which to speak, just the ticket to redeem.

Sounds more like a bank manager.

Does he make nice doughnuts?

EDIT: This:



did make me laugh. :p

ZOMG, there are Tim Hortons in the States? *grabs wallet and keys*

If you rolled up the rim before you gave it to him, then that would be wrong.

However, if he couldn't be bothered looking & left it behind, then it's fair game & you can claim the donut!

Of course, you could share it with him.

He always throws his trash on the floor, even though he's next to the garbage can which is like a foot from his computer. That side of the living room is often littered with trash.

As for the doughnut in question, there is no doughnut yet of which to speak, just the ticket to redeem.

Redeem the ticket, eat the doughnut, then tell him in sweet voice you "stole" his doughnut and would he please punish you ;)

For Canadians no explanation is required, since we all know what Roll up the Rim to Win is about. For our foreign friends, I'll provide a quick overview.

Basically, around this time every year, Tim Hortons has a contest called "Roll up the Rim to Win". The prize is under the rim of the drink you order and can be any number of items.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hortons#Roll_Up_the_Rim_to_Win

Now then, yesterday it was my turn to do the sandwich run, which includes getting coffee and tim bits. I brought home two cups of coffee. Mine proved to not be a winner. My husband didn't roll up the rim on his.

Fast forward to today. I was just picking up crap off the floor from around the computers, and I found his empty cup, the rim not rolled up, and I figured I would go ahead and roll it up. The prize is a doughnut.

The way I see it, he left the cup on the floor and while cleaning, I found it, hence the prize is mine. Do I get to claim it or should I give it to him, even though he failed to roll up the rim and left the empty cup on the floor?

You're married? Why not share then?