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I just wanted to caution both those on the Clinton and Obama sides of this increasingly lively campaign that the real opposition is not to be found between each other. Both Clinton and Obama have similar views on the issues. Both are stars in the Democratic Party. Both would made very good Presidents.

Once the nominee has been decided at the convention, the real fireworks begin. Although I myself back Clinton very strongly, I am going to support whoever the eventual nominee is. If it is Obama, I expect Clinton and her supporters to back him up, and vice versa regardless of whether we have an Obama-Clinton ticket, a Clinton-Obama ticket, or something else entirely.

The country cannot afford four more years of George W. Bush, even if it is the Bush-remix that is John McCain.

No fair! The election megathread reappeared immediately after I posted here! :headbang:

No fair! The election megathread reappeared immediately after I posted here! :headbang:

(A la Nelson from the Simpsons)

HAA HAW!

Dear god stop spamming dammit.

Dear god stop spamming dammit.

Speaking as an atheist, I doubt god has anything to do with spam.

Speaking as an atheist, I doubt god has anything to do with spam.

But if you're an atheist how can you think a God exists to do anything with spam?
Oh and if a God does exist and did create everything it's likely he also created spam.

I very much doubt Clinton would prove a president superior to McCain, considering that she is more pro-war than he is. Obama might make a so-so leader, but I am still voting third-party.

Didn't you already do one of these a few weeks ago when Hillary started getting her ass whooped?

Didn't you already do one of these a few weeks ago when Hillary started getting her ass whooped?

Yes.

The "remember,were on the same side and really love each other" starts to come out from the Clinton campaign when shes getting her teeth kicked in.

What is it with the mentality that you should vote against something?

If I had to choose between Hillary and McCain, I would choose an entirely third party. If enough people thought like that in the US, then you wouldn't have to always choose between two.

I'm reminded of the thread that mentioned that just because you're both on the left or the right, doesn't mean that you'll agree.

I very much doubt Clinton would prove a president superior to McCain, considering that she is more pro-war than he is.

This is far from the first time I've seen this sentiment stated on these forums and I have yet to see anyone actually back it up with any substance.

Clinton opposes the Iraq War, opposed the surge, and has sought to prevent the Bush Administration from starting a war with Iran. John McCain strongly supports the current war and is extremely hawkish when it comes to foreign relations. What exactly has Senator Clinton done or said that makes her more pro-war than John McCain?

Obama might make a so-so leader, but I am still voting third-party.

You really should take a closer look at Senator Obama. He will be a great President. ;)

The country cannot afford four more years of George W. Bush, even if it is the Bush-remix that is John McCain.

You do realise that Bush, McCain, Obama and Clinton are basicly all the same ? Just like about every politician in the extremely "politically narrowminded" USA ?

Yes.

The "remember,were on the same side and really love each other" starts to come out from the Clinton campaign when shes getting her teeth kicked in.

Doesn't make it any less valid a point. In fact, it seems to be a point Obama supporters should strongly push for, given the likelihood he will be the nominee.

What is it with the mentality that you should vote against something?

If I had to choose between Hillary and McCain, I would choose an entirely third party. If enough people thought like that in the US, then you wouldn't have to always choose between two.

I'm reminded of the thread that mentioned that just because you're both on the left or the right, doesn't mean that you'll agree.

Meh. At least you aren't saying you'll vote for McCain.

There are relatively small differences in policy between Clinton and Obama. Can you explain why you would support Obama, but not Clinton? And who would you vote for?

You do realise that Bush, McCain, Obama and Clinton are basicly all the same ? Just like about every politician in the extremely "politically narrowminded" USA ?

Bullshit. There are substantial substance difference between Bush and McCain on the one hand and Clinton and Obama on the other.

Little things like the war in Iraq come to mind.

Doesn't make it any less valid a point. In fact, it seems to be a point Obama supporters should strongly push for, given the likelihood he will be the nominee.



I honostly would have to watch a Clinton/McCain debate and such before I decided if I would vote for Clinton or The Vulcan.

The idea that there is little difference between Bush/McCain and Clinton/Obama is a false one.

Towards proving that, I'll repeat my list of reasons why John McCain is a bad choice for President based on OnTheIssues (http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm):

Abortion:
Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Boasts of long voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe
Will continue do that as President.
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions (Oct 2007)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)

Budget & Economy:
Things are tough now, but we're better off than in 2000. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Said--then denied--he needed economics education. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Criticized "Woodstock museum," but skipped vote. (Nov 2007)

Civil Rights:
Don't ask, don't tell is working; don't tamper with it. (Jun 2007)
Confederate flag on top of capitol was wrong; in front is ok. (May 2007)
Leave gay marriage to the states. (Jan 2007)
Ten Commandments would bring virtue to our schools. (Jan 2000)
Confederate flag is a “symbol of heritage”. (Jan 2000)
Allow, but not mandate, school prayer. (Jan 2000)
Supports Amendment against flag-burning. (Apr 1999)
Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Rated 0% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 33% by the HRC, indicating a mixed record on gay rights. (Dec 2006)
Rated 7% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

Corporations:
Cut corporate income taxes to keep jobs here. (Jan 2008)
Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)

Crime:
Judges have limited scope under the Constitution. (Nov 2006)
More death penalty; stricter sentencing. (Jan 2000)
More community policing; enough hate crime laws. (Jan 2000)
Prosecute youths as adults, but separately; explore sources. (Jan 2000)
Voted YES on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
Voted YES on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)

Drugs:
Stricter penalties; stricter enforcement. (Jul 1998)

Education:
Teaching creationism should be decided by school districts. (Jun 2007)
Teach virtues in all schools. (Dec 1999)
Charters, homeschooling, & vouchers are key to success. (Dec 2007)
Voted NO on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on declaring memorial prayers and religious symbols OK at schools. (May 1999)
Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)

Families & Children:
Unfiltered Internet robs our children of their innocence. (Dec 1999)
Label violent media products like we label cigarettes. (Jun 1999)
Media Responsibility Act requires video & music labeling. (Jun 1999)
Violence in media caused Littleton shootings. (Apr 1999)
Rated 83% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Foreign Policy:
Maintain Cuban embargo; indict Castro. (Dec 2007)
Situation in Pakistan very serious, but not nuclear threat. (Oct 2007)
Naive to exclude nukes; naive to exclude attacking Pakistan. (Aug 2007)
Overthrow “rogue” governments to keep Americans safe. (Feb 2000)
Russia: Sanctions until Putin exits Chechnya. (Jan 2000)
Cuba: No diplomatic and trade relations. (Jul 1998)
Support the One-China policy, don’t weaken it. (Mar 2000)

Miscellaneous:
Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Rated 15% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
Voted with Republican Party 87.3% of 165 votes. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
Rated 33% by the AU, a mixed record on church-state separation. (Dec 2006)
Voted YES on using the Social Security Surplus to fund tax reductions. (Jul 1999)

Homeland Security:
Discard ABM Treaty and develop a missile defense. (Apr 1999)
Keep “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy - it works. (Jan 2000)
Voted NO on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted NO on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record. (Dec 2003)

Taxes:
Opposed Bush tax cuts, but must extend them now. (May 2007)
Bush tax cuts fiscally reckless & favored rich;but keep them. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted YES on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)

War & Peace:
100 YEARS IN IRAQ "WOULD BE FINE WITH ME"
Iran is state sponsor of terrorism; no more evidence needed. (Nov 2007)
Iran is sponsor of terrorism; US strike if they get nukes. (May 2007)
Keep military option open against Iran, even if no nukes. (Dec 2007)
No direct talk with Iran; talk is over-rated. (Dec 2007)
Support the surge even if benchmarks are not met. (Aug 2007)
Did not read NIE before war vote, but was fully briefed. (Jun 2007)
In hindsight, Iraq invasion was still justified. (May 2007)
Congress has no authority to cut off funds for Iraqi use. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months. (Dec 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)

Really? Perhap you should take a closer look at McCain. I can't imagine how someone that agrees with Obama on the issues could possibly vote for McCain.

Towards that end, I'll repeat my list of reasons why John McCain is a bad choice for President based on OnTheIssues (http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm):

Abortion:
Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Boasts of long voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe
Will continue do that as President.
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions (Oct 2007)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)

Budget & Economy:
Things are tough now, but we're better off than in 2000. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Said--then denied--he needed economics education. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Criticized "Woodstock museum," but skipped vote. (Nov 2007)

Civil Rights:
Don't ask, don't tell is working; don't tamper with it. (Jun 2007)
Confederate flag on top of capitol was wrong; in front is ok. (May 2007)
Leave gay marriage to the states. (Jan 2007)
Ten Commandments would bring virtue to our schools. (Jan 2000)
Confederate flag is a “symbol of heritage”. (Jan 2000)
Allow, but not mandate, school prayer. (Jan 2000)
Supports Amendment against flag-burning. (Apr 1999)
Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Rated 0% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 33% by the HRC, indicating a mixed record on gay rights. (Dec 2006)
Rated 7% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

Corporations:
Cut corporate income taxes to keep jobs here. (Jan 2008)
Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)

Crime:
Judges have limited scope under the Constitution. (Nov 2006)
More death penalty; stricter sentencing. (Jan 2000)
More community policing; enough hate crime laws. (Jan 2000)
Prosecute youths as adults, but separately; explore sources. (Jan 2000)
Voted YES on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
Voted YES on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)

Drugs:
Stricter penalties; stricter enforcement. (Jul 1998)

Education:
Teaching creationism should be decided by school districts. (Jun 2007)
Teach virtues in all schools. (Dec 1999)
Charters, homeschooling, & vouchers are key to success. (Dec 2007)
Voted NO on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on declaring memorial prayers and religious symbols OK at schools. (May 1999)
Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)

Families & Children:
Unfiltered Internet robs our children of their innocence. (Dec 1999)
Label violent media products like we label cigarettes. (Jun 1999)
Media Responsibility Act requires video & music labeling. (Jun 1999)
Violence in media caused Littleton shootings. (Apr 1999)
Rated 83% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Foreign Policy:
Maintain Cuban embargo; indict Castro. (Dec 2007)
Situation in Pakistan very serious, but not nuclear threat. (Oct 2007)
Naive to exclude nukes; naive to exclude attacking Pakistan. (Aug 2007)
Overthrow “rogue” governments to keep Americans safe. (Feb 2000)
Russia: Sanctions until Putin exits Chechnya. (Jan 2000)
Cuba: No diplomatic and trade relations. (Jul 1998)
Support the One-China policy, don’t weaken it. (Mar 2000)

Miscellaneous:
Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Rated 15% by the AFL-CIO, indicating an anti-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
Voted with Republican Party 87.3% of 165 votes. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
Rated 33% by the AU, a mixed record on church-state separation. (Dec 2006)
Voted YES on using the Social Security Surplus to fund tax reductions. (Jul 1999)

Homeland Security:
Discard ABM Treaty and develop a missile defense. (Apr 1999)
Keep “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy - it works. (Jan 2000)
Voted NO on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted NO on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record. (Dec 2003)

Taxes:
Opposed Bush tax cuts, but must extend them now. (May 2007)
Bush tax cuts fiscally reckless & favored rich;but keep them. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted YES on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)

War & Peace:
100 YEARS IN IRAQ "WOULD BE FINE WITH ME"
Iran is state sponsor of terrorism; no more evidence needed. (Nov 2007)
Iran is sponsor of terrorism; US strike if they get nukes. (May 2007)
Keep military option open against Iran, even if no nukes. (Dec 2007)
No direct talk with Iran; talk is over-rated. (Dec 2007)
Support the surge even if benchmarks are not met. (Aug 2007)
Did not read NIE before war vote, but was fully briefed. (Jun 2007)
In hindsight, Iraq invasion was still justified. (May 2007)
Congress has no authority to cut off funds for Iraqi use. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months. (Dec 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)


McCain is not the Vulcan. Nader is the Vulcan. I would never vote for McCain and I never said I would.

McCain is not the Vulcan. Nader is the Vulcan. I would never vote for McCain and I never said I would.

Oops. My bad. I lost track of your derogatory nicknames.

Oops. My bad. I lost track of your derogatory nicknames.

The Vulcan is not derogatoy. Its a pretty common nickname and is used in fun.

I at least dont mean it to be derogatory.

Let's Remember The Real Opponent Here

yep... voter Apathy.

an idiot can be voted into office if that idiot is the only one to vote.

This is far from the first time I've seen this sentiment stated on these forums and I have yet to see anyone actually back it up with any substance.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545321

You really should take a closer look at Senator Obama. He will be a great President. ;)

Your optimism is nauseating, and I mean that in the kindest possible way.

Whats ironic is that Mc. Cain is getting a head start on the General Election campaign, which will help him in the long run. Once the Democrats choose their nomination, (s)he going to have to run to catch up to Mc. Cain.

Whats ironic is that Mc. Cain is getting a head start on the General Election campaign, which will help him in the long run. Once the Democrats choose their nomination, (s)he going to have to run to catch up to Mc. Cain.

actually... McCain has the onus of an Unpopular War that the Dems are nailing the Reps with, also the fact that President Bush has publically supported McCain.

I think he NEEDS the head start just to have an even race. :p

Yes, I agree - we should all remember that no matter who wins the Democratic nomination, the opponent is still the Democratic nominee. :p Glad to clear that up. :)

actually... McCain has the onus of an Unpopular War that the Dems are nailing the Reps with, also the fact that President Bush has publically supported McCain.

I think he NEEDS the head start just to have an even race. :p

Indeed, all anyone has to do is say "Hey, McCain, who supports you? Oh thats right Bush." And then play a clip of him saying he wants us in Iraq for 100 years if we need to be, and its game over.

Indeed, all anyone has to do is say "Hey, McCain, who supports you? Oh thats right Bush." And then play a clip of him saying he wants us in Iraq for 100 years if we need to be, and its game over.

actually... McCain has the onus of an Unpopular War that the Dems are nailing the Reps with, also the fact that President Bush has publically supported McCain.

I think he NEEDS the head start just to have an even race. :p

But Hillary is unpopular enough that she's losing the Democratic race and polls has Mc. Cain beating her. So, I wouldn't count your eggs just yet.

But Hillary is unpopular enough that she's losing the Democratic race and polls has Mc. Cain beating her. So, I wouldn't count your eggs just yet.

... so are you looking at a Clintion/McCain fight... or an Obama/McCain fight?

Me, I still am rooting for the Third Party! :p

Clinton opposes the Iraq War, opposed the surge, and has sought to prevent the Bush Administration from starting a war with Iran.

Dear God, next time warn me before you post something like that. I laughed so hard I almost shat my pants! :D

Doesn't make it any less valid a point. In fact, it seems to be a point Obama supporters should strongly push for, given the likelihood he will be the nominee.



Meh. At least you aren't saying you'll vote for McCain.

There are relatively small differences in policy between Clinton and Obama. Can you explain why you would support Obama, but not Clinton? And who would you vote for?

I wouldn't vote for anyone, because I'm not American :P

However, in the last elections I was in, I voted for The Party that I liked and not just the opposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radikale_Venstre)

I wouldn't vote for Obama either, but he is quite charismatic and I hold nothing against him. If I had to choose between him and Clinton, I would choose him (but I wouldn't choose him if I had other, better choices). Clinton doesn't come across as charismatic, she doesn't come across as being a good leader and there are certain ideas that I find utterly repulsive (Her attitudes on war and video games... amusing how she blames video games for violence and seems to have nothing against perpetuating it).

... so are you looking at a Clintion/McCain fight... or an Obama/McCain fight?

Me, I still am rooting for the Third Party! :p

Yea, I'm pulling for the Libertarians (I know, no surprise there). I'm actually hoping for a Clinton/Mc. Cain fight. It's not that I like Mc. Cain, He's a Neo-Con so I hate him. I just think with both parties picking a candidate that just suck so bad, people will actually start to look at a third party to vote for.

*crosses fingers*

This is the list of issues that agree with McCain on:
Teaching creationism should be decided by school districts.
Charters, homeschooling, & vouchers are key to success.
... That's pretty much it.
Yea, I'm pulling for the Libertarians (I know, no surprise there). I'm actually hoping for a Clinton/Mc. Cain fight. It's not that I like Mc. Cain, He's a Neo-Con so I hate him. I just think with both parties picking a candidate that just suck so bad, people will actually start to look at a third party to vote for.

*Crosses fingers also*
There are relatively small differences in policy between Clinton and Obama
Good one! ... Please tell me you were joking...

This is the list of issues that agree with McCain on:
Teaching creationism should be decided by school districts.

Only if they don't teach it as science. I mean, could you imagine a school district deciding to teach alchemy instead of chemistry?

It would have disastrous results.

This is the list of issues that agree with McCain on:
Teaching creationism should be decided by school districts.
Charters, homeschooling, & vouchers are key to success.
... That's pretty much it.

thats not much.

Only if they don't teach it as science.

No. Creationism cannot be subjected to the scientific method, and cannot be tested, therefore I agree. It shouldn't be taught as science, because God is not scientific but rather supernatural.

The country cannot afford four more years of George W. Bush
Then why support Hillary? She's the Democratic version of him. McCain is not a carbon copy. He's called a maverick for a reason. And despite some of his conservative words lately, he will continue his moderate course and is certainly the best for handling Iraq, should we stay.

McCain is not a carbon copy. He's called a maverick for a reason.

And that reason is him spending years at convincing people that he is one, relying on the fact that most people won't look at his voting record. If you think he's a maverick in any way, shape, or form, you've never seen what he actually supports.

Let's remember the real opponent here - ourselves.

Let's remember the real opponent here - ourselves.

Do you mean other people on NSG or OURselves?
i struggle to find how you can oppose yourself, other than in a subconscious way.

Let's Remember The Real Opponent Here

the judean people's front?

the judean people's front?
the People's Front of Judea is much worse.

If Clinton pulls a miracle and gets the nomination, I will consider voting for one of Ventura/Nader/Bloomberg. Yes I know they are a bit dissimilar issues-wise.

Please, do not ever use the words "Clinton" and "miracle" in the same sentence.

the People's Front of Judea is much worse.

Splitters!

Please, do not ever use the words "Clinton" and "miracle" in the same sentence.
Sorry. Is there an antonym for miracle?

And that reason is him spending years at convincing people that he is one, relying on the fact that most people won't look at his voting record. If you think he's a maverick in any way, shape, or form, you've never seen what he actually supports.
1. Litmus testing based on voting records isn't a good way to choose
2. That is only looking at him partially.

1. Litmus testing based on voting records isn't a good way to choose
2. That is only looking at him partially.

In other words, you're wrong but don't want to admit it.