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No, they don't all kill for Islam

Sanmartin
14-03-2008, 16:44
When they kill, sometimes it's for a sum of money that means a lot there, and would probably not buy much here. Or sometimes, they don't really want to hurt anyone, but want to do it for the money, or "the cause". And sometimes it's the blind, the mentally challenged, and the kids that are sent out.

Sure, the guys who pay them to do it, or connive them into it, may use Islam as their excuse (or actually believe the shit they're peddling).

But it seems like in Afghanistan, at least, it's hard to find a real, die-hard terrorist willing to blow himself up.

http://www.jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=263

07/23/2007 - By Brian Glyn Williams (from Terrorism Monitor, July 19) - Suicide bombing statistics from Afghanistan alarmingly demonstrate that, if the current trend continues, 2007 will surpass last year in the number of overall attacks. While there were 47 bombings by mid-June 2006, there have been approximately 57 during the same period this year. Compounding fears of worse carnage to come, Afghanistan's most lethal single suicide bombing attack to date recently took the lives of 35 Afghan police trainers near Kabul. When considering the expanding use of IEDs and the discovery of the first Iraqi-style Explosively Formed Projectile (EFP) in Afghanistan in May (i.e. a more deadly form of IED that has killed high numbers of soldiers in Iraq), it is understandable that critics of the war in Afghanistan discuss it in alarmist tones. Approximately 80% of U.S. casualties in Iraq come from IEDs, and members of the U.S. and Afghan military who were interviewed for this study believed that the absence of mass casualty suicide bombings and EFPs were the two factors that made Afghanistan less dangerous than Iraq. A deeper investigation of the wave of suicide bombings that have swept the country in 2006 and 2007 paints a less bleak picture.

Missing the Target

An analysis of the attacks carried out in the last two years reveals a curious fact. In 43% of the bombings conducted last year and in 26 of the 57 bombings traced in this study up to June 15, the only death caused by the bombing was that of the bomber himself. Astoundingly, approximately 90 suicide bombers in this two year period succeeded in killing only themselves. This number exceeds 100 when you factor in those who succeeded in killing only one person in addition to themselves. There was one period in the spring of 2006 (February 20 to June 21) when a stunning 26 of the 36 suicide bombers in Afghanistan (72%) only killed themselves. This puts the kill average for Afghan suicide bombers far below that of suicide bombers in other theaters of action in the area (Israel, Chechnya, Iraq and the Kurdish areas of Turkey). Such unusual bomber-to-victim death statistics are, of course, heartening for both coalition troops—who have described the Afghan suicide bombers as "amateurs"—and the Afghan people—who are usually the victims of the clumsy bombings.

These statistics also represent a uniquely Afghan phenomenon that warrants investigation. In the first portion of this study, it was demonstrated that a part of the reason for this low kill ratio lies in the Taliban's unique targeting sets (Terrorism Monitor, March 1). As Pashtuns with a strong code (Pashtunwali) that glorifies acts of martial valor and badal (revenge), the Afghan suicide bombers are more prone to hit "hard" military targets than callously obliterate innocent civilians in the Iraqi fashion. On the rare occasions where there have been high casualty bombings of Afghan civilians, they tend to have been carried out by Arab al-Qaeda bombers [1].

The Taliban's selective targeting is a calculated decision on the part of the Taliban shuras (councils) to avoid inciting the sort of anti-Taliban protests that led thousands in the Pashtun town of Spin Boldak to chant "Death to Pakistan, Death to al-Qaeda, Death to the Taliban" following a particularly bloody suicide bombing in that frontier city (BBC News, January 18, 2006). Taliban spokesman Zabiyullah Mujahed recently claimed, "We do our best in our suicide attacks to avoid civilian casualties. These are our Muslim countrymen, and we are sacrificing our blood to gain their freedom. Their lives are important to us, of course. But fighting with explosives is out of the control of human beings." Then he made an interesting admission that speaks to other factors that might explain the Afghan suicide bombers' failure rate. He stated, "We have a problem with making sure they attack the right targets, avoiding killing civilians" (BBC News, June 21).

And it's important to note that while civilians may get killed, they're at least as sensitive as the US military or NATO in terms of having at least a desire to reduce civilian casualties - they realize it's bad form and bad press.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
14-03-2008, 16:56
When they kill, sometimes it's for a sum of money that means a lot there, and would probably not buy much here. Or sometimes, they don't really want to hurt anyone, but want to do it for the money, or "the cause". And sometimes it's the blind, the mentally challenged, and the kids that are sent out.

Sure, the guys who pay them to do it, or connive them into it, may use Islam as their excuse (or actually believe the shit they're peddling).

But it seems like in Afghanistan, at least, it's hard to find a real, die-hard terrorist willing to blow himself up.

http://www.jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=263



And it's important to note that while civilians may get killed, they're at least as sensitive as the US military or NATO in terms of having at least a desire to reduce civilian casualties - they realize it's bad form and bad press.

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20070622ST1AP-IslamAttacks.jpg
Sanmartin
14-03-2008, 17:03
Read the linked article - it's well worth it.
Ordo Drakul
14-03-2008, 17:05
Prior to US occupation, Afghanistan's economy was largely being 85% of Europe's heroin trade. I'd like to see numbers on what we've done for Afghanistan before making a judgement. I already know the morality of the US at war is head and shoulders above the rest of the world.
Sanmartin
14-03-2008, 17:06
Prior to US occupation, Afghanistan's economy was largely being 85% of Europe's heroin trade. I'd like to see numbers on what we've done for Afghanistan before making a judgement. I already know the morality of the US at war is head and shoulders above the rest of the world.

The topic is about the true nature and motivation of suicide bombers in Afghanistan, not passing judgment on the morality of the US.

Please make your own thread.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
14-03-2008, 17:10
Prior to US occupation, Afghanistan's economy was largely being 85% of Europe's heroin trade. I'd like to see numbers on what we've done for Afghanistan before making a judgement. I already know the morality of the US at war is head and shoulders above the rest of the world.

Morality?! The US lacks morality on all fields, specially at war. Come on. People there complain that a rapper has recorded a vulgar song and then, the same people, support a war that has proven devastating to another country. Not to metion the loss of life on the military. Where are their priorities? It's highly stupid.
Aryavartha
14-03-2008, 17:13
I won't be glorifying 'pashtunwali'. The same pashtuns on the other side of Durrand line have become very deadly in suicide bomb attacks taking out dozens at times.

Details
http://www.dawn.com/2008/03/12/top8.htm

Granted, not all could have been pashtuns...some could have been plains people recruited for the 'cause' and some could have been 'foreign fighters' (Arabs, Uzbeks etc)...but IMO, the bulk is from pashtun stock, them being the aggrieved party in this conflict.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
14-03-2008, 17:16
It's interesting, to the world, the terrorists in the Middle East just kill for their Religion and this article proves to the contrary. But it's not odd at all. The Great Interests always influence, even in matters of belief.