NationStates Jolt Archive

The taste of honey was just too tempting for a bear in Macedonia, which repeatedly raided a beekeeper's hives.

Now it has a criminal record after a court found it guilty of theft and criminal damage.

But there was an empty dock in the court in the city of Bitola and no handcuffed bear, which was convicted in its absence.

The case was brought by the exasperated beekeeper after a year of trying vainly to protect his beehives.

Because the animal had no owner and belonged to a protected species, the court ordered the state to pay for the damage to the hives - around $3,500 (£1,750; 2,238 euros).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7295559.stm

Poor Winnie. He does love that honey.

Two things strike me:

1) Who would think to bring criminal charges against an animal? Is he expecting it to pay attention, or the police to come in and read the Riot Act should it reappear?

2) Why is the court actually convicting it, and ordering the state to pay damages?

Maybe we should all start prosecutions. Stung by a wasp? That'll be a £500 government refund. Got a spider 'trespassing' in your house? At least £1,000. And you can sure cash in if you've got hay fever - those pesky plants, attacking you all summer.

Madness.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7295559.stm

Poor Winnie. He does love that honey.

Two things strike me:

1) Who would think to bring criminal charges against an animal? Is he expecting it to pay attention, or the police to come in and read the Riot Act should it reappear?

2) Why is the court actually convicting it, and ordering the state to pay damages?

Maybe we should all start prosecutions. Stung by a wasp? That'll be a £500 government refund. Got a spider 'trespassing' in your house? At least £1,000. And you can sure cash in if you've got hay fever - those pesky plants, attacking you all summer.

Madness.

I suspect #2 is the reason for #1.

As for #2. I suppose the logic is that if it's a state protected bear then the state has responsibility for its actions.

I suspect #2 is the reason for #1.

As for #2. I suppose the logic is that if it's a state protected bear then the state has responsibility for its actions.

So if I go and annoy some swans and they come and attack me, I should be able to sue the state, rather than just accept that I acted like a moron?

So if I go and annoy some swans and they come and attack me, I should be able to sue the state, rather than just accept that I acted like a moron?

Firstly the guy isn't inciting the bear here. But the principle is, if you place your protection over something then you're responsible for its actions. Same as parents with children etc.

That's nothing. Pigs have - historically - been executed for murder...

"In 1266, at Fontenay-aux-Roses, near Paris, a pig convicted of having eaten a child was publicly burned by order of the monks of Sainte Genevieve. In 1394, a pig was found guilty of "having killed and murdered a child in the parish of Roumaygne, in the county of Mortaing, for which deed the said pig was condemned to be haled and hanged by Jehan Petit, lieutenant of the bailiff." Finally, in 1379, three sows from a communal herd at Saint-Marcel-le-Jeussey rushed upon Perrinot Muet, the son of the swine-keeper, throwing him to the ground, fatally injuring him. The entire herd was arrested as accomplices and sentenced by the court to death. But the prior, Friar Humbert de Poutiers, not wanting to endure the loss of the swine, sent a petition to the Duke of Burgundy asking that all of the pigs, save for the three sows, be pardoned. The others were set free, "notwithstanding that they had been present at the death of the said swineherd."

Link (http://pigofknowledge.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html)

Also a monkey was hanged in Hartlepool, England several hundred years ago after it was the only survivor of a ship that crashed nearby. That is why the Football team are known as The Monkey Hangers.

Also a monkey was hanged in Hartlepool, England several hundred years ago after it was the only survivor of a ship that crashed nearby. That is why the Football team are known as The Monkey Hangers.
So it was punishable by death to survive a shipwreck there, it would suck to escape drowning and get ashore only to get hung instead.:eek:

Aggressive dogs being put to death could be viewed as a death penalty on biting even though it is a safety precaution to prevent further attacks.

It kind of makes sense that the state must pay for deciding that the beekeeper is not allowed to protect the hives by shooting the bear.

I think the bees should take the beekeeper to court for stealing their honey.

I think the bees should take the beekeeper to court for stealing their honey.

I for one support this proposal.

Also a monkey was hanged in Hartlepool, England several hundred years ago after it was the only survivor of a ship that crashed nearby. That is why the Football team are known as The Monkey Hangers.

They made up for it by electing one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%27Angus_the_Monkey). Yes, the townspeople of Hartlepool elected a man dressed up as a monkey to the post of town mayor.

So it was punishable by death to survive a shipwreck there, it would suck to escape drowning and get ashore only to get hung instead.:eek:

It was if you were French and this was a French monkey, it surrendered - it was the original French surrender monkey.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7295559.stm

Poor Winnie. He does love that honey.

Two things strike me:

1) Who would think to bring criminal charges against an animal? Is he expecting it to pay attention, or the police to come in and read the Riot Act should it reappear?

2) Why is the court actually convicting it, and ordering the state to pay damages?

Maybe we should all start prosecutions. Stung by a wasp? That'll be a £500 government refund. Got a spider 'trespassing' in your house? At least £1,000. And you can sure cash in if you've got hay fever - those pesky plants, attacking you all summer.

Madness.

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/635/pooh20owned2qm.jpg

It was if you were French and this was a French monkey, it surrendered - it was the original French surrender monkey.

And here is a monkey. Eating some cheese. I'm not sure if it's French, or surrendering though.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8514/monkeycheese5f82310qq5.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=monkeycheese5f82310qq5.jpg)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7295559.stm

Poor Winnie. He does love that honey.

Two things strike me:

1) Who would think to bring criminal charges against an animal? Is he expecting it to pay attention, or the police to come in and read the Riot Act should it reappear?

2) Why is the court actually convicting it, and ordering the state to pay damages?

Maybe we should all start prosecutions. Stung by a wasp? That'll be a £500 government refund. Got a spider 'trespassing' in your house? At least £1,000. And you can sure cash in if you've got hay fever - those pesky plants, attacking you all summer.

Madness.

Yet another reason to dub this age the "age of laughter"

Modern people are a joke ;)

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/635/pooh20owned2qm.jpg

You win the thread and a plate of home made cookies.

Reminds me of my favorite:

http://www.blueridgecountry.com/elephant/elephant.html

:)

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/060417.jpg

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=193

VG Cats is awesome...

So it was punishable by death to survive a shipwreck there, it would suck to escape drowning and get ashore only to get hung instead.:eek:

Aggressive dogs being put to death could be viewed as a death penalty on biting even though it is a safety precaution to prevent further attacks.

It kind of makes sense that the state must pay for deciding that the beekeeper is not allowed to protect the hives by shooting the bear.

The morons accused the monkey of being a French spy. They thought it was a man in a suit.

So if I go and annoy some swans and they come and attack me, I should be able to sue the state, rather than just accept that I acted like a moron?

hell no, the swans can sue YOU for harassment, and if you actually did take THEM to court, they can legit claim self defence and get off the charges

I think the bees should take the beekeeper to court for stealing their honey.

The bees could claim that they work all day for no pay, and that the beekeeper be sentenced for slave labor and have to pay all outstanding wages

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7295559.stm

Poor Winnie. He does love that honey.

Two things strike me:

1) Who would think to bring criminal charges against an animal? Is he expecting it to pay attention, or the police to come in and read the Riot Act should it reappear?

2) Why is the court actually convicting it, and ordering the state to pay damages?

Maybe we should all start prosecutions. Stung by a wasp? That'll be a £500 government refund. Got a spider 'trespassing' in your house? At least £1,000. And you can sure cash in if you've got hay fever - those pesky plants, attacking you all summer.

Madness.

You called?
Ah yes using human laws against an animal, interesting.
I suggest the government finds a way to fund protecting the beekeepers honey, or they stop the bear somehow.
I dunno maybe an electric fence would do the trick, or give the beekeeper training in using a rifle to shoot the bear? mayhaps?
Quite simple really, i think bears should be re-introduced into politician training, then they know what to do should this crisis of events happen again.
(bear training involves the subject annoying the bear then the bear chases them, the subject must use their own initiative to stop the bear and/or escape)
Perfectly reasonable, and it would attract media attention to the said country.

You win the thread and a plate of home made cookies.

Aw, Magdha, you shouldn´t have bothered. Thanks for the cookies.:D

oh fuck I swatted a fly today

*creates web of lies*

oh fuck I swatted a fly today

*creates web of lies*

You murderous bastard! *calls Police and RSPCA.*








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