NationStates Jolt Archive

The title says it all.

Poll coming.

The poll isn't coming fast enough!

And no, I wouldn't sell my vote... unless I knew that the Conservatives fucked themselves so badly that they couldn't even get a minority government.

That's illegal in every functional democract, I think.

That's illegal in every functional democract, I think.

Assume it was legal, then.

Sure, if it paid enough.

yes I would be willing to vote United Russia for money

*goes to buy some varnish*

No, I wouldn't sell my vote. If I seel my vote, I sell my voice.

Absolutely, long as I got to set the price.

That's basically what voting is right now. I set a price, and I vote for the candidate who is willing to meet it. Sometimes we can haggle. If no candidate is willing to meet a fair price for me, I don't vote.

It's just not done with cash.

The title says it all.

Poll coming.

No

This sums up my feelings nicely:
No, I wouldn't sell my vote. If I seel my vote, I sell my voice.

I would take the money but not change my vote. Since votes are private the bribers won't know I scammed them. I have no moral obligation to keep my part of the bargain since bribing me was morally wrong in the first place.

I sell my voice.

I'm sorry you seem to live in an alternate universe where voting for the guys with the blue badges makes a difference from voting for the guys in the red badges :confused:

It's just not done with cash.

the whores party will still win the election though :p

I would take the money but not change my vote. Since votes are private the bribers won't know I scammed them.

you take a picture of your vote form thingy on say your mobile phone and meet a guy later who will then pay you

you take a picture of your vote form thingy on say your mobile phone and meet a guy later who will then pay you
Bummer, then I won't get the money, you're not gullible enough.:(

I'm sorry you seem to live in an alternate universe where voting for the guys with the blue badges makes a difference from voting for the guys in the red badges :confused:

Well, since I don't live in the US where the popular vote means s*it, well, yes, my vote counts.;)

Bummer, then I won't get the money, you're not gullible enough.:(

personally I think political parties should trust me with a ton of money to steal votes for them because I clearly know what I'm doing...

well I'd trust me enough not to run away with all my money ;)

Well, since I don't live in the US where the popular vote means s*it, well, yes, my vote counts.;)

don't lie to me! we all know are European equivalents involve voting for the batshit insane rurals (the conservative movement) or the equally batshit insane social-democratic scandals :p

(well I suppose we could also vote for a bunch of xenophobic skinheads but I can't be arsed with all the violence)

Well, since I don't live in the US where the popular vote means s*it, well, yes, my vote counts.;)

Well, the popular vote only doesn't count for electing the president, all 'lesser' elections are based off the popular vote.

no, period.

don't lie to me! we all know are European equivalents involve voting for the batshit insane rurals (the conservative movement) or the equally batshit insane social-democratic scandals :p

(well I suppose we could also vote for a bunch of xenophobic skinheads but I can't be arsed with all the violence)

Dude, this comment shows just how much you actually know about Europe and it's respective election methods, particularly in Spain, where I live.:rolleyes:
Now, instruct yourself, little man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Spain

Now, instruct yourself, little man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Spain

Interesting

Interesting

Here are some other electoral methods used in England, Italy and Germany.

England:
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/your-area/candidates2007.cfm

Italy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Italy

Germany:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Germany

Dude, this comment shows just how much you actually know about Europe and it's respective election methods, particularly in Spain, where I live.:rolleyes:
Now, instruct yourself, little man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Spain

I'm sorry something very strange just happened...

I just gave you a broad stereotype and you seem to have completely ignored the fact that all political parties are the same corrupt mass of incompetence that follow that if they pull enough of a particular stereotype in they can hold power

actually it seems you seem to be suggesting that (as if by magic) the political parties of Spain don't fit my dandy stereotypes which is odd

I'm sorry something very strange just happened...

I just gave you a broad stereotype and you seem to have completely ignored the fact that all political parties are the same corrupt mass of incompetence that follow that if they pull enough of a particular stereotype in they can hold power

actually it seems you seem to be suggesting that (as if by magic) the political parties of Spain don't fit my dandy stereotypes which is odd

Oh, no, I'm not ignoring that at all. All political parties, world-wide, are a mass of corruption. But whereas that is true, in Spain elections tend to work better than in the US. Can you say the same thing about your country? Because as far as I know, many believe Geroge W. Bush stole the past elections, which, to me, shows that your system completely ignores what the common folk think and focuses more on sectors. Care to discuss this?;)

Oh, no, I'm not ignoring that at all. All political parties, world-wide, are a mass of corruption. But whereas that is true, in Spain elections tend to work better than in the US. Can you say the same thing about your country? Because as far as I know, many believe Geroge W. Bush stole the past elections, which, to me, shows that your system completely ignores what the common folk think and focuses more on sectors. Care to discuss this?;)

You do realise that Call to Power is from the UK right?

Oh, no, I'm not ignoring that at all. All political parties, world-wide, are a mass of corruption. But whereas that is true, in Spain elections tend to work better than in the US. Can you say the same thing about your country? Because as far as I know, many believe Geroge W. Bush stole the past elections, which, to me, shows that your system completely ignores what the common folk think and focuses more on sectors. Care to discuss this?;)

That's only because far too many people in the US have no clue what the actual process of electing the president is.

You do realise that Call to Power is from the UK right?

:eek:
Oh my, I apologize. I seemed to have read that he's from the US.:p

$5 and i will vote anyway you want me to on this poll

:eek:
Oh my, I apologize. I seemed to have read that he's from the US.:p

it was rather fun running with it to be honest...

I was about to bring up WWII or something

Nope, because the Libertarian Party needs every vote it can get.

I would take the money but not change my vote. Since votes are private the bribers won't know I scammed them. I have no moral obligation to keep my part of the bargain since bribing me was morally wrong in the first place.

Ditto! It the only real answer

you take a picture of your vote form thingy on say your mobile phone and meet a guy later who will then pay you[/QUOTE]

got an advence enough mobile to fake pic! and i want a lot of money!

it was rather fun running with it to be honest...

I was about to bring up WWII or something

:D

Nope, because the Libertarian Party needs every vote it can get.

isn't it a bit cruel to get their hopes up though? I mean its all good getting them out of the house every few years but some of them might think they can actually win an election!

plus its privatization in action ;)

got an advence enough mobile to fake pic! and i want a lot of money!

your met shortly before the voting and meet in a car parked nearby, to be honest democracy isn't worth that much effort :p

I'd sell my vote for non-political things (e.g. Big Brother).

I'm such a politics nut I'd probably try and buy votes (are you still allowed to hand out free beer for votes?)

No. Anyone that feels the need to buy my vote can't possibly be using it for good.

Nope. Despite the fact they're already buying votes and elections in all but name and my vote means absolutely nothing anyways, regardless of whether a party ran in my constituency that actually had an ideology I support which isn't the case. We're already in a sham of a democracy and the buck should stop here; in fact it should have stopped a long time ago.

I would not sell my vote, because it is my belief that voting in government elections is morally wrong. As such, though the circumstance of taking the money up front is better than supporting the externalization of costs, I would not do anything that would obligate me to take part in any electoral process.

Absolutely. Anyone who says no hasn't properly examined the marginal value of a single vote.

My marginal value of my single vote is so low that I'd be willing to sell it for almost any sum that covered the time it took me to vote.

I'm from a solidly red state. My vote doesn't matter anyway, so fuck yeah I'll sell it.

If I was offered money to vote for the person I would have voted for anyway, then o course.

Unless it's that person offering me money. Then I'd agree to it, but vote for another guy instead!

My vote might not count for much since I'm an independent voting in a conservative part of the country. However, it is my vote, and I enjoy exercising the right to cast it.

No, because my vote is important to me.


But, if I ever did, I would have to be able to choose who got it. Just to make sure some right wing fuckwit didnt get it.

No i would not sell my vote, to allow another person to take what little power i have, then they could use that vote to bring in some obscure and horrible government that would be even worse than the one i have now.
However if the person had the same political views as me then i make money and i vote for who i want.
So in most cases no.

Yep. I'd sell my vote to anyone and everyone who offered. As many times as I can. Then I'd vote how I want because there's no way they'd know how I voted. :D

Yeah, alright. I'm probably not going to use it in the upcoming elections, so if anyone wants it, fair enough, because the Conservatives are going to win and I honestly couldn't care less, seeing as everyone's policies are about the same now.

I wouldn't sell my vote, but if others wanted to, it would at least be a better alternative than welfare. Plus, ya couldn't get too many votes that way, you'd have to offer a lot of cash!
Yep. I'd sell my vote to anyone and everyone who offered. As many times as I can. Then I'd vote how I want because there's no way they'd know how I voted.
:eek: THIS MAN IS A GENIUS!!!!!

Hell, I GIVE votes away all the time. I give my shareholder proxy to be voted at shareholder meetings for every share of stock I own. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to sell a political vote here and there.

I wouldn't even mind getting a free lunch and a couple beers just to vote the party ticket.

I would take the money but not change my vote. Since votes are private the bribers won't know I scammed them. I have no moral obligation to keep my part of the bargain since bribing me was morally wrong in the first place.
We do that all the time. In fact, we take the money and vote for the person who did not bribe. But here in my poor country where bribery is rife, elections are stolen, and corruption is commonplace, that is highly unlikely, as every candidate bribes almost all :eek: voters.

But we take it not because it is just money, but because we know it is our money, corrupted by those politicians who resort to these means, who were voted by corrupt means in the first place. I personally find it insulting that politicians think they can buy my vote... sure they can buy it but I won't sell it. I also find it disgusting that they take advantage of the poverty of people for their own means of being elected, and then neglecting these poor people and enriching themselves. You know, they seem to want these people to remain poor so they have a steady reliable electorate they can bribe when elections come. But I also fault those who do not think ahead and let their votes be bought; choosing immediate relief with money that will last for only two days, than an honest vote for someone who may be able to lift them up from their plight. Yet trust is slow to pay off; it may not even pay off, and so I understand why people would take the money. But if many people have this attitude, then one should not wonder why this country is a morass in the first place. So to everyone who thinks they would rather sell their vote: think again, lest your country become like ours.

Yes, because under the electoral system I have no idea whether my vote will actually be worth something or the electoral college will just decide to vote how they want.

Hell, I GIVE votes away all the time. I give my shareholder proxy to be voted at shareholder meetings for every share of stock I own. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to sell a political vote here and there.

I wouldn't even mind getting a free lunch and a couple beers just to vote the party ticket.

That just gave me an idea. It would be better (still not morally good or even neutral, but better) if the voting rights to a government were issued like stock instead of being universal. That way we could take account of the present value of the nation instead of politicians selling off their legislative rights to the highest bidder regardless of the actual opportunity costs and long-term effects to the item in question. It most certainly wouldn't be perfect, seeing as how they are still legislating and thus still coercing others out of what belongs to them, but it would certainly get rid of a good deal of expropriation.

Only if (1) it's legalized and (2) my prefered candidate would win anyway.

Everyone would sell it at one point or another. The question isn't "Would you...", it's "How much".

Probably not.

The title says it all.

Poll coming.

It depends on what my vote is for. If I'm voting for best ice cream flavor, or most awesome car ever, then sure (as long as I'm getting some money for it, and the voting is for something trivial). For politics though, probably not.

Only to an Obama voter! :D