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In a lot of videos I see of people getting tased, the cop tells the person to either stand up or put their hands behind their back or else they'll get tased again. In most of those cases, the tased person says "I can't!" Has anyone here been tased? I wonder if electrocution at that level actually makes it impossible to move for minutes on end.

No, I've never been tased. I don't plan to be, either.

In a lot of videos I see of people getting tased, the cop tells the person to either stand up or put their hands behind their back or else they'll get tased again. In most of those cases, the tased person says "I can't!" Has anyone here been tased? I wonder if electrocution at that level actually makes it impossible to move for minutes on end.


Ive been tased once, voluntarially, for a demonstration. Its the weirdest feeling ever. And it does make movement hard.

A friend of mine was tased for being an idiot, and he couldnt move.

inb4 "Don't tase me, bro!"


That said, I really don't like the idea of tasers. :\

I watched someone get tased on a plane. It was obviously the first time for real for the security guy and I think he had the settings to high - anyway, upshot is that the tasee dropped to the ground for a fair bit, clearly unable to do much, and was shaking throughout the rest of the flight.

In a lot of videos I see of people getting tased, the cop tells the person to either stand up or put their hands behind their back or else they'll get tased again. In most of those cases, the tased person says "I can't!" Has anyone here been tased? I wonder if electrocution at that level actually makes it impossible to move for minutes on end.

I've been tased. Yes, you can move. But considering how your muscles feel, you're not sure you should. Kind of like when you've just been through a particularly brutal tackle, you want to move gingerly. Of course, anyone with any degree of fitness and experience can override that. But to not move at all? There's no motivation to.

Besides, I like to watch them twitch. :)

i'd rather be tasered then shot with a 45 or 357. the cost of repairative surgery alone. but i do also believe they and the manufacturers need to stop trying to pretend that they are totally safe and harmless. if only because nothing ever is nor can be, totally safe and harmless.

it is a reality though that sometimes a person needs to be stopped who otherwise won't or can't. and equally a reality the whatever manor in which they are is a mater of human judgement which is always fallable and imperfect.

no a taser isn't perfectly safe, but the odds of survival are very good, and cheaper then surgery to repair or replace a gunshot injured limb.

so the context and the total picture is important. as is the honesty to admit there is some real measurable risk involved.

=^^=
.../\...

i'd rather be tasered then shot with a 45 or 357. the cost of repairative surgery alone. but i do also believe they and the manufacturers need to stop trying to pretend that they are totally safe and harmless. if only because nothing ever is nor can be, totally safe and harmless.

it is a reality though that sometimes a person needs to be stopped who otherwise won't or can't. and equally a reality the whatever manor in which they are is a mater of human judgement which is always fallable and imperfect.

no a taser isn't perfectly safe, but the odds of survival are very good, and cheaper then surgery to repair or replace a gunshot injured limb.

so the context and the total picture is important. as is the honesty to admit there is some real measurable risk involved.

=^^=
.../\...


I also don't recommend getting hit with a truncheon.

LG uses a taser instead of coffee in the morning.

Bzzt...'Honey I'm awake!'

:eek:

Never leave home without a faraday cage, wear a suit of armour. Let's see them try and taser you then.

Never leave home without a faraday cage, wear a suit of armour. Let's see them try and taser you then.

Traditionally, suits of steel armor tended to have parts which touched flesh, though most of it was padded so...


Besides, I like to watch them twitch.


LG, you make some people twitch just by walking by.

Traditionally, suits of steel armor tended to have parts which touched flesh, though most of it was padded so...

No, all of it was supposed to be padded. But it wouldn't matter anyway becuase:

A: You're grounded.
B: The taser probes wouldn't stick to steel plate.
C: If the did somehow stick, the electricity would just travel through the metal between each other (shortest distance, least resistance)

Personally, when I'm about to get tased, I put on my handy dandy Mark VI MJOLNIR armor. Tends to stop the taser pretty well.

Just be REALLY picky, but most of the armour that I've come across as a medieval reenactor isn't plated - you wear seperate padded clothing underneath.

Pedantic Man - awaaaay! :p

It really doesn't feel like being shocked. It feels more like you're being pinched really hard at each of the places where the probes are touching you. But as long as the cop isn't being brutal and holding down the trigger for a long time, one should be able to move the limbs. And believe me, if you could avoid being tasered again, you would do what you can to avoid it.:rolleyes:

A friend of mine was tased for being an idiot, and he couldnt move.
being an idiot is a crime where you live?
I don't know whether to be shocked or impressed. Just think how much easier life would be idiocy was punishable by tasering.

As for cops with tasers, it does appear that they're using them more than is necessary.
i.e.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8529728

But then there are more cops now with them, so obviously there'll be more incidents. And given the choice between facing a dumb, pumped-up cop with a gun and a dumb, pumped-up cop with a taser, I know which one I'd choose.

I watched someone get tased on a plane. It was obviously the first time for real for the security guy and I think he had the settings to high - anyway, upshot is that the tasee dropped to the ground for a fair bit, clearly unable to do much, and was shaking throughout the rest of the flight.

For the official Taser model, there isn't a setting for intensity.

Police/security models have a 6-second "ride". Pull the trigger, and the person gets 6 seconds.

The civilian models are the same intensity, and have a 20 second ride. The idea is that you shoot the bad guy with the taser (ostensibly in self-defense), and you drop the taser (which continues to stun the bad guy) and run away.

Most of the civilian models are one-shot - the police models can shoot up to six different targets, and re-shock anyone still attached.

In a lot of videos I see of people getting tased, the cop tells the person to either stand up or put their hands behind their back or else they'll get tased again. In most of those cases, the tased person says "I can't!" Has anyone here been tased? I wonder if electrocution at that level actually makes it impossible to move for minutes on end.

*tases Zer0*


Get up or I'll tase you again!

being an idiot is a crime where you live?
I don't know whether to be shocked or impressed. Just think how much easier life would be idiocy was punishable by tasering.

Obviously not, or KoL would be in jail...
;)

A friend of mine was tased for being an idiot, and he couldnt move.

I for one welcome whatever new legislation has outlawed idiocy. Can citizens tase passing idiots or are there special idiot police?

I for one welcome whatever new legislation has outlawed idiocy. Can citizens tase passing idiots or are there special idiot police?

Let's put it this way.

When two people armed with Tasers and guns tell you to put your hands behind your back, and they have permission to tase people who don't comply with instructions, the person who doesn't comply is an idiot.

There are enough idiots to make Taser a successful corporation.

Never been tased.

Personally, I think that tasers are no more dangerous than fists. Yeah, you can die if you get tased repeatedly. You can also die if you get hit repeatedly.

tasers are a much safer method of stopping someone from doing something they shouldn't be doing. but yet there is still a group against them.

i think if the police were able to stop people by giving them flowers, people would still be against that.

yes there is some abuse, but being shot by a taser is a whole lot better then being shot by a pistol. if it turns out you are innocent after being shot with a taser you can still go on with all your limbs and vital organs.

tasers are a much safer method of stopping someone from doing something they shouldn't be doing. Safer than what?
Asking them? Shooting them? Throwing pillows at them? Pepper spray? Flashing your boobs (if you have them)? Dropping a nuke on then? Pieing them in the face? What are we comparing with here?

its an extreme form of those muscle toners really and to be honest enough people naturally select themselves with electricals anyway :p

Safer than what?
Asking them? Shooting them? Throwing pillows at them? Pepper spray? Flashing your boobs (if you have them)? Dropping a nuke on then? Pieing them in the face? What are we comparing with here?

I'm pretty sure S5 meant safer than shooting them.

I'm pretty sure S5 meant safer than shooting them.

although i do like the flashing boobs at them. if attractive female cops tried stopping crime that way, I am sure the crime rate would be on the rise

yes, i was talking about shooting them.

although i do like the flashing boobs at them. if attractive female cops...

That could be more dangerous...
*Attractive, well endowed female cop flashes her boobs to make a traffic stop*
*causes major accident*

tasers are a much safer method of stopping someone from doing something they shouldn't be doing. but yet there is still a group against them.

i think if the police were able to stop people by giving them flowers, people would still be against that.

yes there is some abuse, but being shot by a taser is a whole lot better then being shot by a pistol. if it turns out you are innocent after being shot with a taser you can still go on with all your limbs and vital organs.

It's also safer than police beating you with clubs, and safer than police wrestling with you to get you to comply (people die in those struggles too).

The statistics show it's the safest method of gaining compliance, short of the subject actually complying first.

being an idiot is a crime where you live?
I don't know whether to be shocked or impressed. Just think how much easier life would be idiocy was punishable by tasering.


I should have clarified. He was drunk and punched a cop. Her partner tased him.

Obviously not, or KoL would be in jail...
;)


Oh no you di-dnt!


To be honost, the thought of reporting you just to be a prick and then going LAWL! whent the Mod showed up did cross my mind...but I decided that might be going too far:p

Oh no you di-dnt!


To be honost, the thought of reporting you just to be a prick and then going LAWL! whent the Mod showed up did cross my mind...but I decided that might be going too far:p

Idiot! :mad:

j/k I couldn't resist :D

That could be more dangerous...
*Attractive, well endowed female cop flashes her boobs to make a traffic stop*
*causes major accident*
you mean like this:
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=bnyKKQaTl1I

or this:
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=qF5Zpl86RdI

In a lot of videos I see of people getting tased, the cop tells the person to either stand up or put their hands behind their back or else they'll get tased again. In most of those cases, the tased person says "I can't!" Has anyone here been tased? I wonder if electrocution at that level actually makes it impossible to move for minutes on end.
I think cops think its a device that lets them keep you immobilized only when they want you immobilized. Suddenly, when they want you to move, you're expected to. Also by the time a taser is used, there are already 5 cops on you and it's hard to move really.

you mean like this:
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=bnyKKQaTl1I

or this:
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=qF5Zpl86RdI

Crying with laughter over the first one.

you mean like this:
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=bnyKKQaTl1I

or this:
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=qF5Zpl86RdI

Yes, exactly

I am not black so my answer is no.

I am not black so my answer is no.

:rolleyes:

i'd rather be tasered then shot with a 45 or 357. the cost of repairative surgery alone.
qft

anyway: most of the taserings i've seen on tv show the policemen ordering someone to stop, the guy stopping and putting his hands up, and only then the policemen firing the taser at him. i'd call this police brutality - use of unnecessary violence.

qft

anyway: most of the taserings i've seen on tv show the policemen ordering someone to stop, the guy stopping and putting his hands up, and only then the policemen firing the taser at him. i'd call this police brutality - use of unnecessary violence.

Most of the taserings I've seen on TV show the policemen ordering someone to show their hands, or to put their hands behind their back. In fact, I can't remember seeing one where the person was not given a lawful order first, and then demonstrated non-compliance with the lawful order.

There is non-compliance, and after another request or two, the person gets tasered.

All that is required is non-compliance. Once. It's an approved and legal method of enforcing compliance with a legal request.

i'd rather be tasered then shot with a 45 or 357. the cost of repairative surgery alone.

Just as a note, not that it affects your statement at all, but most police in the U.S. use pistols which are either 9mm or .38 Special...

Just as a note, not that it affects your statement at all, but most police in the U.S. use pistols which are either 9mm or .38 Special...

9mm or 40 S&W caliber, actually. The 38 Special is fairly rare nowadays, except as a detective's gun (even that is becoming rare) or a backup piece.

9mm or 40 S&W caliber, actually. The 38 Special is fairly rare nowadays, except as a detective's gun (even that is becoming rare) or a backup piece.

I stand corrected on my correction.

i'd rather be tasered then shot with a 45 or 357. the cost of repairative surgery alone.

qft

anyway: most of the taserings i've seen on tv show the policemen ordering someone to stop, the guy stopping and putting his hands up, and only then the policemen firing the taser at him. i'd call this police brutality - use of unnecessary violence.

I think the comparison between guns and TASERs is part of the problem. Cops are not supposed to use their guns to get people to follow their orders; they're supposed to use them where their lives or the lives of other people are threatened. And as I understand how cops use their guns, ideally, they escalate the threat to use force in stages -- put hand on gun, draw gun, point gun at suspect, shoot suspect.

Like Risottia says, cops seem to have itchier trigger fingers when it comes to TASERs. Maybe it's just that the videos that I see are the exceptions, and most cops are disciplined when using TASERs, but it seems like a lot of exceptions.

I think the comparison between guns and TASERs is part of the problem. Cops are not supposed to use their guns to get people to follow their orders; they're supposed to use them where their lives or the lives of other people are threatened. And as I understand how cops use their guns, ideally, they escalate the threat to use force in stages -- put hand on gun, draw gun, point gun at suspect, shoot suspect.

Like Risottia says, cops seem to have itchier trigger fingers when it comes to TASERs. Maybe it's just that the videos that I see are the exceptions, and most cops are disciplined when using TASERs, but it seems like a lot of exceptions.

The Taser is not used for self-defense in situations where the other person is armed with a lethal weapon, although within range, it can be used for that purpose.

The Taser is supposed to be used for ensuring compliance with legal and lawful orders by a policeman.

In the same situations where pepper spray might be used to enforce compliance, or other less-than-lethal force, such as a baton, or outright wrestling with a suspect, the Taser is preferably to gain compliance.

It has its faults, yes. It's painful, yes. But too many studies now show that it's safer than pepper spray. Much safer than wrestling the suspect (wrestling the subject causes most of the deaths and injury in police custody).

The studies have forced police departments in the US to use the Taser almost exclusively to gain compliance, because of the threat of lawsuits for using other methods. While there are Taser lawsuits, none compare to the ones for alternative methods of gaining compliance.

Already, the Taser is used ten times as often as pepper spray.

I think the comparison between guns and TASERs is part of the problem. Cops are not supposed to use their guns to get people to follow their orders; they're supposed to use them where their lives or the lives of other people are threatened. And as I understand how cops use their guns, ideally, they escalate the threat to use force in stages -- put hand on gun, draw gun, point gun at suspect, shoot suspect.

Like Risottia says, cops seem to have itchier trigger fingers when it comes to TASERs. Maybe it's just that the videos that I see are the exceptions, and most cops are disciplined when using TASERs, but it seems like a lot of exceptions.

Actually you have to have a level of escalation. Verbal command, taser (from up to 10-12 feet away), OC spray (up close), baton (very up close and personal) and firearm if your life or another life is in imminent danger.

Officers are not taught to put hand on gun and give the command. If they feel the need to draw, they will.

Of course, I rather be tased than OC'd. That damned pepper spray will hurt for up to 30 minutes, whereas the tase is only for a few seconds.

Also, the tasers have a safety system which cannot be overriden. Once they pull the trigger, it will deliver the same shock even if you keep the trigger pulled. They have to let go of the trigger so it can reset. The taser is also a one shot deal. Once the prongs are deployed, they have to change the cartridge. However, if you remove the dart cartridge, it becomes a stun gun.

Either way, I prefer the shock to the spray or the bullet.

I guess tasers are probably good to use. But every officer should be tased once as part of their training, to give them an idea of the power they're dealing with.

I guess tasers are probably good to use. But every officer should be tased once as part of their training, to give them an idea of the power they're dealing with.

I agree. If you don't understand that kind of pain, you shouldn't be dishing it out. I've been tased and it hurt ALOT. (My dad is a cop and I asked him on take your child to work day)

I guess tasers are probably good to use. But every officer should be tased once as part of their training, to give them an idea of the power they're dealing with.

Actually, in North Carolina, they have to get tased as part of their training, so that they will know how it feels. That is a requirement before they are allowed to use it. They also have to get sprayed with the OC pepper spray during their initial training, before it is issued to them.

And as someone posted earlier, no type of force will ever be 100% safe. But so far, there has not been any deaths directly related to the use of a taser or the OC spray. The autopsy results (which are always released about a month after the news reports the suspect dying after being tased) have shown that they had died from other causes; usually cardiac failure due to long term narcotics.

as a wearer of armor (for my 'hobby')
No, all of it was supposed to be padded. But it wouldn't matter anyway becuase:note the key word... 'supposed'. not always.

A: You're grounded. while technically yes, you can still be shocked by the current arching off of the metal. and since most armor isn't one piece of metal...
B: The taser probes wouldn't stick to steel plate. err... joints, connection points... and not all armor is steel plating. chainmail, ringmail, scale mail...
also, if they shoot at your chest (center of mass) there is a chance that the barbs would richochette up into your face (the underside of a full plate helmet is not covered) delivering the charge that much closer to your brain.
C: If the did somehow stick, the electricity would just travel through the metal between each other (shortest distance, least resistance)and if any part of your body is touching that metal...

Personally, when I'm about to get tased, I put on my handy dandy Mark VI MJOLNIR armor. Tends to stop the taser pretty well.imagines FBP to Police Officer.
FBP: "Wait... before you tase me... let me just slip into this..."
PO: ... "hurry up will ya! gotta get back to the office to write up the report for this..."
:p

In a lot of videos I see of people getting tased, the cop tells the person to either stand up or put their hands behind their back or else they'll get tased again. In most of those cases, the tased person says "I can't!" Has anyone here been tased? I wonder if electrocution at that level actually makes it impossible to move for minutes on end. depends on the person really. some go limp, thus can't do it themselves, others lock up thus cannot move and the officers cannot move them...

That could be more dangerous...
*Attractive, well endowed female cop flashes her boobs to make a traffic stop*
*causes major accident*
... but the traffic stopped... :D

Actually, in North Carolina, they have to get tased as part of their training, so that they will know how it feels. That is a requirement before they are allowed to use it. They also have to get sprayed with the OC pepper spray during their initial training, before it is issued to them.
they did a reality show called 'Armed and Famous' where some celebrities went through police training. one called for them to be tasered before they could be licenced to use a taser.

of all the celebrities like Erik Estrada (CHiPs), Jack Osborne (The Osbornes), LaToya Jackson, etc...

only Wrester Trish Stratus volunteered to be shot with the taser (as opposed to having the wires clipped on) and she made no sound other than a grunt as the current went through her.

... but the traffic stopped... :D

True. ;)

i'd rather be tasered then shot with a 45 or 357. the cost of repairative surgery alone. but i do also believe they and the manufacturers need to stop trying to pretend that they are totally safe and harmless. if only because nothing ever is nor can be, totally safe and harmless.

it is a reality though that sometimes a person needs to be stopped who otherwise won't or can't. and equally a reality the whatever manor in which they are is a mater of human judgement which is always fallable and imperfect.

no a taser isn't perfectly safe, but the odds of survival are very good, and cheaper then surgery to repair or replace a gunshot injured limb.

so the context and the total picture is important. as is the honesty to admit there is some real measurable risk involved.

=^^=
.../\...

A taser is a save alternative to a shotgun or a glock.

It's not a safe alternative to a pair of police officers going to the trouble of restraining someone or actually talking to someone who's gotten overly emotional rather than pulling out a taser because it involves less effort than actually doing something reasonable.

Like the guy who was asking Kerry questions. If the security guards didn't have tasers on them, would they have had grounds to shoot him?

I have been tased there was some joint training between the fire department and the police department and we had the opportunity to help with their training (we mostly provided emergency support incase something went wrong for that session) But I had the opportunity to have it deployed against me for training purposes

It sucks
It hurts

But as soon as the jolt was done while I did not feel like getting up it was not a problem moving my arms afterwards

Actually, in North Carolina, they have to get tased as part of their training, so that they will know how it feels. That is a requirement before they are allowed to use it. They also have to get sprayed with the OC pepper spray during their initial training, before it is issued to them.

And as someone posted earlier, no type of force will ever be 100% safe. But so far, there has not been any deaths directly related to the use of a taser or the OC spray. The autopsy results (which are always released about a month after the news reports the suspect dying after being tased) have shown that they had died from other causes; usually cardiac failure due to long term narcotics.

It is the same in Minnesota